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: Thanks for your reply on my talk page. I understand the reasoning behind discounting submissions from this source. But that said, the book is listed under FURTHER READING, which to my mind obviates the necessity for a book so listed to be referenced or quoted within the article in question. Furthermore, had someone other than the publisher listed this work under Further Reading, no one would be questioning it now, I believe, because it seems to be a completely legitimate book, available through WorldCat, published by an (otherwise? ;-)) reputable publisher, and quite pertinent to the topic. So it appears that merely the source of the information is at question, as the information seems (to my mind at least) to be absolutely of value to the article, especially placed as it was. So why can't I now place it as an example for Further Reading? Do we really have to read every book listed under Further Reading in every article in order to legitimize the listing of said books? Is every allowed Further Reading listing actually utilized or quoted in some fashion in the article in which it appears? I sense that this book is being disallowed simply because the publisher had the bad taste to be first to list it, and now no one can. Is there anything we can concur on here? Thanks again for your reply. [[User:Monkeyzpop|Monkeyzpop]] 04:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
: Thanks for your reply on my talk page. I understand the reasoning behind discounting submissions from this source. But that said, the book is listed under FURTHER READING, which to my mind obviates the necessity for a book so listed to be referenced or quoted within the article in question. Furthermore, had someone other than the publisher listed this work under Further Reading, no one would be questioning it now, I believe, because it seems to be a completely legitimate book, available through WorldCat, published by an (otherwise? ;-)) reputable publisher, and quite pertinent to the topic. So it appears that merely the source of the information is at question, as the information seems (to my mind at least) to be absolutely of value to the article, especially placed as it was. So why can't I now place it as an example for Further Reading? Do we really have to read every book listed under Further Reading in every article in order to legitimize the listing of said books? Is every allowed Further Reading listing actually utilized or quoted in some fashion in the article in which it appears? I sense that this book is being disallowed simply because the publisher had the bad taste to be first to list it, and now no one can. Is there anything we can concur on here? Thanks again for your reply. [[User:Monkeyzpop|Monkeyzpop]] 04:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for your nice reply. No apology is necessary, no offense taken. Tell you what I'm going to do. I've got practically everything ever written about Kurosawa in English or Japanese, so it's no skin off my back to pick up this new book. I'm ordering a copy. I'll look it over and see if it's indeed legit and then list or not list as appropriate. That'll settle it -- until someone who thinks Kurosawa is a make of motorcycle comes along and deletes it! [[User:Monkeyzpop|Monkeyzpop]] 22:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Edit Counter
I am not very handy with computer stuff so when I found this simple edit counter on another users page I wanted to add it to mine to make it easier to find my count. http://tools.wikimedia.de/~tangotango/editcount.php MarnetteD | Talk 16:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Sandbox
I am using this space to create my sandbox. MarnetteD | Talk 20:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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Laurence Olivier
It's usually Americans that assume that all Knights are KBEs or try to include all someone's various honours like "Sir Laurence, Lord Olivier" -- SteveCrook 01:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
My second revert at Pan's Labyrinth
My edit was accidentally submitted when I tried to add an edit summary, so I'm telling you here instead.
The plot is excessive. Last time I checked it was just at the border of the maximum limit according to the style guidelines, which is really only warranted for an exceptionally complicated plot, which Pan's Labyrinth does not have.
