::::[[WP:FFD]] instructions are clear - "Give due notice. Inform the uploader by adding a message to their talk page using <nowiki>{{subst:fdw|File_name.ext}}</nowiki> Remember to replace "File_name.ext" with the name of the image or media" - am I missing something? [[User:Exxolon|Exxolon]] ([[User talk:Exxolon|talk]]) 21:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::::[[WP:FFD]] instructions are clear - "Give due notice. Inform the uploader by adding a message to their talk page using <nowiki>{{subst:fdw|File_name.ext}}</nowiki> Remember to replace "File_name.ext" with the name of the image or media" - am I missing something? [[User:Exxolon|Exxolon]] ([[User talk:Exxolon|talk]]) 21:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Are you missing something? Yes. You're missing the fact that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_June_3&diff=365982951&oldid=365982648 it's not mandatory] – hence why notification in [[WP:TW|Twinkle]] is controlled by a checkbox set to 'no' by default. <font color="#A20846">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">sheriff</span>]]─╢</font> 21:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Are you missing something? Yes. You're missing the fact that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_June_3&diff=365982951&oldid=365982648 it's not mandatory] – hence why notification in [[WP:TW|Twinkle]] is controlled by a checkbox set to 'no' by default. <font color="#A20846">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">sheriff</span>]]─╢</font> 21:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well erm.. it is mandatory, unless you think that [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion|Step 3]] is just there as a joke. [[User:Bob House 884|Bob House 884]] ([[User talk:Bob House 884|talk]]) 13:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
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this little tidbit was totally over the line TT. You should redact the statement, and issue an apology if you wanted to be mature about it. Let me be blunt: your recent actions at NYB's talk page, the AfD, and now at the AN/I thread have been unacceptable. If you continue along these lines, I consider it likely that you will find yourself on the outside looking in. Allow me to be perfectly clear. As much as we value tenured and prolific contributors, there are still policies and guidelines that must be followed. The behavior you've been displaying lately has been childish, immature, and against our founding principles here. Should I see anymore of your efforts that breach the WP:HARASS, WP:HOUND (yes, I know those two are parts of the same policy), WP:NPA or even the WP:CIVIL rules we have in place, I will not hesitate for a second to block you. Given past history you've built up here, it's likely the time will not be measured in hours. You really let me down TT. To be honest, I'm disappointed not only in you, but in myself, for not taking a firmer hand at the offset of this entire debacle. You really need to rethink your efforts here TT. — Ched : ? 05:46, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To emphasize this -
Our community tolerance for grave dancing and driving other contributors away is very low, or none.
You're pushing buttons that don't have any margin left. I appreciate all your contributions and your interest in the encyclopedia, but they won't save you should you continue on this path.
I'm not entirely clear where NYB comes into this at all, but I can only reiterate what I said above – in responding to idiotic drivel of the "Keep, they're part of this season's MythArc" sort, plus baseless whinging, forum-shopping and borderline false/baseless allegations of the variety that Hyperdoctor Whatsit cooked up, yes, I may have slightly crossed a line. I'm not going to go and dig up edits from tens of other contributors showing that they have done things far worse and got away scot free, because I know that's not quite the point, but I do think that you should both carefully consider whether I am being treated as would anybody else, or whether I am being in any way singled out. In particular, the phrase, "Our community tolerance for grave dancing and driving other contributors away is very low, or none," gave me pause for thought. I'm not going to name names here, because I expect you know exactly who I mean, but if not, feel free to email me. The point is, as much for your own benefit as for mine, you need to be certain that you are not doling out the wiki equivalent of cruel and unusual punishments here. ╟─TreasuryTag►sheriff─╢ 08:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
About the above section
Hi, I don't want to add this comment above because I'm not an admin and I don't want to misrepresent anyone. But, I'd like to point out that you're still missing the point. It's your response that matters. This is not about what others have said to you, and I think the community would benefit if everyone was more "understanding and non-retaliatory in dealing with incivility" (WP:CIVIL). You're a great editor. You've been here for over four years and I respect you highly for that. (You're constantly changing signature is quite unique, too, I might add.) However, I feel that you are still responsible for respecting those around you. After all, Wikipedia is a community and an encyclopedia, and we need both for the project to run smoothly. Guoguo12--Talk-- 22:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Deskana
Please watch your tone. Posts like this are not helpful, are unnecessarily aggrivating to the person they're directed at, and violate our policy on civility. Thank you. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 08:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, I think it was a potentially useful observation for HalfShadow (talk· contribs), who seems to assume that because a lot of his contributions are challenged, that's an attack on him, and inevitable on Wikipedia, and I wanted to point out that it is perfectly possible (indeed easy) to go through Wikipedia and not have your edits undone and your images deleted. I'm happy to consider any alternative wording you may suggest? ╟─TreasuryTag►constabulary─╢ 09:00, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In that case it would have been better for you to say nothing at all. If he already thinks you are targeting him, then he's not going to be reassured by you leaving a message like that, is he? Would you be? I wouldn't. Anyway, you are of course free to ignore my warning, but don't be surprised if you end up getting blocked by me for being uncivil in the future. Also note that I have warned HalfShadow for making similarly uncivil comments towards you. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 09:03, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I saw your warning to him for his (much more brazenly uncivil) comment, and thanks for that. I don't doubt at all that you're being fair and even-handed, I just doubt your judgement in suggsting that my comment was inadvisable. It's very easy for HalfShadow to blame the system when people try to delete his contributions, and I thought and think that it could be beneficial for him to understand that it's not like that at all. ╟─TreasuryTag►directorate─╢ 09:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, what's your opinion on gloats such as this which contribute nothing to the deletion discussion at hand? ╟─TreasuryTag►Counsellor of State─╢ 09:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't read as gloating, to me. Cas is pointing out, quite correctly, that everyone disagrees with you. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 09:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm aware of what he was pointing out. A lifetime of speaking English did rather aid me in ascertaining that. You are presumably familiar with what the word 'gloating' means: it involves "exhibiting a conspicuous sense of self-satisfaction, often at an adversary's misfortune." It necessarily involves something which is correct at its heart. My problem is, I'm puzzled about Cas' motive in typing that comment there at that time. Did it serve any purpose other than being a synonym for, "Ner ner ner ner, I'm winning," – if so, what? ╟─TreasuryTag►quaestor─╢ 09:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you're going to take that tone with me as well, then I'm afraid I'm not going to reply any further to this discussion. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 09:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Or, "That's a good question which I'm afraid I can't answer without admitting to something I've just denied," as people used to say? ╟─TreasuryTag►pikuach nefesh─╢ 09:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(yeah, that was going a little off topic over there on the ol' deletion page so I'll drop a note here, right after this nice discussion...oh look my ears were burning) I am not intolerant just making some observations - but seriously, you do have a way with words and it'd be a great asset to have other editors that can spruce up some prose a smidgen here and there. Okay, look I'll be serious now - you wanna write a Good or Featured Article, drop me a line and I'll be glad to help. Truly. I think you could do it quite readily. Otherwise, whatever, I'll be off now. Casliber (talk· contribs) 12:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't mind if you were more help.
