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:I really don't know what I can add to what I have already said about this. Exactly what information is "invalid"? If you can specify then it will be possible to look at the evidence, and consider whether to remove the "invalid" information. However, it is clear that the essential outline of the controversy is supported by reliable sources. You say that the article refers to "unofficial invalid sources". I am not sure what you mean by "unofficial". If you mean that we should only accept government sources, or that we should only accept sources that are approved by the subject of the article, then you seriously misunderstand the nature of Wikipedia. Our criterion for acceptance of a source is [[WP:RS|reliability]], not "officialness". If we were to restrict ourselves to officially approved sources then we would impose a considerable bias. I have previously asked you why you do not regard the Kolkata Telegraph as a reliable source, but you have not answered. You repeatedly refer to www.nccs.res.in/gck.html but, as I have pointed out before, that appears to be completely irrelevant, since, as far as I can see, it makes no mention at all of the controversy. If it mentioned the controversy but said things about it that were inconsistent with the account given in the article, then there would certainly be a case for adding mention of that site's version to what is already there. However, since it does not make any mention of the controversy, I frankly fail to see the relevance. A further point is that the page you refer to is on the web site of an organisation that Gopal Kundu works for, so that it is unlikely to be an impartial or unbiased source. You say "Please consider this request because it affects his reputation", and that seems to be the crux of the matter. Your editing has been solely concerned with promoting his (your?) reputation. Wikipedia does not exist in order to host encomiums. The page at www.nccs.res.in/gck.html to which you refer is clearly written by or on behalf of Gopal Kundu, in order to show him in the light in which he and his employers wish to show him. You do not seem to have fully grasped the point that Wikipedia has a very different function, namely to present an independent, third party account, including both positive and negative aspects. If you thought, when you first wrote an article on Gopal Kundu, that Wikipedia was a free web host which would host a promotional article on behalf of him (you?), and that you could control the content of the article so that it would show only those aspects that you wished to publicise, then unfortunately you misunderstood the nature of Wikipedia. |
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:I have spent some time trying to clarify this, since you do not seem to have grasped the point of my earlier attempts. I hope I have succeeded. In a nutshell, the points are: simply saying that there is "invalid" content, without explaining what content is "invalid" and why, is not helpful; simply saying that sources are "unofficial" does not invalidate them; Wikipedia does not exist to promulgate an "official" or "approved" version of a subject, but covers all sides, positive negative and neutral. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 12:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC) |
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99.70.66.43
Why did you block 99.70.66.43 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) immediately after my 3RR warning? There were no edits after the warning. causa sui (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Because the editor was evading a block, and because the editor has had more than enough warnings on various IP talk pages. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Where? I've been asking in various places for the history, and mostly what I see is an IP in a content dispute with a registered editor, where both are edit warring, but the IP is getting railroaded because he's a newbie. causa sui (talk) 21:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- You may be right. Unfortunately I have to go offline now, and don't have time to check. Feel free to undo my block if you think that's right. I'll look at it again tomorrow. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Where? I've been asking in various places for the history, and mostly what I see is an IP in a content dispute with a registered editor, where both are edit warring, but the IP is getting railroaded because he's a newbie. causa sui (talk) 21:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Eh. After seeing this, I'm inclined to call it a day as well. causa sui (talk) 22:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
I cannot get a valid user name, because RepublicanJacobite keeps getting people to block me. Due to my service provider, I get a new IP address every time I log in, so that is why my IP changes, and I am not socking. RJ continues to UNDO every change I make. He threatens to undo all my edits "til Doomsday." Although I add nothing but facts to the Ordinary People plot page, RJ calls my edits silly. Just above he calls it "crap." When he is chastised by other editors for engaging in an obvious edit war with me, he changes his tune to falsely naive: "oh, sorry. I shouldn't have done that." Of course he shouldn't. He has been warned to stop accusing well-intentioned editors of vandalism, but he still does so continuously. When Drmies (correctly) did not take barring action, he went to JamesBWatson instead to get me barred. It is not vandalism to state that Conrad (Ordinary People) cursed at his parents. It is a simple fact. It's among the most explosive scenes in the film. It is not crap. Just because RJ disagrees is not reason for him to disparrage me to his friends across Wikipedia. He cannot start (and continue) multiple edit wars and then say "aw, shucks, I know I shouldn't have, but go ban the other guy and not me." JamesBWatson has allowed RJ to get away with just that, and it is not fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.70.65.183 (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Again, I cannot get a valid user name, because RepublicanJacobite keeps getting people to block me. So I must use anon for now. Due to my service provider, I get a new IP address every time I log in, so that is why my IP changes, and I am not socking. RJ continues to UNDO every change I make. He threatens to undo all my edits "til Doomsday."
