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Hey Quadell! You seem to be very active regarding image deletion on en.wikipedia.org and that’s why I contact you. I am not familiar with the procedures here and in this special case the user mentioned above would just revert my edits. The user uploaded hundreds of copyvios on Wikimedia Commons in the past, I am sysop there (and on de.wp) and had to deal with it. A lot of the deleted images were uploaded here as fair use (often with the template <nowiki>{{Non-free poster}}</nowiki> whenever it’s just a photography like thousand others), without providing a fair use rationale but a stunning quality (see [[:Image:Sport Association Dynamo.png]] and it’s ''gallery'' or [[:Image:Dynamoparade in GDR Berlin.png]]). A lot of images are orphaned, others are clear copyvios ([[:Image:Erich Mielke SV Dynamo.jpg]], [[:Image:Single scull.jpg]]). The same person also used the account „Lucken“ to upload images (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Lucken). Please help me dealing with this user on your platform. Thank you in advance, --[[User:Polarlys|Polarlys]] 23:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC) |
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New Free Content that requires close examination
Quadell, I just received the following free images in response to a WP:ERP request - since you are my free content mentor, I think you should be the first to see them (besides me):
- Image:Michele Merkin 1.jpg
- Image:Michele Merkin 2.jpg
- Image:Michele Merkin 3.jpg
- Image:Michele Merkin 4.jpg
Who says free content has to be crappy? Videmus Omnia Talk 22:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Good lord, Tim! You're amazing. Free content isn't supposed to be that sexy! If I'm your free content mentor, I hereby declare you to be fully graduated, and now pursuing an advanced degree. :-) – Quadell (talk) (random) 22:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Bohermeen Church
Sorry for sounding so angry. What happened is simple (and it has driven hundreds of users away over the last 2 years). Wikipedia had one set of commands available when I and many others uploaded images, and we categorised them according to the commands at the time. Over time various changes occurred but those of us who had contributed vast numbers of images and articles could not physically trace back every image to recategorise them. Many users simply asked that if there was an image problem they get a polite enquiry, taking into account the fact that different rules and categories at existed when the images were put onto WP. They also pointed ouy that many people are not on every day or every week and asked that an adequate length of time be given to allow any recategorisation take place. Instead these points were ignored and instead users found there talk pages jammed with bot messages accusing them of improperly uploading images and warning them that the images were going to be removed as illegal unless an explanation was given. I was one of those heavily involved in rewriting all the Irish history and politics pages (5 of us between us wrote 90% of the major articles on Irish history and politics) and was one of a group of about 20 who turned what were notoriously embarrassing articles on royalty into a form that got written about in the British media, which described the quality of WP coverage of royalty as the best of any encyclopaedia. One guy sent months assembling images through contacting press offices worldwide and getting images released under the conditions required by WP at the time. He went away for a month and found his page jammed with bot notices telling him that all his images had been improperly loaded according to new rules. In that time all his images had been deleted, with articles left as tangled messes. He has not been back since (and if you think I am angry you should have seen his anger. His phone bill from calling press offices had been over €300, only to find himself then accused by new users and bots of having broken laws he had not broken by using categories that had not existed at the time).
Every one of the group I worked with on the Irish articles was driven away by how they were treated over images. All but two of the people I worked with on the royal articles have done the same. I left WP months ago because I spent my entire time being bombarded by bots. I am only back occasionally to check something. Every time I arrive back I find I am bombarded again. I have had images I myself licensed using GFDL removed simply because the form of GFDL licence in use at the time was different to the one used now. I am completely fed up with it and have washed my hands of WP. (I constantly get emails from others on WP who have decided that they have had enough too and are leaving.) In this case I was advised by WP when I asked to categorise that image as it was categorised, and not to use GFDL. A lot of us were told the same thing. Now we all find ourselves under seige from people accusing us of incorrectly categorising stuff. Thank you, BTW for coming back about this. Various longstanding users were complaining about this for ages, and were ignored. I have written for other encyclopaedias and can charge heavily for my work. I got fed up working for free here only then to find articles I wrote ripped to shreds by a bot screwing up images. Sorry for being so angry tonight but I am so fed up with it all. Various users I worked with have been removing images they posted, including full GFDL images, because of how they feel they have been treated. I don't even bother to correct entries any more. The last time I did that, explaining in detail why the image was fully legal, it was ignored anyway and the image removed even though it was fully legit.
