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Heimstern, just wanted to make you aware about the current ongoing MMA disputes particularly in regards to your involvement at [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:JonnyBonesJones_reported_by_User:Mtking_.28Result:24_hours.29|ANI 3RR Jonny by Mtking]]. You may have walked into a hornets nest as I discovered on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 157]] which was only the tip of what is going on at [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Off-wiki_canvassing_.28MMA.29|ANI Canvassing]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Agent00f]] and [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive184#User:Agent00f_reported_by_Mtking_.28Result:_blocked.29|ANI 3RR Agent by Mtking]]. This has been the result of several edit wars across multiple articles and both parties seem to be at fault from bad faith to edit warring. [[User:Mkdw|<span style="font-size: 13px arial; color: #3366FF;">Mkdw</span>]][[User talk:Mkdw|<sup>''talk''</sup>]] 12:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
Heimstern, just wanted to make you aware about the current ongoing MMA disputes particularly in regards to your involvement at [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:JonnyBonesJones_reported_by_User:Mtking_.28Result:24_hours.29|ANI 3RR Jonny by Mtking]]. You may have walked into a hornets nest as I discovered on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 157]] which was only the tip of what is going on at [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Off-wiki_canvassing_.28MMA.29|ANI Canvassing]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Agent00f]] and [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive184#User:Agent00f_reported_by_Mtking_.28Result:_blocked.29|ANI 3RR Agent by Mtking]]. This has been the result of several edit wars across multiple articles and both parties seem to be at fault from bad faith to edit warring. [[User:Mkdw|<span style="font-size: 13px arial; color: #3366FF;">Mkdw</span>]][[User talk:Mkdw|<sup>''talk''</sup>]] 12:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Yes, there's clearly a lot going on; nonetheless, this particular case of edit warring is pretty clear-cut, so I don't think there's a lot of need to second-guess the result. How the long-term issue will need to be solved is less clear, to be sure. [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 12:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
:Yes, there's clearly a lot going on; nonetheless, this particular case of edit warring is pretty clear-cut, so I don't think there's a lot of need to second-guess the result. How the long-term issue will need to be solved is less clear, to be sure. [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 12:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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==Request for clarification on [[WP:ARBSL]]== |
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I have filed a request at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment]] for clarification on the scope of the topic ban placed upon [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] in the [[WP:ARBSL|Speed of light]] case. As you have recently participated in an [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] request regarding this case and precipitating the clarification request, your comments would be welcome. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 06:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC) |
Revision as of 06:06, 15 December 2012
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Back atcha
Hey... I never thanked you for the nice note you sent me. Although I'm responding late, I did genuinely appreciate your message. Hope all is well with you, and best regards, Kafka Liz (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- No problem! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
No one is edit-warring WP:Title any more.
The problem was resolved (assuming you were following what was going on) by me creating a demonstration page in my user area: User:Born2cycle/Titles. This was all explained on the talk page.
It's funny to see the protection put on the page after the issue was resolved. --Born2cycle (talk) 02:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- Funny, this sure looks like edit warring to me. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- I did not deny that an edit war had occurred. I said that the page was protected only after the edit war was over.
Please understand that no rendered content was changed through all of that "edit war" - it was about whether the same certain content should remain in the page itself, or be placed in a transcluded subpage so that it could be transcluded elsewhere too. One side was that the change should not be made until consensus developed for it. The other side argued the edit was necessary to demonstrate how the proposed changed affected things so that consensus could be based on informed opinions (there were many questions and a lot of confusion about transclusion is, how it works, what are the effects, etc.). This went back and forth via edits (back and forth between transcluding and not transcluding the subpage) as well as discussion on the talk page until someone suggested doing the same thing with a demonstration page, at which point the edit war abruptly ended.
Anyway, please note the chronology of relevant events:
- 18:16, July 15 2011. Last edit of WP:Article titles, prior to it being protected[1].
- 18:35 Suggestion is made to create a demo page [2]
- 18:40 Demo page created so it can be used for testing instead of this page [3], ending any reason to add the transclusion to the page itself, at least until consensus is worked out, and thus ending the edit war.
- 18:52 Page is protected after edit war is clearly over (that's the part that I found to be funny).
- Anyway, a new suggestion has now been made and tested [4] - to add <onlyinclude>/</onlyinclude> tags around the shared section in the main page (which doesn't affect anything about how that page works) and transclude the entire page from other pages that want to use it - but it can't be implemented because the page is protected... Thanks. --Born2cycle (talk) 16:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- I did not deny that an edit war had occurred. I said that the page was protected only after the edit war was over.
Thank you kindly
Thank you for your support | |
Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I shall endeavor to meet your and the community's expectations as an admin. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC) |
OK...
No Problem!! Alexander the Great (talk) 04:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
ArbCom
At User:Heimstern/ArbCom, you mention "the committee's refusal to adjudicate content disputes combined with the lack of any other available form of binding content dispute resolution. The model in use seems to be that if we keep editors in line with our conduct policies, the content will fall into place...."
