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::Now I see. Just look at the last 500 edits of everyone in the list of involved editors, plus the total number of his edits, plus his blocking history, and you have a picture. However, that would be in part misleading for long-term contributors like R, V and me.[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] ([[User talk:Biophys|talk]]) 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC) |
::Now I see. Just look at the last 500 edits of everyone in the list of involved editors, plus the total number of his edits, plus his blocking history, and you have a picture. However, that would be in part misleading for long-term contributors like R, V and me.[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] ([[User talk:Biophys|talk]]) 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::This is not arbitration as yet, this is a request for arbitration. Offy and PU don't have much experience with this and are wasting their time adding piles of diffs (furthermore, in their collectivist dreams the guys seem to have forgotten that no group can be held responsible, and no diffs aimed at incriminating a group as a whole will ever change this). As to diffs, all in good time. Yes, I think it would be a good idea to have somebody like Moreschi or Durova or FPS looking at the edit history of everyone listed in the case and beyond and applying sanctions at their own discretion (pursuant to the existing policy) in order to eliminate belligerent behavior from this area. After all, this is what administrators are supposed to do. Formally they don't even need a further ArbCom sanction for this. [[User:Colchicum|Colchicum]] ([[User talk:Colchicum#top|talk]]) 15:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC) |
:::This is not arbitration as yet, this is a request for arbitration. Offy and PU don't have much experience with this and are wasting their time adding piles of diffs (furthermore, in their collectivist dreams the guys seem to have forgotten that no group can be held responsible, and no diffs aimed at incriminating a group as a whole will ever change this). As to diffs, all in good time. Yes, I think it would be a good idea to have somebody like Moreschi or Durova or FPS looking at the edit history of everyone listed in the case and beyond and applying sanctions at their own discretion (pursuant to the existing policy) in order to eliminate belligerent behavior from this area. After all, this is what administrators are supposed to do. Formally they don't even need a further ArbCom sanction for this. [[User:Colchicum|Colchicum]] ([[User talk:Colchicum#top|talk]]) 15:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== I'm out of here == |
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I've been working on the AE stuff, and discussing it with my colleagues. 2007 came to mind, and not in a good way. I'm afraid Wikipedia is broken beyond repair, and I've got enough of trying to repair the unrepairable dream. Consequently, I'll give up and won't waste my time on it anymore. |
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There are some people here I'm going to miss. Perhaps, when stars are right, we can some time coöperate in another way, for another purpose. Hopefully, a better purpose. [[User:Digwuren|Дигвурен Дигвурович]]<sub>[[User talk:Digwuren|Аллё?]]</sub> 15:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC) |
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St. Petersburg's area
Спасибо за напоминание о проблеме с площадью — меня как раз глодало чувство, что я забыл о чём-то важном. Оказалось, вот о чём :) Обязательно добавлю.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:29, May 26, 2009 (UTC)
- OK, should be fixed now. If you see anything else I have missed, please let me know.
- Additionally, if you have any other input regarding this infobox re-design, it'd be great to hear it out. In particular, do you have an opinion regarding the elevation and agglomeration problems I outlined on my talk page (those which Texmon disagrees with?). We could certainly use another opinion... Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:52, May 26, 2009 (UTC)
- Спасибо за комментарии. Я тоже думаю, что чем короче, тем лучше. С теми же Events явно получился перебор. Данные по предыдущим названиям города можно сделать отдельным полем (которое места будет занимать существенно меньше), а даты переноса столиц можно найти и в тексте. Сделаю так.
- Часовой пояс добавить нетрудно; подумаю, куда его лучше прилепить, когда разберёмся с остальными проблемами.
- Насчёт высоты, вернее, насчёт того, что данные по ней найти просто, я не совсем согласен. Если мы указываем две площади (субъекта и собственно города), то при указании диапазона надо также указывать, с какой из этих площадей он соотносится, а то получится как с Владивостоком (в некоторых источниках Орлиное Гнездо до сих пор указывается самой высокой точкой города, хотя город уже давно разросся и включил территорию с сопкой куда повыше). Не знаю наверняка, проблема ли это в случае с Питером, но при наличии двух площадей такой вопрос у вдумчивого читателя наверняка возникнет. Но в целом я согласен с тем, что ценность данных по высоте над уровнем моря в инфобоксе довольно маргинальна. Включать её только потому, что "а у других так" по-моему довольно глупо, а практической ценности я просто не вижу. То же самое и с агломерациями (плюс проблема с источниками).
- Насчёт коллажей у меня устойчивого мнения нет. У Москвы, по-моему, коллаж вполне приличный, а если включать только одну фотографию, то это верный шаг к постоянным спорам. Ну не слайд-шоу же туда встраивать :) В документации к шаблону я указал "collage or skyline image"; конкретику оставляю за теми, кто интересуется доработкой собственно статьи, а не дизайном инфобоксов.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:11, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
BF4
I think it's time to report Beatle Fab Four to AE. What do you think?Biophys (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I think he doesn't have a slightest chance to survive anything like that, given the percentage of blind reverts in his edits (not because of any particular case, where by chance he might be right or wrong). But a number of his associates will inevitably materialize there to troll the board. I am tired of that. So it is up to you to decide. If you think it's time, it's time. Colchicum (talk) 09:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- It's a good thing that AE is less prone to trolling than AN/I. Дигвурен ДигвуровичАллё? 10:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- I see what you mean, Colchicum. I will report BF4. In reply, all his friends will report me. I will report all of them. Then they will report Дигвурен Дигвурович and everyone else they do not like. Finally, everyone will be resticted (which may be a good thing? - remember what Vassisualii Lokhankin said kogda ego poroli: "mozet byt' v etom i zakluchaetsja sermjaznaya pravda?").Biophys (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- It's a good thing that AE is less prone to trolling than AN/I. Дигвурен ДигвуровичАллё? 10:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Question about cats
Hi - no, not those cats. Seeing that you pointed out to me that inclusions in categories have to be "uncontroversial" in your edit summary, I was wondering if you could point out where this was mentioned on Wikipedia's policies. (I'm rather curious what "uncontroversial" means as it is decribed.) You know, I'm new, so I just thought you might help me out. I tried looking at WP:Categories, but I couldn't find anything about non-controversial inclusions only. Still, I don't want to breach any kind of protocol.
If, for instance, we categorize the USSR as communist despite arguments from critics that it really was not, why can't the same principle be applied to Nashi, despite the parallel criticism?
Thanks! PasswordUsername (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Eastern Europe
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Eastern Europe and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.
Thanks, Offliner (talk) 21:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- I saw your last comment in this case. How they are going to investigate? Just to look at the edit history of everyone listed in the case? Do you mean banning everyone currently under investigation at AE? Do you mean placing everyone with blocking history under 1RR restriction? That is why one needs at least a vague discussion and diffs at AE, not mentioning arbitration. Thanks,Biophys (talk) 14:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- Now I see. Just look at the last 500 edits of everyone in the list of involved editors, plus the total number of his edits, plus his blocking history, and you have a picture. However, that would be in part misleading for long-term contributors like R, V and me.Biophys (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- This is not arbitration as yet, this is a request for arbitration. Offy and PU don't have much experience with this and are wasting their time adding piles of diffs (furthermore, in their collectivist dreams the guys seem to have forgotten that no group can be held responsible, and no diffs aimed at incriminating a group as a whole will ever change this). As to diffs, all in good time. Yes, I think it would be a good idea to have somebody like Moreschi or Durova or FPS looking at the edit history of everyone listed in the case and beyond and applying sanctions at their own discretion (pursuant to the existing policy) in order to eliminate belligerent behavior from this area. After all, this is what administrators are supposed to do. Formally they don't even need a further ArbCom sanction for this. Colchicum (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- Now I see. Just look at the last 500 edits of everyone in the list of involved editors, plus the total number of his edits, plus his blocking history, and you have a picture. However, that would be in part misleading for long-term contributors like R, V and me.Biophys (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm out of here
Hi,
I've been working on the AE stuff, and discussing it with my colleagues. 2007 came to mind, and not in a good way. I'm afraid Wikipedia is broken beyond repair, and I've got enough of trying to repair the unrepairable dream. Consequently, I'll give up and won't waste my time on it anymore.
There are some people here I'm going to miss. Perhaps, when stars are right, we can some time coöperate in another way, for another purpose. Hopefully, a better purpose. Дигвурен ДигвуровичАллё? 15:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)