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== UTRS Account Request == |
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I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. <!-- Please sign with THREE tildes (~~~), NOT four. This avoids archive bots archiving this message before your account gets approved. --> v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] |
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== Advice needed == |
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Tom, I think you are a fair and open minded guy, I suppose Magog is also but he seems pissed at me :o) I would like your advice, once again TG has edit warred unsourced content into an article, I am at a loss over what can be done. Is it best just to leave him to it? I do not want another block over this guys actions, but the fact that he just keeps doing this is insane, why does nobody tell him to stop? [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 17:54, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:DS - I'm having a hard time trying to find the right way to say this, so I'll just say it procedurally. The steps to dispute resolutions are so: |
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# Discuss with the user |
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# Invite a third party for a neutral opinion |
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# Discuss the issue on a relevant noticeboard (ANEW, NPOV, ANI, 3O) |
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# Try an [[WP:RFC]] |
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# Take the issue to dispute resolution |
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# Ask for [[WP:MEDCAB]] (Requires voluntary participation by both sides) |
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# Start an [[WP:RFC/U]] |
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# [[WP:ARBCOM]] |
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:I think you know what I'm trying to say without taking a position here. Determine what levels you've tried, and elevate to the next level.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 18:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::Thanks Tom, I discovered a new notice board which I hope will do the job. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard] I never knew it existed ) I have no wish to drop anyone in the poop, nor get anyone blocked so I'll hope for the best on the notice board, cheers. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 18:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::On another note, have you considered apologizing to Magog for being the huge pains in the butt that you, JCAla, and TopGun have been ;) Maybe you guys can open a new dialogue on better terms. Just saying.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 02:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== Hatting == |
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Hi TParis, would you mind looking again at where you hatted the Fae RFC? Currently you've left four lines unhatted at the beginning that names certain editors such as myself. Would you mind revisiting it to include the bit which lists us in your hatted section. Thanks ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers''</span> 23:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:I actually didn't miss them, they were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/F%C3%A6&diff=475840888&oldid=475840523 added] after the hat. I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/F%C3%A6&diff=475847714&oldid=475847573 fixed] it.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 23:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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I just figure I should let you know: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_comment%2FF%C3%A6&action=historysubmit&diff=475847986&oldid=475847714]. By the way, I heartily agree with you about the hatting. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:TP, your hatting wasn't honest. In your hatting statment, you gave your own, pejorative opinion of what it contained. In order to equally rebut your opinion, I have summarize what is contained within the hat. Now, perhaps you could place a more neutral, true title to the hat, such, "Discussion hatted because I don't agree with what it contains and I'm an admin." If not, then I suggest you discontinue trying to win your argument with me, because both of us have equal claim to what we believe to be the truth. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::You'll be hard pressed to prove I have any sort of bias in this matter. I'm as honest as it gets. My opinion is that you've engaged in personal attacks. As you surely know, you have no rights here except the right to leave. I suggest ''you'' discontinue trying to reinsert the material. I'm acting in an unbiased administrative capacity only here.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 00:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::You took a side and gave an opinion. You're ''previously uninvolved'', but you aren't neutral. Did you read every single one of the diffs contained in that section? [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, every single one; even the long ones. Also, please read [[WP:INVOLVED]]: ''"...an administrator who has interacted with an ...topic area purely in an administrative role...is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that...topic area"''. Having acted in an administrative capacity does not make me involved or on a "side". I don't take sides.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 00:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::You took a side in your hatting summary. Talk pages are for editors to give an opinion. I gave mine, then you hatted my opinion to hide it and gave your opinion as to why, and gave your authority as an admin as justification for your right to do so. You said that me saying that those editors had engaged in personal attacks was itself a personal attack. Thus, we're making the same argument. You go one step further and say that your argument wins because you are a "neutral" admin. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::As I said on your talk page, you can take the issue to [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]] if you wish to try to find a consensus that I was wrong. Having an opinion doesn't constitute a 'side'. I'm sure my editing history has known I don't align to 'sides'. I say what I think and do what I think is right and I work with others despite their 'sides'.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 00:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::::The two "sides" here are me and you. You disagree with me and I disagree with you. The difference is that you use your assumed perogative as an admin to impose your will on me. I can say on a talk page if I think someone has violated [[WP:NPA]]. I can summarize what is contained inside a hatted discussion. What you do from there is up to you, but if you are bound and determined to win your side of the argument, then you are the one who can win by utilizing that "block account" feature, while telling yourself that you are doing so as a neutral admin. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::::Again, you must not understand [[WP:INVOLVED]]. I do not ''become involved'' by enforcing [[WP:NPA]]. If you disagree, you are welcome to ask [[WP:AN]]. There are no sides between me and you. There is you, and there is [[WP:NPA]]. It's not a personal argument between us, and it won't be despite your attempts to get me to make it one. I've not threatened to block you, I specifically said I did not intend to. Again, feel free to seek wider review at [[WP:AN]].--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 00:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::::::TParis, this is getting really stupid - he's done it again, in bold this time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/F%C3%A6&curid=34522911&diff=475855807&oldid=475854913#Discussion_Re_above_allegations] Could you please deal with this once and for all? I don't appreciate this individual making false claims. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 00:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::::For what it's worth Cla, I took the case to ANI because your edits did not represent NPA/Civil violations and were in fact incivil with the attempt to still conversation. I asked for an admin to review the edits and two did. Both concurred that your thread failed to contain NPA/Civil violations. You are more than welcome to try to take this to ANI, but it is pretty much an open and shut case... if this does go to ANI please let me know.---'''[[User:Balloonman|<font color="purple">Balloonman</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Balloonman|<b><sup><small>Poppa Balloon</small></sup></b>]]'' 01:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks TParis, Good call, and my apologies for not spotting that those lines had been added later. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers''</span> 00:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:Yes, good call. <s>Cla68 has a habit of collecting diffs of people disagreeing with him and his pals and presenting them falsely as "personal attacks".</s> Your comment that it was intended to chill discussion and intimidate others was spot on, IMO. That's how it goes. The follow-up badgering is standard practice too, I'm afraid. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 00:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::IF that is the case, you might want to find examples of it. If it's not, then this can similarly be construed as a personal attack.---'''[[User:Balloonman|<font color="purple">Balloonman</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Balloonman|<b><sup><small>Poppa Balloon</small></sup></b>]]'' 01:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::He has done it to me previously. I'm not going to trawl over the ashes of a year-old incident - I have better things to do with my life. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 01:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::I'd recommend just striking your comments until you're ready to back them up with diffs.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 01:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::Fine, stricken. I'm not going to waste my time on the likes of him. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 01:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::Probably the best approach, while I don't doubt that it's true, without difs, it is hard to tell him that he's engaged in NPA without admonishing you as well.---'''[[User:Balloonman|<font color="purple">Balloonman</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Balloonman|<b><sup><small>Poppa Balloon</small></sup></b>]]'' 02:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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* Unfortunately, ''ad hominem'' tactics are used way too often in Wikipedia by editors in lazy, dishonest attempts to win debates. My sister worked at a car rental place and said that it was true that those businesses are notorious for rude customers. Her agency fixed it using a simple approach...they put big mirrors behind the customer service desk. The level of rudeness dramatically dropped. People just can't be rude when they are looking at themselves in the mirror. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 04:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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* Guess what? Cla68 has reposted his accusations yet again [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/F%C3%A6&diff=475885316&oldid=475885236]. He's daring you to block him. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 07:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== Hi dear Tom Paris == |
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Can you reverse the deletion of the article "Jaume Cañellas Galindo" ? |
