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Just got your note about the problem with the template. Will take a look at it. [[User:J JMesserly|J JMesserly]] ([[User talk:J JMesserly|talk]]) 00:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC) |
Just got your note about the problem with the template. Will take a look at it. [[User:J JMesserly|J JMesserly]] ([[User talk:J JMesserly|talk]]) 00:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC) |
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==Text copyright== |
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Richard, your addition of text [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canada%E2%80%93Tonga_relations&diff=prev&oldid=402012346 here] is not consistent with Wikipedia's policies on using non-free sources, which, unfortunately, includes the government of Canada. Except with brief, clearly marked quotations, information taken from such sources must be written completely in your own words. Minimal alterations create a [[derivative work]]. For an example, your addition to the article included the following text: |
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*"In Tonga, Canada is represented by the Canadian High Commission in [[New Zealand]]. Tonga is represented in Canada by a Tongalese High Commission in [[New York City]]." |
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The [http://canadainternational.gc.ca/new_zealand-nouvelle_zelande/bilateral_relations_bilaterales/canada_tonga-tonga.aspx source] says |
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*"In Tonga, Canada is represented by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand. Tonga is represented in Canada by a High Commission in New York, U.S.A." |
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You added (citations and formatting omitted) |
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{{quotation|Tonga is the only monarchy in the South Pacific region and Canada that is supports the Kingdom's democratization agenda. Canada supports community-based projects in Tonga through the Canada Fund for Local Initiatives administered by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand. Tonga is also eligible for multilateral programs and others managed by the [[Canadian International Development Agency]] (CIDA). Canada's trade relations with Tonga are managed by the [[Trade Commissioner Service]], New Zealand.}} |
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The source says (bolding added): |
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{{quotation|'''Tonga is the only monarchy in the South Pacific region and Canada is support'''ive of '''the Kingdom’s democratisation agenda.''' With regard to development assistance, '''Canada supports community-based projects in Tonga through the Canada Fund for Local Initiatives administered by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand.''' The country '''is also eligible for multilateral programs and others managed by the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA). Canada's trade relations with Tonga are managed by the Trade Commissioner Service, New Zealand.'''}} |
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The bolding is there to demonstrate direct duplication. There are other passages that follow too closely. Some of the more blatant content has been removed; what remains has been tagged for rewriting. |
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While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. The essay [[Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing]] contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues in the future. The article [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches]], while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism". (I see, though, that this has been explained to you before, at [[Talk:George E. M. Kelly]].) |
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When text is verifiably public domain, it ''can'' be used in this manner, but even so to do it without indicating that you are copying content directly consitutes a problem under [[Wikipedia:Plagiarism]]. It is not enough to cite your source; you must in one of the manners described there indicate that you are copying, even when content is free. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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My favorite quotes used in deletion discussions
- "If this guy is such a pillar of the Empire, why is he just now getting an article?" at William James Wanless
My wikistalkers
I have a sneaking suspicion that they are either the same person or working together. Most of their contributions appear to be nominating articles that I start.
- User:Torkmann
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard H. Sylvester
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/W. L. Shurtleff
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiram Boardman Conibear
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suffrage Hike. He wrote: "How is this notable or memorable? I say that is it no different than any of the other myriad women's rights caterwauling that's been going on for the last several hundred years. No different than an article on 'Molly's bra burning at the Bush second inauguration party, 2004, Salem, Mass.' Sourcing seems a bit suspect as well. Rubbish."
- User:Drawn Some
- User:Ocean Mystic Researcher, his newest incarnation
- As it turned out the two were the same along with a third. I am sure there are more. All three personas nominated the same article and the accounts were banned from editing.
