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{{reply|JzG}} {{reply|GorillaWarfare}} sorry to ask you yet another thing but what's the proper reporting way to have something like this completely stricken? It's DEFINITELY a violation of the Biographies of Living Persons policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Joe_Biden&diff=prev&oldid=985377627 [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts#top|talk]]) 16:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
{{reply|JzG}} {{reply|GorillaWarfare}} sorry to ask you yet another thing but what's the proper reporting way to have something like this completely stricken? It's DEFINITELY a violation of the Biographies of Living Persons policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Joe_Biden&diff=prev&oldid=985377627 [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts#top|talk]]) 16:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== A tip about confrontational language == |
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Hi, dear fellow Wikipedian. In our last interaction, I have noticed you are fairly... novice to this website. I am not a veteran myself, but please allow me to share a link that will help you avoid confrontational language: [[WP:ESDOS]] and [[WP:ESDONTS]] should suffice as an introduction to the main guidelines. All the best and keep up with your efforts! [[User:MarcelloPapirio|MarcelloPapirio]] ([[User talk:MarcelloPapirio|talk]]) 18:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
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- @Bradv: ok fine, yes yes. I was bullied into making an account and I finally gave up so here it is. I'm not really feeling social right now and probably going to go to sleep in a short while. IHateAccounts (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Adding
{{unblock-un|your new username here}}
below. You should be able to do this even though you are blocked. If not, you may wish to contact the blocking administrator by clicking on "Email this user" from their talk page. - At an administrator's discretion, you may be unblocked for 24 hours to file a change of name request.
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below this notice,. Template:Z12 -- The Anome (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Anome, this person has edited anonymously for long enough that I think it's fair to say that he probably does hate accounts, and since accounts are not a protected class I don't see why that would be an issue. Guy (help! - typo?) 11:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Anome, I have to agree with Guy. This isn't a problematic account name, IMO. —valereee (talk) 13:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@GorillaWarfare: I finally do what you say and I get bullied more for it. Big surprise. And @JzG: "they" will suffice, I'll try to put a pronoun notice on my page if I ever get treated like a human being here. IHateAccounts (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Man, you are off to a bumpy start with this whole account thing. While I don't necessarily agree with the block, I do see where The Anome was coming from, and again I don't think it was intentional bullying (though I do see that you feel bullied as a result). Your name, while I don't believe you meant it this way, could feasibly be interpreted to mean that you hate people who edit from named accounts.
The good news is that it's a softblock and you can just create an account with a different name yourself – that's probably easier than going through the rename process, since you don't have many edits with this account anyway, but if you do decide you want to do the rename we can help you with that.Hopefullyonce the rename is done and dustedwe can all get back to article editing and this will become a distant memory. GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)- Well nevermind, that's sorted then. Maybe you and I (and anyone else on this page, if they so wish) can pick an article to collaborate on, so we get off on a better foot. If that interests you, any suggestions? GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- IHateAccounts, my bad, I usually do use the singular they. Guy (help! - typo?) 16:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- IHateAccounts—can you please explain why you hate accounts, assuming you hate accounts? I, for one, would be interested to know. They require me to have a driver's license. It may be an onerous procedure to get one, but I understand the public good in all drivers being required to get a license. In the interests of full disclosure, I think IP editing should be allowed but I think it should be discouraged. But maybe I have not weighed all considerations. So, I ask you for your input. Bus stop (talk) 16:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not going to speak for IHateAccounts, but I remember reading the (semi-humorous) essay Wikipedia:Why not create an account? in the past and finding it informative. I don't personally share the perspective, but I respect it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- And I'll repeat what I posted at BS's talk: There are any number of reasons someone would choose not to create an account. In this person's case, they seem to believe (and I completely agree with them) that it shouldn't be necessary to have an account in order to edit contructively without attracting hostile attention. It shouldn't be necessary to have a bluelinked user name, ditto. It shouldn't be necessary to have tens of thousands of edits, or an admin flag, or a talk archive. But all of these things -- IMO, unfairly -- provide some level of 'seal of approval' in the minds of other editors. —valereee (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Do GorillaWarfare and Valereee agree with me that IP editing should be allowed but discouraged? Bus stop (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I do not. I think IP editing should be allowed and should not be discouraged. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- GorillaWarfare—why do you opt to register your account? Do you not feel that registering an account represents advantages for you, and wouldn't those advantages be applicable to someone else? Bus stop (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't disagree that there are advantages to registering accounts, but if someone is aware of them and still doesn't want to register account I see no reason to discourage them from that decision. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- GorillaWarfare—why do you opt to register your account? Do you not feel that registering an account represents advantages for you, and wouldn't those advantages be applicable to someone else? Bus stop (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think registering an account should be encouraged, but I don't think IP editing should be discouraged. Yes, there are any number of advantages to registering an account and editing from it, not the least of which is that editing as an IP attracts scrutiny from editors who find IPs inherently suspicious. :) The vast majority of edits by IP editors are well-intentioned -- someone is reading an article, sees a typo, and fixes it. That doesn't mean the vast majority of vandalism isn't by IP editors, but by and large editing by IPs is a major net positive. —valereee (talk) 20:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I do not. I think IP editing should be allowed and should not be discouraged. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Do GorillaWarfare and Valereee agree with me that IP editing should be allowed but discouraged? Bus stop (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- And I'll repeat what I posted at BS's talk: There are any number of reasons someone would choose not to create an account. In this person's case, they seem to believe (and I completely agree with them) that it shouldn't be necessary to have an account in order to edit contructively without attracting hostile attention. It shouldn't be necessary to have a bluelinked user name, ditto. It shouldn't be necessary to have tens of thousands of edits, or an admin flag, or a talk archive. But all of these things -- IMO, unfairly -- provide some level of 'seal of approval' in the minds of other editors. —valereee (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not going to speak for IHateAccounts, but I remember reading the (semi-humorous) essay Wikipedia:Why not create an account? in the past and finding it informative. I don't personally share the perspective, but I respect it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
apology
I'm sorry, I responded to you at GW's talk before I saw you'd been blocked. Copying this from her talk:
I apologize; it was completely unintentional, and I'm sorry I came across as bullying. I didn't intend it as putting blame on you at all. I meant it as a completely non-judgemental statement: Having an account makes an editor's life easier. I think that sucks, for the record. It's not fair, and it shouldn't be true, but IMO it's just reality. There's bigotry in the world, and we here on Wikipedia aren't immune. —valereee (talk) 9:17 am, Today (UTC−4)
Unblocked, and an apology
@IHateAccounts, JzG, and Valereee: On review, I agree with the other editors here that your username is not a problem. I've unblocked you, and would like to offer you my apologies for the unecessary and over-zealous block. Best regards, The Anome (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- @The Anome: Thank you for considering and for your sincere apology. As for the rest of above, I am tired of having to have accounts for everything. Every website it seems. I can't even check the local weather without being harassed to make an account, and then I have to have software on my laptop, tied to my phone, just to try to remember what websites I already have an account on and what websites I don't. 90% of the stuff we do in the world shouldn't require an account, just like the grocery store shouldn't need to ask my phone number just so I can buy a gallon of milk and a couple boxes of cereal with cash. It irritates me. And the stuff Bus Stop wrote, pretty clearly they're totally ok with people being harassed and bullied into making accounts everywhere. I disagree fully with the idea that bullying people into creating an account is acceptable behavior, even though I finally gave in to it because apparently, eventually the whole site will be locked into "you shall make an account or you shall go away" status. Editing on wikipedia or checking the weather forecast aren't the same things as driving a car. IHateAccounts (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently now I have to wait to be "autoconfirmed". Joyeaux. :( IHateAccounts (talk) 22:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- IHateAccounts, given your long time IP contributions, I will fix that now., Guy (help! - typo?) 22:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you JzG. IHateAccounts (talk) 22:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- IHateAccounts, given your long time IP contributions, I will fix that now., Guy (help! - typo?) 22:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently now I have to wait to be "autoconfirmed". Joyeaux. :( IHateAccounts (talk) 22:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Anome, thanks. I understand the instinct, this was a good faith error IMO. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not
"ok with people being harassed and bullied into making accounts everywhere"
. The thing is user-names have greater recognizability than IP addresses. Editing here, one bumps into the same people frequently. A familiar name is someone known to you. Whereas a string of numbers is forgotten very quickly. User-pages also serve to identify individuals. Your user-page presently says"Pronouns: They/Them/Theirs"
. That is something that would jog my memory, assuming my brain is still functioning. Welcome to Wikipedia under your new name. Bus stop (talk) 22:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)- IHA, I do get that -- it infuriates me, too, to have to register an account to frickin' buy a t-shirt. This is, as Bus stop points out, slightly different. Now that we know you as IHA, when we see your username on an edit, we think, "Oh, that's the trusted user I've encountered before...I probably don't need to check their edit except out of idle curiosity, it's sure to be constructive." BS, I even have a hard time distinguishing between license-plate usernames like P372K and P798Q. I'm like...is that the trusted editor I've encountered on multiple occasions, or is it someone new I need to check the edits of? The chances I'll recognize an IP...almost zero. Clearly though people like GW and Guy easily recognize this editor as a long-term trusted user. They must have some gene I'm missing. —valereee (talk) 19:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee—there is a sense of continuity that is important. I understand the argument that discriminating against IPs is unfair. But IPs lack distinguishing