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I'm sorry to report it doesn't look like we can promote you to an administrator this time, per a detailed bureaucrat discussion that failed to generate a meaningful consensus to promote you based on your request for adminship. I think the community has spoken that you are still a valued contributor and with time and good behavior, will win over the community to win its support. Sorry, and better luck next time. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]''' ([[User_talk:Andrevan|talk]]) 08:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
I'm sorry to report it doesn't look like we can promote you to an administrator this time, per a detailed bureaucrat discussion that failed to <s>generate</s> ''find within the community's response'' a meaningful consensus to promote you based on your request for adminship. I think the community has spoken that you are still a valued contributor and with time and good behavior, will win over the community to win its support. Sorry, and better luck next time. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]''' ([[User_talk:Andrevan|talk]]) 08:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:This is just a note to bring some proper closure to the situation. I've gone ahead and archived the discussion completely, following WJBscribe's final remark. I echo Andre and wish you the best in the future. —<strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 13:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
:This is just a note to bring some proper closure to the situation. I've gone ahead and archived the discussion completely, following WJBscribe's final remark. I echo Andre and wish you the best in the future. —<strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 13:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Andre's words are just what I wanted to say. I apologize for not making up my mind during the 7 day RfA ... I certainly wasn't ignoring it ... but I definitely would support you next time if there is a next time. -- ''<B>[[User:Soap|Soap]]</B>'' <sup>[[User talk:Soap|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Soap|Contributions]]</sub> 13:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
::Andre's words are just what I wanted to say. I apologize for not making up my mind during the 7 day RfA ... I certainly wasn't ignoring it ... but I definitely would support you next time if there is a next time. -- ''<B>[[User:Soap|Soap]]</B>'' <sup>[[User talk:Soap|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Soap|Contributions]]</sub> 13:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Vanessa Hudgens 2
Juanacho has removed some information AGAIN in the Vanessa Hudgens page. So, since you basically evaluated the page, could you tell him to stop doing those stuff? Please?? I really want to expand the article but he keeps on removing IMPORTANT stuff. Could he get a restraining order from editing that page? He seems to be the only one who keeps on removing stuff there. Kikkokalabud (talk)
- What is your problem? The article uses fan language, and exaggerates the information, I try to discuss. (for example film production, cast, grossing) Juanacho (talk)
Vanessa Hudgens
Hey, I've recently "expanded" the Vanessa Hudgens page. Would it be OK if you evaluate it? I just want to make sure if Juanancho's claims are even legit. He/she's been reverting edits in that page. Thanks for your time! Kikkokalabud (talk)
- Just like details on the career section. I just don't see why Juanancho's been doing all this stuff to that particular page. From start, I admit, I've been wanting to expand the Vanessa Hudgens page. And everytime I do so, he/she objects to them and revert my edits. Just like the alleged rumors he/she claims about Hudgens' involvement in Dead@17. There was a source that says she's already attached. And some details about how critics have expressed their praises towards Hudgens. I've based my edits on numerous artists' articles and they were included. So I don't see no reason why they are being removed numerously by Juanancho. Could you talk to him or something? I really want to report him/her. Kikkokalabud (talk)
- I just reviewed the article, and appears a lot information about her projects and not about her, for example film production information and details of the singles and album promotion, which already appears in the articles cited. Also, information about nude photos already appear in the "controversy" section and other appearances at events and auditions that didn't happened that are not relevant in the article.Juanacho (talk)
Falling Down
How is Twitter a bad source if it is literally her saying what happened? -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- You are gaining the knowledge of when the music video was filmed, which readers would want to know about and why would she lie about it? -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's not like it's super important, but it is notable enough. Plus, obviously the video was shot after the song was recorded (which is not known) and before its release. The exact date is better. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand your view of a better source than a magazine and the actual artist stating it. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- O.K. You were right. That was a weak example, but per the tweet http://twitter.com/selenagomez/status/3319998684, it was filmed on August 15, 2009. This one DOES give a date. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 21:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand your view of a better source than a magazine and the actual artist stating it. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's not like it's super important, but it is notable enough. Plus, obviously the video was shot after the song was recorded (which is not known) and before its release. The exact date is better. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- You are gaining the knowledge of when the music video was filmed, which readers would want to know about and why would she lie about it? -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about this one, http://twitter.com/selenagomez/status/3330282759?
- I think it should be stated, she is on set filming it because she is saying that a picture of the music video is coming soon. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 21:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Why is Twitter not a real source? Magazines, newspapers, and MTV news wouldn't make a report just on how she said she was filming a video that day. And even if they did, it would be based on all of the tweets she made - ex: the Examiner (which was used earlier), http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1617283/20090730/cyrus__miley.jhtml, and http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1618671/20090813/gomez__selena.jhtml. So if reliable sources like those use Twitter as a source, so should we. It is never going to be explicitly said: "Filming my music video for "Falling Down" right now, on August 15." It is a SOURCE. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 22:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- I am stressing over it because it is known, and if you can add it, "why not?" -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 22:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Why is Twitter not a real source? Magazines, newspapers, and MTV news wouldn't make a report just on how she said she was filming a video that day. And even if they did, it would be based on all of the tweets she made - ex: the Examiner (which was used earlier), http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1617283/20090730/cyrus__miley.jhtml, and http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1618671/20090813/gomez__selena.jhtml. So if reliable sources like those use Twitter as a source, so should we. It is never going to be explicitly said: "Filming my music video for "Falling Down" right now, on August 15." It is a SOURCE. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 22:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- I think it should be stated, she is on set filming it because she is saying that a picture of the music video is coming soon. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 21:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Edits
Hey kww, just making sure about something. If on a page lets say it says something sold or made a certain amount of money, and there is no source either there or in the body of the page, can I remove that?Im pretty sure that it falls under my bounds being that its basic editing, but just bc its a number I just want to make sure.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 06:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Well usually I would put a [CN] for that kind of figure, but for this case tell me your opinion. The page I saw is The Adventures of Mimi and in the second paragraph it says it grossed over $26 million, and its based on the not completed chart total that was deleted. So what do you suggest be done for that?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 17:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Requested chart
Per request at WT:RFA, I made File:Enwiki Admin Activity 09 2009.png. It shows that 25% of our most active admins are long-term inactive and that another 15% are at least less active then they use to be. MBisanz talk 12:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
i was right
Seems your over undoing all my Broken Hearted Girl pages didnt work. Theres a full page up now + uve been proven wrong. sorry i LOVE to gloat. Blazemon (talk) 16:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
OMG if you had just sed that in the first place we wouldnt have a problem Blazemon (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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Petergriffin9901
I'd like to bring something to your attention as it seems that Petergriffin9901 edits are all about praise Mariah Carey and discraise other female artists, even after last discussion about this. Before he was blocked, Petergriffin9901 was constantly inflating Mariah Carey sales. Now he is lowering the sales of other female artists.
