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:{{ping|Levivich}} I did not write anything in her biographical article. The whole situation is in a state of war, and we should be particularly careful because Russian propaganda is active and most capable of organising such actions. We are bombarded with fake news from every side, constantly, and the same goes for the Ukrainian side. Sometimes it is better to write nothing at all than to allow space for a controlled narrative.[[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus#top|talk]]) 19:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC) |
:{{ping|Levivich}} I did not write anything in her biographical article. The whole situation is in a state of war, and we should be particularly careful because Russian propaganda is active and most capable of organising such actions. We are bombarded with fake news from every side, constantly, and the same goes for the Ukrainian side. Sometimes it is better to write nothing at all than to allow space for a controlled narrative.[[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus#top|talk]]) 19:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC) |
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I noticed your work in your sandbox, more precisely the section '''Lord families in 15th century Lithuania''' in [[User:Marcelus/sandbox2#Lord_families_in_15th_century_Lithuania]]. Because finding Lithuanian-language names could be very time-consuming for you, I thought that perhaps I could offer to add the Lithuanian-language names next to the Polish-language ones you have already written down. It's totally up to you, I myself would be very sceptical of allowing others to edit my sandbox, but I thought you might appreciate my suggestion.--[[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 21:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Citations needed
Please can you provide some citations for the additions you made to the article on Lviv.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:30, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Citation
Hi, in this edit you added information cited to "Buchowski", but did not add any more info about this source -- it is a book or an article? what's the title? when was it published? how one could find this source and verify the information? Can you add the full citation to the source? Preferably using the {{cite book}} or {{cite journal}} template. Thanks! Renata (talk) 05:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, you are still doing it -- adding abbreviated references without also adding the full citation. Please fix. Examples Kingdom of Lithuania, Pact of Vilnius and Radom, History of Vilnius (1), History of Vilnius (2), Skirgaila, Tokhtamysh. Thanks, Renata (talk) 00:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I see you added frost to the articles - thank you, but you have cited other books as well - "Halperin" in Tokhtamysh, Januszewska-Jurkiewicz & Mačiulis, Staliūnas & Stankeras in History of Vilnius. Please add those citations as well. Renata (talk) 03:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Answer
I will answer both of you at once here. Pofka and Itzhak Rosenberg.
According to the studies of Jerzy Suchocki [1] at the turn of 14th-15th century 97% of the office helders in GDL were ethnic Lithuanians, in the mid of 15th century the percentage of Ruthenians jumped to 19%, in the 2nd half it was 37% and at the beginning of the next century 41%. So as you can see basically after the death of Vytautas the influence of Ruthenian elite was growning steadily. Maybe they weren't allowed to live in a castle complex, but surely they were living in the city.
Pofka try to hold your horses because I will have to report your behaviour, don't blame of sentiments I do not have - I never said anything anti-Lithuanian or humilated Lithuanian language, don't say anything like that again.
I didn't say that Jogaila prefered Ruthenian over Lithuanian, I just said that he surely knew both. That's all. And actually it's probable that he didn't learn Polish, I think he was fully able to comunicate with Polish lords in Ruthenian.
Itzhak Rosenberg I don't think we can't talk about some tensions between ethnically Lithuanian and Ruthenian great families after the Union of Lublin, they were all pretty much polonised and formed together political nation of Ukraine. But certainly there was many Ruthenian powerful nobles on the territory of GDL after Lublin Marcelus (talk) 22:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Very interesting source, unfortunately, I can't access it anywhere... The numbers are fascinating, yet at the start of the 16th century, there were still sizeable Ruthenian lands that were part of GDL, most of which was ceded to Poland after the Lublin Union (let's remember that Lithuania Propria's lands in modern-day Belarus are often overlooked). Of course, there were Ruthenians, but the Lithuanian element in the Ruthenian lands of Ukraine naturally decreased over time, as I know for sure they often married into the local nobility, so over a few generations, they practically became locals.
- I would be wary talking about the political nation of Ukraine, because from what I understand, a somewhat sovereign Ukraine started with the Cossack Hetmanate and they were very against the szlachta, which is very understandable considering their relations and how they already had many previous Cossack uprisings.