I wonder if you might have overlooked an John Vandenberg's comment here:
- "the proposed discretionary sanctions will mean this topic will be subject to the organised complaint management system of Arbitration enforcement, where uninvolved admins review problems carefully. It is our hope that with these remedies, and better administrative oversight, the level of discourse on the talk page will improve." John Vandenberg 11:52, 25 September 2011
In this context, perhaps you may have some insight which will help to improve our articles about Law of the instrument and Déformation professionnelle. In the realm of problems ArbCom creates, please consider the confirmation bias implicit in Maslow's hammer, which is popularly phrased as "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". --Tenmei (talk) 17:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
My sig
I'm taking the link to your essay out of my sig. It seems to attract trolls. :-( I wanted you to know that I'm just tired of dealing with that, and that's the reason I've removed it, and not because I don't still think its a good essay. KillerChihuahua?!? 17:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- No worries. To be fair, it was getting a little annoying to get notices from people meaning to talk to you, so probably it's best removed. Glad you still like the essay, at any rate. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed that too. You'd think the large "Essay" label at the top might be a clue, but apparently not everyone noticed that, or understood it. KillerChihuahua?!? 04:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Moving Burma to Myanmar - ongoing poll
This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move Burma to Myanmar. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi Heimstern. You participated in Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Standard of review for non admin closes, which was snowball closed. A subsection of the discussion has been created. Titled Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Non-AfD NACs, it pertains to {{Request close}} and Category:Requests for Close, which were created after a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 78#Template to request a discussion be closed. I have posed several questions there and am interested in your thoughts. Cunard (talk) 06:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
唔該晒。?
I'm sure you're right. But què? 美少年 | ノート 00:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC).
- It means "thanks very much". Not really germane in any way to the discussion in question, but since you were using all those fancy diacritics, I thought I'd get out my own set of fancy characters. These are particularly uncommon as they're Cantonese-only ones, too. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I think I must have meant the last one, right? The one on the left. Bischånen | talk 00:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC).
- Quite sure it does not, as I just walked by IKEA a few days ago. :-) But methods like that are exactly how I first remembered Chinese characters, too. 京, for example, I always viewed as a TV on a tripod wearing a hat. Fun stuff!
- Sorry, I think I must have meant the last one, right? The one on the left. Bischånen | talk 00:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC).
No result?
What was the result of this? [5]. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- The discussion he said isn't taking place is taking place. So far 4 editors have said the poll doesn't belong. And he is still trying to force it in, still having not participated in the discussion. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- I've left a warning for Gamaliel, and a parallel (likely less necessary) one for Niteshift. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Ears burning?
You have been mentioned here. Bishonen | talk 18:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC).
- I certainly never object to publicity for my writing. :-) Heimstern Läufer (talk) 13:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
MSU Interview
Dear Heimstern,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
- Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
- Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
- All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
- All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
- The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck (talk • contribs) 22:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Dispute resolution survey
Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello Heimstern. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 23:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC) |
Dispute resolution
Hi there, Wondering if you could have a look at the latest section I created on the talk page for Rush Limbaugh. Having a strange debate with someone over the inclusion of fact checking sites. There is a section on Limbaugh's page related to Claims of Inaccuracy. This seems like an appropriate place to include statistics from fact checking organizations. Somehow that point is not landing. Need 3rd party intervention. Thanks.Jasonnewyork (talk) 21:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry, I just got back from an enforced Wikibreak. Hope the dispute was able to be resolved. I don't really mediate or in any other way get involved in US politics articles; the subject kind of makes me vomit a lot. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 16:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Just saying hey
Hey there! You were the one that welcomed me to Wikipedia five and a half years ago. Just wanted to say thanks for that! Atomic Religione 01:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry I missed this. You're welcome, five and a half years later! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 21:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
My ban appeal
Honestly, I don't really want to go to ArbCom with something like this. I was anxious enough about filing the AE appeal, and feel taking it to ArbCom would only cause me more distress regardless of the outcome. Do you know of any way I could resolve this without taking it to some higher level?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
- Honestly, no. I can understand if you don't like it, but as far as I can see, your only choices are either to appeal the ban to ArbCom itself or to simply accept the ban. I know this isn't the answer you want to see from me, but in this situation, I have nothing better I can offer you, sorry. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 21:33, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think I could ever "accept" this situation, but I can definitely tolerate the ban for a couple more months. Thanks anyway.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 22:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Moving Burma to Myanmar - ongoing poll
This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move Burma to Myanmar. I know this happened just recently but no administrator would close these frequent rm's down, so here we go again. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar | |
Thank you for reverting vandalism on my userpage (which I didn't even notice until just now)! A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 11:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC) |
- Thanks! I actually at first wondered who you were so mad at that you wrote obscene language on your userpage, but then checking the history showed it wasn't you who added it at all. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Heh, it was actually a sock I'd reported for vandalising a BLP page. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 08:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Poke, poke
I have mentioned you name here. I apologize for taking it on me to interpret your motives for certain actions, and invite your correction. Bishonen | talk 00:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC).
- Sigh. Seems I've picked a bad time to come back to Wikipedia. Too many nasty people all around. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:22, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.