New articles to start
- Quentin D. Corley
- Beatrice O'Brien (1882-1976), was the daughter of an Irish baron. She married Guglielmo Marconi and had three children. She later married the Marchese Liborio Marignoli
- Hiram Boardman Conibear (1871-1917)
- Anna Sands
- Cato Sells
- Tyler Clementi
- Geoffrey Gordon Whitney
- Robert Edward Lee Mountcastle (1865-1913)
Strange sections
Hello Mr. Norton. Mind if I ask why you have these sections above here? All but the Welcome one would normally be found on an editor's User page, rather than on their Talk page surely? Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 11:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
NYC Meetup: Saturday, December 4
Our next Wikipedia NYC Meetup is this weekend on Saturday Dec 4 at Brooklyn Museum during their awesome First Saturdays program, starting at 5 PM.
A particular highlight for the wiki crowd will be 'Seductive Subversion: Women Pop Artists, 1958–1968', and the accompanying "WikiPop" project, with specially-created Wikipedia articles on the artists displayed on iPads in the gallery.
This will be a museum touring and partying meetup, so no excuses about being a shy newbie this time. Bring a friend too!
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Template fields
Hi Richard Arthur Norton
I see you changed the newspaper field to the work field in the {{cite news}} template in Elaine Kaufman. I reviewed the instructions for that template and don't see any reason that work would be preferred to newspaper when the publication is a newspaper. Could you explain the logic?
Regards, Bongomatic 03:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- No logic involved at all. Revert if you don't like it, I will change my templates to newspaper now. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- Don't care either way—thought you knew a secret! Bongomatic 04:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- What do you use for news magazines? I am updating my templates now, what should I use for Time magazine? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- No logic involved at all. Revert if you don't like it, I will change my templates to newspaper now. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- How have you been handing when the Associated Press is the source in a local paper? or local news site? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- For magazines, I generally use {{cite journal}}. As for wire services like AP or AFP, they go under the agency field. It can be used along with an author and a newspaper. Bongomatic 05:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Defiance
For your consideration
- New York Times, January 6, 1915
- DEFIANCE SOLD AS JUNK.
- America's Cup Candidate Cost $65,OOO-Goes for $6,500.
- Defiance, the yacht built by the tricity syndicate as an America Cup defender, has seen the end of her fitful career. Her surviving owner, Commodore E. W. Clark of the Philadelphia Corinthian Yacht Club, has disposed of her as junk, and she will be broken up mainly for the seventy tons of lead in her keel and the steel ribs in her frame. Parts of her top hamper, her spars, and some fittings, will be turned over to men who are now rebuilding Mr. Clark's Istalena. The rest of her will go to the junkmen who bought what was left of the erratic single-sticker which cost her builders about $63,000 when she was built at the Bath Iron Works.
- A syndicate of New York, Philadelphia,and Boston sportsmen built Defiance, hoping she might be good enough to meet Shamrock in the race which was to have been sailed in New York Harbor last Fall. but which was declared off on the breaking out of the European war.
- Defiance was a failure from the beginning, as her sail spread was so great that the frail body. even with its load of lead, could not stand the strain. Twice her sail area was reduced and her mast cut down or restepped, but she was too cranky to suit, even with these changes. After her failure was announced during thc trial races. Commodore, Clark bought out all the other interests in her, deciding to rebuild or change her rigging so that she could be utilized by him. This was found impracticable, and now the would-be racer has gone to the junk heap.
- At the end of her racing career it was stated that the sloop had cost the syndicate nearly $100,000 before it was decided that she was unfit to compete with her rivals as a defender of the cup. Considering the sum spent on refitting her with new sails, the cost of the crew engaged to sail her, and the tender's expenses, with other incidentals. this is probably an underestimate. Report has it that as junk she fetched her owner about $6,500.
Regards, --Paul (talk) 23:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 04:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
- Rich, you beat me to it on creating J.C. Turpin page. I really didn't know you had created a page and was preparing to start one. Im glad I looked it up again. Great job.
