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== Platinum Goddess == |
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Hey Bishonen. I might have accidently copied your Platinum Goddess to my Sandbox and NL page. [[User:Slightsmile|<span style="color: navy;">Slight</span>]][[User talk:Slightsmile|<i style="color: teal;">Smile</i>]] 19:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:That's fine, [[User:Slightsmile|Slightsmile]]. I hope it made you smile. Could you give the creator {{u|MjolnirPants}} credit in the history, please? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC). |
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::I want MPants back (yes, I'm aware I blocked him, but doesn't change that I want him back.) [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 20:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC) |
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Enabling bullying
By unblocking User:EEng you are effectively saying that certain people can do whatever they want on wikipedia, harrass and bully anyone they want as long as they are popular enough and "it's only a joke". Admins are meant to stop this behaviour not to encourage it. Please consider your position.Nigel Ish (talk) 13:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Welp, if the purpose of the block was to stop disruption, it failed in that purpose. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- And that's because people like you support disruption as long as it's from one of the favoured few. If a normal editor acted like EEng then they would be told to stop and if they persisted would be very quickly permablocked with no way back, but as long as you've got admins who've got your back you can do anything. Wikipedia cannot pretend to take harassment seriously while this "one rule for them and another for us" continues.Nigel Ish (talk) 15:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Nigel Ish: I realize you are angry, and that was a heated utterance. However, it's 1) a personal attack, and 2) quite unfounded. At no time did I say the block was wrong or that he should be unblocked. In fact, I said that his conduct is becoming increasingly inappropriate and that he needs to stop. Thanks, sorry bish1 --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:27, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, Nigel Ish. I understand your point. But I assessed the consensus of the ANI discussion and found it to be obviously in favor of an unblock. When an admin finds an obvious consensus, I think their appropriate action is to implement that consensus. That's my position. Bishonen | tålk 15:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC).
- (multiple e/c's, i expect this post is less useful now) It's a constant source of bemusement to me that people otherwise so enamored with the idea of civility can say, repeatedly and with a straight face, things like "people like you support disruption as long as it's from one of the favoured few" (emphasis mine). That kind of vilification of other people's motives is an exact replication of the tactic "Democrats want to destroy America". It is much worse, much less civil, much more damaging, than rudely saying someone is being dumb. In a way I guess it's understandable; people are emotional. I'm certainly not proposing some kind of action. I'm sure Bish certainly expected incivility from people when she unblocked. But the logical dissonance is kind of jarring. Perhaps Nigel Ish would like to rephrase, and comment on the cost or benefit of actions, not your motives. Or maybe they wouldn't. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Fundamentally there seems to be a refusal to admit to responsibility for admin actions - If you use admin powers either by blocking or unblocking then you personally must take responsibility for your actions (rather than hiding behind "it was consensus that forced you to unblock". Bishonen's actions, by unblocking EEng, supports the toxic culture on Wikipedia when the mocking and abuse of real people is applauded so long as it is from the right people and is considered amusing by those with power and influence, just as those who carry out the toxic actions or applaud from the wings. But as it is clear from User:Deepfriedokra and User:Floquenbeam comments that criticism of your actions will not be tolerated and is considered a personal attack, I will not comment here again.Nigel Ish (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oh come on. The responsibility of an admin, in this situation, is to judge consensus, and act on it. You may certainly disagree with their judgement concerning consensus, but you can't expect them to be responsible for, or agree with, or defend that consensus. And for an admin to see a clear consensus to unblock and not do so because they disagree with the consensus, is for that admin to substitute their judgement for that of the community. Something we don't generally want. Paul August ☎ 16:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Fundamentally there seems to be a refusal to admit to responsibility for admin actions - If you use admin powers either by blocking or unblocking then you personally must take responsibility for your actions (rather than hiding behind "it was consensus that forced you to unblock". Bishonen's actions, by unblocking EEng, supports the toxic culture on Wikipedia when the mocking and abuse of real people is applauded so long as it is from the right people and is considered amusing by those with power and influence, just as those who carry out the toxic actions or applaud from the wings. But as it is clear from User:Deepfriedokra and User:Floquenbeam comments that criticism of your actions will not be tolerated and is considered a personal attack, I will not comment here again.Nigel Ish (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- And that's because people like you support disruption as long as it's from one of the favoured few. If a normal editor acted like EEng then they would be told to stop and if they persisted would be very quickly permablocked with no way back, but as long as you've got admins who've got your back you can do anything. Wikipedia cannot pretend to take harassment seriously while this "one rule for them and another for us" continues.Nigel Ish (talk) 15:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Righteous unblock Bish. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF_
- Glad to see this unblock, Bish. Not so much for EEng's sake, but for everyone's. I obviously think the block was incorrect, but was willing to defer to consensus if it had been in favor of keeping the block. But I think it was really important that there be no precedent established that an admin can demand an overwhelming consensus to overturn one of his blocks or else he'll go to ArbCom. In this case, we were lucky there was a consensus to unblock, and that claim could be challenged. If there had been no such consensus, I worry that HJ's rhetoric would have appeared to have been sustained, and next time another admin would try to make the same demand. I should have guessed you weren't afraid of ArbCom. (maybe relished the prospect? just a little? :)... ) --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm willing to admit that HJ's threat gave me pause. But, of course, Bish has bigger cojones than me. Paul August ☎ 18:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- And just imagine how big Bishzilla's are! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Bish has reversed two blocks on mine that required a large amount of chutzpah. I have no hard feelings or the slightest desire to run to the parents, but guts is not a trait Bish lack -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 18:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm willing to admit that HJ's threat gave me pause. But, of course, Bish has bigger cojones than me. Paul August ☎ 18:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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For making the hard decision with dignity and grace. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC) |
Platinum Goddess
Hey Bishonen. I might have accidently copied your Platinum Goddess to my Sandbox and NL page. SlightSmile 19:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's fine, Slightsmile. I hope it made you smile. Could you give the creator MjolnirPants credit in the history, please? Bishonen | tålk 20:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC).
- I want MPants back (yes, I'm aware I blocked him, but doesn't change that I want him back.) TonyBallioni (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)