You could say that I, and the others who put so much time and effort into this encyclopaedia, have just given up in frustation, and regret having done so much work for so little thanks. If others had showed the concern you had, rather than just ignored the concerns of longstanding contributors, we would not all have left. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Image:RAF Kenley,jpg
Hi
I uploaded this image from my PC, and, although it is Crown Copyright, have used the same rationale for fair use as I have seen on several other similar images uploaded by other.
I do not recall the source at present, although I will be able to track it down (It was an RAF site), and I will add it to the summary data, but I do know that it recognised the Crown Copyright aspect on the site. Station and Squadron crests such as that used here were available from RAF Marham], which is an active RAF Base, but they are no longer available for download from that source.
I believe the rationale given does give suitable grounds for fair use, especially for a relatively small image, although I have not done much with images before, so your comments and explanation would be welcome. Many thanks, Lynbarn 00:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Polbit bio trial (100)
Aha. Polbot has shunned the nasty little animals and plants and returned to mere humans? :-) See Category:Musicians work group articles for an idea of how polluted the WPBiography list is with music groups as well as musicians. See User:Carcharoth/Polbot3 trial run#The trial 100 for the latest list. Just a straight 100 from the list. No careful selection. Carcharoth 01:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- And I see the results are up. Thanks for those! Carcharoth 16:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- And I've add some comments on the results. One more trial run? :-) Carcharoth 10:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
A list of 150 is at User:Carcharoth/Polbot3 trial run. My initial list included two pages in the Wikipedia namespace. Does Polbot automatically ignore titles not in the article or article talk namespace? I also see that the new list includes two blatantly non-bio articles, but let's hope Polbot manages to list them - finding these non-bio articles could be an important side-effect! Carcharoth 14:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Michele Merkin pics
I'm totally digging your edits - thanks for using the pics! Makes me feel like my work is accomplishing something. Videmus Omnia Talk 04:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Puff, puff
Thanks for starting up smoking. I've been planning on making a proper article of it even since I first laid my eyes on Smoke: A Global History of Smoking, that wonderful anthology of essays on virtually every aspect of smoking. I kept getting distracted by all kinds of other topics (the historical cuisines, Vasa (ship), horse artillery, etc.) but now I'm going to concentrate on topping off the article with all the lovely information I've been reading so much about for the past few months.
Peter Isotalo 07:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wow! You've done a great job on the article. You should nominate it at "Did You Know"! – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Latin American Idol 2 Pic
Can you pls tell me how to tag the pictures Ive uploaded. It seems that you almost deleted all the pictures from group 1. Those are tv captures and not a picture posted from any website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idol fanatic (talk • contribs)
- Greetings. I'm afraid we cannot use non-free portraits of living people, no matter how they are tagged. Someone could photograph these people and release the photos under a free license. See Wikipedia:Image use policy for details. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Your latest "sanctioned vanadalism" (Image that was on Tomoko Kawase)
I have a better idea.. why don't YOU try contacting her to see if she has a freely-licensed image? Get out of your little dreamland already! You are falsely presuming that she (and countless other personalities everywhere) is easy to contact or photograph. Once again, the bad legal advice that Jimbo Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation received (which is all that I can logically chalk up the policy too - was that legal advice "free". too?) causes damage to another Wikipedia article as well as more disruption to Wikipeida and the people who truly contribute to it. Unless people start pulling their heads out of their asses, Wikipedia is going to go the way of Pets.com. --CJ Marsicano 14:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- We don't want unfree images if they are replaceable. This has nothing to do with legal advice. If the person is still alive people can and will take amateur photos. Sorry but that's policy. -N 14:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, but with all due respect your claim "This has nothing to do with legal advice" sounds like bullshit to me. A lawyer friend I talked to when WP:H!P was first having trouble with "admins" (I use that in quotes because some of these weren't really admins, just editors acting under a fascistic interpretation of the current flawed image policy) feels that, so called "private server" or not, the Wikimedia Foundation cannot supersede the laws of the country its server resides in. --CJ Marsicano 15:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- We aren't superseding the law. WE DON'T WANT THE PICTURE. We can and do say we don't want to use pictures even if the law allows it. Can't you get that through your brain? And you can't force us to use somebody else's copyrighted picture. We are dedicated to free content (free as in speech, not free as in beer). We have a line in the sand. It is a fundamental principle of this site. You can either respect it or not. -N 15:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- First of all, there is no "we" here. There is just you and I. You do not speak for all of Wikipedia and neither do I. You can stop trying to bullshit me now. Wikipedia is superseding the law whether people realize it or not (it seems like you don't actually realize or want to admit it - I don'tknow or care what the case is) and that will be one of the things that will lead to its downfall. Someday the Wikimedia Foundation will get sued, and it won't be for a copyright law violation over images that are reproduced time and time again elsewhere without the ridiculous nitpicking that this site practices, it'll be for constitutional violations.