Instead of just flat-out tagging something for deletion, see if it's possible to work with what's there, or at least give me a better idea of how to clean it up myself instead of telling me I've done it wrong, it's going to be deleted unless I fix it and then tossing acronyms at me. Help me out here; I'm doing the best I can. HalfShadow 17:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from the fact that I don't think you're doing the best you can (if I can manage to properly tag images then so can you, you seem perfectly intelligent to me), I am really not inclined to spend my time fixing other people's mistakes, especially where they're lazy copy-paste errors, and particularly given the sensitivity of copyright issues. It is your job, not mine to ensure that the image has a proper fair-use rationale for every page it appears on. If you spent fifteen minutes reading the relevant pages through – WP:NFC, WP:NFCC and WP:FUR – then I can't imagine that you'd have any difficulty in future. ╟─TreasuryTag►duumvirate─╢ 17:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, my skills appear to be more along the lines of vandal-chasing and info-updating. Hell, I can revert vandalism so fast some people think I'm a bot, and I love tidying up articles if I can. Everyone has at least one thing they're no good at, I guess this is mine. I'm the kind of guy who goes over or through something instead of just around it. I remember the older system being significantly simpler... HalfShadow 17:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well dare I suggest that if there's something you're not so good at, you either put some effort in trying to improve, or just stick to doing other things? I really can't play the piano. I've had lessons, I gave it time, but I just couldn't. So now I play the clarinet to a high standard, and everyone's happy. And did the "older system" involve quill pens by any chance? ;) ╟─TreasuryTag►pikuach nefesh─╢ 17:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really remember it that well, just that it was a lot less...detailed then this one. I prefer doing the other things myself, but I saw a page (pages now, I guess) that was just shouting for a picture, so I tried my hand. I'm not really bothered, as such, the vast majority of my time here is spent keeping the place clean and making articles better than they were anyway and I like doing it. How about we come to a compromise? The FUR for the image as used in Silence (Doctor Who) is apparently okay, right? Given that there's a moderate chance the page will probably be reverted to a redirect, that means the image will be deleted seven days later. I'll go to the AfD page and agree that currently there isn't enough info for a full page. Assuming the FUR is okay (I freely admit it may not be), I could download the image to my desktop and copy/paste the FUR, I could then re-upload it when and if an "official" page is made, assuming someone else hasn't already. HalfShadow 18:00, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure it's appropriate to bargain for your co-operation in an ongoing AfD, but your proposal does sound not bad :) ╟─TreasuryTag►co-prince─╢ 18:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, don't look at it like that. It's just it's getting kind of ugly out there, and as for the AfD, I wouldn't have bothered suggesting one way or the other anyway (by definition, I'm going to see things my way. Anyone would.). I was just hoping to defuse the situation, assuming that's possible at this point. Normally, I would have just waited to see what the outcome was anyway. HalfShadow 18:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah well...Can't say I didn't try. HalfShadow 19:00, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed not... ╟─TreasuryTag►condominium─╢ 19:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Explanation?
Please explain why you again failed to notify me of your attempt to get File:Vampire-queen.jpg deleted. Exxolon (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Last I heard it was not a requirement to notify the uploader, hence why notification in Twinkle is controlled by a checkbox set to 'no' by default. ╟─TreasuryTag►Africa, Asia and the UN─╢ 21:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, though, what you've linked to also says "...it is strongly encouraged and also very helpful..." Just sayin'. HalfShadow 21:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had noticed that :) However, the question I was given above was very specific. And for what it's worth, I've asked three very specific questions of Exxolon on the FFD page for the image. ╟─TreasuryTag►condominium─╢ 21:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FFD instructions are clear - "Give due notice. Inform the uploader by adding a message to their talk page using {{subst:fdw|File_name.ext}} Remember to replace "File_name.ext" with the name of the image or media" - am I missing something? Exxolon (talk) 21:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are you missing something? Yes. You're missing the fact that it's not mandatory – hence why notification in Twinkle is controlled by a checkbox set to 'no' by default. ╟─TreasuryTag►sheriff─╢ 21:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well erm.. it is mandatory, unless you think that Step 3 is just there as a joke. Bob House 884 (talk) 13:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]