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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | It is great to have an admin like you. Your administrative actions and your great contributions to science and medical are much appreciated. I have also checked that you had nominated Sandstein for adminship. Well, thanks a lot for all these contributions! [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 17:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC) |
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | It is great to have an admin like you. Your administrative actions and your great contributions to science and medical are much appreciated. I have also checked that you had nominated Sandstein for adminship. Well, thanks a lot for all these contributions! [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 17:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC) |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWester&diff=657206660&oldid=656906598] So a month after the discussion ended you come to my talk page to give me nonsense warnings? And I didn't know it was illegal to discuss. Even if it's 3 against one it does not mean the one user is wrong. Discussion is what talk pages are for you know. As an administrator you should know that and otherwise you don't deserve the 'power' you have. --[[User:Wester|Wester]] ([[User talk:Wester|talk]]) 23:03, 19 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:The RfC was closed this week. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 23:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC) |
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::'Was closed'? You closed it. Unnecessarily, because the issue was long resolved. And then you threatened Wester with a block for no discernible reason. And then there are your inflammatory comments on the article's talk page. A quick look through your talk page archives reveals this isn't the first time either. You should really slow down a little and take a good look at what you're closing before you close it, and a good look at who you're warning before you issue warnings. Just some friendly advice. [[Special:Contributions/69.118.152.243|69.118.152.243]] ([[User talk:69.118.152.243|talk]]) 02:41, 20 April 2015 (UTC) |
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== Close of PNAC-related RfC == |
== Close of PNAC-related RfC == |
Revision as of 10:52, 20 April 2015
Note to admins reviewing any of my admin actions (expand to read).
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I am often busy in that "real life" of which you may have read. Blocks are the most serious things we can do: they prevent users from interacting with Wikipedia. Block reviews are urgent. Unless I say otherwise in the block message on the user's talk page, I am happy for any uninvolved admin to unblock a user I have blocked, provided that there is good evidence that the problem that caused the block will not be repeated. All I ask is that you leave a courtesy note here and/or on WP:ANI, and that you are open to re-blocking if I believe the problem is not resolved - in other words, you can undo the block, but if I strongly feel that the issue is still live, you re-block and we take it to the admin boards. The same applies in spades to blocks with talk page access revoked. You are free to restore talk page access of a user for whom I have revoked it, unless it's been imposed or restored following debate on the admin boards. User:DGG also has my permission to undelete or unprotect any article I have deleted and/or salted, with the same request to leave a courtesy note, and I'll rarely complain if any uninvolved admin does this either, but there's usually much less urgency about an undeletion so I would prefer to discuss it first - or ask DGG, two heads are always better than one. I may well add others in time, DGG is just one person with whom I frequently interact whose judgment I trust implicitly. Any WP:BLP issue which requires you to undo an admin action of mine, go right ahead, but please post it immediately on WP:AN or WP:ANI for review. The usual definition of uninvolved applies: you're not currently in an argument with me, you're not part of the original dispute or an editor of the affected article... you know. Apply WP:CLUE. Guy (Help!) 20:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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- In science, any compromise between a correct statement and a wrong statement is a wrong statement. Thanks, user:Stephan Schulz.
- My activity level is 53mKo (milli-Koavfs).
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- I work for Dell Computer but nothing I say or do here is said or done on behalf of Dell. You knew that, right?
About me
I am in my early fifties, British, have been married for over quarter of a century to the world's most tolerant woman, and have two adult children. I am an amateur baritone and professional nerd. I do not tolerate racism, or any kind of bigotry. I sometimes, to my chagrin, mention that I have been an admin for a long time: some people think this is me invoking admin status in order to subdue dissent, actually it's just me as a middle aged parent of young adults saying "oh no, not this shit again". I am British, I have the British sense of humour (correctly spelled) and I absolutely do not have an accent, since I went to a thousand-year-old school. Everything I do or say could be wrong. I try always to be open to that possibility. If you think I am wrong, please just talk to me nicely, and it can all be sorted out like grown-ups. Guy (Help!) 23:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
RfC and other closes
I am am making a good faith best efforts attempt to close backlogged RfCs and other debates from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. These are mainly backlogged because there is no obvious consensus, so any close will undoubtedly annoy someone. I invite review of any such close on WP:ANI, where there are many more watchers than my talk page. I am happy to provide clarification of anything either here or on ANI, please ping me if it's at ANI - that exempts you from the ANI notice, IMO, and I prefer a ping to a talk page notice as the latter tends to spread discussion to multiple venues, which is a nightmare. Feel free to use "email this user" if I am not responding to a request (but remember I live in UTC, soon to be UTC-1). Guy (Help!) 23:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
and stale
May I ask you a biking question?
As a mountain biker who absolutely loved spending time in the Ouachita Mountains riding the Womble Trail, (have a Gary Fisher Sugar 2), I was wondering if you had a mountain bike or preferred road bikes? Hans_Rey was my hero back in 2001-2002. I attended several mountain bike camps, and seriously considered attending one of No Way Rey's clinics when he held it in France. I read some of your blogs back when you had it linked to your UP, which is when I noticed that you enjoyed biking. I truly enjoyed reading the entertaining articles you wrote, especially about your Dad which may be why I relate to you more as a human element than a cyberborg. Regarding mountain biking, I'm not quite as daring today as I was 5 years ago, but I still enjoy mountain biking. I just make it a point to not jump cliffs anymore. Atsme☯Consult 00:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have two mountain bikes, a road bike, a Brompton, an audax bike, a recumbent (two wheel lowracer), a unicycle and a tandem. I have formerly owned a double childback triplet (photo of me riding it). I also have a 2015 model Volvo XC70 and two Honda Jazz. I am not daring at all, especially since the crash a bit over three years ago that came within an inch of killing me, leaving me with post traumatic stress disorder which took a long time to fix. Guy (Help!) 23:29, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
- Crash? Bike or scooter or car? Road rash is never fun, especially at 50 to 70 mph. Sorry to hear you had a crash but it appears your PTS was fixed? I hope so. Please be safe. I actually slowed down riding my motorcycle after seeing and hearing about the wrecks. [1] The mountain biking I try to restrict to riding pine needle cushioned, softly rolling trails like what's on the Womble. Atsme☯Consult 16:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Bike. I was cycling down a hill at something over 20mph when a BMW turned across me and I went into the side of him. I was unconscious for several minutes, broke a rib, wrecked my right knee and left shoulder and the bike was a write-off. Guy (Help!) 21:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Was your Captain America outfit damaged at all? -Roxy the Viking dog™ (resonate) 22:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Bike. I was cycling down a hill at something over 20mph when a BMW turned across me and I went into the side of him. I was unconscious for several minutes, broke a rib, wrecked my right knee and left shoulder and the bike was a write-off. Guy (Help!) 21:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Crash? Bike or scooter or car? Road rash is never fun, especially at 50 to 70 mph. Sorry to hear you had a crash but it appears your PTS was fixed? I hope so. Please be safe. I actually slowed down riding my motorcycle after seeing and hearing about the wrecks. [1] The mountain biking I try to restrict to riding pine needle cushioned, softly rolling trails like what's on the Womble. Atsme☯Consult 16:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Inspiration
Per this diff, you have inspired a userbox. Maybe I'll add pretty colors later. Oh, and a border. A border would be a good idea. - CorbieV☊ 00:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
This user believes WP:AGF is not a suicide pact. |
- Yes please. A border and colours would be nice. I'd use it. -Roxy the Viking dog™ (resonate) 22:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, and a thing to possibly complete
Guy, thanks for your close here and the notification. I took the step of combining the notice you placed at AN with the request I made, see diff, just to keep the two together for "posterity." Of course feel free to undo that if you didn't intend them to be connected. Would you also consider amending the entry at WP:RESTRICT to match the wording you provided, if you think it'd be necessary. Thanks... Zad68
23:06, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
- The "amending the entry at WP:RESTRICT" is a good illustration of Zad's attempting to alter the terms of what was voted upon ( post-vote) by a narrow margin. I prefer that the original decision wording be left unaltered until appeal process complete. Zad's failure to notify me of his, for now, apparently successful separate attempt to alter the terms of the proposal and decision at ANI is also indicative. --— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 06:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- If you have taken that impression you have not comprehended what I wrote I'm afraid. I will abide by the original restriction agreed upon.Watch the article concerned. It has been and will continue to be a good example of all that is wrong with WP --— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 17:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Casein geology
You have received the casein geology barnstar for your great work on the composition of the moon![2] |
Bishonen | talk 23:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC).
- Thank you, I will cherish it always. Guy (Help!) 23:17, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
- When we were working with 4-H kids teaching them how to be good exhibitors, one of the things we taught them was that everybody in the show ring doesn't get a blue ribbon just for showing up. A simple way to put it - credit is due where credit is earned. Oh, and accuracy matters. Atsme☯Consult 14:42, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
New proposal
pls see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Ban Chealer from Wikipedia altogether -- Moxy (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
www.robertankony.com
Hi Guy. You added this domain to the spam blacklist. Can you please take a look at the external links at War, remove the link if you see fit, or add the page to the article exemption list? I came across this when I was prevented from reverting the article blanking. --NeilN talk to me 18:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, would you consider reopening this discussion? I have some comments to make there. I don't feel the nomination was made in bad faith, and in fact I suggested CFD as the correct venue when the OP was pontificating on Template talk:Grading scheme so I feel partially responsible for his being blocked. Obviously deletion is not appropriate, but renaming may resolve some of the concerns and be acceptable to other editors. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- +1; I said the same at WP:AN. Frankly, I don't understand quite why this was the thing that made everybody wanna impose a site ban on him. Alakzi (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- The history makes it plain. An Xfd for those? Maybe not. Try an RfC at WP:CENTRAL first. The scope is very broad. Guy (Help!) 17:57, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Your input is requested
Since this topic interests you, I would appreciate your input over at User_talk:SlimVirgin#Lack_of_enforcement_of_MEDRS_in_food-related_articles. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 21:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
RF Close at safety of e-cigs
I think you may have misplaced the bottom of the RFC close at Safety of e-cigs. Didn't want to move it if there was a reason you left some of the discussion open. SPACKlick (talk) 09:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- The problem was an indented {{quote box}} higher up. It took a bit of tracking down! Guy (Help!) 09:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict):On further inspection it no longer looks that way. I may have an error with one of my widgets. SPACKlick (talk) 09:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Andreas Lubitz
I think your merge close may have been in error. The policy based argument was WP:BIO1E for keep which states: if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified, regardless the article was in the middle of an AfD. I was hoping you could update the close to reflect such. "No consensus to merge, pending 3rd AfD outcome" Valoem talk contrib 16:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think it was not in error, I read the arguments in some detail and am of course familiar with the event. You are welcome to request review at WP:AN. Guy (Help!) 19:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
G. Edward Griffin
It was already under very strict restrictions and now it has full protection. Admin Callanecc is inactive for more than a week. Where do you think that we should report this kind of management? SamuelDay1 (talk) 05:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- What kind of management? What's to report? Guy (Help!) 07:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- These strict restrictions were not needed because majority of editors are having same opinion with sources. What we should do about it? So much time has been wasted on this article already. SamuelDay1 (talk) 08:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Re: WP:BROTHER
Hey! I liked this close, but is it really cool to cite a humourous essay in EDR entry? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, because it is about a real thing, just written humorously. It was openly admitted and I don't want to make it seem like a Huge Big Deal, but the user is definitely on one account. Guy (Help!) 15:56, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Regarding Satyendra Nath's Bose's identifier
I dont see any consensus on the talk page for the change from Indian to Bengali. Brittanica identifies him as Indian (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/74633/Satyendra-Nath-Bose). Also, being Bengali and Indian are not mutually exclusive, there is a distinct and clearly defined Indian Bengali community with its homeland in West Bengal. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 18:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have no opinion on past changes, only present ones. As per talk, NPOV probably should include both. Guy (Help!) 21:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Andreas Lubitz
Deletion review for Andreas Lubitz
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Andreas Lubitz. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
Hi JzG. If you haven't already, would you mind adding this article to your watchlist? I just removed some content that appears to have been removed by you last year and has resulted in the subject of the article posting to the article's talk page. I would appreciate a second set of eyes. Thanks, Tiptoety talk 15:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Special Barnstar | |
It is great to have an admin like you. Your administrative actions and your great contributions to science and medical are much appreciated. I have also checked that you had nominated Sandstein for adminship. Well, thanks a lot for all these contributions! OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC) |
I believe that you misread the consensus of the RfC
Consensus supports either removal of the text entirely, or inclusion but only with the context of Meacher's Truther agenda, but this is likely to be considered WP:UNDUE. None of the specific proposals seems to have consensus yet, so the safest course is to avoid mention altogether at this time.
and the issue has in fact been stably settled on the article [3] for about a month, with the following single sentence and citation to a peer-reviewed secondary source.
British MP Michael Meacher made similar allegations in 2003, stating that Rebuilding America's Defences was "a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana," which had been "drawn up for" key members of the Bush administration.
I don't know whether there is a need (and don't want to bother) challenging the close, but in case there are problems later, perhaps you could clarify your reading of the consensus?--Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 04:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Editing through protection
Guy, you CANNOT use your administrator privileges to edit through protection on a page you are WP:INVOLVED with. This isn't open for discussion, you cannot do it period. This is the second time I've had to make a similar point to you regarding this. Please do not do it again. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:32, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Are you referring tot he correction of a trivial error on the Griffin article? Guy (Help!) 07:41, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but it doesn't matter what it is, you cannot use administrator privileges to edit through protection on a page and conflict you are involved with. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:52, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Here is the edit: [4]. If you think that violates WP:INVOLVED then I suggest you are being overly sensitive. It was an utterly banal and uncontroversial edit request with no dissenters, no plausible dissent, and nobody made any complaint when I did it or since. And that's in a context where one editor would dearly love to have the entire reality-based community banned from the article. It introduced no substantive change to the article.
- What would help is getting someone to close the RfCs so we can maybe move on from the endless repetition of rejected demands for edits re laetrile, especially. Did you see Atsme's essay on "COI ducks", essentially claiming that the existence of a body of editors opposing apologia for quackery means that users are entitled to draw the conclusion that they are shills for Big Pharma? Frankly I have had enough of this article, but as you can hardly fail to be aware, long term civil POV-pushing can be a highly effective strategy, because everybody else gets bored with the drama or loses their temper and gets topic banned. Guy (Help!) 08:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Remember, the most important thing to a bureaucrat is bureacracy and the rules. Sanity is no defence William M. Connolley (talk) 08:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have to say to does seem bureaucratic. Still, maybe this is current thinking on WP - it would certainly explain why we have so many backlogs. Guy (Help!) 08:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- It's got nothing to do with bureaucracy, you are involved in the dispute, you can, therefore, not use administrator privileges. I said I was going to have a low tolerance approach and that's what makes this 'period' rather than shouldn't. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Beaurocracy gone mad is what it is. Changing "a" to "an". Right. -Roxy the Viking dog™ (resonate) 10:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- In response to a {{editprotected}} unopposed then and now. And let's not forget that the only reason the article is protected is due to long-term civil POV-pushing by an editor who appears at this point to have drunk liberally of the kool-aid. Guy (Help!) 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Beaurocracy gone mad is what it is. Changing "a" to "an". Right. -Roxy the Viking dog™ (resonate) 10:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- It's got nothing to do with bureaucracy, you are involved in the dispute, you can, therefore, not use administrator privileges. I said I was going to have a low tolerance approach and that's what makes this 'period' rather than shouldn't. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have to say to does seem bureaucratic. Still, maybe this is current thinking on WP - it would certainly explain why we have so many backlogs. Guy (Help!) 08:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but it doesn't matter what it is, you cannot use administrator privileges to edit through protection on a page and conflict you are involved with. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:52, 20 April 2015 (UTC)