- We aren't superseding the law. WE DON'T WANT THE PICTURE. We can and do say we don't want to use pictures even if the law allows it. Can't you get that through your brain? And you can't force us to use somebody else's copyrighted picture. We are dedicated to free content (free as in speech, not free as in beer). We have a line in the sand. It is a fundamental principle of this site. You can either respect it or not. -N 15:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, but with all due respect your claim "This has nothing to do with legal advice" sounds like bullshit to me. A lawyer friend I talked to when WP:H!P was first having trouble with "admins" (I use that in quotes because some of these weren't really admins, just editors acting under a fascistic interpretation of the current flawed image policy) feels that, so called "private server" or not, the Wikimedia Foundation cannot supersede the laws of the country its server resides in. --CJ Marsicano 15:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- If it's really a "private server", then close editing access down to the public and hire/select trusted people to edit it. But as long as the server is always under constant public access, then only the laws of the country that the server is in should determine the content. --CJ Marsicano 17:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Um, no. Just because it's a Wiki, that doesn't mean the Wiki owners can't make rules about what's acceptable and what's not. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- I am growing very weary of the flawed logic behind these increasingly fascistic policies. Wikipedia is slowly becoming a banana republic. And we all know that banana republics are prone to revolutions and coups. --CJ Marsicano 18:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Um, no. Just because it's a Wiki, that doesn't mean the Wiki owners can't make rules about what's acceptable and what's not. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- If it's really a "private server", then close editing access down to the public and hire/select trusted people to edit it. But as long as the server is always under constant public access, then only the laws of the country that the server is in should determine the content. --CJ Marsicano 17:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Jane Child
Hello. I have just noticed that an image i've placed on the Jane Child page here @ Wiki has been removed, the note stated that it was due to an "Outdated Image". Please be aware that there are NO RECENT IMAGES available of this person and the image placed there was the best representation. Was it deleted? Can it be replaced? Thank you!
- Greetings. The image was deleted (and will be deleted again) because it is "replaceable". What that means is, someone could take a photograph of the person and release that photo under a free license. Because of that, we can't use a non-free image of the person. ("outdated image" has nothing to do with it.) For more information, see our non-free content policy. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Bugger. Ok, the image comes directly from Jane's own website. I have my own archive of Jane images (I ran the JaneChild.org fansite) including video caps. Will an album cover suffice? Again, thanks for your help.
- I'm sorry, but no. In order to have an image that shows what she looks like, it will have to be a free image. You might try e-mailing her or her publicist to see if they would provide a freely-licensed image. User:Videmus Omnia/Free Images gives some useful tips on how to do this. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks for the link and suggestion. Again, thank you!
Re: Supermodel images
Do you really think that Image:Adriana Lima by David Shankbone.jpg illustrates the concept of a supermodel better than Image:Michele Merkin 4.jpg? I don't. In your edit summary, you speculated that I'm on a promotional campaign. I assure you, I have no connection with Ms. Merkin, and had never even heard of her before a week ago. I'm simply delighted that another editor was able to secure high-quality photos under the GFDL. Many articles on models and model-related topics do not have suitable images, because professional-quality images of models are rarely released under a free license. I was just trying to correct this. See [1] and [2]. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please stop posting Michele Merkin images on Wikipedia. You have inserted these images gratuitously in several highly inappropriate articles, and in the instance of the Supermodel article where an existing image was adequate or better. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] Furthermore you are edit warring to retain them where they are not wanted. Regardless of your motivation, your campaign is not adding value to Wikipedia.
