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:I'm no expert, but I believe that the preferred way is to preserve the article history by moving your sandbox article into mainspace. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 21:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC) |
:I'm no expert, but I believe that the preferred way is to preserve the article history by moving your sandbox article into mainspace. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 21:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::If more than one person has edited the sandbox, it's a legal requirement that the history be preserved. If you're the sole editor, it's entirely up to you whether you move the sandbox (and preserve the history) or cut-and-paste (and start the history with a clean slate). – [[User:Iridescent|<font color="#660066">iridescent</font>]] 21:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC) |
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The Wikipedia philosophy can be summed up thusly: "Experts are scum." For some reason people who spend 40 years learning everything they can about, say, the Peloponnesian War -- and indeed, advancing the body of human knowledge -- get all pissy when their contributions are edited away by Randy in Boise who heard somewhere that sword-wielding skeletons were involved. And they get downright irate when asked politely to engage in discourse with Randy until the sword-skeleton theory can be incorporated into the article without passing judgment.
- —Lore Sjöberg, from "The Wikipedia FAQK"
This, the funniest thing I have seen on wikipedia, was stolen from
Old messages are at:
- User talk:Giano II/archive 1 (From Oct 2004)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 2 (From Jan 2005)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 3 (From July 2005)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 4 (From Jan 2006)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 5 (From July 2006)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 6 (From Jan 2007)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 7 (From July 2007)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 8 (From Jan 2008)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 9 (From July 2008)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 10 (From Jan 2009)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 11 (From July 2009)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 12 (From Jan 2010)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 13 (From July 2010)
Essays and thoughts:
- A few thoughts on writing Featured Articles
- A few thoughts on Wikipedia (unfinished)
- One of the reasons I seldom make proper edits these days. and it seems many others too
Please leave new messages below
hooray?!
I think I'll have whatever you're drinking ;-) - dunno whether to laugh or cry..... good luck, I guess!!! Privatemusings (talk) 10:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yerse, I did have one or two problems filling in the form - is it OK now? Giacomo 10:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- heh... you'd stuffed it up good and proper ;-) - I fixed it (I think) - and I also dropped you down the order to your alphabetically accurate spot (sorry). Congratulations on your recent engagement by the way, and are you going to stop the Italian pretense for the election? ;-) Privatemusings (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yerse, I did have one or two problems filling in the form - is it OK now? Giacomo 10:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to the Arbcom Elections
Dear GiacomoReturned, thank you for nominating yourself as a candidate in the 2010 Arbitration Committee elections. On behalf of the coordinators, allow me to welcome you to the election and make a few suggestions to help you get set up. By now, you ought to have written your nomination statement, which should be no more than 400 words and declare any alternate or former user accounts you have contributed under (or, in the case of privacy concerns, a declaration that you have disclosed them to the Arbitration Committee). Although there are no fixed guidelines for how to write a statement, note that many candidates treat this as an opportunity, in their own way, to put a cogent case as to why editors should vote for them—highlighting the strengths they would bring to the job, and convincing the community they would cope with the workload and responsibilities of being an arbitrator.
You should at this point have your own questions subpage; feel free to begin answering the questions as you please. Together, the nomination statement and questions subpage should be transcluded to your candidate profile, whose talkpage will serve as the central location for discussion of your candidacy. If you experience any difficulty setting up these pages, please follow the links in the footer below. If you need assistance, on this or any other matter (including objectionable questions or commentary by others on your candidate pages), please notify the coordinators at their talkpage. If you have followed these instructions correctly, congratulations, you are now officially a candidate for the Arbitration Committee. Good luck! Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- No, I wish to keem my Argentinian Latino antecedents very secret. Giacomo 10:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Giano, you want to find some way of presenting consolidated edit count figures. Your current username has only 1729 articlespace edits, which isn't very impressive. Also you need to opt-in on the count figures per month etc, which are currently not set up & only you can do. Click "count" on the template below your nom & follow the redlinks - doesn't take a moment. Johnbod (talk) 10:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- No, I have never counted edits, I always write in user space because of my spelling and grammar and confused way of working, I like to things to be organised before they go "public". Giacomo 10:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- PS: The count does work, it leads to a pie graph thing. Giacomo 11:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Would you like me to add quick links like count to the other usernames on your statement? - but only you can do the 2 opt-ins for each. Johnbod (talk) 12:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- I think that might save us all a great deal of time :-) I have just typed in XX and all I can see is XX. This is all very confusing Giacomo 12:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Did you type "space xx"? Only you can edit those pages, but I've added the links for the others to your stmt, which each have the two opt-ins. Johnbod (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- well GiacomoReturned's count seems to be working now (can you see it?) but we have an insumpontable probalem with Giano and Giano II, I don't have a password for them. Giacomo 13:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC) + :::well GiacomoReturned's count seems to be working now (can you set it?) but we have an insumpontable probalem woth Giano and Giano II, I don't have a password for them. Giacomo 13:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- User:GiacomoReturned/EditCounterOptIn.js bloody thing, I have tried it with "xx