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Thank you very much and best wishes. --[[User:Samen54|Samen54]] ([[User talk:Samen54|talk]]) 01:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:I got [[es:User:Miss Manzana]] to review it and they've confirmed your sources are strong so I've restored the article.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 02:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::TP, please take a few minutes to reconsider your revival of the Galindo article. Miss Manzana notwithstanding, the article has exactly the same problems as before: (1) Even if all the claims in the article are true, there's little or no evidence of notability, and (2) the references are, with few or no exceptions, blogposts, primary sources, and sources not supporting the article's text. A great deal of time has been wasted combatting an extensive sockpuppetry campaign [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jaume_Ca%C3%B1ellas_Galindo] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jaume_Ca%C3%B1ellas_Galindo_(2nd_nomination)] to support this article, and by reviving it you risk repeating that waste. I'd appreciate hearing from you (I'll be watching here) after you've had a chance to look into the matter. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng|talk]]) 06:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::EEng - I actually spoke with a fluent Spanish speaker from Spain (an es-wikipedia sysop) who identified the sources as a major Catalonian newspaper. Why is it that she says the sourcing is strong and you say they are blogposts and primary?--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 13:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::I didn't say they were all blogposts and primary, I said that each was, with ew or no exceptions, a blogpost, primary sources (like the picture of the subject's Save the Children ID card) or (even if considered a RS) non-supportive of the text -- and I will add now, certainly non-supportive of notability. Three or maybe four are indeed RS, the rest being online magazines without bylines, an article by the subject himself, a petition signed by the subject and scores of others, and so on. But arguendo, let's say all the article's claims are both true and supported by RS. Then where's the notability? In the meantime, I've deleted most of the "Written works", which are nothing but on-demand printings of Wikipedia articles, for crying out loud (see e.g. "Product Description) at [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Health-Catalonia-Including-University-Barcelona/dp/1244829951]) [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng|talk]]) 06:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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PROTECTION from systematic attacks. Please, do not be fooled Mr. Paris, there are systematic attacks the character on Wikipedia, honest nonsense (Own a vandalism in bad faith). This is an example: "BLP applies to AfD discussions also--see my comment at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jaume_Ca%C3%B1ellas_Galindo&diff=460225100&oldid=460223320]. I am going to assume it is an honest mistake, but you should be more careful.DGG ( talk ) 02:08, 12 November 2011 (UTC)". Attacks mainly promoted by this user Catalan, who do not understand:[[User:Xtv|Xtv]]([[Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?)]]). --[[User:Winterfree2000|Winterfree2000]] ([[User talk:Winterfree2000|talk]]) 10:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::: '''We have verified that has been Attacked with untruths and slander by a group of Catalan separatists''' who managed to cast doubt and delete the character. The reasons "alleged" for deletion no longer exist. Anyone, '''with good will''', can be easily checked.--[[User:Samen54|Samen54]] ([[User talk:Samen54|talk]]) 12:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::: Thank you very much to regain the article "Jaume Cañellas Galindo" ( We just ask that protects you from new meaningless attacks ). You are righteous, with a true word honor, upright and generous. We support you on Wikipedia. Our best and most sincere wishes for you and your family. --[[User:Samen54|Samen54]] ([[User talk:Samen54|talk]]) 12:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== Wrong link == |
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Are you sure that the ANI diff you posted at [[User talk:Tomcloyd]] is correct? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk to me</font>]]</sub> 04:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:That's embarrassing, thanks for the heads up.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 13:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== Courtesy notice == |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANikkimaria&action=historysubmit&diff=475927904&oldid=475879973 You have been mentioned] by a busy-body who increasingly favors ''[[The Day The Earth Stood Still]]'' (original Rennie version)-style civility-enforcement. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|Kiefer.Wolfowitz]] ([[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kiefer.Wolfowitz|contribs]]) 11:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:LOL. Actually, I spent six years in construction with my Dad, so I do know how to handle a 2 x 4 quite well ;).--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 13:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::BTW, SG is retiring. This is a place where women can have "bitch" inserted into their names with impunity. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<font style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</font>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]]</span></small> 22:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Well strong opinated women do often get labeled as such. People just need to realize that intelligence isnt limited to men.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 22:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== [[User:X!]]'s Stuff. == |
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:::::I copied them right from his home folder to mine. I'm working on the others, but I'm out pulling weeds in the yard today. I've been meaning to do some chores around the house for the last couple of weeks but the new unblock tool has kept me too busy to do it so I'm taking this weekend to get some work done. Once the sun goes down, I'll look at getting more tools working.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 20:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