The fact that I hope to fix it some time is irrelevant. The tag should stay because then someone else may decide to fix the problem before I get the time to do it (I'm very busy right now). I can appreciate how annoying tags can be sometimes, but this tag clearly belongs. Atropos 23:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- The summary isn't even close to being excessive and guidelines at wikiP are not hard and fast rules. More than 10 days have gone by and (your hopes aside), as with so many editors who apply tags without supplying alternatives, you aren't willing or able to edit what is already so well done there. Above and beyond this many have come to the page, since your post, and been fine with what is there so edit or get off the pot. Your anxieties would be so much better directed to pages like the Lair of the White Worm plot summary. MarnetteD | Talk 10:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Ben Kingsley
How extraordinarily odd! That wasn't one of the edits I intended to make. I can only assume (a) my finger went somewhere strange while I wasn't watching - but if so, it made 3 separate keystrokes on its little journey off with the fairies - or (b) the software had a brain spasm. I'm going with (b). I've removed it now. Thanks for the alert, MarnetteD, and for the compliment. :) JackofOz 00:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Films roll call
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Leo Genn
The things like 'notable roles' aren't part of an 'Infobox person', they are part of the 'Infobox actor' -- SteveCrook 17:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, too
I noticed your corrections, and your warning, as well. Yes, it appears to be a fan of one or two particular contemporary artists, doing a little publicity on their behalf. Thanks for your message, and keep up the good work. JNW 00:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
There were quite a few more, from earlier this year, most of which I've reverted. It is possible that this person was plugging his own work by inserting his name into articles on famous artists and musicians--vandalism, Wikipedia style. JNW 03:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Palin
I think it can stay, I also don't care that much since I am not a big fan of infoboxes anyway. :) Perhaps it is not a real official site, but it's the closest thing to something like that. He also posts now and then a personal message on it. Regarding the commercial nature, since you can read all his travel books for free on the site, that doesn't worry me much. Garion96 (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I see you have made a lot of contributions to the Vincent Price article. Please refer to the talk page, as I have added a new sources tag that best fits my concern. FamicomJL 02:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Laurence Olivier
13:42 Laurence Olivier (diff; hist)...(→Vivien Leigh - disambig a lazily added link)
i gotta tell you....i just love your commentary. cheers! --emerson7 | Talk 06:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Torchwood
I just want to confirm this; when BBC America airs Torchwood on tv, they cut stuff out for time, but they have the full version OnDemand? --DrBat 17:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. :) --DrBat 20:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The Shining
This point has puzzled me ever since I saw the film, and maybe you can explain it. How is it that Scatman's character could sense that the kid was in danger, all the way from Florida, but couldn't sense that he himself was in danger from a malevolent guy hiding behind some object 10 feet away from him? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's not got to do with the future, it's got to do with the present. Wouldn't he "sense" that an evil guy was standing behind something waiting for him? Just a simple "yes" or "no", and I'll understand the concept. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- And as far as "fancruft" is concerned, I only saw it once. And when this guy who supposedly has ESP was surprise-attacked, it didn't make sense to me, and harmed the credibility (so to speak) of the movie. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- I ask again, a simple question, based on your perception of the book and/or film: Does he or does he not have the ability to sense danger. And I say again, it's not about precognition or telling the future, it's merely about sensing the "presence of evil". Please just try to answer that question, so I can let this subject drop. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- OK, so his psychic abilities are limited to telepathy with others who have this talent. That explains it. Thank you! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 05:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I ask again, a simple question, based on your perception of the book and/or film: Does he or does he not have the ability to sense danger. And I say again, it's not about precognition or telling the future, it's merely about sensing the "presence of evil". Please just try to answer that question, so I can let this subject drop. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- And as far as "fancruft" is concerned, I only saw it once. And when this guy who supposedly has ESP was surprise-attacked, it didn't make sense to me, and harmed the credibility (so to speak) of the movie. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
2001 Monolith
Hi, thanks for you comments!
Yes, thank goodness for DVDs restoring all those scenes. I have a lot of my favorite shows on DVDs now (including, not surprisingly, Doctor Who -- can't wait for the official Series 3 DVDs).
Anyway, yes the monolith in 2001 does serve the function of transporting the characters and viewers into the world of the fantastic (just remember that at the end of the movie it turned into a gateway), but the big difference between that and, say, the TARDIS is that the monolith isn't (or isn't disguised as) a mundane object. To the ape-men it's a new and unusual thing. Even to the audience, it's rather a strange object: it's not something you see every day.
Nice chatting with you. DonQuixote 10:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Actor categories for deletion
I would really appreciate your view on Category:Western film actors and Category:Spaghetti Western actors up for deletion. I know you don't often comment in afds but PLease see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 September 16#Actors by genre . The only alterative would be to create lists but I'd imagine these wouldn't suffice an article either. There are many actors associated with this genre including many who only appeared in them. I'd love to hear your view on it thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 13:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Flags
Maybe you should wait for the flag suggestion to become policy before you make large numbers of changes to Wikipedia. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
RE: 70.20.46.65
I have asked for a temp block on User_talk:70.20.46.65 at:
...if you want to chime in or revise request. IP4240207xx 02:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
OK. I definitely won't edit-war with you about it. But I can confirm that I really do have all 37 plays on DVD in the "complete dramatic works..." series right here with me in this room. AndyJones 19:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it is great to have a full set, although I did spend a whole year's bonus on it, only to find that the whole lot went on general release in the UK a few years later at about a quarter of what I'd paid! This isn't a moan, I made the right decision to buy them at the time and they're a great resource: especially for the less popular plays. AndyJones 19:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The tag
Hello, MarnetteD, thanks for telling me. :) I was typing so fast I had forgotten to put an additional "-" between the "pp" and the "semi". Thanks! :) Acalamari 19:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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Scrooby
Hello! I do not know how to respond properly, so I am trying this way. This is just to say that I am stunned that you have taken away some if not all of my links to my various pages, and accused me of some sort of spamming. It saddens me that links that have been available for so long, have all of a sudden, today, been removed. I find it very unfair, to say the least. If in fact you took issue with the general link to the Kubrick page, I counter this with: how come the link to the Italian essay is available on both the general Kubrick page and also the "Barry Lyndon" page? How come you had no decision on that? Especially when everything available on my site is scholarly. And why you removed my Schnittke link is another blow, since I have it linked to nowhere else. And especially my link to my "Comus Downgraded" at the Milton (Comus) site. Obviously my writings are very different, so to call these various links spam or simply reiteration is clearly not a correct description. I am amazed that you could would do this to me.
You have responded with the comment "I am sorry to say that the links you have added clearly do not meet wikipedia's criteria" but you have not in the slightest degree explained or demonstrated how this is so, with respect to the other links made available on the various sites.
Moreover, you acted in a reckless manner when you removed the link to my site at the Eyes Wide Shut page, considering that I had nothing to do with the introduction of that link in the first place, and I suppose a look back to the history would have revealed as such. Hence, I can only conclude that the decisions taken are spur-of-the-moment and anything but considered.
- Replies to these unsigned edits have been made here [1] and here [2]. A perusal of the website in question shows it to be one persons view of Kubrick's work. While this is fine in its own right it seems inappropriate as a link here at wikipedia based on WP:EL. MarnetteD | Talk 22:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, all the fight has gone out of me. For me this has been a year of one absurdity after another and I simply can't handle any more of it. When you say "one persons [sic] view -- it's "one person's view", mind you, you who are supposedly judging what is scholarly and what is not -- you seem to suggest any other link involves some other type of view -- perhaps an alien from outer space's view. All I know is that over 50 countries a month access my Eyes Wide Shut page, and just last week I received favorable feedback from a grateful reader. Scholars have commented as well. But all the fight has gone out of me. You have become the last straw. I give up. All I can say is that I believe that it is your behavior that is inappropriate. It has left me very sad and distressed, but no matter to you, you remain hidden. All I can point out is this: you can speak of "rules and regulations" all you want, but it is you, not those rules, which makes the decision. You can't hide behind them. I believe you are grossly misinterpreting the rules and regulations, but since I have no rights in the matter, I give up. The Eyes Wide Shut page, at least, will be the worse for it (no big deal, I guess, to anyone). Lastly, you fail to mention why you have removed my link to the Schnittke page (purely scholarly article), and the John Milton page. But no matter, I am forgetting wikipedia exists, because this last absurdity in a year of absurdities has left me heartsick. I cannot deal with some mysterious person who hides behind a fake name and parrots rules and regulations without proper explication. I believe your comments were not only simple but simplistic, and hence insulting to what I have done, and the contribution I have made to wikipedia. I have said my peace now. You have left me sad and dismayed and all the fight is gone. One can't fight absurdity ("one persons view" -- an editor (American-schooled) without proper grammar is interpreting what I have done! Such audacity!); I simply slink away slump-shouldered, shaking my head, and agreeing with all of the negative comments that have ever been said about Wikipedia at any time -- in any universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrooby (talk • contribs) 23:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Needed reply
Well, lets see.
- I mentioned signing your edits several times during this discourse including giving the exact instructions how to do this. I also provided several links to explain the policies that were being applied yet, as near as I can tell, you did not read any of them. Your obvious inability to learn about wikipolicy is your fault, not mine.
- A typo suddenly makes you an intellectual superior. Your use of the phrase "Shot by Shot: an deep analysis" in one of your link descriptions might show some of the flaws in this idea.
- If your page gets hits from all over the world what do you need the links here for? How can it be cutoff from people? If the only hits to your webpage are from readers at wikipedia then that is the very definition of the self promotion aspect of the external link policy?
- The nine edits that you made in your time here at wikipedia were all to add links to your webpage so your value to the project will remain unknown.
- Remaining anonymous on the web is a well justified right. Your hypocrisy in this is a bit shocking as I notice that you are not using your real name as an editor here.
- Your insulting snobbishness, combined with you incessant whining, makes me happy that I wasn't schooled in the same manner as you.
- Lots of claims can be made about the usefulness of your webpages. Evidence of this would seem to be lacking. At least now you will now be able to focus on them exclusively. Wikipedia will survive in all of its positive and negative aspects whether you or I edit on it or not. MarnetteD | Talk 01:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Continuing dispute
- This user claims to have left wikipedia. He has also requested that his real name be removed because I have used it on some discussion pages. It needs to be noted that he used it in his external links and he was the first to use it in any discussions when he used it as the section header at the beginning of this message (now changed). I think that it is a shame, but not unexpected, that he did not ask to have the numerous personal attacks that he made on me removed as well. MarnetteD | Talk 02:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- Please replace any instance of his real name with Scrooby. Fred Bauder 04:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
It has now come to my attention that those who use the true name behind an anonymous username get banned immediately. If this is true, then editor MarnetteD should be banned immediately, for he has repeatedly used my real name on various pages. I am now in correspondence with Wikipedia on this issue. scrooby 07:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- I knew that you wouldn't be able to leave gracefully. It will be quite easy for any admin that you wish to go and lodge your complaint with to find that you were the first to use your name, as you did in the when you first typed in the section above. You also used it repeatedly in your many efforts to keeps your website (which uses your true name) as an external link and in your many atrocious personal attacks on me. Perhaps, one day, you may become a true scholar. But you have a lot of growing up to do before that can happen. MarnetteD | Talk 11:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
New Information
To any who might be trying to follow this some new information has come to light. A sockpuppet request has been filed. On that request page wknight94 found this as the first time that the website was entered on the EWS page. The IP was from Montreal, Canada. You will note that the entry was made on August 8, 2006. Upon doing a little further research it turns out that there was an earlier attempt to add the webpage in question. In fact it turns out that the first time that it was entered was here [3] on July 4, 2006. CRCulver deleted it as linkspam (unfortunately it looks as though this member is no longer editing at wikipedia.) A brief edit war over its inclusion ensued culminating in this [4]. You will note that the IP address is 143.167.143.177. This address tracks to Sheffield, England. When you combine that with this information [5] where Scrooby states that he went to the University of Sheffield, you will find that it is possible (I would say probable) that Scrooby was involved from the start. The connection to Montreal will remain unknown, but, it may have been easier for Scrooby to repeatedly swear on a stack of bibles (which may be shrinking) that he didn't make the original entry when he was aware of who had made it. I have noted this on the sockpuppet case page (in an altered form) but rather than make you readers search for it I wanted to put all of the information here. Especially in light of the numerous legal threats that Scrooby has made. MarnetteD | Talk 15:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- The sockpuppet case has been considered proven and this single purpose user has been blocked from further editing. His personal attacks on me remain in several locations so it should be noted that I take no pleasure from anything that has happened. I simply have Wikipedia's best interests at heart and will continue to try and protect them as best I can. MarnetteD | Talk 19:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- One last item Scrooby claimed that he was not User:Ouillah and at one point said that he did not even know what a sockpuppet was. I just came upon these two little gems [6], [7] which only confirms how deceitful he was willing to be in this situation. MarnetteD | Talk 15:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
RFC:Conductor infoboxes
i know canvassing is a bit tacky, but currently underway is an attempt by a just a few editors to prohibit the use of infoboxes in articles of all classical musicians. in my view, the manner in which the policy was adopted was just a bit underhanded, and skeevishly done. if you are at all interested keeping the infoboxes, please go here and join the discussion. if you just don't care, or would like to loose them...well...just ignore this message. cheers! --emerson7 01:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Moving the sandbox
I think you meant to create your sandbox in your user space ranther than a main article, so I've taken the liberty of moving it to User:MarnetteD/Sandbox. Hope that helps! -- ArglebargleIV 21:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi MarnetteD. It's precisely because I'm not familiar with the situation's entire history (and because I have little or no experience editing film articles and, more specifically, applying WP:EL to determine what constitutes a suitable external link on a film article that I tried to open up some discussion on the talk page. I would note that if he is telling the truth about it being somebody other than him who added the link in the first place, updating the url would not be a violation of any portion of WP:EL of which I'm aware. I'd personally rather see discussion centre around whether the link would be worthy of inclusion absent any COI issues, since those are murky at best. On the civility front, I agree that User:Scrooby has been uncivil. In fact, I posted as much last night ([8]). Finally, I trust you're aware of this, but if you think User:Scrooby has been using socks to circumvent the anti-COI provisions of WP:EL, you should report this at WP:SSP. Sarcasticidealist 13:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that his behaviour in this regard is problematic, and have advised him on the article's talk page that I don't consider the matter resolved. But I still think that the real question is whether this link is a useful one to have in the article. If it isn't, it should be deleted regardless of who added it. If it is, then likely somebody will re-add it even if we delete it under WP:EL's spam provisions. Either way, whether or not Scrooby violated WP:EL by putting the link in himself becomes a secondary question.
- I also want to make it clear that when I say that I'm assuming good faith, that doesn't mean that I think you're out to lunch in believing that Scrooby added the link himself. Instead, it means that I think that both your explanation for how the link got there and mine are reasonable explanations, and that WP:AGF requires us to work under the assumption that mine is correct (even though it's entirely possible that yours is correct).
- I think you and I might have gotten off on the wrong foot, here. I'm very much not on Scrooby's side (not that you've accused me of being). I just want to see this resolved, and in order for it to be resolved you either need to resolve the question of whether Scrooby is abusing sockpuppets (which will require you to go to WP:SSP) or find a different basis on which to argue removal. Just asserting on the talk page that he's using socks to promote his own sites isn't going to get us anywhere. Sarcasticidealist 21:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've added some background to your WP:SSP alert - thanks for going there, I really believe that that's the appropriate place. In the meantime, I'd encourage you to participate in the debate at the article's talk page, if one develops. Sarcasticidealist 23:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm fully aware that an editor is not allowed to link to his/her own website. We don't know that that's what happened here, unless we ascertain that Scrooby used socks. According to Scrooby, somebody else added the link, in which case the rule that you can't add a link to your own website is inapplicable.
- I do apologize for accusing you of being unwilling to take this to WP:SSP. That was a conclusion to which I jumped after seeing you take it to WP:ANI after I had repeatedly advised you to take it to WP:SSP. I'm glad that it's there now, in any event. Sarcasticidealist 23:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've added some background to your WP:SSP alert - thanks for going there, I really believe that that's the appropriate place. In the meantime, I'd encourage you to participate in the debate at the article's talk page, if one develops. Sarcasticidealist 23:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all of your research on this. He and I have been in correspondence off-wiki, and it doesn't sound like he's going to actually pursue legal action (although he has my address, if he decides he wants to). In fact, despite the fact that I am "idiotic and absurd, pigheaded and redundant", he thinks that I should join his beloved Citizendium.[9] In any event, this is mercifully behind us now. I'm sorry we got off on rather the wrong foot; I'm just a stickler for WP:AGF, even in cases such as this one, when it turns out that people who aren't buying good faith are correct. You're clearly a good editor and an asset to the project, and if there's ever anything I can do for you please let me know. Sarcasticidealist 17:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- No offense taken. As for grammar, I agree that good grammar is not an absolute prerequisite to contributing to Wikipedia (see, for example, my comments here). My path often crosses that of User:Cloveious who, despite his non-perfect grammar, is certainly one of Wikipedia's most valuable contributors on Canadian politics.
- As for the personal attacks, you are actually incorrect that they can't be removed. As long as you confine yourself to removing the attacks themselves, as opposed to the entire paragraphs/passages in which they're found, you can certainly delete them (or archive them if you prefer, as long as you're not doing damage to ongoing conversations). Just note that that's what you're doing in the edit summaries and you shouldn't get any trouble from anybody. Sarcasticidealist 21:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Kurosawa Book
A couple of questions regarding your position in the back and forth on the Kurosawa book listing: Can you point me to a WP guideline that says that nothing can be added if it's somehow beneficial to the person adding it? I'm not trying at all to be argumentative, not a bit. It's just that I get the impression that your position on this is that an otherwise legitimate entry in an article is not allowable if it's submitted by someone with something to gain by its promotion. Is that an across-the-board rule? And also, just technically, how did you know it was submitted by the publisher? All I saw was an IP address. At any rate, it's a new, legitimately published book very much apropos to a page on Kurosawa, and had I known about the book previously, I'd have submitted a reference to it to Kurosawa's article anyway. So please consider the current embodiment of the reference to be mine and not the publisher's. Thanks! Monkeyzpop 01:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply on my talk page. I understand the reasoning behind discounting submissions from this source. But that said, the book is listed under FURTHER READING, which to my mind obviates the necessity for a book so listed to be referenced or quoted within the article in question. Furthermore, had someone other than the publisher listed this work under Further Reading, no one would be questioning it now, I believe, because it seems to be a completely legitimate book, available through WorldCat, published by an (otherwise? ;-)) reputable publisher, and quite pertinent to the topic. So it appears that merely the source of the information is at question, as the information seems (to my mind at least) to be absolutely of value to the article, especially placed as it was. So why can't I now place it as an example for Further Reading? Do we really have to read every book listed under Further Reading in every article in order to legitimize the listing of said books? Is every allowed Further Reading listing actually utilized or quoted in some fashion in the article in which it appears? I sense that this book is being disallowed simply because the publisher had the bad taste to be first to list it, and now no one can. Is there anything we can concur on here? Thanks again for your reply. Monkeyzpop 04:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your nice reply. No apology is necessary, no offense taken. Tell you what I'm going to do. I've got practically everything ever written about Kurosawa in English or Japanese, so it's no skin off my back to pick up this new book. I'm ordering a copy. I'll look it over and see if it's indeed legit and then list or not list as appropriate. That'll settle it -- until someone who thinks Kurosawa is a make of motorcycle comes along and deletes it! Monkeyzpop 22:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Frank Dunlop
You will be interested to see my completely new article on the British theatre director Frank Dunlop, whose career was so creative and influential, that I was astonished no-one had written about him, other than a brief mention under Nottingham Playhouse.
Best wishes John Thaxter 22:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)