1. On the My Love Is Your Love album page Petergriffin9901 changed the text under "When You Believe" from "Performed by Whitney Houston & Mariah Carey" to "Performed by Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston". Clearly, so that Carey could be first. According to him even in her own article, Houston can not have her name before Carey. Petergriffin9901 justified his edit saying: "Their names are in that order on the single cover". Just like that, without any effort and dispite the fact that this article is about an album. Well, although I'm not a Whitney Houston fan, I did some searching and after just few minutes I know that on Houston’s album it is written: "When You Believe" (Duet with Mariah Carey from ‘’The Prince Of Egypt’’). And about the single cover - Carey is first on the international releases, but the U.S. covers have Houston's name first.
2. I understand that Petergriffin9901 should ask you before changing numbers. But what about this kind of changes: on Just Whitney he changed text from "has sold approximately one million" to "has sold less than one million". Number stays the same but the meaning does not. Of course he did it so that Houston look worse. But that’s not all. The source given there says clearly: "The album sold only three million copies worldwide, less than a million of which were in the US." And Petergriffin9901 wrote: "Just Whitney has sold less than one million copies worldwide." How can he justify that? I assume he changed it after reading the source.
3. Above are the latest changes. One moth ago, on the “One Sweet Day” he changed the text from “one of the biggest American hits of both Carey's and Boyz II Men's careers” to “the biggest song in Billboard's history” without any references. And he won’t find them as this song is not what he claims it is. Again, all that just for Carey to be the best of all, to glorify her.
I’d like to know your opinion about these edits, especially that Petergriffin9901 is still on probation. And if somehow he will be able to edit Wikipedia on his own, I know there will be many conflicts as he really hasn't changed. Max24 (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, I can explain those two changes. For the Whitney Houston album page, this is the source it had (i did not add it) http://www.rnbhaven.com/90s-music/artists/Whitney-Houston/38 and as you can see it says it sold 3 million copies worldwide and less than a million were in the usa, making what the article said (approximately one million in the usa) not true. All I changed was from that to less than a million in the usa, which is what the source says. 2. for the song on the whitney album 'my love is your love' all i did was change it from whitney houston and mariah carey to mariah carey and whitney houston. The reason is simply because i previously saw that on the article and article cover art and single cover it was written with mariah careys name first, just a simple edit here is the page so u can see it, the page for the song When You Believe. All Max24 is trying to do is sabotage me in every way possible, if you review what i just presented you will see that non of my edits were fake or out of my probation range, Max24 is just throwing any edit i make in hope of getting me banned. Please let me know once you reviewed this,thanks kww.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 04:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
One more thing kww, I did not write it sold 1 million worlwide, if you review the change before mine compared to mine youll see I didnt change the words united states to worldwide, I didnt even read that part, all i changed were the words APPROXIMATELY to LESS THAN.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 04:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Basically Just Whitney is a typo, i was supposed to change the worldwide to United States, but all I got to change was approximately to less than. It was supposed to say exactly like the source, that 'In the united states the album sold less than 1 million. I agree it would have been better to write 3 million worldwide, but as i said it was a typo.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 12:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I understand what your sayin and agree, I wasnt careful enough. But I want to explain that I didnt change the order of the names to glorify Carey, but because I went to its page and its mentioned like that on the page and on the photo and single cover. That is the only reason. Were you able to look at the last comment I left you about eminem?thanks.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 12:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Venezuela charts
Is this chart a part of WP:GOODCHARTS? If so I failed to find it there. And another request, please deal with the above user's request. Petergriffin has been doing the same thing with Madonna articles also. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
There is nothing wrong with what Im doing to the Madonna articles. All I do is review the sources for total album sales, and if it says differently then I change it. You just want to blame it on the fact that it has something to do with Carey. I do the same to her discography page and album pages, if the sales are inflated then I change them.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 12:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Eminem
Hey kww, on the above mentioned in the opening paragraph, i would like to make a change but want to double check with you. It says he sold over 80 million albums and is the best selling artist of the decade. Now first of all these 2 things are not sourced, the source says something else. Second britney spears is the biggest selling artist of the decade not him and there are no sources. So what I would like to do is remove the part that says that he is the biggest selling artist of the decade and put a source for the total album sales being 75 M not 80 M ...this is the source Look Here...thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 06:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Thats what I was just going to show you but it didnt post because of 'edit conflict'. I found that also on the britney page as well, so I would like to add both of those sources and change it from 80M to 75M and the best selling artist in the United States in the 2000s. Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 13:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
So which do you want to me to put, of the decade or of the 2000s? and making sure that that is in the united states right?not worldwide.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 13:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, all of the eminem album pages are very inflated, look at his album pages and discography pages they are all wrong, im going to change them--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
1. Eminem album (encore) it says it sold 20M globally, with no source. I want to put this source which is used in the discography which says 11M Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
What is your response?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 02:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Turkey Top 20
Hi, I'm updating this chart here on wiki and I have an problem. Link to official Turkey Top 20 chart (on Billboard.tr) is not working anymore. I don't know what to do. Have you got sugestion? Thank You --SveroH (talk) 13:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
well, when i try to go to site it says that that web site can not be found. Last week was everything right, and from Monday there is some problem with site. --SveroH (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have just saw question about Croatian singles chart. I'm from Croatia and I'm doing music articles on hr(croatian) wiki. We use Open (Otvoreni) radio as source for Croatian singles chart. We in Croatia don't have official singles chart 8for singles that are not Croatian), but we use Open Radio as source because it plays only music from outside Croatia and it is 3rd most listend radio in Croatia. Open radio singles chart For Croatian music we use this site. It is an official Croatian singles chart but only for Croatian music. --SveroH (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- oh, I didn't know about single network charts. Thanks. I agreen with you. Problem is that we in Croatia don't have official singles chart for singles from outside Croatia, we only have HRTOP20, as you mentioned there], but HRTOP20 is only for Croatian singles. --SveroH (talk) 13:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
soundguardian - well i don't know I'll see. I'll try to find something then I'll tell you. --SveroH (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
soundguardian again - hi I have checked few croatian charts (link link link link link link). On soundguardian says that "I Gotta Feeling" is the most listened song in Croatia. Look on other charts. "I Gotta Feeling" is only on 1 chart. "Paparazzi" is very high too. I haven't found that song on any other chart. "Parla Con Me" - same as Paparazzi. So I think that soundguardian is not good chart. --SveroH (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Stop
These are good edits fix it yourself or let it be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.91.20.43 (talk) 01:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC) Look there are a million computers in the world so it is futile for you to continue as me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.91.20.43 (talk) 01:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Regarding this...