:::::I copied them right from his home folder to mine. I'm working on the others, but I'm out pulling weeds in the yard today. I've been meaning to do some chores around the house for the last couple of weeks but the new unblock tool has kept me too busy to do it so I'm taking this weekend to get some work done. Once the sun goes down, I'll look at getting more tools working.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 20:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::In the meantime, I will continue readapting his bot code to try and get them going and approved as quickly as possible. Updating the RfX Table and Tally is starting to become a bother to me. At least everyone has their stats though.<p>Oh and don't forget to adjust the links to the tools. They're still linked to soxred93.<font color="pink">—[[User:Cyberpower678|<font color="pink" face="Neuropol">cyberpower</font>]] ([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color="gold" face="arnprior">Talk to Me</font>]])([[Special:Contributions/Cyberpower678|<font color="gold" face="arnprior">Contributions</font>]])</font> 21:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
::::::In the meantime, I will continue readapting his bot code to try and get them going and approved as quickly as possible. Updating the RfX Table and Tally is starting to become a bother to me. At least everyone has their stats though.<p>Oh and don't forget to adjust the links to the tools. They're still linked to soxred93.<font color="pink">—[[User:Cyberpower678|<font color="pink" face="Neuropol">cyberpower</font>]] ([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color="gold" face="arnprior">Talk to Me</font>]])([[Special:Contributions/Cyberpower678|<font color="gold" face="arnprior">Contributions</font>]])</font> 21:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== MfD nomination of [[User:Surturz/AdminWatch]] == |
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[[User:Surturz/AdminWatch]], a page you are mentioned on, has been nominated for [[WP:MfD|deletion]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Surturz/AdminWatch (2nd nomination)]]. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 23:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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Thanks for reviving the edit counter! <span style="padding:0 .75ex;font-variant:small-caps;background-color:#fdd;">[[User:Curly Turkey|<b><span style="color:#520;">C</span><span style="color:#f60;">üRly</span><span style="color:#040;">T</span><span style="color:#090;">üRkey</span></b>]]<small><sup style="margin-left:1.5ex;">[[User_talk:Curly Turkey|Talk]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-5ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Curly Turkey|Contribs]]</sub></small></span> 06:44, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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Thanks for reviving the edit counter. [[User:Ramesh Ramaiah|<span style="text-shadow:gray 4px 4px 3px;"><font color="#663300">'''''Ramesh Ramaiah'''''</font></span>]][[User Talk:Ramesh Ramaiah|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><sup> talk</sup></span>]] 15:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I'll look more into the source tonight when I get home; it might be that easy.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 20:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
:::I'll look more into the source tonight when I get home; it might be that easy.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 20:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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==Escalation by Cla68== |
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Please see [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Cla68 now posting "warnings" to editors]] - I suspect you will have a view on this. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 11:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
Please see [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Cla68 now posting "warnings" to editors]] - I suspect you will have a view on this. [[User:Prioryman|Prioryman]] ([[User talk:Prioryman|talk]]) 11:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:A new admin is going to have to take over from here. I'd strongly recommend the new admin throw [[WP:AGF]] out the window since apparently [[WP:AN]] feels that a sysop should not attempt lesser methods of adjusting behavior before going straight to a block. So, just instruct the new admin to throw down a series of escalating blocks until they reach indef. *sigh* But honestly, yeah, you'll need to find a new sysop to address the issue from here.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 15:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
:A new admin is going to have to take over from here. I'd strongly recommend the new admin throw [[WP:AGF]] out the window since apparently [[WP:AN]] feels that a sysop should not attempt lesser methods of adjusting behavior before going straight to a block. So, just instruct the new admin to throw down a series of escalating blocks until they reach indef. *sigh* But honestly, yeah, you'll need to find a new sysop to address the issue from here.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 15:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::No hard feelings TParis. This issue is bigger than you, me, Prioryman, or any other individual editor or admin. It amazes me that ''ad hominem'' arguments have become such an accepted part of Wikipedia debate discourse that many people don't see them as violations of [[WP:NPA]]. The use of logical fallacies, in general, has just gotten out-of-control. Time to try to put a damper on it. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::None on my end either, I'm more frustrated by the response because I thought not going straight to a block was more appropriate and I dislike that someone suggested that was more appropriate. In any case, I noticed you liked runing marathons. I was going to say something yesterday but thought you might not appriciate how casually I tend to move past things (a few other folks think I'm trolling when I engage with them after a block), but I'm considering starting to train for a half marathon with some folks in my office. I can run a solid 4 miles ( in about an hour) and I havent really tried anything further than that, but these two guys I work with just did a marathon and are getting ready for another and invited me to join them. I could definitely use the exercise, I'm trying to lose about 30 lbs, and I find it relaxing. Do you run for the competition or just to run?--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 00:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::I run for the exercise and the runner's high. If I ran for competition, my 5k times would need to be about five minutes faster than they currently are. Four miles at 15 minutes each is a fine start for starting a full marathon preparation program. I won't give you any advice, however, on a marathon training program, as I'm sure your friends have plenty due to their recent experience. How many times a week do you run? [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 12:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::By the way, the runners' topic in [[Quora]], which I belong to under my real name, has a lot of good advice on different kinds of training programs and tips for runners with different goals. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 12:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::I run 3 times a week but only for short distances up to 2 miles. I can run a mile is about 7:30 but then I slow down and my mile and a half is 12:30. I can do two miles in about 20 miles and three miles comes up somewhere around 35-40 minutes. I can usually maintain this pace, it's a jog, for the rest of the run.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 13:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::::Sounds good. I would suggest trying to increase your distance so that your runs last at least 25-30 minutes each session. By keeping your heart rate in the "cardio zone" for that long you should start seeing a noticeable improvement in your speed. For a marathon program, however, as you're probably aware, distance training usually becomes a priority over speed. Anyway, whichever community you live in or near should have some kind of running website that lists all the road races taking place in your area. You might consider participating in a few 5Ks and/or 10Ks if you haven't already. Good luck! [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 23:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:What I meant to say was that although no community ban was supported, neither was there opposition to the block either and a few folks actually said an indef block instead of a ban was appropriate. A lot, and I mean a lot, of folks have said that if Rlevse were to partake in the CCI to go through all of his articles and look for copyright violations or close paraphrasing, then they could see an unblock with scrutiny. If I were working with him trying to find a compromise with the community, I'd start with that. Perhaps also a 6 month ban on autoreviewer right as well. I doubt Rlevse would gain much from mentoring as he already understands how Wikipedia works, but perhaps if there were several editors who volunteered to do spot-checks on his new articles and significant content contributions, that might also be helpful. You might also ask Raul and Sandy (although she might be gone by now) what they'd accept because they are likely to be the most vocal opponents of an unblock.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 20:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
:What I meant to say was that although no community ban was supported, neither was there opposition to the block either and a few folks actually said an indef block instead of a ban was appropriate. A lot, and I mean a lot, of folks have said that if Rlevse were to partake in the CCI to go through all of his articles and look for copyright violations or close paraphrasing, then they could see an unblock with scrutiny. If I were working with him trying to find a compromise with the community, I'd start with that. Perhaps also a 6 month ban on autoreviewer right as well. I doubt Rlevse would gain much from mentoring as he already understands how Wikipedia works, but perhaps if there were several editors who volunteered to do spot-checks on his new articles and significant content contributions, that might also be helpful. You might also ask Raul and Sandy (although she might be gone by now) what they'd accept because they are likely to be the most vocal opponents of an unblock.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 20:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, that helps! I appreciate the clarification. Cheers, [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 20:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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I could take over the edit counter or SoxBot. I've also been working on getting them from X!. What do you think?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 22:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- Question: Have you been in contact with User:X! yet?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 23:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah. I don't mind if you want to take over either.--v/r - TP 23:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- I've planning on creating tools hence my account and I'm in the process of writing a few bots that can potentially help RfX's. So TallyBot, SoxBot, and toolserver would be a great addition.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 23:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- Alright, well I just copied over all of X's scripts in his public_html folder and I'm trying to work on figuring out how his edit counter works so if you need any of his source code, he's already given me the go ahead to copy everything.