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.70.66.43
He writes: "I do not care what that admin. says...every edit you make from here 'til doomsday will be reverted on sight." As you can see, several admins chastised RJ for his vandalising of my edits, and he simply said, in his own words, that he does not care what the admins say and he will continue to vandalize my work.
If you block me for too many reverts within 24 hours, then I accept that. But as other admins have discussed, you must also block RJ for warring, newbie biting, too many reverts, falsely acsusing someone of vandalism, etc. 64.183.42.60 (talk) 18:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Still awaiting a clarification from you please. RepublicanJacobite continues an edit war with me, including the above citations where he threatens to undo any and all edits I make forever, and where he blatently says he does not care what other admins tell him. He is blatently stating his willful intention to stalk all my edits forever, which we all know is a policy violation. So I would like to know why you blocked me and not him? Thank you for the clarification.
99.61.49.207 (talk) 21:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
We are again awaiting explanation. You block one party in an edit war (but not the other party). You were asked why you did this and what validation you have. Instead of offering proof, you say "I have to go offline now, and don't have time to check." 99.93.150.57 (talk) 14:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- That was in response to "mostly what I see is an IP in a content dispute with a registered editor, where both are edit warring, but the IP is getting railroaded because he's a newbie", not to your insistent demands that I answer your questions. The editor who asked that question had decided to drop the matter by the time I came back the next day, so there was no need to answer. However, since you have raised the matter again, the most striking difference between the two was that one editor was stalking the other, following that editor to other articles, and reverting their edits, evidently as a kind of childish revenge attack. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Sir, no one demanded that you answer anyone's questions. I was, however, respectfully asking about when you arbitrate an edit war...why do you block one of the guilty parties and not the other? You seemed to have answered that by mentioning stalking and reverting, but you imply that I myself was the only one doing so. If RepublicanJacobite does not like my original edit to A Beautiful Mind, then he has the right to revert it. No problem. But how then did RepublicanJacobite even discover that I also made an edit to Ordinary People? Or Fight Club? The only way to discover that is to stalk all my posts, and you know this as well as I. He clearly followed me around Wikipedia and reverted every single thing I wrote. That is the very definition of stalking. You call this behavior childish, so why not block him instead of only me? In addition, he wrote on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.70.66.43 that he intends to further stalk/revert my work till doomsday. It's one thing to revert every single entry an editor makes, but it's even worse when you use a public forum to threaten to do so forever. 99.93.150.57 (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- RepublicanJacobite has been editing Ordinary People at least since April 2010. I can see no evidence that you did so before October 2011. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I edited it in October, yes. He reverted my edit. He then went through my history and reverted all my other edits to numerous other articles. And he continues to do so to this day. I understand he's edited Ordinary People since 2010. If he wants to revert my edit, that is fine. The point is that he looks up ALL my edits, ALL the time, and instantly reverts anything I've edited. If you think I am making that up, then I again refer everyone to the comment he left me on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.70.66.43 He is admitting in his own words that he will stalk my edits til doomsday. If you do not value the case I make for myself, then please value the case that his own words make against himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.93.150.57 (talk) 16:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- RepublicanJacobite has withdrawn from the dispute. I do not believe he will continue to revert your edits. You might wish to consider reading Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy to understand why he was reverting your additions in the first place. Best, Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 19:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Enphase Energy deleted
i have cut the text from another article because that text was about the company, this text has been there for a long time with no deletion, since there are thousands of articles about companies i dont see the case for deletion, one can discuss the wikipedia rules, but one thing is for sure whatever they maybe they should be applied to all pages with fairness, therefore based on thousands of precedents i would request that the page would be undeleted. thank you!Labbratt (talk) 03:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see the relevance of the fact that there are thousands of other articles about companies. If you mean that there are thousands of articles which are written as advertisements, then unfortunately you are right. They are deleted when they are brought to administrators' attention, but with well over three million articles on English Wikipedia alone it is not possible for anyone to check them all. You may like to look at WP:OTHERSTUFF. The existence of a lot of bad articles is not a reason for keeping other bad articles too. I am not at all sure what you mean by "i have cut the text from another article because that text was about the company, this text has been there for a long time with no deletion". If you mean that you copied the text from another Wikipedia article without attribution, then that would be an infringement of copyright of the author of the content, as Wikipedia's licensing terms require attribution for any reuse, and that would be another reason for deletion. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- I have now searched, and found that you did indeed copy the material from Solar micro-inverter. Apart from the attribution issue, having two copies of the same material in two different articles is usually unhelpful for a number of reasons, including the difficulty of keeping corrections, updates, etc, coordinated. An article which duplicates part of another article is liable to be deleted under speedy deletion criterion A10 (an article that duplicates an existing topic). JamesBWatson (talk) 13:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Than you for the reply, careful checking of the matter would have saved u some lines, i didnt duplicate any content, i have cut from one page where it was not appropriate and created a topic related page. since this page was deleted literally seconds after creation, a good guess can be that the question was not it was a bad page, but instead some auto-system that enables willing participants to act instantly (this page was deleted before), this overdrive is probably also the cause for no justification on what made this page invalid. if u are willing to clean up wikipedia we can go over thousands of company pages and compare with this one, but it would be quite a slash, so maybe its more reasonable to have another look to this page and give it a try, on my end i will try to improve it to better fit the rules instead of cutting it by the root i believe its more constructive.Labbratt (talk) 07:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- The article was deleted "literally seconds after creation": to be precise, 28 minutes after creation. Anyway, the fact remains that the article was deleted because it looked like advertising. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