- Considering the smaller size of GDL post-Lublin, the Lithuanian nobility dominated the state once more, although with increased Ruthenian involvement relative to the times of Vytautas the Great. --Itzhak Rosenberg (talk) 10:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- I will not discuss anything serious with a person who purposefully presents Ruthenian and Polish languages names of the Lithuanian CoA as superior, "accurate" and absolutely excludes the Lithuanian names. All names of the CoA of Lithuania are listed here: Coat of arms of Lithuania#Origins of the word Vytis and other names without excluding any, thus we do not attempt to present any languages as irrelevant, unlike you. Your anti-Lithuanian opinion was more than clear when you excluded Waikymas / Vytis. The Lithuanians did not created article named Waikymas or Vytis and did not presented these names as exclusively "accurate names", like you did. I have better things to do than discuss anti-Lithuanian sentiment again and again. Have a good day, -- Pofka (talk) 17:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Hi, what Discretionary Sanction mean? Why I am being sanctioned? What are the consequences of the sanction? Marcelus (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hi thanks for creating Adam Alfred Plater. Is it based on material translated from another wiki? If so there is a template I need to add to the talk page. Mccapra (talk) 09:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC) |
@Mccapra: It's a translation of mine article from Polish wiki. Thanks for the strawberries! Marcelus (talk) 09:36, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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Vandalism from a IP user
Hello, I just saw you post on the talk page of an IP user that they are vandalizing a page that you watch, and I’m also dealing with vandalism from that same user. I would greatly appreciate it if you could report them as you threatened to as I don’t know how to do that. All I know how to do is ask for page protection. VictimOfEntropy (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- @VictimOfEntropy: I am still hoping he stops his conduct, but I am planning to report him if he won't Marcelus (talk) 21:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
@Marcelus: It looks like we still haven’t gotten any word from him, and my request for page protection was denied. Unfortunately, the issue is compounded by the fact that, by undoing the restoration edit I did, this user is also restoring false information that another user put on the page every time, so it’s been made to look like there’s a dispute there when there isn’t. I just wish I could get a reassurance that that isn’t going to happen again. I’m wondering if I should just go ahead and add what our vandal wanted to add to the page just in case that would stop him from reverting everything. VictimOfEntropy (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Well, I went ahead and altered the page in a way that one of the things he wanted to be added could be added. There’s nothing I can justifiably do about the category that’s only meant for real people, not fictional characters, though. Hopefully the page won’t be messed up again.
I think your threat to report him may well have been what cooled him down long enough for me to find a way to make that edit he wanted to the page. Thank you for that. Let’s hope that he won’t vandalize the Hannibal Lecter page or the page that you’re watching again. VictimOfEntropy (talk) 22:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- @VictimOfEntropy: No problem, let's hope that was the end of it Marcelus (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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BLP vio
I have removed the thread you started at Marina Ovsyannikova, and what I initially wrote there I want to write here instead: "There is a strong possibility that the whole action was orchestrated" is a borderline WP:BLP violation. Please be more cautious in the future about what you write about living people on Wikipedia. Generally, avoid making any statements about a living person unless you link to a reliable source in the statement. If the statement is negative or controversial about the living person, then never make it unless you link to reliable sources supporting the allegation. You asked what specific rule you violated; please read the introduction to WP:BLP. Levivich 19:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Levivich: I did not write anything in her biographical article. The whole situation is in a state of war, and we should be particularly careful because Russian propaganda is active and most capable of organising such actions. We are bombarded with fake news from every side, constantly, and the same goes for the Ukrainian side. Sometimes it is better to write nothing at all than to allow space for a controlled narrative.Marcelus (talk) 19:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- In the introduction to WP:BLP it explains that BLP policy applies to any page, including talk pages (including this page). Levivich 19:47, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Offer
Hello Marcelus :) I noticed your work in your sandbox, more precisely the section Lord families in 15th century Lithuania in User:Marcelus/sandbox2#Lord_families_in_15th_century_Lithuania. Because finding Lithuanian-language names could be very time-consuming for you, I thought that perhaps I could offer to add the Lithuanian-language names next to the Polish-language ones you have already written down. It's totally up to you, I myself would be very sceptical of allowing others to edit my sandbox, but I thought you might appreciate my suggestion.--Cukrakalnis (talk) 21:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- ^ Formowanie się i skład narodu politycznego w Wielkim Księstwie Litewskim późnego średniowiecza, „Zapiski Historyczne”, vol. 48, 1983, p. 31-78.