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:: Correct answer :-) <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 09:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC) |
:: Correct answer :-) <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 09:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC) |
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Tick tock, tick tock. We're coming Guy. Cheers |
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Note to admins reviewing any of my admin actions (expand to read).
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I am often busy in that "real life" of which you may have read. Blocks are the most serious things we can do: they prevent users from interacting with Wikipedia. Block reviews are urgent. Unless I say otherwise in the block message on the user's talk page, I am happy for any uninvolved admin to unblock a user I have blocked, provided that there is good evidence that the problem that caused the block will not be repeated. All I ask is that you leave a courtesy note here and/or on WP:ANI, and that you are open to re-blocking if I believe the problem is not resolved - in other words, you can undo the block, but if I strongly feel that the issue is still live, you re-block and we take it to the admin boards. The same applies in spades to blocks with talk page access revoked. You are free to restore talk page access of a user for whom I have revoked it, unless it's been imposed or restored following debate on the admin boards. User:DGG also has my permission to undelete or unprotect any article I have deleted and/or salted, with the same request to leave a courtesy note, and I'll rarely complain if any uninvolved admin does this either, but there's usually much less urgency about an undeletion so I would prefer to discuss it first - or ask DGG, two heads are always better than one. I may well add others in time, DGG is just one person with whom I frequently interact whose judgment I trust implicitly. Any WP:BLP issue which requires you to undo an admin action of mine, go right ahead, but please post it immediately on WP:AN or WP:ANI for review. The usual definition of uninvolved applies: you're not currently in an argument with me, you're not part of the original dispute or an editor of the affected article... you know. Apply WP:CLUE. Guy (Help!) 20:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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- In science, any compromise between a correct statement and a wrong statement is a wrong statement. Thanks, user:Stephan Schulz.
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About me
I am in my early fifties, British, have been married for over quarter of a century to the world's most tolerant woman, and have two adult children. I am an amateur baritone and professional nerd. I do not tolerate racism, or any kind of bigotry. I sometimes, to my chagrin, mention that I have been an admin for a long time: some people think this is me invoking admin status in order to subdue dissent, actually it's just me as a middle aged parent of young adults saying "oh no, not this shit again". I am British, I have the British sense of humour (correctly spelled) and I absolutely do not have an accent, since I went to a thousand-year-old school. Everything I do or say could be wrong. I try always to be open to that possibility. If you think I am wrong, please just talk to me nicely, and it can all be sorted out like grown-ups. Guy (Help!) 23:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
RfC and other closes
I am am making a good faith best efforts attempt to close backlogged RfCs and other debates from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. These are mainly backlogged because there is no obvious consensus, so any close will undoubtedly annoy someone. I invite review of any such close on WP:ANI, where there are many more watchers than my talk page. I am happy to provide clarification of anything either here or on ANI, please ping me if it's at ANI - that exempts you from the ANI notice, IMO, and I prefer a ping to a talk page notice as the latter tends to spread discussion to multiple venues, which is a nightmare. Feel free to use "email this user" if I am not responding to a request (but remember I live in UTC, soon to be UTC-1). Guy (Help!) 23:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Deletion review for Lorenzo Iorio
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Lorenzo Iorio. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Stifle (talk) 10:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- See also User_talk:LFaraone, User talk:JzG/Archive 125, Talk:Planet Nine/Archive 1, Talk:Planet Nine/Archive 2, Talk:Telisto (hypothetical planet), 45 Wuz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), 21a12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 21aGUSH (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).
- Also ping @Jehochman:. Guy (Help!) 08:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Which editor, Stifle? A real editor or a sock? Jehochman Talk 13:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Yo
We gotta do what we gotta do. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 124.171.129.170 (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Edits on the IFBB page
Hi JzG,
I noticed that you deleted a table of competitions from the International Bodybuilding and Fitness page. I think that at least a sentence listing each of these competitions is significant because that's how this organization is formed and people may want to know that when trying to learn about the IFBB. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks for helping!
Stephilippou (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think that as someone with a conflict of interest your views are more likely to be supportive of IFBB than Wikipedian ideals. The list of trivia can be safely left to IFBB's webmasters. Guy (Help!) 22:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Ok thanks for responding!
- Stephilippou (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
English Democrats
Hi. As much as I like to see my position reinstated in the article (I sure hoped RSN would give a more definite answer, but well), did you notice the article was full-protected? LjL (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, no, I did not, at no point did the interface flag this - bizarre. Guy (Help!) 17:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Please revert your undiscussed move here, and propose a page move through the proper process. I will certainly oppose, as the old name is certainly the WP:COMMONNAME. Tiresome people are always trying to move churches to their full official name, and it is disappointing to see someone of your seniority joining their ranks. Johnbod (talk) 12:50, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Did you see that the issue had been discussed on talk before? Johnbod (talk) 12:53, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- I grew up in St Albans, I went to St Albans School. The building we titles St Albans Cathedral is known locally, almost without exception, as the Abbey. The station is St. Albans Abbey. The associated primary school is The Abbey School. Abbey Mill Lane. Abbey Avenue. Abbey View. The Abbey Gateway. This is a case of the principle of least astonishment. Any local seeing the previous title will be irritated, as I was. It is the Cathedral and Abbey Church of St Alban, or St Albans Abbey. Guy (Help!) 00:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Who cares? WP is not written just for locals, and you haven't even used that name. All Italians call their cathedrals "Duomo" and Germans "Dom", but we don't use these, but what the general WP:COMMONNAME is. You know this perfectly well. Johnbod (talk) 02:46, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
WP:AE case
Just a note that I've opened up a AE case on Semitrangenic here where you were involved in some of the evidence (should have a pin anyways). You did technically break 1RR in that case, but I'm not seeking action against that as it's ignoring the larger problem of both the editor and what happens when someone initially starts gaming 1RR and their content remains. Do be careful in the future though. Kingofaces43 (talk) 01:52, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think a topic ban will be good for everybody, including the user, who clearly finds this topic too vexing to engage calmly. Guy (Help!) 22:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Hierarchy and Free Expression in the Fight Against Racism
Please restore Hierarchy and Free Expression in the Fight Against Racism. You deleted it prematurely. GangofOne (talk) 00:20, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- No I did not. It was created by the author of the book, deleted once, and promptly re-created by him. It was an advertisement. Guy (Help!) 00:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
A deleter - Australian Vaccination-Skeptics Network page
Hey JzG,
Can you please do something about the editor Chrisw80 as I notice he's on a bender to cause edit-wars and delete anything to do with the 'Mnookin' book as a source. He denys the text exists and now deletes article content as below - which, by the way, was made accurate by editors a decade or so ago. He is rash in his actions as the text in book is correct as I have a complete copy of the e-book. I will not debate with him for fear of getting my account deleted as I noticed is his strategy in his edit-wars. Don't know what his problem is.
OK now I know what his problem is, the text he can't see is only in the Australian edition of the book - as told by Mnookin here http://sethmnookin.com/tag/dana-mccaffery/ . And by the look of his userpage of it Chrisw80 is from the USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gongwool (talk • contribs) 02:32, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Also proof - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/11/the-panic-virus/ - "Anyway, about Seth’s book, my friend and fellow science advocate Dr. Rachael Dunlop pointed me toward the new Australian edition of the book, which has a new preface as well. I’m happy to see that Mnookin directly takes on the situation in Australia, documenting the behavior of antivaxxer Meryl Dorey and relaying the story of the McCafferys, who lost their four week old daughter Dana due to pertussis and low vaccination rates. You can read the preface at that link above." - "Anyway, about Seth’s book, my friend and fellow science advocate Dr. Rachael Dunlop pointed me toward the new Australian edition of the book, which has a new preface as well. I’m happy to see that Mnookin directly takes on the situation in Australia, documenting the behavior of antivaxxer Meryl Dorey and relaying the story of the McCafferys, who lost their four week old daughter Dana due to pertussis and low vaccination rates. You can read the preface at that link above." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gongwool (talk • contribs) 02:49, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Example of his removal.