NicePeter
Hello Mr. JamesBWatson! I just noticed that you flagged Nice Peter's page for deletion, and I just want to ask you to Undo it.... I know the page it's not all tha complete yet, but it has like 10 days up and me and a bunch of friends are setting up a nicepeter fan page called www.welovenicepeter.com so we can gather all the nice peter fans. I've already asked some friends to help me improve the page so it's better, around these days they'll come and help me complete it... So please, unflag the page so we can fully complete and correct it... Again, I can't do it by myself because I'm not english speaker as you might notice... But my friends are coming to save the page... Thanks for taking your time with this message. Edit1: I'm sorry, I'm new on Wikipedia, so I didn't know that I was supposed to reply or give a reason for UNDO the PROD... I'm really sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuakoHawk (talk • contribs) 06:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
JuakoHawk (talk) 05:43, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- You didn't have to give a reason for removing the PROD, but it does help to do so, as it lets other people know why you think it is worth keeping. However, Wikipedia is not a place for fan pages. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
U4Ria Page
Hi James, you have recently deleted the Wikipedia page on U4Riashop. I have spend hours in creating this page as it was my first time creating a page for a company which I think it deserves to be featured on Wikipedia. U4Ria has been around in the sex toy industries for more than 10 years. And I had seek permission of using the company's materials to support my writing here in Wikipedia. Please allow me to recover the work I have feature for U4Ria hours ago. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chengkingxiang (talk • contribs) 10:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- The article was blatant advertising. Wikipedia is not a medium for advertising or promotion of any sort. If that were the only problem I might be willing to restore a copy of the material, not as an article, but as a userspace page, for you to work on. However, that is not the only problem. There is also the copyright issue. I cannot restore material that appears to infringe copyright: to do so would be illegal. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Please advise which part of the article is violating as advertising sort. I am writing a biography about the company. The infringement on the copyright was an misunderstanding. The similar written article appearing from another site is originally from me too. An email was send to Wikipedia to verify on the copyright issue. Please let me know what else I need to do to recover the article? I'm lost as I'm totally new here. Chengkingxiang (talk) 15:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- "Which part of the article is violating as advertising sort"? is that a joke? The whole article from start to finish was an advertisement, full of such language as "trail blazing", "broke new ground in the retail scene", "There is no request too difficult or troublesome", etc etc. If you really honestly can write a whole page of that kind of stuff and not think it is advertising then you are so out of touch with what you are doing that it is unlikely you will ever be able to write an objective, detached, article, as required for Wikipedia. I am somewhat surprised at the difference in standard of English that you used in writing the article from that which you have used in writing here. Since you are writing on behalf of the company, you have a conflict of interest, and shouldn't be writing an article on the subject: Wikipedia articles need to be written from a detached, third party standpoint. I have searched, and found nothing at all to suggest that this business is notable enough to be the subject of an article in an encyclopaedia. Even if you were to rewrite the article so that it was not remotely promotional, it would probably be deleted for lack of notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Your comments are valuable to me, especially when writing an article for the first time on Wikipedia. I am also planning to write articles for other adult toy shops in Singapore. The reason I have chosen this topic because I cannot find a related topic on this from Wikipedia. Adult Toy shop in Singapore was extremely rare from the beginning and now more shops like these are opening in Singapore. And I think it will be a good chance to express my writing about these shops in Wikipedia. My apology that my context seems an advertisement to you. Perhaps I should support my writing with a more notable information. The reason I have chosen U4Riashop to start with my first writing because the company has been around for more than 10 years in Singapore as compare to some of the Adult Toy shops. I believe I can obtain more information from this company to support my writing. Most of the supporting information were scattered around online. I believe other writers from Wikipedia may be able to assist in getting the article done. I know that U4Riashop was featured in popular magazines in Singapore. I will be contacting the company again to obtain hard copy of supporting information. I also know that the company is a core distributor for Adult Toy in Singapore, the company may be able to obtain relevant information from these companies in supporting my writing for them. I will make sure that nothing is infringed in the copyrights when these materials are used. I hope you can see that hard work was involved in writing my first piece of article in Wikipedia. Here are some supporting information in hoping to recover my first piece of article:
- MediaCorp TV - the company was featured by a popular TV channel in Singapore under the section of News And Current Affairs Series number 13: A healthy lifestyle shop in Orchard Road selling a comprehensive array of sex products has been pulling in the crowds. Sound bite of B K Chua, Business Development Manager of U4Ria. (00:16:58)
- Eros Coaching - a sexologist recommending the company.
- CozyCot - an online women's lifestyle featuring about the company.
- I did not backup a copy of the article which was deleted on Wikipedia. Please allow me to recover the article so that I can make it right. Your great help is deeply appreciated! Chengkingxiang (talk) 03:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Deleted page: List of Library Associations specific to American states
I have been adding links on the page List of Library Associations, which includes an internal link to List of Library Associations specific to American states which didn't exist. The page I created was a continuation of the first list. What should I do differently so that this list isn't deleted. SRHMGSLP (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Personally I don't think that articles which consist of nothing but lists are useful at all. However, lists which link to existing Wikipedia articles on notable subjects are widely accepted. Articles which contain nothing but external links are not acceptable, though. I have no idea whether the items on your list are notable enough to have Wikipedia articles. If they aren't then I suggest forgetting about it, or if they are you may like to turn it into a list of links to Wikipedia articles. However, that does not mean start creating articles on non-notable subjects just to justify having them on a list: doing that will just lead to a waste of time as the articles are all deleted. I have restored the deleted article for now, so that you can use it as a base to work from if you like. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, my next step will be to locate the Wikipedia articles that relate to these pages, many of which are notable organizations. Though I agree that a page of lists is not notable, I think that sometimes lists can bring together information to help lead users to the notable information. SRHMGSLP (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
ANI notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is ****ed up? No, fucked up!. Thank you. HurricaneFan25 | talk 18:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Although I argued for the lifting of this block I have to say that I thought the block itself was good based on what was known at the time. With hindsight the signs were there but I also didn't realise that parental filters could work in that way so I can't blame you for missing them. My main reason for commenting at ANI was that people were making assumptions that he should have known what the problem was when I thought that was far from clear from the notices he was given. Dpmuk (talk) 22:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind help in protecting BRAVE DESTINY
Thanks for your kind help in protecting BRAVE DESTINYImmunonuclear (talk) 19:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
RepublicanJacobite tried to hide the notability of Brave Destiny by his "heavy editing" and then putting it up for deletion. A very clever operation. Although he may be an excellent editor in some cases, I think I read a strong bias in his editing this by calling me "a sycophant of Terrance Lindall." Also, he says I may be "too close to the subject" to be a reliable editor. But if one knows nothing about the subject how can one write an accurate article? It defeats the point of wikipedia, which overall is a fine thing. Besides, It had a major article in Art & Antiques in 2006. A & A was at the time the world's largest magazine of it's kind with many famous writers. And Brave Destiny is mentioned in many excellent ways all over the internet. Also my google web-site [1]was attacked last night after I mentioned it's existence to surrealists on the talk page of surrealism, which mention was immediately deleted by RepublicanJacobite. This RJ editor is indeed a vandal. Again thanks!Immunonuclear (talk) 22:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
IBM product pages
Hi James, The page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Communication_Service_Enablers_(ICSE) - was deleted earlier. I have re-written the ICSE page in Sandbox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wikiuser164/sandbox. Could you please check if this is fine for posting on Wikipedia? I based this on other similar pages like IBM WebSphere - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_WebSphere. Do let me know if there are issues. Wikiuser164 (talk) 06:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- NOTE: the above was posted on my talk page. It's evidently meant for you, so I have copied it across, but I also gave him my answer - see User talk:JohnCD#IBM product pages. JohnCD (talk) 10:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- The thing that strikes me at once is doubt as to the notability of the product. I'm sure that to IBM it's important, but is it significant enough to the world at large to justify an article in an encyclopaedia just about that product? JamesBWatson (talk) 10:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I write a lot of tech things in r/l ... Websphere=notable, zOS=notable, ICSE=? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Help
Um, James, I just wanted to know, where can you report users who are making attacks on other editors? Abhijay (talk) 11:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- You normally start at WP:WQA, or if it's really bad, WP:ANI (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi - I see that you deleted 2011-12 Youth Premier League; the editor has now re-created it with much the same nonsense. Can you delete this again? Thanks. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Mangoes
Hi, I've replaced the potentially copyvio text in Began Phali. Could you have another look over it?
