User:Kumioko/TOC
User_talk:Magioladitis#User:Magioladitis.2FWikiProjects_minor_error. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Bgwhite handled it. Your comments are always welcome. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to clarify for those that have inquired.
There was nothing particularly negative that recently caused me to quite editing. There were no blocks, arguments or discussions that resulted in my retirement it was just a general feeling that my participation in the project was no longer of sufficient value to continue to use my time. Too much content is being protected and or deleted, too many new editors are blocked or banned for minor infractions, there are too many problems with no resolutions or the desire to fix them. The culture has eroded to a point where I don't think its recoverable at this point. Its partly that feeling and attitude that its time to go. Adding to that the results of my multiple failed RFA's, the drama from February and the general acceptance that I will never be allowed to posses the admins tools, to have the respect or trust of my fellow editors, and to be a positive contributor without unnecessary limitations I decided retirement was the best option. No rage quites, no drama. Just a message and a goodbye while things are on a relatively high note. Good luck and happy editing. Kumioko (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Kumioko, I know this community is on thin ice when it comes to being sound and sturdy, but if you went and looked at what I proposed WP:VPP, you will see something that we believe should fix some of the problems the community faces. You are no doubt a valuable contributor to the project and your efforts aren't wasted.—cyberpower Limited AccessTrick or Treat 17:39, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm just tired of all the drama. I'm tired of having to spend a large amount of my time asking for my edits to be implemented because everything is protected (which is counter to the premise of the pedia BTW and proves we do not trust our editors as Jimbo likes to say on his talk page) only to have someone ask me how to do it because they with the rights don't know, I'm tired of editors deleting the categories, templates and pages I create and then having to spend my time asking they be restored because some admin is making a name for themselves by deleting shit they don't understand. I'm tired of being told that I cannot edit too fast or make too many edits in X amount of time because some Admin or editor who does 5 edits a week is having their feelings hurt because I am filling their watchlist. I'm tired of being told I cannot do too many things to an article in one edit because it makes it hard to see the edit change and then have some other say I need to do more changes in one edit because I am wasting changed doing things separately. Then having some other editor tell me I need to use clearer edit summaries because they are too lazy to click on the link I embed in the summery. In general I am tired of the degrading culture we have where people know there are problems but let a few editors use every opportunity to block every suggestion for fixing it (Like the RFA process). Maybe the change won't fix it, but we cannot continue on the path its on so something needs to be tried. That's one example of hundreds. Since I now recognize that its never going to change, will get progressively worse and since I now believe that Wikipedia will eventually collapse completely because we are unwilling and incapable of doing anything to stop it. To continue to use my time to contribute to something that is destined to be just another failed website, doesn't really make any sense. Especially when so many don't respect the use of my time. We are all volunteers and if we treat editors as though we do not respect the use of their time or their effort, as we continue to do, then they will eventually stop coming as is happening now for a variety of reasons. I am tired of it all and although I will probably continue to periodically check my user talk page as I did today and may send a few emails to folks suggesting certain things be done, my editing days are done. For what its worth, just in the 3 weeks I have not been editing has cost the pedia nearly 10, 000 edits. And that's just what I would have done not counting what I would have needed from others to have many of those implemented, pages and content I would have had to submit for deletion someone else would have had to do, etc. It equals a lot of wasted time when it takes 2 and 3 people to implement one edit when one editor who knows how and has been here for years isn't trusted by the general community to just make the change. Time and effort that is better spent on the pedia and making improvements, not generating beauracracy for the sake of keeping control. Kumioko (talk) 17:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Nicely said. I share your concerns. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I sympathize. There is definitely a problem here, it just takes one ultimate solution to fix it. That one solution, out of millions has just not yet been discovered.—cyberpower ChatOnline 19:33, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- With respect, One problem didn't get us here, one thing won't fix it. There is a saying, "If you mind the pennies, the dollars will mind themselves". The reason we are losing editors and and contributions is manyfold including but not limited too, each one of which have multiple sub-problems:
- Too many rules, policies and regulations - These need to be simplified and streamlined.
- Too many items have been protected - Some need to be, most don't. We need to trust our contributors, not show them we don't trust them by protecting everything.
- Too many blocks and indefinate bans - Over time the admins have doled out more and more blocks for smaller and smaller reasons. This needs to stop.
- Stop biting the newbys - In line with #3, it takes a long time to learn things here and too many new contributors are simply blocked or banned if they don't get things right at first, which is that most don't, so we have a lot of blocks.
- Stop deleting everything - Too many are on a mass deletion rampage. There is certainly some content that needs to be deleted, but we don't need to find a reason to delete stuff with good sources and is well written because we feel it isn't "Notable" because it happened in India (one fairly recent example).
- The foundation needs to spend the time to fix the things that need fixing - A lot of the problems here won't get fixed until the foundation gets off its ass and acts. They need to quite wasting time on meaningless shit that won't do anything like the very well intentioned but not well thought out, WikiLove app. There are a lot more things that the pedia needs than the ability to easily spam a users page with kittens and cookies.
- In the end though, it doesn't matter because the overly democratic process we have in place ensures that nothing (or at least very little) will happen because there will never be a consensus because frankly, not everyone is always going to agree, no matter how good the idea. Kumioko (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your user page User_talk:Kumioko/sandbox, by reason of its contents, was accidentally included in a content category. It has been corrected for you. For information about this, please see the guidelines about the categorization of user pages. Thank you. Actually, Kumioko, the issue is not corrected. I'm not sure what your goal is for the sandbox, but it has resulted in a lot of "missing coordinates" categories. (Making the culling process for cleaning up the missing coordinates endeavor a bit more difficult.) Can you correct please? Thanks so much. S. Rich (talk) 17:43, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks so very much for the quick fix!--S. Rich (talk) 18
- 28, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
- Your welcome. If you see any more of my pages popping up please feel free to just blank them. I'm retired from editing. Jsut fyi throug, for this one I was working to make sure that the template had all the categories and to do lists and other things created but I gave up on that because I do not have access to edit protected templates and it was taking a week or more for an admin to make the change. That's is part of the reason I retired from editing. It's just becoming too hard to get anything done because so much content is protected and I am not an admin. I'm still watching my talk page for now and making the occassional comment, but I am done editing. Kumioko (talk) 18:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The Socratic Barnstar
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for your cogent argument about the toxic culture here. i trust you have considered the possibility of an occupy wikipedia insurgency Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 22:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Either provide some diffs to demonstrate my alleged connection with Fram, and his connection with WP:USRD, or retract your accusations immediately. This is entirely unsubstantiated, and beyond the pale. But my block was my block, and mine alone, and I alone should bear any consequences for it if it was improper. Not WP:USRD. You can do what you want to me, try and get me desysopped, or whatever, but leave USRD out of this. --Rschen7754 08:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is off topic, though it may address one of your concerns about admins in general.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on WP:RRA. - jc37 20:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You appear to be active again. The retired template is not appropriate for an active user.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:22, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree. I am going back into a retired status again. I only edited because of the block against Rich and a couple of other things that came up but I am logging back off again. Kumioko (talk) 20:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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