...Thank you. I am not sure what that was all about and asked the editor on his talk page (hopefully my section heading there is not too accusatory as it may have just been an accident or misunderstanding). Anyway, take care. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 02:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The Adventures of Mimi / Encore (album)
Hey kww, I really tried finding a source for both of these pages that weve discussed, and I havent been able to find a source for mimi, or a more current one for eminem. So I am going to proceed and do those two changes as agreed. Thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Mariah Carey discography
Hey kww, in the above mentioned page it says mariah has sold 160 million records. I dont believe this is reliable nor true, so I looked for some sources. I found at least 5 sources that I believe are reliable that say over 200 million albums. Im going to post them so you can review tham.Thanks!
Let me know your feedback, so in the future I can judge whether something is reliable...thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 02:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed now, but thats only on the first two sources. Can you look at the other 3?thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I mean the 3rd-5th doesnt mention that, and the currnet source given on the page is a fansite, so thats why I feel like the bottom 3 would better represent.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright then, Ill just look for some more..:)--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, I found a source from reuters and a few more,take a look.
Let me know what you think..thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
LOL!this is annoying. OK, my question is, lets say Max24 reverts it and his reason is its not reliable, cant you judge and see. I mean I have like 13 sources already, whether some are quotes from wiki or not, but that is 13 and I have a few more..lol. If you dont want to get involved between us,I understand and all i ask is that you review the last 4 sources I have, so I know which ones to present on the talk page. Because Im being honest, Max24 will never agree whether I show him billboard, reuters or anything.
Let me know what you think of these last 4. Im going to post a few on the talk page, Ill post the Fusetv, the insider and if you approve of any of these 4...BTW, Lets say I have like 2 or 3 editors that agree and Mx24 doesnt, doesnt that overrule him?thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 04:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
More Sources
Hey kww, I have found a few more sources.
Im not sure if you saw these yet?
thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 04:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
And even without single which even billboard says she sold over 40 million of, if you add up the current wiki numbers in the discography (which arent all right) it add up to over 170M--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Falling Into You / Let's Talk About Love
Hey kww, I have made a few small edits to these two pages. Im just bringing them to your attention because I know they are territiory of max24. The sources for both were only sources for RIAA certifications, so I changed it from saying 10 million sold in USA and 10 million here to what the source showed which was only RIAA certifications. The worldwide sales of these two albums I left untouched, as they have sources. The reason I feal these edits are in my bounds are because they are clearly contradicting the present source, and all Im doing is rewriting the sentence to mirror the source. I hope you approve as Im really trying to be careful and consistence. So please take a look, thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 10:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I sort of get you, my question is, that lets say it says the abum sold almost 12 million in the usa, and then the source just says certified 10x platinum, what should i do?was it a smart move to change it to just 10x P...thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Good, thats what I thought and did, as it did directly contradict the source. And I know that it isnt going to be certified differently because the albums 15 years old.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 14:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
BTW, Im still waiting for people to agree or disagree on the MCdiscography talk page. When there are a few opinions Ill let you know...:)--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Charts
I didn't know that, but thanks for telling me, I'll try to find more information from the websites you mentioned. Thanks a lot! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uvero (talk • contribs) 11:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Talk on Falling Down
Since he does talk to you, can you convince him to help settle an agreement in Talk:Falling Down (Selena Gomez & the Scene song). I have already wrote a few things, myself. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 03:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Israeli Singles Char
Hi again. I was always wondering if this is an official Israeli singles chart. I've found in a lot of articles link to this web site. I looked to WP:GOODCHARTS, but i haven't found it there. So, is this official singles chart? --SveroH (talk) 08:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, thanks --SveroH (talk) 13:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Re: this edit - d'oh! Now why didn't I think of that? Obvious when you know how, eh? ;-) TFOWRThis flag once was red 13:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Dewan357 sock back as Aamirshkh
Looks like Dewnans sock is back again after his indefinate block hes back on the same articles pushing his pov:[1] same old articles same pov could you use the checkuser please. I suggest you semiprotect the target pages to deal with his sock accounts thankyou. 86.158.232.138 (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Noindex
I just learned something from you, when you added {{NOINDEX}} to a page. I presume you did so because it contained some copyvio, correct? If that is so, then maybe more people should be aware of that. — Sebastian 16:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's not that it's a copyvio, it's that it isn't a real article yet (and won't be until you put it back in article space). Google doesn't understand the difference, and presents a user-space article just like a real one. I don't make any judgment about content, it's just to make sure the outside world doesn't see a non-article as being an article.—Kww(talk) 16:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- I see. I like this because it gives users more time, since it relieves a bit of the pressure to bring userfied pages up to snuff quickly. — Sebastian 16:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thank you --SveroH (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
71.51.105.87 / 78.174.118.202
Hey kww, these two IP vandals have been clearly vandalizing and Ive given them warnings as have others. 71.51.105.87 has been warned 3 times in the last few days and has just vandalized again, and 78.174.118.202 has been warned over 10 times, and has just finished a 3 day block. Please review these as I believe they deserve a full block, thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
RE: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna-Maria Galojan
Thanks for the noindex heads up :) --Saalstin (talk) 13:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
true
you do have a point but wasn't there an actual charting on the Hot 100 on billboard.com --Lizari (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC) indefenitly -Liza --Lizari (talk) 16:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Roger Garth revisited (briefly)
Good catch! I didn't know the backstory, but after seeing that a prior involved account was User:Liddelll, the block was pretty straightforward. Done. —C.Fred (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- I remember the Jaydon incident(s), but I don't remember Garth. —C.Fred (talk) 19:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Boom Boom Pow
Don't know how I misread that. Thanks for the correction. --MartinezMD (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The Marshall Mathers LP
Hey kww, in the reception part of this article it says the album has sold 10M to date in the USA and its sourced. Then in the chart farther down the page it says 11M sold with no source. So I would like to change it to 10M in the chart because that is was is sourced in the above paragraph. Let me now what you think and thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, I found a source from Rolling Stones magazine, claiming it to have sold around 9.4 million in the USA. This is the source Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 23:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
What do you think of the new source?.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 00:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Growth Hormones
Would you say the recent edit made by 207.233.85.131 on this page is vandalizm?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Pastor Theo SPI case
Hey there. Because the Pastor Theo incident is still a sensitive matter, do you think you could forward it to the functionaries mailing list directly, rather than listing it at SPI? Thanks, NW (Talk) 02:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, ArbCom is taking care of that situation. There is no need for a separate SPI case for this. It's been delisted and tucked away in the darkest corners of Wikipedia. Besides, the Arbitrators are also CheckUsers, so they would see the exact same thing as the SPI CheckUsers would. Regards, MuZemike 03:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm at a loss to understand what makes this sensitive. I would recommend that this go to the funct. mailing list iff they posted results publicly. Protonk (talk) 03:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
What is wrong with you
..it states here that multiple accounts are allowed and that "If you have a negative track record and you have decided to make a genuine, clean, and honest new start, and do not wish it to be tarnished by your prior conduct, you can simply discontinue using the old account(s), and create an unconnected new account which becomes the only account you then use, and is used in a good manner"......and thats EXACTLY what im doing and im not using my old account....but everytime i create a new account i get blocked....i dont get it........and im not vandalizing anything...if you check my contributions, all im doing is trying to improve the articles and putting reliable sources and adding correct information..."
Allicansayissalute (talk) 13:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that...
I think that "Shootmeplz" account really was legit; he admitted from the get-go that he worked for the guy and the account was created to defend his actions. First edit was to my talk page, not surprisingly. Given his co-worker's behavior, I think the block is justified if only to keep that co-worker from further shenanigans via the account. The thing that bugs me the most is that these hassles started after I unblocked the accounts. Oh, the fun we have here. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed this image first when it was tagged on 22:14, 13 September 2009 - and then looked at User:Teammelarky and at that point there was nothing on the page. I then saw it on the speedy delete queue two days later and, remembering the state of the user page, just switched it, I should have double-checked - because the 'sock' notice didn't go up until 00:53, 14 September 2009. I did double-check the source [2] which shows it as a legit image, and rather than go through the hassle of deleting it and then re-uploading it and putting it back on the page, simply marked it as 'unused non-free'. If it were a fake/incorrect/(c) violation image I would have deleted it outright, as that's sadly the norm with socks' uploads. Skier Dude (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Please help with The Time of Our Lives (EP). I was adding the allmusic review meanwhile it had said Wikipedia was being maintained and the article has gone completely blank. Please help restore this. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 00:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- O.K. Thank you. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 01:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Indian Chart
Are you aware of any music charts pertaining to India? Silly for me to ask, but still. I thought IndiaFM top 100 is the only reliable source i found which is a airplay chart based on requests. --Legolas (talk2me) 06:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Brexx returns?
May want to take a look this user. — ξxplicit 23:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Double Disc CD
Hey kww, are albums that come with 2 CDs still counted as double RIAA certifications?Like if an album ships 1.5 million copies, but is a double disc will it be certfied 3x platinum?I'm pretty sure it used to be like that, but I'm not sure if that still applies.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
100 Greatest Singers / IMDB
Hey kww, I have this source that is used in many famous singers pages. I would like to apply this source to a few singers pages. Here is the source, tell me what you think Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
And I would like to add some info (mainly nicknames) using this site, do you think its good enough to mention the stars nicknames ect?. Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Brexx
Hi Kww, please don't create a second Brexx report while one is open. Thanks, Nathan T 15:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
RE: Something's wrong
Whoops! I think I have it fixed now. Thanks for letting me know! — Kralizec! (talk) 23:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Notification
Hejsan, Kww. I'm posting to let you know that I have listed you as an editor who had an unsuccessful RfA in the not-too-recent, not-too-distant past on the talk page for RfA's here. If you are interested in running for administratorship (or not), or if you would like to make any comments, feel free to join the discussion. If you might be interested, but would like some private confidential feedback from experienced observers, I would be happy to propose this via the new vetting service. Regards, Skomorokh 18:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry
This is my first time participating in RFC. Joe Chill (talk) 17:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Examples Galore
- It appears we have to indulge your burst of coprophilia. Could you please provide ISBNs for this book and for The Truth About Poop and Poop: A Natural History of the Unmentionable? from RHaworth on my other account.
- You are not welcome here. Go away. I don't need to. Stop trolling and go away. Reverted to revision 306969051 by Esradekan; actually, lets just cut this crap out - it's unrelated to the deletion discussion - if you want to insult me use my talk page. removed trolling totally irrelevant to the deletion discussion Michig got away with all of that because everybody sided with him at ANI. That was on this account. I wonder where he read the invisible insult at. Joe Chill (talk) 21:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I find your berating of people who have a differing point of view than yours invalid. The !vote stands, it is not invalid and you can go read WP:AGF and WP:DICK until the cows come home. Do you know what I have been doing while you have been rambling on and making a mockery of this AfD? From NeutralHomer on this account. Everyone said that it wasn't a personal attack.
- I believe you are truly more intelligent than that. From Edison on this account. He got away with it because everyone said that it wasn't a personal attack.
- Joe, I'd like to point out you're coming across as the Wikipedia equivalent of the grumpy old man who comes out on his front porch and yells at the neighborhood kids who step on his lawn. From Hullaballoo Wolfowitz on this account. Everyone said that it wasn't a personal attack.
- Harasser Imnotacoolguy harassed me with sockpuppets and no admin would help me because I didn't explain the problem in an essay at ANI.This is on my other account.
- I'll refrain from !voting but some of the comments here are laughable and not based upon reading the "sources" presented (here's a clue, one is immediately out because it's user submitted). However, this is a great example of why AFD is broken, all I see here is a lot of people voting keep because their friends have voted keep or because they saw a notice at the article Canvass Squad. how many people have rushed to add those 'vital' sources to article? oh look it's zero. Uncivil? - let's have a quoteThe civility guideline is important, but it's not as important as people think. I was told that calling someone lazy was uncivil when the user was obviously lazy to not look at the sources. Why do so many editors put words in my mouth? Joe Chill (talk) 02:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Um, no. You've erected a straw man to attack. Of course every criminal is not notable, but the GNG and ONEEVENT doesn't mean that a criminal has to have someone's thesis written about his life or a major motion picture made about his exploits before he meets the notability guidelines. Another user putting words in my mouth.
- I don't remember the name of the article, but when I nominated a book for deletion, the creator constantly assumed bad faith towards me by questioning my motives.