Cheers,
Catfish Jim and the soapdish 16:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Brave Destiiny
Here is what RepublicanJacobite posted: (cur | prev) 01:33, 3 November 2011 RepublicanJacobite (talk | contribs) (56,769 bytes) (→Thanks for your kind help in protecting BRAVE DESTINY: ---I'm done, let the bastard do what he likes.) (undo)
Are there are wiki policies against such blatant hostility and use of such language on the site?Immunonuclear (talk) 16:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
He also posted this: I'm done. I have removed the article and the AfD from my watchlist. I no longer care what happens with the article. Let Immunonuclear create all the self-promoting bullshit articles he chooses. If I have learned one thing in the past week, it is that there is no reward for effort. It is not worth it. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 01:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
My goodness! He uses words like "BULLSHIT"!!!???? And he edits on this site! He is not an objective cool head. Immunonuclear (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Proxy unblock requests
Hello James. I've just unblocked user:Caitsith2's IP address. No complaints, but I've seen you respond to a few unblock requests of this type, which are all appreciated, and I just wanted to share some experience as someone who's probably dealt with a few more. In my experience well over half of proxy unblock requests should be unblocked as the IP never was or is no longer open, half of the remainder are using an open proxy unwittingly and should receive our assistance to edit, while much less than a quarter, no less than that even, are knowingly using an open proxy. It is worth remembering when responding that the majority will have no idea what an open proxy is. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Deleted Article: ITMA (Internationale Textilmaschinen Ausstellung)
Hi JamesBWatson, my article was deleted by you sometime in October. I've edited the article and would need your help to review if there's any issue with it. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MPIntl/ITMA_%28Internationale_Textilmaschinen_Ausstellung%29 Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you! MPIntl (talk) 05:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Copyright+Promotion
Dear JamesBWatson,
First of all, I would like to mention that I'm new to wikipedia as an editor and I would like to learn more and do it better. On the other hand, I've been a long time user, promoter and donor of Wikipedia.
I would like to learn more from your experience and perspective, since you have deleted a page that I've created.
If you could kindly answer my three questions, you'll be helping me a lot:
My two questions for Copyright (Your regarding note is also quoted below) - Does any simple statement regarding a living person is an issue of copyright? Should I simply change the order or the selection of words from any biography? - I know the owner of the CitizensofCulture page and made him remove his short resume from his page, so since it's not there and it's about someones professional life, can it be an issue for copyright?
I have seen your post to Talk:Eray AKDAG, in which you said "This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because the mentioned parts were already deleted from the citizens of culture web page". However, copyright does not lapse because the material in which it subsists is no longer on public display. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
My question for Promotion (Your regarding note is also quoted below) - Which areas seem to be promotional to you, I would like to delete the related parts next time. On these information were gathered from a formal bio at an embassy and various formal pages.
Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much in advance.
Best Regards,
Erkandagdelen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erkandagdelen (talk • contribs) 16:59, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
- If you basically copy something and change the words a bit then you are on dodgy ground as far as copyright is concerned. Legally, if what you write is essentially copied from someone else's work it is a copyright infringement, even if the wording is not identical. There is no magic formula to say how different the wording has to be to avoid a charge of copyright infringement, but broadly speaking if it is similar enough that a reasonable person comparing the two would think that one version is a modified copy of the other then it is likely to be a copyright infringement.
- The fact that a particular text has been removed from public display does not alter the copyright status of that text. Once it has been written, copyright subsists in the text.