In this issue:
- Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
- Research: The most recent DR data
- Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
- Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
- DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
- Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
- Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
--The Olive Branch 19:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Suggested talk page tagging
Obviously Ramil Safarov and its "brother" article Gurgen Margaryan are hot-button WP:ARBAA2 topics. Is there some template that can be added to their talk pages summarizing/linking to the arbitration remedies? (I suggested doing this on WP:AN, but was ignored.) Tijfo098 (talk) 23:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- It appears they're just using the generic
{{sanctions}}
tag on other Armenia/Azerbaijan-related articles. How about adding that? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)- That template doesn't link to the current ArbCom boilerplate. It seems someone created {{ArbCom discret sanctions}} more recently, but it doesn't seem used much. There's also {{discretionary sanctions}} and {{DS Courtesy Notice}}. I'm tempted to TfD some of these for merger, but I should probably just ask ArbCom somewhere to standardize it to their preference. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
- Probably a good idea. I admit templates are not my strong suit; I just can never keep track of them all, so I usually just follow the patterns I see on similar talk pages. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 10:26, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
- That template doesn't link to the current ArbCom boilerplate. It seems someone created {{ArbCom discret sanctions}} more recently, but it doesn't seem used much. There's also {{discretionary sanctions}} and {{DS Courtesy Notice}}. I'm tempted to TfD some of these for merger, but I should probably just ask ArbCom somewhere to standardize it to their preference. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Grüss Gott
Hello there. As I already happened to say I would not contribute again to the discussion about the accusation against me on 3rr, I am writing directly to you. This is the last edit by the user that complained about me. Seems like s/he would be trying to make a country (his?/hers?) bigger by imposing his national POV on the articles considering mine (Turkey). I am not requesting anything from you as an admin, simply wanted to share a facet of the user with whom I am dealing at present. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 14:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- OK. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
AE (talknic)
Message - [6] I would appreciate a response. Thx ...talknic (talk) 15:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Another message[7]. I would like a reply just to confirm you have actually read my statements. Thx ... talknic (talk)
- I assure you that I have. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Re: Big Bird
I noticed you gave a 3RR warning to User:Eugenistoc. Not to unnecessarily drag you into the argument, but I'd happily invite an outside party to comment. I don't think my objection is unreasonable? -- MacAddct1984 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the invite. At this point, I think I'd prefer not to enter the discussion; I usually don't when it comes to US politics. I'd also prefer to remain an uninvolved admin, able to take administrative action if needed. Best of luck with that discussion! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Looks to me like at least one other set of eyes has arrived already, so that's good! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Completely understand! Thanks! -- MacAddct1984 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Minimum support percentage for appointment to arbcom
You made this remark. But supposing just hypothetically that a candidate were to receive an unheard of landslide of Oppose votes, don't you think such a candidate ought to be appointed to the committee? On the argument that somebody who has managed to alienate so many people must be very brave, and sharp, and daring? Isn't it just such users we need on arbcom? To shake up the milksop bla bla bla arbcom culture and get stuff done, already? Especially if it's a user who has already showed they don't hesitate to bite those who deserve it, and who has furthermore created untold brilliant templates that others can also use, to facilitate teaching people valuable lessons all over Wikipedia? I know I think so! darwinbish BITE 12:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC).
"One where content is valued above content..."
Agreed with what I think you meant to say, though you might want to fix it. (I might suggest "One where content is valued above contentment" as having a nice ring to it, but it's your baby.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry. Made a mistake. Anyway, I need out now. I'm half expecting nasty remarks for my just telling off Jclemens, so I'm just going to log out for a while. Thanks. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Please delete my account
Sorry could you please delete my account and anything related to it? I will no longer use wikipedia or contribute to it. DjSeptimus (talk) 13:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, I can't delete accounts. It's not possible for me to do so. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Information
I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't really see much point in participating, since so many users feel that questionnaire is biased that I just don't see any useful result coming from it. The respondents will inevitably be a self-selected group unrepresentative of the community at large. That and my increasing busyness are enough I think I'm going to end up not taking part. Sorry. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
User:Heimstern/ACE2012
Haven't you forgotten RegentsPark? William M. Connolley (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, not so much forgotten, more like "not gotten around to adding". I'm not at all sure I'm going to finish this guide, I'm already feeling pretty electioned out, if you will. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
MMA
Heimstern, just wanted to make you aware about the current ongoing MMA disputes particularly in regards to your involvement at ANI 3RR Jonny by Mtking. You may have walked into a hornets nest as I discovered on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 157 which was only the tip of what is going on at ANI Canvassing and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Agent00f and ANI 3RR Agent by Mtking. This has been the result of several edit wars across multiple articles and both parties seem to be at fault from bad faith to edit warring. Mkdwtalk 12:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, there's clearly a lot going on; nonetheless, this particular case of edit warring is pretty clear-cut, so I don't think there's a lot of need to second-guess the result. How the long-term issue will need to be solved is less clear, to be sure. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Request for clarification on WP:ARBSL
I have filed a request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment for clarification on the scope of the topic ban placed upon Brews ohare in the Speed of light case. As you have recently participated in an arbitration enforcement request regarding this case and precipitating the clarification request, your comments would be welcome. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC)