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DYK for The Dead South
On 26 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Dead South, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Canadian bluegrass band The Dead South often refer to themselves as "Mumford and Sons' Evil Twins"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Dead South. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Dead South), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Err, that wasn't the hook (or even the alternate) that I used in the nomination. How did that happen, Gatoclass? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- I dunno. But apparently I still have your talkpage watchlisted... and now I'm going to have In Hell I'll Be in Good Company stuck in my head for the rest of the night. GMGtalk 22:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's a catchy tune. Their other stuff is pretty dang good, too. Their banjoist is worthy of worship. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- I dunno. But apparently I still have your talkpage watchlisted... and now I'm going to have In Hell I'll Be in Good Company stuck in my head for the rest of the night. GMGtalk 22:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Err, that wasn't the hook (or even the alternate) that I used in the nomination. How did that happen, Gatoclass? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't know where that hook came from Jack. Yoninah promoted it to prep,[1] so perhaps she can assist. Gatoclass (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Oh wait, I see that somebody proposed that as an alt hook at the nominations page, and Yoninah chose that one to promote. Gatoclass (talk) 22:28, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's not how its supposed to work. I pointed out why it wasn't a better hook, and it was after all, my nomination. Some back and forth with me seemed to be in order. I personally dislike the one used because it pegs the article's subject - a band - to be subject to comparison to another band. To say it was a bad choice is an understatement. All someone had to do was talk to me. That didn't happen. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music
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A barnstar for you!
The Resilient Barnstar | ||
You worked hard to make all the suggested changes to The Dead South for the DYK. I really appreciate your patience through the process. Feel free to reach out if you ever want my help with anything. = paul2520 (talk) 14:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- (temporarily de-orphaned it, subjec to discussion either on remover's talk page or article discussion page) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
re: The Dead South
The burden is on the editor to prove whether an image passes all non-free content criteria.
The cover art of a band's album is being used to identify the band itself. NFCC #8 requires non-free media to "significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic". General consensus indicates that the covers of works can only be used under NFCC #8 on an article for the work (as primary means of identification), unless the non-free item itself is the subject of critical commentary in the article text. Hence, in this case, the album cover can only be used on an article about that album (to identify the article subject), or alongside commentary of the album cover itself (not the album, but the actual cover); here, it is instead being used to primarily identify the band. Typically, a freely-licensed image of the act itself is used on the infobox for musicians.
Due to this, your fair use rationale is also invalid, because it states that it us "to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the work in question". WP:NFC#UUI mentions discographies but this is a similar case. ViperSnake151 Talk 04:49, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- ViperSnake151, how about you put that into layman's English? Is it your argument that using a picture of one of their albums is insufficient, when a free image is not only unavailable, but likely heavily preotected as well?
- I'm just trying to understand your reasoning here. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 08:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "heavily protected"? If a free image can be made at all, you cannot use a non-free image of the subject to depict it (i.e. a publicity photo of the band). If a band is active, touring, etc., it is always considered possible to find or create a free image. You also cannot use an album cover, as they can only be used to primarily identify said album, and not the bamd. ViperSnake151 Talk 14:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why don't we try emailing them and see if they will WP:CONSENT to releasing one of their many images for public use? Looks like the correct contact for media inquiries is samantha -at- strutentertainment.com. Presumably they have a vested interest in helping to improve their own article. GMGtalk 15:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Jack, yeah you can't use a non-free image of an album cover to illustrate the article on the band, especially when the band are current and touring; all someone would have to do to get a free image is turn up to a show with a camera. Using the album cover for an article on the album is fine, though. Black Kite (talk) 15:05, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "heavily protected"? If a free image can be made at all, you cannot use a non-free image of the subject to depict it (i.e. a publicity photo of the band). If a band is active, touring, etc., it is always considered possible to find or create a free image. You also cannot use an album cover, as they can only be used to primarily identify said album, and not the bamd. ViperSnake151 Talk 14:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo: I emailed their media contact with that very question; I haven't heard back yet. I'm open to ideas while I am waiting, though... - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Black Kite: Thanks for breaking down the issue for me; I appreciate it. So, the reason I chose the album cover image (and yes, I will probably make an article regarding the album now, as there seems ample review heat about it) is because I couldn't find any free imagery of the band performing. Additionally, ViperSnake151 might have handled the situation better: deleting and nomming the image for deletion seems...impolite. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry man. I poked around for something that might be appropriately licensed and didn't find anything. These folks are correct regarding NFCC and active band/public people though. So... other than buying a concert ticket and hitting the road, we've pretty much just gotta wait for them to respond, or for someone to upload something appropriately licensed on Flickr or Commons. GMGtalk 21:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- I guess as an absolute last resort (hell, I've done basically the same thing in the past), you might be able to drop a note at a particularly active WikiProject for a city they're going to tour in, and see if any editors are willing to go snap a photo. Probably not Whichita, but you might get lucky with something like LA, London, or Chicago. GMGtalk 21:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've just noticed they're playing in the UK in April and have a show at one of my local venues ... so if we haven't got anything by then, I might be able to help... Black Kite (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Dead South 2016 album cover, Illusion and Doubt.jpg
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Bruno Mars
Regarding the lead, it is cited above on the Unorthodox Jukebox section, both songs topped the Hot 100. I don't understand why you removed it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- MarioSoulTruthFan So, what you are saying is that the song achieved the number one spot on the "Hot 100" radio charts? If it isn't at #1, then we cannot call it "chart-topping". And if it is #1, why not just say what I just did, instead of some fanboi/fangrrl slango? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Billboard Hot 100 there is only one, the main parade. The way you wrote it "The album spawned the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 singles "Locked Out of Heaven" and "When I Was Your Man", means they charted there didn't say they reached the top spot. That's Billboard Radio Songs, quite different from the Hot 100. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- MarioSoulTruthFan Precisely my point. To say something "topped" the charts when it did not achieve the number one spot is factually inaccurate. Why not be more concise? It comes across as Marketing Speak or internet slango to make the truth blurry. And the only thing I removed was the term chart-topping. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Billboard Hot 100 there is only one, the main parade. The way you wrote it "The album spawned the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 singles "Locked Out of Heaven" and "When I Was Your Man", means they charted there didn't say they reached the top spot. That's Billboard Radio Songs, quite different from the Hot 100. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Not your point. The Hot 100 and Radio Songs are different charts it claimed it top the Hot 100, so they are chart-topping on the Hot 100. What don't you understand from this? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I wrote it in a different way, it probably fits your style better. Take a look there. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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