- I can't really pick out "which areas seem to be promotional", because it was really a matter of the tone and character of the article as a whole, rather than specific parts of it. However, I will quote you one illustrative sentence: "TUSIAD, in conformity with the universal principles of business ethics, supports independent research and policy discussions on important social and economic issues in Turkey and abroad". That is the sort of language that a business or organisation uses in its own material, to impress us with how good it is: it is not the sort of language that third parties use in giving independent objective accounts. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Canned Yams
As i was editing my bio for my account i noticed that Wikipedia doesn't have Canned Yams. After the deletion of Alan McCurdy i have been looking for something to do with my life. Would Canned Yams be qualified for a proper Wikipedia page? For reference i cite Sliced Bread, Canned coffee, and the famous Canned Heat. Thank you,(EaglesX63 (talk) 19:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC))
- personally I wouldn't spend my time writing an article on canned coffee or canned yams, but then my approach is to write articles only when I find a subject which seems to deserve one, rather than looking for subjects to write articles on, so my perspective will be very different from yours. I neither know nor much care about how notable canned yams are: my guess is not very, but you can try writing an article on it if you like, and see if it stays. I can only assume that your reference to "Canned Heat" is a joke of some sort. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Rick Yu
I am wondering why you chose to vandalize the Malvern Collegiate Institute page by deleting a properly sourced and cited point under the notable alumni section. You referred to repeated vandalism, yet how can you know that this is vandalism, simply if you have not heard of the person referenced. Rick Yu may not be known to you, but he is certainly well known in the neighbourhood Wonderbreadtown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.85.66 (talk) 20:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) If Rick Yu is not notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia, then he cannot be listed as "notable alumni" on the article - pretty basic concept here. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 20:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Extremely dubious edit
In hindsight, it's an easy call - and you're right, I should've indeffed immediately. At the time, I didn't know whether it was some sort of spam/advertising or what. That's part of why I nailed down the unambiguous final/immediate warning, so that he'd get the boot immediately after failing to get the hint. Mea Culpa. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 20:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
teabulla
I believe that teabulla should not be deleted since it is a new word and gets its meaning from its component (tea and bulla )that make teabulla and both of them are protective .Bulla necklace in past that protect chilrden from diseases and as of now tea as a drink that help us to have healthy life and can protect our body.So introducing a new word teabulla as a protective tea or holy tea that make people healthy can be meaningful even though it is the name of a teashop ,coffee shop in manila ,phillipines.MANY people want to know the meaning of this new word and i think you should let the people to know the idea behind making that word so people can connect with that word and feel it . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.92.245.65 (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) This is not a dictionary, it's an encyclopedia. It's not a place for newly made-up words (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to request some help. You blocked this user [2] with the comment "Block evasion and persistent copyright infringements". Do you remember by any chance which block was he evading? Was he user:Iaaasi under yet another alias or a completely unrelated editor? Hobartimus (talk) 18:48, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, sorry I didn't respond to this earlier. The block was 11 months ago, and I don't remember the circumstances. However, looking back at the history now, it looks very much to me as though it probably was Iaaasi. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Stubes99 aka 84.2?
Hi James, could you have a look at what's going on at Talk:Black Army of Hungary? I don't know if I'm handling this well at all... Cheers and TIA. - DVdm (talk) 10:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like you took care of it. Thanks, cheers and night. - DVdm (talk) 22:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Iadrian yu (banned user: Iaaasi from an other internet connection)
user:Iadrian yu is very often participated in edit warrings and as you can see in the history of his contribs: When he tried to monopolise Wiki articles, he have never cared even about the basic three revert rule too. However, he didn't get any warnings and blocks (Is it Double standard?) --84.0.114.45 (talk) 11:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Why there is a big silence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.90.197 (talk) 12:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Page protection
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Everton Dasent (talk) 13:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
How to edit.
Okay, I am sorry for causing vandalism as you claim it. But I am sincerely wanted to make a contribution . I wanted to edit the page RMLNLU, as it is the college I am currently studying in. This site. http://www.legallyindia.com/wiki/RMLNLU_Lucknow also talks about the same college and theerfor I just copied the entire page and pasted it on the wiki page and I was accused of vandalism. I have no clue how wiki works but please Incorporate these things on the RMLNLU page and remove the vandalism . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.237.34 (talk) 13:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
User talk:96.48.134.74
In the past you have warned anonymous user from 96.48.134.74 about uploading copyrighted advertising material into WP. Well it happened again. I do not know how to block users but invite you to check out the Volkswagen New Beetle page's history.
Peace, Dave (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 16:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Your proposal for deletion of "Andrea Monti (lawyer)" page
Dear JamesBWatson, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Many (most) of the quoted sources in this page come from Wikipedia Italia where have been found to be compliant with its standards, and the facts cited are - IMHO - of some interest for an English-speaking reader since they represent a "bridge" between Italy and the US. To help me understand your opinion, could you please elaborate your point? I would be really grateful if you could answer the question I've asked in the talk page, after its creation: "Hello All, I understand that, strictly speaking, this page might look as an autobiography, although I tried to be as neutral as possible. If I've failed to meet Wikipedia's standards, could I ask for help to fix what has been written contrary to Wikipedia's rules? Best Regards. Andreamonti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreamonti (talk • contribs) 18:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- I have given my reasons at greater length at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Monti (lawyer). However, I will just mention a couple of points that I have not mentioned there, but which relate to your message here.
- Our inclusion criteria are to do with a subject's having received a significant amount of coverage in reliable sources, not to do with anyone's judgement as to what is "of some interest".
- What other articles exist in Wikipedia is of little relevance. See WP:OTHERSTUFF fir one reason why. In addition, Italian Wikipedia may or may not have different inclusion criteria than English Wikipedia. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Japanese Street Art
Hello,
My name is John (Herezjonny2000). I live in Okinawa, Japan and am doing a project for my class called edit Wikipedia to help improve the site in an attempt to create a Wkik that will be able to be used as a college level reference. You deleted the begining of my work. Do I need your permission or something to post on this site, as this is my first time posting here. I am not some kind of bot or advertising software and will be posting the most accurate data I can find on the subject including interviews with japanese street artisit. How can I avoid having my works deleted? I don't want to write an entire paper then have it gone the next day due to an administrator error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herezjonny2000 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Your teacher should check school and university projects .. and nothing on Wikipedia will ever be usable as a college-level reference :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 22:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Feedback Dashboard task force
Hi JamesBWatson,
I noticed you replied to some feedback from the new Feedback Dashboard feature – you might be interested in the task force Steven Walling and I just created for this purpose: Wikipedia:Feedback Dashboard. Thanks for diving in on your own and helping the newbies, and I hope you'll sign up! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Havengore
In response to a report at WP:ANI, I've removed talk page access from Havengore, who has been refactoring others' comments on his/her talk page while blocked. Since you've been conversing with Havengore since the original block was levied, I'd like to suggest that you restore the talk page access if you believe it warranted, without bothering to ask me. Nyttend (talk) 03:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Restore Capponi Construction Group
I am newer to writing Wikipedia articles and this article discusses a well know construction company in the Miami area. We are also writing about Michael Capponni who is well know and we added this article because the Michael Capponi article stated it was an orphan, so we were looking at adding multiple relevant articles that would be useful. I apologize if it seems like and advertisment and will do so more subjectively, we did not mean to write this like advertisements and actually have more content to add but we were working on the article in detail. We probably published it too quickly so for that we apologize. If you could at least put the article back into draft mode so we can edit this that would be great thanks. Cometcomputing (talk) 05:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Benallanacs
There was an block on the IP from the indeffed (company name) account. I've altered it now. Peridon (talk) 13:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Last admin there, so to you.
Hello, I am pointing this out to you so it doesn't get left for too long and because you were the last admin at the "Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism" page.
The note is on the talkpage.
Thanks. 24.79.40.48 (talk) 13:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I see no sign of anyone acting like bullies. I see only a couple of editors patiently making attempts to another editor who seems to persistently miss the point of what they are saying. Copied from User talk:24.79.40.48 by anon editor at 24.79.40.48.
More specifically, their initial tactic of deleting the topic heading, deleting the chart, and then deleting the entire topic and comments... what sort of incivility does that fall under I am wondering? And to be clearer, I'm talking about before it even became a discussion they started deleting. 24.79.40.48 (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
- What exactly is the problem? Are you saying that it is unacceptable for one editor to see something wrong in an article and remove it, and another then to see something else wrong and remove it? If so, why? If not, then what do you mean? Why is this a "tactic"? JamesBWatson (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Don't know what to do next
James, I don't know what to do with this editor 135.196.5.146 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). See my most recent message on his talk page. Now I have reverted another bad source. Do these anons actually see that they have talk page messages? - DVdm (talk) 15:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
- There have been no edits since you posted that message, so I don't think there is any need to do anything now. However, if the problem comes back please feel welcome to contact me again, and I'll reconsider. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
COI account
Hi. I noticed your postings on User:Shrikantbhalerao101's talk page. Considering the persistent repostings of deleted article and removal of prods and the various warnings given to him, I'd say that a block would be appropriate. --Soman (talk) 08:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- I think when I posted my warning it was borderline for blocking, and although I preferred to give one more warning, I would not have criticised any administrator who blocked at that point. However, the situation now is that the person has been given a final warning, and has not edited since then, which was two days ago. I don't think any useful purpose would be served by a block now. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Deletion of a page from article:Scientific plagiarism in India
This article "Scientific plagiarism in India" comprises of false information about Dr.Gopal Kundu. He is a very well known scientist of Pune,India. Please remove the information about this person. Because it hampers his reputation. You can check "www.nccs.res.in/gck.html" which is a reliable official government body website. The article "Scientific plagiarism in India" refers to unreliable unauthorized sources.I again kindly request you to take off the information about Dr.Gopal Kundu from this article. i.e. delete the page:Gopal Kundu controversy.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrikantbhalerao101 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Why is, for example, the Kolkata Telegraph an unreliable source? The web page you link to does not, as far as I can see, mention this issue, so I fail to see its relevance. The article seems to me to give a very balanced coverage, mentioning the accusation, and also mentioning the fact that some people have concluded that the accusation is unjustified. You say that the article contains "false information": which part of the information is false? Is it false that the accusation was made? Is it false that an internal committee of the NCCS advised the authors to take back their paper? Is it false that a committee led by G. Padmanabhan concluded that there was no manipulation in the data? Or what? If you can indicate specifically what statements in the article are false, and provide reasons for believing that they are false, then those statements can be removed. I am perfectly willing to believe that some details of the account lack reliable sources and should be removed, but the essential points made, including that the accusation was made and that there has been disagreement as to whether they are justified, seem to me to be supported by reliable sources. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Well, there's obviously no language barrier (referring to this conversation). This user removed an AfD template. I figured I would report it here instead of AIV. OlYeller21Talktome 12:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