On Theodore Le Martin you asked if I'd provide links, I'll do as much as I can especially in pioneer aviation article ie articles on The Bleriot company or other that he worked or flew for. That's if they're needed. All my Best. Koplimek (talk) 18:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Between Flickr Commons and Early Aviators and the New York Times abstracts, I could easily add two dozen more articles on early aviators. It is good to see them get some recognition. I think I may get the flyer I like in the NJ Aviation Hall of Fame next year, I have been trying for 5 years now. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Hc-hagedorn-150.jpg
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- If you wish to discuss, please do so on the file talk page. Jsayre64 (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Nomination of Planet killer for deletion
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The article Lauer has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- A search for references did not find support for this article content, unreferenced in other langauges. Fails WP:N and WP:V
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He was known as Charles E Nicholson (without a period after the "E")
Why you have put this statement in the reference section? What is it refering to?? Where is the reference? Also please make a proposal ref what you are comfortable with to have as the final edit in the main biog re aka Charles E Nicholson. Appreciate your thoughts/views on this. Thanks Boatman (talk) 18:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Unless his name is what made him notable, it doesn't belong in the lede. I am not sure why you keep adding it there. It is no different from any standard name variation of "A. B. Smith" or "Albert B. Smith", but you keep adding the bare "E" without the period so I am pointing out that is what makes the name important enough for being in a footnote. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- You continue to completely miss my point. So that is all from me on this one. Thanks for your input. Boatman (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Unless his name is what made him notable, it doesn't belong in the lede. I am not sure why you keep adding it there. It is no different from any standard name variation of "A. B. Smith" or "Albert B. Smith", but you keep adding the bare "E" without the period so I am pointing out that is what makes the name important enough for being in a footnote. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- I miss it because of your lack of the ability to make your point clear. Why does that exact version of the name without a period used in the middle initial have to be in the lede? Is it just your quirky way of doing it, or something that is special to him? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
The article List of Los Angeles Dodgers owners has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- Redundant (see List of Los Angeles Dodgers owners and executives)
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will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Muboshgu (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Mucking with the template
Just got your note about the problem with the template. Will take a look at it. J JMesserly (talk) 00:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Text copyright
Richard, your addition of text here is not consistent with Wikipedia's policies on using non-free sources, which, unfortunately, includes the government of Canada. Except with brief, clearly marked quotations, information taken from such sources must be written completely in your own words. Minimal alterations create a derivative work. For an example, your addition to the article included the following text:
- "In Tonga, Canada is represented by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand. Tonga is represented in Canada by a Tongalese High Commission in New York City."
The source says
- "In Tonga, Canada is represented by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand. Tonga is represented in Canada by a High Commission in New York, U.S.A."
You added (citations and formatting omitted)
Tonga is the only monarchy in the South Pacific region and Canada that is supports the Kingdom's democratization agenda. Canada supports community-based projects in Tonga through the Canada Fund for Local Initiatives administered by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand. Tonga is also eligible for multilateral programs and others managed by the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA). Canada's trade relations with Tonga are managed by the Trade Commissioner Service, New Zealand.
The source says (bolding added):
Tonga is the only monarchy in the South Pacific region and Canada is supportive of the Kingdom’s democratisation agenda. With regard to development assistance, Canada supports community-based projects in Tonga through the Canada Fund for Local Initiatives administered by the Canadian High Commission in New Zealand. The country is also eligible for multilateral programs and others managed by the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA). Canada's trade relations with Tonga are managed by the Trade Commissioner Service, New Zealand.
The bolding is there to demonstrate direct duplication. There are other passages that follow too closely. Some of the more blatant content has been removed; what remains has been tagged for rewriting.
While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. The essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues in the future. The article Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism". (I see, though, that this has been explained to you before, at Talk:George E. M. Kelly.)
When text is verifiably public domain, it can be used in this manner, but even so to do it without indicating that you are copying content directly consitutes a problem under Wikipedia:Plagiarism. It is not enough to cite your source; you must in one of the manners described there indicate that you are copying, even when content is free. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)