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::{{yo|Michitaro}} thanks. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span></font>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="3"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span></font>]] 04:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC) |
::{{yo|Michitaro}} thanks. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span></font>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="3"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span></font>]] 04:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC) |
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{{yo|Joshua Jonathan}} just to say, that I don't want you to delete my posts on talk pages as you did here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Four_Noble_Truths&diff=prev&oldid=774136747]. When I asked you to warn me about any problematical behaviour first and attempt amicable settlement before taking me to WP:ANI, it wasn't intended as permission to delete my talk page posts. I hope you understand. If I am in agreement with your reasons I can always delete the posts myself. [[User:Robertinventor|Robert Walker]] ([[User talk:Robertinventor|talk]]) 11:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Joshua - there are 40 different articles and references for notability and you yourself made the entry. Why are you behaving this way? It seems you are just trying to vandalize any page I contribute to. There is no need for this. Professoremeritus (talk) 05:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Read the explanation at Talk:Zenji Nio#Re-insertion, instead of re-inserting your stuff. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Relax, enjoy a cup of chocolate in your garden. There is no hurry to repair the article, please consider a self-rv. JimRenge (talk) 14:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- You're right, I know. Thanks. Ehm, cold chocolate? It's a warm spring here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:42, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Relax, enjoy a cup of chocolate in your garden. There is no hurry to repair the article, please consider a self-rv. JimRenge (talk) 14:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree we should all chill out. Kindly don't take my words the wrong way JJ as I've tried to be very respectful and courteous and a contributing member. Just felt that you were targeting any and every edit of mine like a witch-hunt when they are in good faith. I've listed my reasoning on the talk page. I'm glad to try and re-edit the portions I added. Olive branch and Namaste :) Professoremeritus (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Zenji Acharya
I noticed you've been trying to edit the Zenji Nio page. I have also had some problems with that page, some of which have to do with the apparent fact that the person Zenji Nio previously or currently goes by the name Zenji Acharya (see images here and here). That itself is not a problem, but there were major issues with pages associated with Zenji Acharya on Wikipedia in the past. You can see them at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Buddhakahika/Archive. This page and those other pages might have no relationship, but I thought you might want to know.Michitaro (talk) 04:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Michitaro: thanks. I already noted the mention of SGI; that's a red flag for problems. @Dougweller, Bishonen, and Bbb23: to inform you there are some problems at this page. I suspect this "professor" is not a newbie; knows too much Wiki-jargon already. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:58, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- This was also interesting. @JimRenge: I've opened an SPI. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the info @Michitaro:. JimRenge (talk) 07:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Professoremeritus is unaware of or misunderstands Zen Buddhism apparently. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Josh for the kind message and picture about the Bodhisattva - I took a few days off to visit my in-laws with the kids and deal with family stuff. In that spirit of the Bodhisattva, I have re-edited the article taking out every single reference to Buddhism and only focusing on the athletes he taught meditation to, the BBC, the Canadian Ministers mentioned in the National Post and the Paralympics. Thats it. Both you and Jim seemed to agree to this. Buddhists do not need to call themselves Buddhist and so no mention of Buddhism needs to be made as you recommended. But the Olympics, BBC and Ministers are relevant as is meditation and motivation. Also, his Compassion website says he dropped "Acharya" in solidarity with Dalits and to stand up against the caste system. In India, dropping a Brahmin surname to empower dalits is very much the work of a Bodhisattva. As all of us have read Buddhist sutras, we should now focus on putting the themes of compassion and fairness into action and I hope the final edits I made will bring equanimity to all. May we all be like Bodhisattvas Professoremeritus (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Joshua - I edited the intro based on suggestions I saw of yours and Jims. Then I saw a message from Michitaro on my talk page and so I just added back the sections he had also edited (Olympics, Paras, Reception). I'll leave it at that. I hope you will yourself ok it or a senior Admin can deal with it as I've got other things to deal with. May the laws of Karma prevail.
- With due respect Sarah, the majority of Buddhists, over 90 % are not Zen Buddhists and they find the whole "Kill the Buddha" concept to be blasphemous. So while popular with a small but vocal section of Western atheist Buddhists in online communities, it is deeply offensive to Asian Buddhists from many Asian nations as well as Western Buddhists from other non-Zen traditions all of whom also visit Wikipedia. Professoremeritus (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
For the talkpage-stalkers: see Talk:Zenji Nio#Comments by User:Artbitration and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Buddhakahika, and this nice quote [zenji.org from mr. Zenji himself (the irony, referring to a Zen-title, yet complaining about a famous saying from Linji about idolatry):
- "The sutras make it clear that when the Lord Buddha returns as Maitreya, He will be born to a Brahmin Buddhist family. Above all, in the Lotus Sutra is says that paramparo or lineage based schooling is the highest schooling and that all Heavenly Buddhas have Bharadwaj Gotra which is the exact same gotra of Zenji's lineage! Therefore, Zenji's responsibility and role as a Brahmin-Buddhist Acharya is of incalculable significance (the term Acharya itself was originally for the exclusive use of Zenji's lineage - a tradition that India upholds to this day). (Inset - Zenji being ordained as a Brahmin where he shaves his head and gives up his social identity for the Dharma)."
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:43, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- The fascinating thing is that Buddhist Pali, Hindu Sanskrit and Jain Prakrit languages do not have a historic word for "blasphemy / blaspheme / etc"! The closest may be Nindati (निन्दति) which means "condemn, ridicule, critique ideas". Nothing is blasphemous! Makes sense, given the dhamma / dharma texts in these three religions, their discourse on non-violence, loving-kindness and tough-love, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:28, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Linji probably wouldn't have been pleased by the way the Buddha, or Buddhist spirit, is killed by the intolerance which is now prevalent in some Buddhist countries. It's exactly this kind of attitude this famous saying is directed against: idolatry kills Buddhism; when idolatry appears, smash it! As Sam Harris writes: "to turn the Buddha into a religious fetish is to miss the essence of what he taught." Idolatry, of course, can also appeal to persons... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed, Linji would be puzzled. Yet, 'smash' there is metaphorical. It is another way to understanding the three poisons. No moha. No raga. No dvesha. No attachments to icons/images/idols. No attachments against icons/images/idols. Let it be. Let the artists create. Let art thrive. Yet don't just see shapes. See the message. Feel the meaning. Feel the infinite. Feel the nothing. Smash the 'smash'! Poor Linji, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 06:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, the metaphor is just a skillful pedagogical means, adapted to the specific obstacles of his listeners/readers. JimRenge (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed, Linji would be puzzled. Yet, 'smash' there is metaphorical. It is another way to understanding the three poisons. No moha. No raga. No dvesha. No attachments to icons/images/idols. No attachments against icons/images/idols. Let it be. Let the artists create. Let art thrive. Yet don't just see shapes. See the message. Feel the meaning. Feel the infinite. Feel the nothing. Smash the 'smash'! Poor Linji, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 06:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
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FYI, I have taken the WP:NLT issue created by the new user Artbitration on Talk:Zenji Nio to ANI: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Legal_threats_at_Talk:Zenji_Nio. Michitaro (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- And admins quickly blocked Artbitration indefinitely. Michitaro (talk) 03:47, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Michitaro: thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Deleting my posts from article talk pages
@Joshua Jonathan: just to say, that I don't want you to delete my posts on talk pages as you did here: [1]. When I asked you to warn me about any problematical behaviour first and attempt amicable settlement before taking me to WP:ANI, it wasn't intended as permission to delete my talk page posts. I hope you understand. If I am in agreement with your reasons I can always delete the posts myself. Robert Walker (talk) 11:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)