India Education programme
Have you seen the Signpost article? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- No, I hadn't. Thanks very much. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
James, could you by chance answer my RPP request on this page - the IP has hopped again. Calabe1992 15:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Talkback
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Calabe1992 15:59, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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- Not that I can see. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- It was down at the bottom: "Thank you for your understanding. I hope the unblock is not an issue of chances, but an issue of rules, which I shall sincerely obey including the posts on editor's talk pages. Best regards..." Calabe1992 16:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I have seen it now, thanks. inspectortr posted the "talkback" before actually writing the message on their talk page, and when I first looked it wasn't there yet. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- It was down at the bottom: "Thank you for your understanding. I hope the unblock is not an issue of chances, but an issue of rules, which I shall sincerely obey including the posts on editor's talk pages. Best regards..." Calabe1992 16:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
EPM Live deletion on comparison of project management software and time tracking software
Hi James, I noticed that you deleted my articles in both tools stating there were not enough notable sources but I ensured that I included as many notable sources as several other softwares in the tool as well as the same kind of notable sources. Can you provide guidance as to what I need to do to do it right. I use these tools frequently as well as send many other users to these pages so I'd like to add a few more software tools in the list that deserve to be there. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcrayner (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Although I normally answer messages on the page where they appear, this time I have replied at User talk:Hcrayner. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Canvassing Message
Hello, JamesBWatson! Just to let you know I have listed your name here as you have fought the edits of this long-term vandal admirably. This editor has been very recently active and shifting IPs even more unpredictably. Please feel free to add any appropriate evidence to the report and please add it to your watchlist as well, as this draft will certainly be the basis for a LTA entry in the future. Thank you! Doc talk 04:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Deletion of a page from article:Scientific plagiarism in India
Hello,
The page "Gopal Kundu Controvesy" of article "Scientific plagiarism in India" contains invalid information about him and the controversy, He is a former scientist who has registered patents and works at National Centre for Cell Science (NCCS), Pune, India. The page also refers to unofficial invalid sources. I request you to check official website of NCCS,Pune,India which is a Indian government body. the URL is www.nccs.res.in/gck.html. Please consider this request because it affects his reputation.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrikantbhalerao101 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
- I really don't know what I can add to what I have already said about this. Exactly what information is "invalid"? If you can specify then it will be possible to look at the evidence, and consider whether to remove the "invalid" information. However, it is clear that the essential outline of the controversy is supported by reliable sources. You say that the article refers to "unofficial invalid sources". I am not sure what you mean by "unofficial". If you mean that we should only accept government sources, or that we should only accept sources that are approved by the subject of the article, then you seriously misunderstand the nature of Wikipedia. Our criterion for acceptance of a source is reliability, not "officialness". If we were to restrict ourselves to officially approved sources then we would impose a considerable bias. I have previously asked you why you do not regard the Kolkata Telegraph as a reliable source, but you have not answered. You repeatedly refer to www.nccs.res.in/gck.html but, as I have pointed out before, that appears to be completely irrelevant, since, as far as I can see, it makes no mention at all of the controversy. If it mentioned the controversy but said things about it that were inconsistent with the account given in the article, then there would certainly be a case for adding mention of that site's version to what is already there. However, since it does not make any mention of the controversy, I frankly fail to see the relevance. A further point is that the page you refer to is on the web site of an organisation that Gopal Kundu works for, so that it is unlikely to be an impartial or unbiased source. You say "Please consider this request because it affects his reputation", and that seems to be the crux of the matter. Your editing has been solely concerned with promoting his (your?) reputation. Wikipedia does not exist in order to host encomiums. The page at www.nccs.res.in/gck.html to which you refer is clearly written by or on behalf of Gopal Kundu, in order to show him in the light in which he and his employers wish to show him. You do not seem to have fully grasped the point that Wikipedia has a very different function, namely to present an independent, third party account, including both positive and negative aspects. If you thought, when you first wrote an article on Gopal Kundu, that Wikipedia was a free web host which would host a promotional article on behalf of him (you?), and that you could control the content of the article so that it would show only those aspects that you wished to publicise, then unfortunately you misunderstood the nature of Wikipedia.
- I have spent some time trying to clarify this, since you do not seem to have grasped the point of my earlier attempts. I hope I have succeeded. In a nutshell, the points are: simply saying that there is "invalid" content, without explaining what content is "invalid" and why, is not helpful; simply saying that sources are "unofficial" does not invalidate them; Wikipedia does not exist to promulgate an "official" or "approved" version of a subject, but covers all sides, positive negative and neutral. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)