- The day after Dana's death was reported in a local newspaper, the AVN's Meryl Dorey contacted the Director of Public Health for the NSW North Coast, Mr Paul Corben, disputing that Dana had died from pertussis and demanding he provide confidential details of her death, including personal medical records and the results of diagnosing tests. Corben refused to release the information, citing privacy legislation. He later wrote to the McCafferys that the AVN's "callousness and disregard for you and your family is chilling indeed".[1]
- Gongwool (talk) 02:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Gangwool, I'm happy to discuss this with you. I have been nothing but civil with everyone regarding this. Sources need to be reliable and verifiable per Wikipedia guidelines. I have every reasonable right to challenge a source and attempt to verify it. My good faith attempts at verification failed, and so I reverted. I looked in what appeared to be several different editions of this book even. I've even gone so far as to purchase a copy of the book (due to arrive on Saturday), just in case there really is something I'm missing. I shouldn't have to fly to Australia to buy a book (or loiter in an Australian bookstore) to verify a citation in an internationally published book. I'm not "on a bender" to delete everything using that book as a source. He seems like a notable and respectable author. If I could verify the book has actually stated what the non-NPOV text in the articles were claiming, I would be more reticent to delete it and more focused on fixing the tone. Chrisw80 (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Update: added '...an Australian...' to the bookstore loitering statement for clarity) Chrisw80 (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry Chrisw80 you should have practiced WP:Assume_good_faith and trusted the the person who put the cite there 6 years back as well as trust I'm telling truth. You don't need to buy Aussie book, double check everything, doubt everyone, just be a responsible Rollbacker and avoid editwars. Deleting something that's so established on WP over 6 or so years without dispute is a little bit like vandalism, you know. Gongwool (talk) 05:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- With respect, the book hasn't even been out for 6 years. If you feel that I have not edited in good faith, please see Dispute Resolution instead of filling up the talk pages of various admins. Thank you. Chrisw80 (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- OK now your being silly, OK the books been out for 3 or 5 years (I made a little error). So I guess from your response that you won't WP:Assume_good_faith and your position is that you are not going to revert your edit back? Or if I edit it back you will start an edit war? It's evident now that you were wrong, nothing bad with admiting that. Gongwool (talk) 05:40, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- With respect, the book hasn't even been out for 6 years. If you feel that I have not edited in good faith, please see Dispute Resolution instead of filling up the talk pages of various admins. Thank you. Chrisw80 (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry Chrisw80 you should have practiced WP:Assume_good_faith and trusted the the person who put the cite there 6 years back as well as trust I'm telling truth. You don't need to buy Aussie book, double check everything, doubt everyone, just be a responsible Rollbacker and avoid editwars. Deleting something that's so established on WP over 6 or so years without dispute is a little bit like vandalism, you know. Gongwool (talk) 05:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Update: added '...an Australian...' to the bookstore loitering statement for clarity) Chrisw80 (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Gangwool, I'm happy to discuss this with you. I have been nothing but civil with everyone regarding this. Sources need to be reliable and verifiable per Wikipedia guidelines. I have every reasonable right to challenge a source and attempt to verify it. My good faith attempts at verification failed, and so I reverted. I looked in what appeared to be several different editions of this book even. I've even gone so far as to purchase a copy of the book (due to arrive on Saturday), just in case there really is something I'm missing. I shouldn't have to fly to Australia to buy a book (or loiter in an Australian bookstore) to verify a citation in an internationally published book. I'm not "on a bender" to delete everything using that book as a source. He seems like a notable and respectable author. If I could verify the book has actually stated what the non-NPOV text in the articles were claiming, I would be more reticent to delete it and more focused on fixing the tone. Chrisw80 (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
He never did discuss it on talk page! What??? I think Chris' response shows why he/she shouldn't have been given extra WP privileges, whether they be RollBacker, RedbackSpider, RolloverThem or whatever he called it! Better standards are needed. Gongwool (talk) 07:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- As in, suspend it here, and resume it on the talk page.. Chrisw80 (talk) 07:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Tick tock, tick tock. We're coming Guy. Cheers
- ^ Mnookin, Seth (February 2011). The Panic Virus. Black Inc. pp. xx–xxii. ISBN 978-1-86395-518-8.