- Ah! Oh well. Unless anyone knows a solution. Good luck on the campaign trail! If this doesn't work out you could try the Irish Parliament for January. They seem to be in a similar pickle, & I expect you get paid. Johnbod (talk) 13:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) At a purely technical side of things, an administrator could opt those accounts in (as admins can edit users' .js and .css files) - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Kingpin if you can do that you will be my est friend for ever. can you do all 3 or just GiacomoReturned, which still is not working. Giacomo 13:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you Kingpin you are indeed my best friend for ever. Giacomo 13:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Looking forward to seeing how this comes out -- I may very well shock myself and vote for you. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- That would shock me too Sarek. Giacomo 14:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Best of luck, you will have my support. Mo ainm~Talk 14:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Questions from Lar
Hi. Best of luck in your upcoming trial by fire. As in previous years I have a series of questions I ask candidates. This year there are restrictions on the length and number of questions on the "official" page for questions, restrictions which I do not agree with, but which I will abide by. I nevertheless think my questions are important and relevant (and I am not the only person to think so, in previous years they have drawn favorable comment from many, including in at least one case indepth analysis of candidates answers to them by third parties). You are invited to answer them if you so choose. I suggest that the talk page of your questions page is a good place to put them and I will do so with your acquiescence (for example, SirFozzie's page already has them as do the majority of other candidates). Your answers, (or non-answers should you decide not to answer them), that will be a factor in my evaluation of your candidacy. Please let me know as soon as practical what your wish is. Thanks and best of luck. (please answer here, I'll see it, and it keeps things together better) ++Lar: t/c 18:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- If Sir Fozzie has them, I am sure I will be delighted to have them too. I will answer them willingly as and when I have time, but as I'm sure you will appreciate, those posing a single question will have to take priority. Giacomo 20:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Ireland naming
I just asked a fairly open-ended question at your arbQ page. If you want me to narrow it down a bit, I can, but I think it's better off generic. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 21:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Spillover from candidate statement
Hi Giano, sorry, it's a strict limit of 400 words. I've relocated your "disclosure" here and linked from the statement. Please feel free to reorganise the text in another way if it suits you better. Tony (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC) (on behalf of the election coordinators)
"Disclosure: I have one sock/alternative account Lady Catherine de Burgh (deceased) (count) I don't use her much, but she's very much designed to spread a little satire and hopefully humour around the place. She had a brief predecessor Catherine de Burgh (count) very much a humour account.
More seriously, like most people, I first edited briefly as an IP then briefly as Conte Giacomo (count), but I was never very happy with that name, (don't know why I chose it), then I became Giano (count), then Giano II (count) and then finally me. Regarding the "content" edits as GiacomoReturned, it appears they have gone down under this name, I don't think they have, it's just late in my manifestation as Giano II because of my poor spelling etc I began to write pages in User space and then paste them over into mainspace, the userspace showing the painful births are then deleted, so the mainspace edits appear to have shrunk as a result."
A Thought about sarcasm and grave-dancing
is over here. Bishonen | talk 16:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC).
Ms Kinney and Coren's atacks on me are now deleted and surpressed inspite of consensus. [2]. It's because of things like this, the way the ordinary editors are treated by Arbs, that I am fighting this election. Giacomo 08:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
How umm...
... bizarre. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Spumoni Again
It is that time of year again and I don't mean the Arbcom elections.
From November 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&diff=next&oldid=173335718
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
In the States we have a holiday (Thanksgiving) prior to which much food goes on sale, and occasionally Spumoni is included in the sales. Yesterday, due to a buy-one-get-one-free sale, I had the opportunity to get a half gallon of Spumoni for free. I thought this would be a good opportunity to show the kids why Spumoni is not served at the 31 Flavors Ice Cream Parlor. I had the Spumoni in my cart, but as I approached the checkout, I thought better of my decision, returned the Spumoni and selected a half-gallon of Gingerbread flavored ice cream. As expected, the Gingerbread flavored ice cream was terrible, but nowhere near as truly awful as the Spumoni would have been. Maybe next Thanksgiving the kids will be old enough to handle Spumoni. Uncle uncle uncle (talk) 19:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
You were correct - it's three Thanksgivings later, and kids still are not able to handle the awfulness of Spumoni. Uncle uncle uncle 18:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Glad to hear the kids are well. Whay a hoot, I had forgoten that. Giacomo 18:49, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Arb
I voted for you, silly goose. GoodDay (talk) 21:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Ping
Hope you don't mind, I was answering an OTRS email from a chap who has a project to visit and photograph every cathedral in France, he was struggling a little with some of our licensing stuff so I suggested he might like to have a chat with you as you are, if I recall, more than slightly interested in architecture and I know that you are an excellent writer of content and very experienced with our processes (albeit not always in the way you'd prefer). Cheers, Guy (Help!) 00:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Me? I'm always being templated for the wrong licence or something - even in trouble because I failed to set my camera date up properly so it told a different date to the license. Happy to give him some pointers - he might like to see my vomiting gargoyles at Rheims Cathedral in a thunder storm - come to thnk of it that's when the camera went funny. Giacomo 00:12, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Careful with what's included in any outdoor photo in France; French copyright law is weird. They have no legal concept of "freedom of panorama", and some things which seem "obviously" public domain (most notably the lighting of the Eiffel Tower) still count as copyrighted. – iridescent 00:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I know, you have to be very careful on a private hotel beach not to get the lady with the protruding nipples and all over tan having sun cream rubbed into her by the old man with a medalion in a thong. Giacomo 00:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- where else would you keep it, you can't let it get lost in the sand. Giacomo 00:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- There are so many things I hate about beach holidays it's difficult to know where to start. My number one hate though, without any shadow of a doubt, is fag ends stubbed into the sand. I remember being very impressed some years ago on holiday in Spain when I saw some gigantic sand tumbling machines wandering up and down the beach late at night, but I was less impressed at ... well, I'll leave it to your imagination. Malleus Fatuorum 01:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
How much work should I do on a page in my sandbox before throwing it in the encyclopedia?
If I get all the work done, previously, the thing will be finished product, have the organization and style I want, and be bristling with deletion-repelling footnotes and such. That said, I kinda worry about it languishing in my box, and also like the feedback of having it really on the net, available for Google searches and the like.
Here is a practical example: User:TCO/Sandbox/Amanar. Should I try to get it spiffy (probably still needing help with images or categories or things like that as is, but as spiffy as I can?) Or just get a decent amount of copy down, as here, a stubtag (need to figure out how to add those) and throw it over the wall?
Here's another example: Stover at Yale. I started that article, then wandered away and it's pretty much a mess now. Half-written plot-line and needing a lot of pruning (I wrote long, then clip). And no one improved it after I wrote what I did.
TCO (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I always work to completion in user space, with friends criticising on the talk page (if they are brave enough). I've wrote my thoughts on the subject here ages ago. Don't worry about pages languishing unloved, this has been in various of my user pages for about three years, but it is coming on nicely and should be finished by the Spring. I always have about three on the boil at once, that way you never get bored. This one is half finished. You can put pages in mainspace from their conception or just as soon as they are comprehendable, many don't even wait for that. In fact, many pages are never comprehendable. No one will nominate for deletion a new page someone is working on, if they do I shall bite them very hard. If you are worried you can always put the "in use" template on it for 24 hours or so - you do that like this {{inuse}. Ask again if you want to know more. Giacomo 19:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Yeah, had read your FA "how to" article recently. I have kind of come along to the opinion that relatively more work should be done in sandbox first. I use to be of the "content is king", "let me build the house" school, that didn't like people nuking articles under creation. But I sort of agree with the nukers, not for the same reasons exactly, but it just makes sense to get something that is at least at good "draft" stage, in terms of some critical mass. And there's also a control and consistency bonus.
I do still sort of wonder. For instance, if it is something that one never really intends to get to FA and just wants to get something out into Google space. Like a short bio, for instance RVC Bodley. It seems like there would be some natural point of creation and then launching. I did decide to launch Amanar after I had done most of what I could do easily last night. Getting an image or doing a real search of old periodicals (hard copy) would be pretty arduous and didn't think I would get to it ever, or soon.
And sometimes people do build an article up. While SAY languished as a mess for over a year, with no substantial edits added, Michael Wolff (journalist) got a pretty substantial improvement (maybe even by him, but it's good writing and not overly self-praising), so sometimes someone does actually build substantial new content (not just a factoid or categorie thingies). Hmm...
TCO (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I'm concerned the natural point of launching is when you've done enough to be sure that the article won't be immediately tagged for deletion, simple as that. Malleus Fatuorum
Is it desirable to preserve the edit history from the sandbox?
Look for instance at Virginia House, as of 27NOV (I need to learn how to paste diffs). (Btw, thought you would like the pretty pictures and it being an article and all nice and all in the article. No?) Anyhow, in the edit history, there's basically nothing! Like a baby born as a man. On the other hand, when I moved Amanar to mainspace, the edit history was maintained. I guess the former is kind of clean. And prevents some forms of vandalism or mischief. But also lose some ability to go back. Which approach is better, do you think? TCO (talk) 20:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm no expert, but I believe that the preferred way is to preserve the article history by moving your sandbox article into mainspace. Malleus Fatuorum 21:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- If more than one person has edited the sandbox, it's a legal requirement that the history be preserved. If you're the sole editor, it's entirely up to you whether you move the sandbox (and preserve the history) or cut-and-paste (and start the history with a clean slate). – iridescent 21:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)