- Also, please remove the "straw polls" you have placed in several Talk pages. These are time wasters which you probably already know are not recommended and do not help achieve consensus. They have no purpose in this discussion except to rally support from WP:ILIKEIT's. / edg ☺ ★ 16:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Straw polls are a great way to determine consensus. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please consider WP:POLLS. Quote:
Wikipedia decisions are not made by popular vote, but rather through discussions by reasonable people working towards consensus. Polling is only meant to facilitate discussion, and should be used with care.
- Your polls pose a distraction from already-existing discussions. You should really remove them. / edg ☺ ★ 17:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree. I think the polls facilitate discussion. Where, for instance, was the "already-existing discussion" on the use of contemporary free images in Talk:Pornography and Talk:Erotica? – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Straw polls are a great way to determine consensus. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please remember that there is a real person here, with real feelings. I'm sincerely trying to improve Wikipedia, and some of your comments hurt. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm terribly sorry. I've treated you unfairly. Obviously you have great intentions.
- In answer to your question:
Do you really think that Image:Adriana Lima by David Shankbone.jpg illustrates the concept of a supermodel better than Image:Michele Merkin 4.jpg?
- No. Is is necessary that I think this image is actually better? My impression was — and perhaps it was very wrong of me to go on this feeling — was that you — and I'm very sorry to point you out in particular, all I mean is to identify the editor who made these edits, but this is nothing personal, and if anyone else made these same edits I would make the same suggestions, I promise — were posting these images gratuitously, in inappropriate articles. The article Model (person) didn't need this improvement, and on the subject of "supermodels", I don't see much evidence that Ms. Merkin is one.
- Then again, you must know more about this subject than I do. I have reverted my reversion on Model (person).
Why do I get the feeling that Miss Merkin (or her agent) would only have wanted her images to be used in articles about her, and not to illustrate general points? I'm all for writing to people and asking for free images, but I fear that in cases where the person 'releasing' the photos misunderstands what GFDL means, this may cause more problems than it solves. I may have misunderstood this case, but I am convinced that some people will end feeling 'duped' into releasing free pictures without understanding the consequences of their actions. Carcharoth 10:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- The requesting letter made it very clear that the release would allow anyone to use the image for any purpose, including modification, or commercial reuse. Why in the world would you think the copyright holder wouldn't have understood what she was agreeing to? – Quadell (talk) (random) 11:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying that. I still worry about other cases though. I've seen people on Wikipedia try and cling on to free pics when the person releasing them has second thoughts. As a courtesy to living people, I think we should allow removal of such pictures if they change their minds, as they are still replaceable. Of course, we can't do anything if someone else has taken a copy and modified it, etc. Carcharoth 12:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. Once a person has licensed an image under the GFDL (or other free license), that grant is legally irrevocable, but that doesn't mean we have to be jerks about it. I usually delete images when someone asks me to, due to second thoughts, even if I'd rather we kept the image. – Quadell (talk) (random) 12:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying that. I still worry about other cases though. I've seen people on Wikipedia try and cling on to free pics when the person releasing them has second thoughts. As a courtesy to living people, I think we should allow removal of such pictures if they change their minds, as they are still replaceable. Of course, we can't do anything if someone else has taken a copy and modified it, etc. Carcharoth 12:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
Thank you, Quadell. I will review the policy and examine the image more carefully.
Liastnir 22:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Michele Merkin images
Sorry for the hassle you've been getting over the images - I, anyway, appreciate what you're doing to promote the acquisition of free content. Keep it up! Videmus Omnia Talk 23:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Polbot (USDA Plants Database)
I suggest that you can use Polbot to autogenerate some articles based on Download a US State PLANTS Checklist and US Complete PLANTS Checklist --Ricardo 23:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think there's enough information at those sources to make even a stub article. Too bad. Thanks for looking for ways to improve Wikipedia though! – Quadell (talk) (random) 11:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Help?
Sorry, I just was looking for a user that was actively on Wikipedia right now, and I saw you on recent changes. I need you help with an article I am fixing up. On Dookie, I made two different sections, Writing and composition, and an Accolade section. However, for some reason, the Accolade section is getting mixed into the Writing and composition section! Can you please help me fix this? Xihix 00:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I fixed it. The problem was, you had lots of ref tags that said <ref name="vh1 interview">. All ref tags either have to have a closing tag (</ref>), or else have a slash at the end. I changed all but the first to say <ref name="vh1 interview" />, and that fixed the problem. See, without the slash, the wikicode kept looking for the next </ref>, and ate up large parts of the article.
- By the way, you can ask these sorts of questions at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance), and someone there will help you (if I'm not around). All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot man, I owe you (well, I don't know how I'd be any help to an admin!). Again, thanks a lot, and thanks for assistance place link. Xihix 00:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Help Desk can be helpful as well. Carcharoth 10:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Image:Portamenti.png
Hi, I notice this illustration in the portamento article was deleted July 9 for missing tags. I've had some trouble with tags (and did supply a prose explanation), and am now in doubt as to whether it was in fact untagged or whether DP-US is considered problematic. Even if European copyright of the Bartók example is an issue, all 10 fair use criteria are met and I'd be willing to try again with that template if you take exception to the tags I thought I was adding. Sparafucil 08:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Greetings. European copyright isn't an issue; PD-US is just fine. But what is the source of the image? Where does it come from? Thanks, – Quadell (talk) (random) 10:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I take it the the PD tags were attached- I vagueley remember trying twice... I engraved it myself from the Ricordi & Universal ed.'s of the works described in the caption; in the absence of a music markup program such screen shots seem to be the only way to go. Is there a template that should cover such cases? Sparafucil 20:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Londo06
You seem to have deleted a number of images uploaded by myself. I was going to fix these images with proper licences following the wiki changes. I don't recall your name being attached to the images. Could they be made available so I could implement these updates and fair game for wikipedia. Londo06 11:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Image:LoteTuqiri.JPG , Image:JamiePeacock.JPG , Image:WayneBennett.JPG , Image:WillieManu.JPG , Image:TeamGB.JPG - was unclear, thought it was just an editor being mischevious. Londo06 12:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ooh, sorry, I can't restore those. Now that I look at them, I see that they are "replaceable fair use" images. That means that they're non-free (copyrighted), but the subjects shown are still alive and could still be photographed, and those photos could be released under a free license. According to our non-free content policy (specifically criterion #1), we can't use these images on Wikipedia. Sorry! – Quadell (talk) (random) 12:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Polbot
Quadell, for bio pulls from the Congressional bioguide, would it be possible for Polbot to add {{Project Congress}} to the talk page? Videmus Omnia Talk 15:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'll do that for future ones. (It would be harder to change existing ones though.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through Polbot's contributions, trying to work out where it had got to, and I was slightly swamped by the animals and plants. Is there a way to easily separate out the different Polbot functions? Maybe you could list the start and end dates of the various runs? I wanted to check whether the idea to link to the actual articles on the numbered US congresses came to anything. Carcharoth 16:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know of any way to separate out previous runs. (In a few cases, I ran multiple functions simultaneously.) I can list start/end times in the future though. To your specific query, no, I never implemented that function. I played around with it a little, but it turned out to be too difficult. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- B...b...but, it's so easy! :-) (Well, I should probably write and run a bot before saying that). You don't have to link all the congresses, just the ones mentioned in the text (usually the start and end ones). Is that not possible? Carcharoth 16:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- What would you do with "elected to the twenty-fifth and two succeeding congresses"? – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I would rail curses on the people that wrote such a phrase that cunningly uses the imprecision of the English language to separate the ordinal number from its object! :-) And then I would go and learn perl so that I could tell the bot to "look" for ordinal numbers next to or 'close' to congress or congresses. But that does increase the possibilities for error. Seriously, though, someone should get a list of all the US representatives (and senators) and use AWB to link them to their congresses. Semi-automation is a powerful tool when linked to a human checking that the edit 'looks right' and making minor adjustments when needed. So now comes the difficult question... Which do I do first? Do I learn to use AWB, or do I learn perl? :-) Carcharoth 23:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- What would you do with "elected to the twenty-fifth and two succeeding congresses"? – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- B...b...but, it's so easy! :-) (Well, I should probably write and run a bot before saying that). You don't have to link all the congresses, just the ones mentioned in the text (usually the start and end ones). Is that not possible? Carcharoth 16:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Only as good as the data
Sigh! I suppose Polbot is only as good as the data it gets. This feels like a silly mistake by the IUCN website. Carcharoth 16:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, Hawai'i is in the U.S. The IUCN site actually says "United States (Hawaii)", but I truncate out the parentheses. Otherwise you get "United States (Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois. . . 14 other states. . .)" – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ah. That explains it. Thanks. Carcharoth 16:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- HANG ON! Surely Polbot is intelligent enough to realise when there is only one state listed, and to use that instead? :-) Carcharoth 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ah. That explains it. Thanks. Carcharoth 16:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
DRV
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image:CallasVioletta1956.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. The Evil Spartan 16:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
More bio stuff
I was thinking about the bio stuff again, and I was wondering how long it would take to do, and whether (after the testing has finished and it has been approved, obviously!) you would wait until you'd cleared the animal and plant lists, and politician lists? Do you have a timescale for those? On the basis of 380,000 WPBiography articles and 6 edits per minute (or rather, views per minute) I calculate that running over that list would take 1056 hours, or about 44 days. Do you have any thoughts on how best to scale this sort of thing? Seeing as it won't edit every article (and will usually only edit either the page or the talk page, not both), will that speed things up a bit? Will the animals and plants (let alone the politicians) get jealous? :-) Carcharoth 16:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it's six edits per minute, not six reads. In that trial 100, there were 37 records edited, but two of those were adding the Living category, which it won't do in the future, so that's about 6 minutes for 100 edits, or 380 hours. Still a long time. If I left out the writes entirely, only reading the information for humans to fix, I could run it straight through. (Well, not really straight through, since it crashes whenever Wikipedia servers get too slow, so I'd have to run it in manageable chunks.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Do you think the BAG would approve a merely data-gathering exercise? I think just gathering the data would be great, but I also think Polbot is robust enough now to do the DEFAULTSORT and listas standardizing at the same time, so whichever you think is best. Carcharoth 17:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Humble beginnings
I got bored and went all the way back to Polbot's first contribution! Looks like it was born in good working order! BTW, I linked that one to his Congresses, and noticed that 40th United States Congress still had some redlinks. Many of these are probably because of a lack of redirects. I managed to fix Henry H. Van Aernam, B. Frank Whittemore, John Trimble (congressman), George C. Gorham and John V. L. Pruyn, using redirects, but just thought you should be aware of this need to create redirects from alternate names. A better list to find red-links might be List of former members of the United States House of Representatives. Also, someone might want to check George C. Gorham - what does Polbot do if an article already exists? Does it attempt to add biographical information or not? The 40th Congress William Moore was rather discouraging as well, as we have 2 William Moore articles about congressmen already, but not this one. Also "(congressman)" seems to be a common disambiguating paranthetical bit, as well as "(politician)". Hope this isn't too much to take in! :-) Carcharoth 16:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's fine. You really need to learn Perl. :-)
- Yeah, Perlbot tries to make redirects to other names, but she misses some. When the name already exists, but it's not about the Congress member, she creates the article with a more specific name (that I manually choose). She gets her list of names from here, and the names are added to there manually by various volunteers. (There are still more to add.) The people who fill that list are typically careful to avoid existing names. There's no standard, though. I rep from Kansas could be Name (Kansas politician), Name (politician), Name (Representative), Name (Congressmember/man), or even sometimes Name (1844) in those rare cases where two people are both reps for the same state and have identical names. It happens.
- Also. . . when Polbot makes rds, it saves its list of article names that should be rds but are already taken as articles about other people. I store them here, and every so often I populate Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation with human-readable descriptions of these. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hah! Look at all the redlinks I fixed by creating those redirects! <sticks tongue out at Polbot> Humans rulez! (sorry, in a 'humourous' mood at the moment!) Carcharoth 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- In a more serious vein, it looks like the "what links here" lists for each politician could be a good guide to the congress articles. Reverse linking. Can Polbot do that? I guess not, as that really does require a human to discern the reason for the linking before deciding whether and how to link back. Carcharoth 17:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Sheesh, I really need to improve the rd-making task. (Polbot's Function #2). – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Aha! I see the problem. These people weren't categorized as politicians. I had previously gone through and make rds for every article in a politician-related category, but I'd skipped the stubs. :-( – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Some of the redirects might also be in a funny format. Missing middle initials. Can Polbot cope with that? I guess "yes", but you never know. Thanks for reminding me about the name dab suggestions page. I had seen that before, but it can be quite time-consuming, and very annoying when you get borderline cases that might be OK, might be the same, or might be different people. I'm sure I showed you this index and demonstrated how it can help with disambiguation of people with the same name. For example: Neer gets three people, but Neer gets, well, a Dutch village, and there is no dab page for Neer (as far as I can tell). A search for Neer turns up many dead ones as well. Once they are correctly DEFAULTSORTed (now, why does that sound familiar), a dab page can be generated from the index. Well, that's the theory, anyway. Ideally, if Persondata was fully filled in, that could generate a short description and put them in chronological order. Then a human could add a finishing polish by grouping family members, similar people, together, that sort of thing. Only trouble is that many dab pages mix people and other things. Not quite sure how to get round that. Carcharoth 17:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Aha! I see the problem. These people weren't categorized as politicians. I had previously gone through and make rds for every article in a politician-related category, but I'd skipped the stubs. :-( – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Sheesh, I really need to improve the rd-making task. (Polbot's Function #2). – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Trail
Please speedy the image Image:Universityparkstrailmap.jpg, whereas, after review, I think that I might be able to create a free-image in this case. Thanks, --wpktsfs 17:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Striking the correct balance
Hi Quadell, I don't know if we've met, but I've seen you working with image copyright issues recently, and I just wanted to say I think you're doing a very good job of upholding the policy without disregarding the feelings of those who may be upset at image deletions. Cheers. ElinorD (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! It warms my heart to hear. Sometimes I feel like just saying "If you have a question about an image I deleted, don't ask me, read our policy and take it to WP:DR if you have to!", or else I feel like saying "Okay, I give up! Keep your 50-image gallery of Backstreet Boys pics!" But then I remember why I'm doing this: to help people, and to make the Wiki a better place. Comments like yours keep me going, ElinorD. – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Thorsteinngestsson
User:Thorsteinngestsson seems to be making essay/arguement pages . . . I have tagged them all as spam, is that correct or should I be using a different tag? -WarthogDemon 19:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I really don't know, to be honest. I don't work much in that area. You might ask at the Village Pump. – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Special Permission for Cisco Images
Cisco has sent me an email telling me that any image I upload to wiki they grant me permission to use and grant permission under the GNU License.
I hope this puts this issue to rest once and for all. Could you remove the delete tag or am I allowed. Actually I am going to remove it, because I have the permission. I will email it again.
Please let me know any thoughts on this.
Thanks
Al --akc9000 (talk • contribs • count) 21:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's great! Thanks for your patience. Well done! – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey Quadell! You seem to be very active regarding image deletion on en.wikipedia.org and that’s why I contact you. I am not familiar with the procedures here and in this special case the user mentioned above would just revert my edits. The user uploaded hundreds of copyvios on Wikimedia Commons in the past, I am sysop there (and on de.wp) and had to deal with it. A lot of the deleted images were uploaded here as fair use (often with the template {{Non-free poster}} whenever it’s just a photography like thousand others), without providing a fair use rationale but a stunning quality (see Image:Sport Association Dynamo.png and it’s gallery or Image:Dynamoparade in GDR Berlin.png). A lot of images are orphaned, others are clear copyvios (Image:Erich Mielke SV Dynamo.jpg, Image:Single scull.jpg). The same person also used the account „Lucken“ to upload images (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Lucken). Please help me dealing with this user on your platform. Thank you in advance, --Polarlys 23:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)