--v/r - TP 23:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- That will help but, wouldn't it be easier for him to give us the password to his account and and move the data over. Bots too. Wouldn't it be easier for use to give the account passwords to the bots and then change the usernames to them?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 00:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Might be easier, but I don't think Wikipedia or toolserver would like that idea much. For the account, the CC-BY-SA 3.0 would require one owner of an account, that'd be X. For the toolserver, I don't think they'd like the idea at all either. However, if you create a new bot account with X's source code, I am sure the 'crats would speedy-approve the account.--v/r - TP 00:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Not even transferring ownership of it? Oh boy. Well then, could you provide me the links to the toolserver code as well as SoxBot and TallyBot?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Do you have an account? It's not all available on SVN.--v/r - TP 01:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I have a toolserver account, google account, and this account. Is there something else I need?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Nah, just point over at X's folder on toolserver. All the code is there. I'm still going through it all myself so I can't point you to specifically what you want.--v/r - TP 01:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Nah, just point over at X's folder on toolserver. All the code is there. I'm still going through it all myself so I can't point you to specifically what you want.--v/r - TP 01:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I have a toolserver account, google account, and this account. Is there something else I need?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Do you have an account? It's not all available on SVN.--v/r - TP 01:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Not even transferring ownership of it? Oh boy. Well then, could you provide me the links to the toolserver code as well as SoxBot and TallyBot?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Might be easier, but I don't think Wikipedia or toolserver would like that idea much. For the account, the CC-BY-SA 3.0 would require one owner of an account, that'd be X. For the toolserver, I don't think they'd like the idea at all either. However, if you create a new bot account with X's source code, I am sure the 'crats would speedy-approve the account.--v/r - TP 00:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- That will help but, wouldn't it be easier for him to give us the password to his account and and move the data over. Bots too. Wouldn't it be easier for use to give the account passwords to the bots and then change the usernames to them?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 00:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Alright, well I just copied over all of X's scripts in his public_html folder and I'm trying to work on figuring out how his edit counter works so if you need any of his source code, he's already given me the go ahead to copy everything.--v/r - TP 23:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- I've planning on creating tools hence my account and I'm in the process of writing a few bots that can potentially help RfX's. So TallyBot, SoxBot, and toolserver would be a great addition.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 23:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah. I don't mind if you want to take over either.--v/r - TP 23:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Good job. Now for the rest. I'll create a backup to avoid such incidents in the future. We also have to fix the links to this counter as well. I'll start off with the RfA.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:35, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am restructuring the code to have SoxBot operate under Cyberbot I. I hope to be done in a few days.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 10:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Edit Counter is not working. What's going on?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 20:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- Seems to be working for me. What error are you getting?--v/r - TP 20:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- It's working now. What about the other tools like article blamer and so forth? Are you taking care of them?
P.S. Where are you getting his toolserver codes from?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 20:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- I copied them right from his home folder to mine. I'm working on the others, but I'm out pulling weeds in the yard today. I've been meaning to do some chores around the house for the last couple of weeks but the new unblock tool has kept me too busy to do it so I'm taking this weekend to get some work done. Once the sun goes down, I'll look at getting more tools working.--v/r - TP 20:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- In the meantime, I will continue readapting his bot code to try and get them going and approved as quickly as possible. Updating the RfX Table and Tally is starting to become a bother to me. At least everyone has their stats though.
Oh and don't forget to adjust the links to the tools. They're still linked to soxred93.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 21:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- In the meantime, I will continue readapting his bot code to try and get them going and approved as quickly as possible. Updating the RfX Table and Tally is starting to become a bother to me. At least everyone has their stats though.
- I copied them right from his home folder to mine. I'm working on the others, but I'm out pulling weeds in the yard today. I've been meaning to do some chores around the house for the last couple of weeks but the new unblock tool has kept me too busy to do it so I'm taking this weekend to get some work done. Once the sun goes down, I'll look at getting more tools working.--v/r - TP 20:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- It's working now. What about the other tools like article blamer and so forth? Are you taking care of them?
- Seems to be working for me. What error are you getting?--v/r - TP 20:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- Edit Counter is not working. What's going on?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 20:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Invitation to join WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron
Hello, TParis. You have been invited to join the Article Rescue Squadron, a collaborative effort to rescue articles from deletion if they can be improved through regular editing. For more information, please visit the project page, where you can >> join << and help improve Wikipedia articles considered by others as based upon notable topics. Northamerica1000(talk) 18:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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- I'm not interested in joining, I'll just continue to watch from the outside. Thanks for the offer.--v/r - TP 18:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. Critical thought regarding the project, such as you have provided, should hopefully ultimately improve the WikiProject. I'm cognizant of your criticisms of the project; but they can be used as constructive criticism to improve the project, and hence, Wikipedia itself. Anyway, the offer still stands for future consideration. Northamerica1000(talk) 21:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm going to be bluntly honest. One of the biggest drawbacks to the idea of joining ARS is having more involvement with you. I cannot stand your wikilawyering, you constantly misunderstand and misinterpret policy and then you spam it over 10 WikiProjects and Wikipedia space pages. I strongly suggest you find a mentor. I'm willing to let things go if you show serious improvememt in 'clue'. It is what it is, but that's why I'm not throwing my hat in.--v/r - TP 22:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. Critical thought regarding the project, such as you have provided, should hopefully ultimately improve the WikiProject. I'm cognizant of your criticisms of the project; but they can be used as constructive criticism to improve the project, and hence, Wikipedia itself. Anyway, the offer still stands for future consideration. Northamerica1000(talk) 21:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Syntax
Let me add my voice in thanks for bring back X!'s edit counter. Would you happen to know the source and/or URL syntax used to get the machine-readable edit count results used at RfA pages such as this one? If it was with X!'s counter, will it still work? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 20:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I've always highlighted the entire page, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-P, and wrap it in the <pre></pre> tags to do the edit stats pages but if there is another page then it might take me awhile to find it. X had a lot of code in his home directory and I'm still trying to discover what it all does.--v/r - TP 20:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks and sorry to bother you. (I thought that it might be as simple as adding something like "&machread=1" to the URL, like you can do with http://toolserver.org/~River/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=TransporterMan&dbname=enwiki_p.) Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 20:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Escalation by Cla68
Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Cla68 now posting "warnings" to editors - I suspect you will have a view on this. Prioryman (talk) 11:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- A new admin is going to have to take over from here. I'd strongly recommend the new admin throw WP:AGF out the window since apparently WP:AN feels that a sysop should not attempt lesser methods of adjusting behavior before going straight to a block. So, just instruct the new admin to throw down a series of escalating blocks until they reach indef. *sigh* But honestly, yeah, you'll need to find a new sysop to address the issue from here.--v/r - TP 15:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- No hard feelings TParis. This issue is bigger than you, me, Prioryman, or any other individual editor or admin. It amazes me that ad hominem arguments have become such an accepted part of Wikipedia debate discourse that many people don't see them as violations of WP:NPA. The use of logical fallacies, in general, has just gotten out-of-control. Time to try to put a damper on it. Cla68 (talk) 00:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- None on my end either, I'm more frustrated by the response because I thought not going straight to a block was more appropriate and I dislike that someone suggested that was more appropriate. In any case, I noticed you liked runing marathons. I was going to say something yesterday but thought you might not appriciate how casually I tend to move past things (a few other folks think I'm trolling when I engage with them after a block), but I'm considering starting to train for a half marathon with some folks in my office. I can run a solid 4 miles ( in about an hour) and I havent really tried anything further than that, but these two guys I work with just did a marathon and are getting ready for another and invited me to join them. I could definitely use the exercise, I'm trying to lose about 30 lbs, and I find it relaxing. Do you run for the competition or just to run?--v/r - TP 00:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- I run for the exercise and the runner's high. If I ran for competition, my 5k times would need to be about five minutes faster than they currently are. Four miles at 15 minutes each is a fine start for starting a full marathon preparation program. I won't give you any advice, however, on a marathon training program, as I'm sure your friends have plenty due to their recent experience. How many times a week do you run? Cla68 (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- By the way, the runners' topic in Quora, which I belong to under my real name, has a lot of good advice on different kinds of training programs and tips for runners with different goals. Cla68 (talk) 12:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- I run 3 times a week but only for short distances up to 2 miles. I can run a mile is about 7:30 but then I slow down and my mile and a half is 12:30. I can do two miles in about 20 miles and three miles comes up somewhere around 35-40 minutes. I can usually maintain this pace, it's a jog, for the rest of the run.--v/r - TP 13:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds good. I would suggest trying to increase your distance so that your runs last at least 25-30 minutes each session. By keeping your heart rate in the "cardio zone" for that long you should start seeing a noticeable improvement in your speed. For a marathon program, however, as you're probably aware, distance training usually becomes a priority over speed. Anyway, whichever community you live in or near should have some kind of running website that lists all the road races taking place in your area. You might consider participating in a few 5Ks and/or 10Ks if you haven't already. Good luck! Cla68 (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- I run 3 times a week but only for short distances up to 2 miles. I can run a mile is about 7:30 but then I slow down and my mile and a half is 12:30. I can do two miles in about 20 miles and three miles comes up somewhere around 35-40 minutes. I can usually maintain this pace, it's a jog, for the rest of the run.--v/r - TP 13:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- By the way, the runners' topic in Quora, which I belong to under my real name, has a lot of good advice on different kinds of training programs and tips for runners with different goals. Cla68 (talk) 12:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- I run for the exercise and the runner's high. If I ran for competition, my 5k times would need to be about five minutes faster than they currently are. Four miles at 15 minutes each is a fine start for starting a full marathon preparation program. I won't give you any advice, however, on a marathon training program, as I'm sure your friends have plenty due to their recent experience. How many times a week do you run? Cla68 (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- None on my end either, I'm more frustrated by the response because I thought not going straight to a block was more appropriate and I dislike that someone suggested that was more appropriate. In any case, I noticed you liked runing marathons. I was going to say something yesterday but thought you might not appriciate how casually I tend to move past things (a few other folks think I'm trolling when I engage with them after a block), but I'm considering starting to train for a half marathon with some folks in my office. I can run a solid 4 miles ( in about an hour) and I havent really tried anything further than that, but these two guys I work with just did a marathon and are getting ready for another and invited me to join them. I could definitely use the exercise, I'm trying to lose about 30 lbs, and I find it relaxing. Do you run for the competition or just to run?--v/r - TP 00:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- No hard feelings TParis. This issue is bigger than you, me, Prioryman, or any other individual editor or admin. It amazes me that ad hominem arguments have become such an accepted part of Wikipedia debate discourse that many people don't see them as violations of WP:NPA. The use of logical fallacies, in general, has just gotten out-of-control. Time to try to put a damper on it. Cla68 (talk) 00:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Close question
Hi TParis. Quick question about your close of this thread the other day. I actually didn't see a lot of support there keeping the indef in place; I think two people had opposed the ban but supported a continued block, but perhaps I missed some? Anyway, I was hoping to get your thoughts on that, because I'm trying to figure out a way to get him editing again. He would like to return, but the ban=no/block=yes close leaves me a little confused as to how to approach that. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 20:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- What I meant to say was that although no community ban was supported, neither was there opposition to the block either and a few folks actually said an indef block instead of a ban was appropriate. A lot, and I mean a lot, of folks have said that if Rlevse were to partake in the CCI to go through all of his articles and look for copyright violations or close paraphrasing, then they could see an unblock with scrutiny. If I were working with him trying to find a compromise with the community, I'd start with that. Perhaps also a 6 month ban on autoreviewer right as well. I doubt Rlevse would gain much from mentoring as he already understands how Wikipedia works, but perhaps if there were several editors who volunteered to do spot-checks on his new articles and significant content contributions, that might also be helpful. You might also ask Raul and Sandy (although she might be gone by now) what they'd accept because they are likely to be the most vocal opponents of an unblock.--v/r - TP 20:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
X!'s edit counter
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