- There has been many AFDs where editors kept on saying that I was uncivil when I wasn't. I guess their belief is that everyone that particpates a lot in a long AFD is uncivil. Joe Chill (talk) 02:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for siding with people that do things like call me a troll, tell me to leave Wikipedia, say that I'm attracted to feces (not a joke), nominate articles of mine for deletion to be pointy (including someone using a sockpuppet to do so). Another user that says that I'm to blame for it all. On those, zero policies were broken by me except when they were responses to people calling me a troll or assuming bad faith. I'm not sure what WP:CIVIL means anymore. Joe Chill (talk) 03:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel
Hey kww, can you take a look at this page and look at the edits Promotion and Release and tell me what you think. It says the album leaked today on the internet, and there is some bogus source attached to it. Please tell me what you think.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
i think that this and this images should be deleted. I'm I right? --SveroH (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Frustration
I understand your frustration with regard to AN, but I would be remiss in my duties as an editor if I did not point out that under RFC rules, an RFC cannot result in an involuntary sanction on a user. Failure for a user to adjust their behavior following an RFC can lead to a ban discussion at WP:AN or the filing of an arbitration case at WP:A/R, but on its own, the consensus of an RFC will not lead to a ban, so it is probably best to either amend your comment or not tout that as the main purpose of your comment, since it won't happen. MBisanz talk 22:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Moved comment
I moved your comment to Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/A_Nobody#Comment_on_various_proposals_from_Casliber. Hope I wasn't stepping on toes, but this RfC will get much more complicated if we get into the practice of adding an "oppose" section alongside endorsements. Protonk (talk) 16:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Mariah Carey discography
Hey kww, Ive waited a while and there is a user with a long history of edits that agrees with my changes on the talk page. Oddly there hasnt been any other comments. So can you tell me what you think about going through with the change.Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Why havent you been answering me?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 04:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Google News
I'm well aware. When I say "news feeds" I understand everything it encompasses. My point was to illustrate the fact that the basic google search brought up nothing (from the context of the discussion) and even google news, which obviously narrows the field in terms of reliability, also offered nothing. I'm very meticulous when it comes to fact taking, and I've never taken every single hit that comes off google news as pure gospel and never will. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
SPI / Brexx
Actually, I asked you not to create a new SPI case when one is already open. The one you just edited was, in fact, already closed and archived. Perhaps you can revert and try again? Nathan T 19:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Sacagawea
Per the log, you protected the article for 0 seconds, not 6 months.—Kww(talk) 18:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- Um... I think you messaged the wrong person. I protected the article for ten days two weeks ago. -- tariqabjotu 19:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Mariah Carey discography
Hey kww, Max24 has added some other source for total sales saying 175 million. The only problem is that you cant read the content of the source, as it is in white backround. Also Id like for you to see which you think is more reliable, his that you cant read, or my 5 that you approved of. Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 21:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
You really believe that thats more reliable than the five sources I have.?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 14:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Re:Celebration
Sorry. I've made a mistake once again. Sometimes, I don't realise what I am reverting. I assumed because of the source url, it did not directly lead to a specific issue of the chart. That is why I stated it as unsourced. Obviously, I was wrong. I should of viewed the reference before making judgement. Shame on me. • вяαdcяochat 11:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
AfD and behaviour
I think you pretty much nailed it with your last post there. Too much of that talk page concentrates on this side issue, and I don't want to take up any more space there.
It seems to be some kind of received wisdom that the 'atmosphere', 'environment' or whatever of AfD is a cause of problems and proof that the process needs reform. Of course this then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as people justify their own behaviour because they see themselves or their views as threatened. It's a dangerous precedent to allow laxer standards of behaviour 'just because it's AfD'.
I think that the conduct of participants in general could be discussed on the process page. Behaviour of individuals needs to be considered individually, as you say. pablohablo. 13:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Laundry Service
Hey kww, for weeks already this page has been recieving much vandalizm from anonymous IPs. Can you please help me have this page semi-protected.Thanks?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 06:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
massive vandalism
i was doing some edits on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile and i noticed massive vandalism done by people using anonymous ip addresses, i was wondering if you could protest that page, and make it so that only registered members could edit it.
Reviews for question
Hey kww, I have a few reviews that I would like to show you. I want to place these in the memoirs of an imperfect angel page as professional reviews.
Toronto Sun Look Here
Boston Herald Look Here
Newsday Look Here
Let me know what you think about these three.Thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Well to be honest I dont want to answer that and then get accused of giving the most favorable reviews to Carey. Im going to really give my honest answer and why.
1.I dont understand why I have a very positive newsday review and the article has a very negative one?Id like to switch them or combine them and write (mixed).
2.I think the boston herald should replace either the la times or ny times, i looked through them and the boston one seems more official.
3.And maybe we can just add the Toronto Sun as an extra p review, you know, add one more review. Let me know what you think.Thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, I copied and pasted on google and these 2 came up, and I cant tell which site it belongs too. Here are the 2
As for the review, as I said there isnt much to point out. In my eyes it looks like a more official post and article and is judged on a more precise score (letters with + or - not just 4 or 5 stars). Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 16:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I thought you wanted me to find you the original page for the article, because you said newsdayisnt the right page, as we already have a newsday review. I guess I misunderstood you.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 16:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, what do you think about this source, Im not sure what to make of it Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, I dont mean to bother you, I'm just wondering. What did bambifan101 do that has caused so much buzz?I mean the way people are talking, It sounds as if he has surpassed usual vandalism?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey kww, A few days ago the prince blog was used in the eminem discography for albums sales. The sales have a relable source already and since prince blog isnt a good source, can I rebvert it?Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 23:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Re:Bit of Trivia
Sorry for replying so late, was on a break. I heard that "Paparazzi" is being used in SET channel. But what is a "medium"? --Legolas (talk2me) 03:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Nomination on Carmine Guida
I was actually following protocol at Wikipedia:Guide to deletion: "Place a notification on significant pages that link to your nomination, to enable those with related knowledge to participate in the debate.". Did I use the wrong template? Luminifer (talk) 16:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Something I really...
don't want to delve into, but since I see you've been dealing with part of this, would you please look over the edits to Hilary Duff from today and see what you think. Some of it just removed valid sourcing that supported statements regarding box office, awards, etc. and it is just too extensive for my taste in how it was done. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not really excited about doing too much on it, I mostly keep that article watchlisted due to it being a target for one young IP editor that was blocked for a month, then reblocked for 3 months, after a lot of disruption and threats that his neighbor, the cop, would shut down Wikipedia). (Then today, posted one request to change a photo on Mandy Moore and the 3 month block - made on Sept. 20, was lifted by the person who placed because of that request. No request for the block to be lifted was made, no "I'll be good, I promise." Nothing, and it will just lead to repeated problems.) Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Proxies
I honestly believe that the proxies Bambifan tries to recruit are aware of the level of damage he's caused, at least when starting out. FWIW, I just looked at Ryulong's request at Meta to have him blocked globally. The damage he did as "Ice Age lover" across multiple wikis is staggering. The fellow on the Russian wiki he duped was deserving of a block based on his comments and attitude (English Wikipedia is "stupid, for example). I don't think this latest one is as culpable, although he was certainly wrong in assisting him while knowing about the blocks/bans. That said, I would like to see an immediate block on any future proxy, admin, bureaucrat or whatever. Both proxies knew what they were doing. I don't know what it will take to get BellSouth in Mobile involved, but if a formal complaint is made and witnesses are needed, I'm your guy. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- I only say that because I don't think this fellow was aware of how bad the problem really was and I hope he's aware now. Just trying to AGF based on his previous record. I'm not sure what if anything should be done in this instance, but IMO there should be no mercy whatsoever to future proxies regardless of edit history. This is just nuts at this point. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Re:3RR
Thanks Kevin. I really don't know what the big deal was by reverting unsourced additions or non-notable inputs. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
New Review
Hey kww, although Memoirs had a Billboard review that was positive it didnt have much specific scoring info. Ive found this new review Look Here on Billboard that has a written score of 71. Can you tell me what you make of this, and what you believe should be done with it. Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Mix-up
Quick note about your recent RfAr post. They were different years. Block in 2008, adminship 2009. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 00:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
[3]. Came to make the same comment as SlimVirgin - you're right about the block to creation of the Law account, but GlassCobra refers to the distance between the block and when Law gained adminship. Nathan T 03:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah, must have missed your follow up! Sorry, Nathan T 03:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 01:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
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Number 1's (Mariah Carey album) GAR notice
Number 1's (Mariah Carey album) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Edits in the Hilary Duff article
Hi...I would like to bring a consensus on recent mass deletions being made to Hilary Duff article....Would love to have your views on this.... pls comment on this Gprince007 (talk) 12:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Israeli Singles Chart
Please revert your edits. There is an official Israeli Singles Chart, not only the one at charts.co.il. Edenc1 • Talk 13:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
about Latin Areschart
Ok. I didn't kew that that chart was on the "Badcharts" list. I think i doesn't have dubious methodology but if it is the general though, i won't include it again. Thanks =). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hahc21 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Max24
Hey kww, Just bringing some of Max24's recent edits that appear to constitute vandalism and fancruft. I would like for you to look into this, so you see the class of editor who's trying to have me blocked. In my opinion he should get a warning for this, he added a source that says 13.5 million, and for no reason wrote 15 million, of course to glorify Celine Dion. Tell me what you think. Thanks Look Here --Petergriffin9901 (talk) 18:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Well thats OK, I dont expect to make a big deal over one offense, Im just trying to point out that editors can make mistakes, as he was accusing me with whitney pages for a mistake trying to block me for it. Just to show you an example.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
The Xtinadbest sock
I think these two could be her as well, PokerFace3 (talk · contribs) Obsessivemisslittle (talk · contribs). What do you think? Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 20:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- I believe this might be much bigger than only relating to a few articles though. I believe she edits different articles with different socks to avoid getting noticed. Do you remember the Hayden Panettiere and Lindsay Lohan articles, and the fuzz she made about the albums that never existed? She made all those edits based on old articles, rumors and really vague sources. That is the type of edit patterns we need to look for. It may seem like a stretch, but I don't think it is.
- I am getting tired of this, so I am going to spend some time compiling a map of the confirmed socks, and their edit patterns. I'll let you know how it turns out. ;-) Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 15:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Old SPI question
Hey, sorry for the late reply, but I've finally got around to User talk:Luna Santin#Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Archives/Archive6#Stacked reports; does this still need action? – Luna Santin (talk) 21:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Celine Dion discography / Madonna
Hey kww, on this page there are many sources being used, some tha are unreliable, some that are books that arent readily available. So can we use this source thats the same site that was previously allowed by you and Max24 on the MCdiscography?Thanks Look Here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
And I would like to use this source for madonna sales in the US on her album pages in the little boxes in the charting section? Look Here .--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 06:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Its not the album for album difference, tell me if you agree with me but I think its better to have the same source in a discography than to have 20 different articles in different languages. And many of them are in books with no page numbers so its hard to check the reliability. That is the reason I would like to change it, not to discredit or change her sales (btw ticketspecialists agrees with alot of them ad is VERY generous with her album sales):)--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
And I forgot to ask, can I use the Madonna page on Billboard for Whitney Houston album sales in US?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Suspicious?
What do you think of this? It has caught my eye. [4] - eo (talk) 19:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Bad Charts query
You seem to be pretty well versed in WP:BADCHARTS. I looked at the page, but couldn't find the information so I figured you'd probably know the answer. There's a request right now at Talk:U2 over whether worldwidealbums.net is a reliable source for sales figures or not. Can you shed any light on that? Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Please join discussion at Wikipedia talk:Record charts "PROPOSAL: Use all Billboard charts that relate to the subject."
Please join discussion at Wikipedia talk:Record charts "PROPOSAL: Use all Billboard charts that relate to the subject."
Thank You.
Iknow23 (talk) 03:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Your RfA
I didn't really look to closely at your RfA and probably won't, but I did notice what might be a mistake. A casual glance looks like you kept some logs (eg AFD participation). Your links read "Activity X Since October 2009"... I suspect that you meant to have an earlier date in there?---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 03:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Wrong dates?
re Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Kww 3#Contribution tables - two of these list "contributions since October 2009" (ie 10 days). I think you mean 2008 but I'll leave it to you to change it. pablohablo. 13:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Admin recall
You may be interested in User:LessHeard vanU/Dead minimum. pablohablo. 17:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Regarding changes in Xavier University school of medicine, Bonaire.
Hi,
I work in Xavier University school of medicine, Bonaire. I have permission from my CEO to do changes regarding our school over internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drvamsi (talk • contribs) 03:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Regarding changes in Xavier University school of medicine, Bonaire.
Hi kww,
I just want show our school logo. I don't want anyone to misuse our logo. Guide me in a proper way —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drvamsi (talk • contribs) 03:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Regarding changes in Xavier University school of medicine, Bonaire.
Hi Kww
Thank You so much —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drvamsi (talk • contribs) 03:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Post on the issue page, not on my talk page
Please do not post on my talk page again.
Unlike the editors you so closely work with, I have no problem reversing any mistakes that I make, or issuing clarifications, and I am happy to have everyone know about those mistakes and calls for clarification on the page at issue. Ikip (talk) 19:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Brazil Albums Chart
What is wrong with the chart? I didn't know albums charts came into discussion as you sell the albums they chart, there's less going on than in singles charts.
Explain please. Jayy008 (talk) 02:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh I get it now thanks. What I found confusing about Wiki Bad Charts was the fact that it looks like only the chart itself was bad not the website. Jayy008 (talk) 10:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Heaven help Brazil if they actually get a valid chart issued there. It'll still get deleted on sight here after all the bad Brazil adds that have been made. (Brazil Billboard...that gets a point for originality, but minus-five for yet another bad chart.) —C.Fred (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
B.S.
The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar | |
I've just got to give you this for all of the tireless work you do in checking out so many Charts in the song and album articles, and constantly removing the bad ones. Cheers; it's work like this that makes Wikipedia great. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC) |
Bulgarian charts
Hi Kww, just to tell you that they updated the chart, they have 12 weeks in the archive now. Regards. Frcm1988 (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Acharts.us
It's listed on GOODCHARTS though... That's why I've been using it. Jayy008 (talk) 18:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
ping. Protonk (talk) 03:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Brazilian chart launched
I think you would enjoy reading this as a editor. I'm not sure if you already know that but Billboard has launched an official Brazilian chart, comprissed by airplay. Unfourtunately, I've not found any archive on the site...but the launch of the chart, by Billboard, is a good start. Decodet (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update on the chart. I saw the discussion in WT:Record charts, though I don't follow it regularly. I guess once it is fully up and running, WP:BADCHART will get updated also? —C.Fred (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry
I said that I was sorry to have argued against you this time. You have been a decent editor, so no question. You may do better by trying to convince others. Best of luck. Bearian (talk) 20:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Mariah's album sales
Hi user Kww. I have to say, I have tried to discuss the issue. No one seems to have addressed the fact that Columbia was her official record label for 9 years, and are accountable for the sale and distribution for her highest selling releases. The fact of the matter is that Def Jam is responsible for only 4 of her albums, that's less than quarter of her catalog. Why would what they say be any more reliable than Sony/Columbia who are responsible for 80% of her sales. She has 17 releases. All but five of those are on another label and even Glitter was overseen by Sony Music Entertainment because it was tied to the film which was produced by the label. Yes the def jam press release is more recent by by less than a year, and for matters like these it really shouldn't matter. It's not as if the number is higher or that there are any more releases to account for in that time span. Also I noticed that for "Best selling artists" list, Wikipedia users have agreed to use the standard of the highest amount published, why should this be any different. Also, there is no point in saying that def jam's is more reliable than Columbia's because it seems more plausible. One thing I've learned on wikipedia, is that it's irrelevant whether it seems more plausible, or if you think something is not right as long as that's what the source says. One last point, Columbia's statement is supported by other sources, like MTV, which lends even more credibility to the 200 number. I don't see the problem. But I'm open to listening to anyone who can provide me with a logical explanation as to why Def Jam would be more reliable than SOny just because they're her current label, 'cause as I stated before, they still have no bearing over the shipments and sales of her previous releases, most of which have sold more individually than her entire catalog at def jam. That's my position and i posted that on the talk page hours ago. PhoenixPrince (talk) 04:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
The Sony/Columbia figure was given last October of 2008 not years ago. It was in a press release for The Ballads. And because the figure is large doesn't necessarily mean it's exaggerated, even if you take the lowest reported amount for her album sales, and add it with her single certifications, strictly from the U.S., and that doesn't include all the sales for the single or singles that are uncertified, it will equal about 170 million in sales, so that would mean she's only sold another 5 million singles WW? That's not only illogical, it's improbable. Her Albums sales total about 190 mil in actuality, but there is no source stating that figure, it's just the range you get when you add up the sales. So I don't see how it's so exaggerated. Also there is the thing about the other sources supporting that claim which adds more validity to it than the 175 mil claim which has no supporting source. PhoenixPrince (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Can you do me a favour and semi-protect this album's page. Somebody keeps adding back Brazil everytime I look! Will you first sem-protect it and since you personally overview the real Brazillian chart add it's listing to the album chart once it charts?? Thank you Jayy008 (talk) 18:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you and will you add it or let me know when it does chart in Brazil? Jayy008 (talk) 19:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you and why do you doubt it will chart?
Also there's a lot of arguments on the 200 million worldwide sales on her main page and I think you're the best person to deal with it efficiently Jayy008 (talk) 19:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh ok thanks! and the 200 million figure what's the consensis so far? Jayy008 (talk) 19:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
So do I. Despite being a big fan and would like to believe 200 million. Adding up indiviual album sales really doesn't make it to 200. Btw if I reply to your comment on my talk page does it show up "New Messages" for you or do I have to put it here? Jayy008 (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok, how do I watchlist your page?? Jayy008 (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Watchlisting
Done it thank you!
Right [5] that link says Memoirs... chart position in Hungary is either 32 or 2 can you please tell me which column is correct? and for future reference should I put something like this on your talk page or on the charts page?Jayy008 (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Peak is 32. Current is 36. It has been on the chart for 2 weeks. If it's just a quick technical question or you just want my opinion, here is fine. If it's something that needs discussion, then WT:Record charts is better.—Kww(talk) 22:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Maybe until I get used to it more replying on my page is better as I didn't get notified when u reply :S. Right I'll add it onto the chart then.
Next... under a different title...
Memoirs...
Korean certification Platinum and chart position #1 according to her official website and there's a photo of her recieving Platinum plaque from head of universal music korea. I thought this was fine to be included but one user thinks it isn't enough as they can't find any other info on it on "google" what is your opinion? Jayy008 (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok thanks no rush! Jayy008 (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Kevin, I'm the user that had an issue with this being included. All the Korean news sources simply say that she received a platinum album plaque, but do not say that she actually went platinum with this album. Granted, considering that the platinum threshold is quite low (10,000 copies), it's certainly possible, but the only source that says she did is her own website.
- As for certifications, I know that MIAK turned into something else, but that something else has a broken website (I checked it earlier today), so that's gonna be difficult as well.... Hope this explains things. :P SKS (talk) 03:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Koreon Cetification reply
That's a good idea. It should stay for the time being. I think it should stay permanently as it's not exactly a hard figure to match and it could only be shipments quite an easy number to reach.
But right Korean website? So an actual chart will be available soon with certifications etc? Jayy008 (talk) 18:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Well hopefully the reason they're sorting it out is because they're rethinking their chart policies and it will be less confusing to the international market. Also in Brazil I have read that Memoirs shipments have been 20,000 copies which must mean that sales are near to that right or they wouldn't ship so much? If so would 20,000 copies mean it would chart? Sorry to ask you it's just I doubt anybody else on here would know lol Jayy008 (talk) 18:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
General
Thanks!
Right to get things clear there are seperate recording associations for China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and Korea (Bad Geography) aswell as seperate certifications and charts?
Also I want to Subscribe to a music magazine, Billboard.Biz seems appropriate as I would like to know sales of everything in the U.S. and other places but you mentioned MusicWeek and something else before. Which would be best? Jayy008 (talk) 19:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Kww! Jayy008 (talk) 22:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
RFA
There was a comment at the RFA related to the issues you raised on my talk page, so I clarified my comments at the RFA. For beter or worse, I don't expect to be editing again until after the scheduled closing of the RFA, so I don't respond to any followup you might have, it's not because I'm ignoring or dismissing it. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Charts
Hey kww, I came across this Source and Im not sure which of these charts Im able to add or even what country they are from, can you help?If you can tell me what each country is and which ones are eligible to add to the song page.Thanks!?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 22:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Billboard Brasil
Kww, see the article about the new charts in Brazil, the Billboard Brasil, and the official website. Now the coutry have a good charts. May the Wiki-en uses in the artist? Vitor Mazuco Msg 22:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
But now the Charts doesn't on, check out this and other rankings in the print edition and will soon be available here on the site. Vitor Mazuco Msg 22:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Any additional news?
With respects to this posting... do you have statistics that cover earlier flurries of supports or opposes? Statistics that might indicate that there may or may not have been earlier incidents of support or oppose canvassing during this RFA? Or only of this revealed incident? MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
The Resilient Barnstar | ||
For maintaining a cool head and professional demeanor throughout your recent ordeal, which is, IMO, evidence in and of itself that you're fit to be an admin. –Juliancolton | Talk 04:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC) |
- Not sure how I missed that, is it too late to add my support? :( Verbal chat 15:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Shakira new singles date
I just saw on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Wolf_(album) that Did It Again will be released October 21, and Give It Up To Me the following week (on the right side of the page, in the table, under "Singles from She Wolf"). So I was wondering if that is confirmed, because I can't find a source for it... Thank you. --Jadshakira (talk) 11:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Brazil
Hi, can you add Brazil to goodcharts please? I've added it on a few pages and don't want people to remove it thinking it's from Hot 100 Brazil or something! Jayy008 (talk) 01:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I hadn't seen you comment it for a while, but it's up and running now, I don't think it will have a searchable database to be honest, it looks like it's only a weekly chart so would that make verification impossible? So it looks like we won't be able to use it. Or are people allowed to place a link from Billboard.Biz?
- One more question thing Billboard Japan Hot 100, is that official chart in Japan or is there an Oricon one?
- Also I've added something to Belgium discussion, I know you dislike using it but I'd appreciate your input!
Thank you Jayy008 (talk) 01:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed everything I added for Brazil until/if there's an archive Jayy008 (talk) 02:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Sources
Hey kww, fisrt off, how are things looking for your adminship? Secondly I would like to use this source mentioning Obsessed being certified Platinum in the USA and so forth. Thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, Here's the source.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Im trying to improve the new section in the Mariah Carey page, so ive got a few sources from the wiki page Precious (her new film) that Id like to add to the page. This one is for basic info on the project and her part, This is what Variety had to say about it, and these BBC, Digtal Spy and Reuters talking about it's success in Toronto and it's accolaids. Thanks!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Japan
It wasn't a chart question. It was for personal knowlage not for sourcing. I was just wandering if there was a seperate singles chart for each or are they the same? Jayy008 (talk) 02:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh how confusing, thanks for the info! Jayy008 (talk) 02:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism off my user page! It seems that the result of the RfA is awaiting a long bureaucrat decision. This is a lonnnng time for them to delay announcing an outcome. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Re: Good mood
Re your message: No particular reason. You have to have a little fun from time to time. I write goofy edit summaries on WP:AIV from time to time just to break up the monotony. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Better luck next time...
I'm sorry to report it doesn't look like we can promote you to an administrator this time, per a detailed bureaucrat discussion that failed to generate find within the community's response a meaningful consensus to promote you based on your request for adminship. I think the community has spoken that you are still a valued contributor and with time and good behavior, will win over the community to win its support. Sorry, and better luck next time. Andre (talk) 08:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is just a note to bring some proper closure to the situation. I've gone ahead and archived the discussion completely, following WJBscribe's final remark. I echo Andre and wish you the best in the future. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 13:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Although I landed on the oppose side, I meant it when I said "reluctantly" and wish you all the best in your future endeavors. I am sure you are quite disappointed by the outcome (who wouldn't be), but try to not let it get you down too much. I think nearly every oppose would agree you are a welcome and valuable contributor. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I feel the restraint and maturity you have shown during this difficult time demonstrate that you have the temperament to be an admin. I don't know how you remained so calm during all this. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
You probably know how I feel about the RfA in general (not the close, that probably couldn't go any other way), but thanks for persevering with an exceptional amount of dignity in the face of lies and misinformation. Protonk (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, my outburst was motivated by the hugely disappointing outcome of this. I apologize for taking it out on you, that was very wrong of me even if I don't think it was right to name specific opposers in the table you posted on WP:BN. I've been here far too long to not know better and I'm sorry for not restraining myself. I didn't believe you were ready yet and I stand by that per what I said in my oppose but I wish you the best of luck on your next RfA which I'm sure you'll pass without any problems. Bye. Vyvyan Basterd (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Kww. Sorry about the unsuccessful RfA; even though I didn't participate, I've been watching the interesting bureaucrat chat through its entirety. I must say you certainly handled the whole situation very commendably, probably better than I could have. If you plan on running again in the future, I strongly suggest waiting longer than three months. Wait six months because otherwise, there will be many claims of you wanting adminship too much if you run again in January. This is coming from someone who's endured just as many failed RfAs as you have and has learned a lot in the process. Anyway, the bright side of all this is that you can still keep on helping build and maintain the encyclopedia without the tools. Good luck in your future endeavors. :) Timmeh 22:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Help
First of all, sorry you didn't make Admin, bad choice in my opinion as you know the most about the charts and would be very handy if you handy more power to decide things.
Secondly Japan on GOODCHARTS, I'm so confused! I've written on the discussion page about it so if you get a minute and you take a look at the discussion and then explain about it Jayy008 (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
That explains alot! I understand it all now and know why Japan Hot 100 I only ever see as opposed to an Oricon Singles Chart and as to why Japan Digital Chart only has Japan artists. Thank you Jayy008 (talk) 20:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Flanders and Wallonia
Sorry to bother you again but a user keeps highlighting Wallonia and Flanders in their own piece. I don't think this is needed as when you click on the Belgium Singles Chart highlight it tells you it's seperated into two charts and why. When someone clicks on Wallonia or Flanders it has nothing to do with music just tells you about the country.
Do you think it needs to be highlighted? Jayy008 (talk) 20:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Sock again?
Would you consider looking at the contributions of this user? I have a feeling it can be User:Pokerdance's sock. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)