characteristics, making continuity difficult. And yes, I agree the name should be tailored to recognizability—license plate-like usernames are problematic. I think it is difficult enough to remember something about usernames that we know we recognize. A problem is that ideally we are concerned with the edit, not the editor. With that in mind it could be argued that unrecognizable usernames should be preferred. But it is more enjoyable to interact with humans, even anonymous humans on the internet, because humans embody ideas and humans tend to have similar ideas from one moment to the next. Bus stop (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- IHA, I do get that -- it infuriates me, too, to have to register an account to frickin' buy a t-shirt. This is, as Bus stop points out, slightly different. Now that we know you as IHA, when we see your username on an edit, we think, "Oh, that's the trusted user I've encountered before...I probably don't need to check their edit except out of idle curiosity, it's sure to be constructive." BS, I even have a hard time distinguishing between license-plate usernames like P372K and P798Q. I'm like...is that the trusted editor I've encountered on multiple occasions, or is it someone new I need to check the edits of? The chances I'll recognize an IP...almost zero. Clearly though people like GW and Guy easily recognize this editor as a long-term trusted user. They must have some gene I'm missing. —valereee (talk) 19:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not
Ngo talk page
IHateAccounts, the top 10 of contributors to Talk:Andy Ngo is
- 308 edits User:Springee
- 191 edits User:Wikieditor19920
- 168 edits User:BeŻet
- 136 edits User:Shinealittlelight
- 129 edits User:Simonm223
- 84 edits User:Jweiss11
- 74 edits User:Aquillion
- 66 edits User:Objective3000
- 52 edits User:Galestar
- 52 edits User:Bacondrum
That's all the contributions to that page, not just the current version. Vexations (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
You seem to have a strong interest in disputes that don't involve you, and where, frankly, you don't really have any expertise to offer. However, you have made a lot of bad-faith accusations against me personally, and I don't appreciate it. Your behavior is disruptive and unproductive. If an editor has violated 1RR, there is really no reason for you to comment if you only want to turn it into a personal dispute. Your conduct on the whole violates WP:BATTLEGROUND.
If you keep this up I will report it to ANI. You cannot keep doing what you're doing. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@GorillaWarfare: can you look at this? This seems to be very uncivil and threatening behavior in retaliation because I commented on a thread here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility_and_battleground_behavior_from_Wikieditor19920 IHateAccounts (talk) 16:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- IHateAccounts, a bit rich, from that particular editor, to be sure. Guy (help! - typo?) 16:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thus far you've commented on a now-closed thread at WP:ANI where you've made a bunch of bad-faith accusations towards me, and now at WP:AN3 where you are continuing the same pattern and bickering about matters unrelated to that noticeboard. This is classic WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior. I am asking you to stop. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- @JzG: they came back. I have just noted this in the complaint they left against Bacondrum here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring) because I think it's relevant, their complaint seems to be entirely just forum-shopping or retaliation behavior. IHateAccounts (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- For a brand new account, you seem very involved at multiple conduct-related threads. I don't know why that is, but I suggest starting by trying to improve the encyclopedia rather than weighing in as uninvolved user to get a word in every dispute. Those are my two cents. Happy editing. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- @JzG: and they've continued. I'm starting to feel like this is a "playing the refs" gambit, they're trying to get a rise out of me so that they can claim my good-faith observations are because they managed to cause a conflict? Maybe that's what they are doing with Bacondrum too? IHateAccounts (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Bishonen: Since you were the admin who warned Wikieditor19920, I guess I should reply to you here too so you are aware of this. IHateAccounts (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- For a brand new account, you seem very involved at multiple conduct-related threads. I don't know why that is, but I suggest starting by trying to improve the encyclopedia rather than weighing in as uninvolved user to get a word in every dispute. Those are my two cents. Happy editing. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- @JzG: they came back. I have just noted this in the complaint they left against Bacondrum here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring) because I think it's relevant, their complaint seems to be entirely just forum-shopping or retaliation behavior. IHateAccounts (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thus far you've commented on a now-closed thread at WP:ANI where you've made a bunch of bad-faith accusations towards me, and now at WP:AN3 where you are continuing the same pattern and bickering about matters unrelated to that noticeboard. This is classic WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior. I am asking you to stop. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
How to handle this?
@JzG: @GorillaWarfare: sorry to ask you yet another thing but what's the proper reporting way to have something like this completely stricken? It's DEFINITELY a violation of the Biographies of Living Persons policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Joe_Biden&diff=prev&oldid=985377627 IHateAccounts (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
A tip about confrontational language
Hi, dear fellow Wikipedian. In our last interaction, I have noticed you are fairly... novice to this website. I am not a veteran myself, but please allow me to share a link that will help you avoid confrontational language: WP:ESDOS and WP:ESDONTS should suffice as an introduction to the main guidelines. All the best and keep up with your efforts! MarcelloPapirio (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC)