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Well, I though it was good to be back after several months. But now the same editor who drove me away before with his repeated "fuck offs" and the admin who says it's OK to tell other editors to fuck off are it again. I just wanted to explain to my friends here, in case this is goodbye, that I was minding my own business, not even thinking about that foulmouthed person, and just trying to put it behind me. But within ''days'' of my return he's on my talk page, poking me a stick. And the admin is saying, literally, that if I don't like being told "fuck off" that all my past good work means nothing and that I should leave Wikipedia. |
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I don't know what my future is here. I've started an ANI [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Days_after_my_return_to_Wikipedia_after_months_away.2C_cursing_editor_returns_to_bait_me here], and hopefully something will come of that. I just wanted to let some of the good and responsible editors here know, and that if they're interested in following what's going on, that's the link. I am disheartened as hell. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 10:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Hello Betty, Not sure if this is in the right place. Forgive me for I am new. In regards to my edits on Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. I am sourcing this page http://blog.mysanantonio.com/dvd/2005/11/harry-potter-the-goblet-of-fire-book-to-film-comparison/ .. When I try to do it on my phone it does not save properly. When done from my computer it instead references Jk Rowling book series. How do I fix this problem because there are more things I'd like to add to that page. Thank you for your help and patience lordjoshua420 (talk) 13:17, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Template:$1Billion Films has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
(As you have made a few edits to this template, I thought you may want to comment.)
--Fru1tbat (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Question of curiosity.
I'm new here and while looking through the FAQ section of Wikipedia, I found this question in the section relating to blocks:
"Q If I made an account on Wikipedia on one IP address but opened it on another, would that create problems? E.g. If I attempted to open my account on an IP address that had been completely blocked (no editing, no creating new accounts e.t.c.) but I haven't received a block for anything that I have done under my username, will I be blocked on that IP address? If so, is there a way to appeal it?":
I am curious myself about what is being asked here. Just saying, If I attempted to open my account on an IP address that had been completely blocked (no editing, no creating new accounts e.t.c) without knowing so but I haven't received a block for anything that I have done under my username, will I be blocked on that IP address? If so, is there a way to appeal it?
Michael Demiurgos (talk) 07:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Sock Puppetry
I understand I am being accused of sock puppetry.
Where do I go to respond to that? On the talk page or project page for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jdogno5?
Michael Demiurgos (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
What is happening now? Just trying to understand what is going on.
Michael Demiurgos (talk) 00:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Is that a joke? Did Jdogno5 or I do anything that would be considered "terrorism"? Guantanomo Bay? For trying to express your opinion on the internet? Doesn't that go against the 1st amendment of the USA constitution?
Michael Demiurgos (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- I removed Betty Logan's previous comment because it was inappropriate and could have been interpreted as a legal threat. Please don't make such comments on Wikipedia. -BZTMPS ★ · (talk? contribs?) 13:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Quite right: no sense of humour needed on Wiki. We're all far too serious and important for that sort of thing. (Legal threat? What absolute nonsense!) - SchroCat (talk) 13:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Obviously this user didn't take it as a joke! BZTMPS ★ · (talk? contribs?) 13:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- This user is the subject of a sockpuppet investigation who is one posting away (on Talk:Space Jam) from being labelled a troll. - SchroCat (talk) 14:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Obviously this user didn't take it as a joke! BZTMPS ★ · (talk? contribs?) 13:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Quite right: no sense of humour needed on Wiki. We're all far too serious and important for that sort of thing. (Legal threat? What absolute nonsense!) - SchroCat (talk) 13:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for filing the edit warring report for this editor BL. I also noticed your edits updating the SPI report. I suspect you noticed that it has gone stale. It might be because "Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry" stated that they would look into it further four days ago and has only made one edit to WikiP since. Do you think a post at ANI will get things moving again? Best regards. MarnetteD | Talk 03:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I have left a note at User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry's talk page asking him to conclude the check. A the time I made the report the editor had only made a handful of edits and there was nothing conclusive so I think he just left it running to collate bit more evidence. Michael Demiurgos is currently blocked so we can probably pick it up after the weekend. Betty Logan (talk) 13:25, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for filing the edit warring report for this editor BL. I also noticed your edits updating the SPI report. I suspect you noticed that it has gone stale. It might be because "Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry" stated that they would look into it further four days ago and has only made one edit to WikiP since. Do you think a post at ANI will get things moving again? Best regards. MarnetteD | Talk 03:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the update and all your work in this situation. MarnetteD | Talk 18:00, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Devil in popular culture
How was the last revision I created for Devil in popular culture a synthesis of published materials when both of those issues of "Venus" (Marvel Comics) showed that Loki (Marvel Comics) has a demonic nature to his being?
Michael Demiurgos (talk) 13:44, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- It is SYNTHESIS because having what you interpret as a "demonic nature" is not the same as veriably being a demon. If you want to add claims, you need secondary sources that explicitly make the claim. Betty Logan (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
"Veriably": What does that mean? Forgive me if I sound like an idiot for asking.
Michael Demiurgos (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
- I suggest you read WP:Verifiability, WP:Reliable sources and WP:Original research. If you can't get to grips with these policies perhaps you should find another hobby. If you have questions about those polcies ask on the talk pages or at WP:HELPDESK. Betty Logan (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Angela Cartwright edits
If I made a mistake, I sincerely apologize. I was just trying to make the sentence grammatically correct. As it is, it equates to: "Danny Thomas, as a little girl of the 1950s, starting, etc., signed Cartwright to play his daughter...." In other words, the introductory clauses should modify her (Cartwright), not Danny Thomas. But I could be wrong in this, and if so, I apologize. Also, I apologize for not signing my edits. Grammarspellchecker (talk) 02:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Could you link to my edit please. The edit history at Angela Cartwright says I have never edited the article. Betty Logan (talk) 03:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Cult film Animation section
Hello, I was wondering what was wrong with a sentence I added to the end of the Cult film Animation section on the movie The Thief and the Cobbler.
Thank you in advance, Elixe54 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elixe54 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- As I explained to you in the edit summary, if you are going to describe something as a "cult film" then you must provide a source that discusses it explicitly in those terms. Betty Logan (talk) 00:10, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
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How do you feel about this wording:
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- That seems fine. I just think it is important to make the wording explicit. Betty Logan (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
FLC follow up
Hi. Hope you're well. Thanks for making comments on our FLC (Link to article)(Link to comments), they were really useful. We have made all the changes except changing the infobox colour but Corvoe has explained why that hasn't been done as of yet. I was wondering if you were satisfied with changes we have made or whether you feel more needs to be done on the FLC to garner your support which we are very open to. Cowlibob (talk) 14:44, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
- I have left my "stamp of approval". It's a good list, I think it will pass. Betty Logan (talk) 16:18, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks
for multiple undoings of vandalism on Motion Picture Association of America film rating system. It's not easy to put up with stuff like that, so again, thanks.
70.97.195.40 (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- The editor is heading for a block the way he is going. Unfortunately articles like that one with "naughty" words will always attract vandalism. Betty Logan (talk) 05:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi Betty, I was looking into UK-based IP vandal who keeps adding weird "who died in 1988 last year"-type content. I first spotted them at All Dogs Go to Heaven. While looking into their antics, I saw this edit which was followed by your reversion and comment "Continued disruption by IP hopper". Was curious if you had any more info about them (have they been doing this for a long time? Do they have any other editing behaviors that would help identify them better? etc.) So far I've seen three IPs, 5.64.190.63, 5.64.187.87, and 90.218.173.182. They are all static IPs, and they geolocate either to the city of Cannock in England, or Stafford England. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I was not aware of the disruptive behavior on a wider scale, just at the Transformer article. Obviously due to the IP hopping it is impossible to block the editor so all that can be done is to watch the articles they regularly hit and then revert it when it happens. Betty Logan (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Just a note to tell you that an article you PRODed and was deleted by me, has been restored as a "contested PROD" (User_talk:Ronhjones#Artist_Page). I can only advise that WP:AfD is now the only way to delete. Ronhjones (Talk) 21:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
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Re Rocky
With sincere due respect, here is another citation that may be more agreeable to you:
- Actually, Medavoy says what sold him on Rocky was an agreement to cross the profits of the film with those of the studio's guaranteed hit New York, New York. By doing this, Medavoy says the profits from Martin Scorsese's musical would, in effect, pay for the boxing dud. "Of course," cracks Medavoy, "Rocky wound up paying for whatever losses we had on New York, New York," which tanked.[1]
- ^ Nashawaty, Chris (2002-02-19). "EW: The Right Hook: How Rocky Nabbed Best Picture". Entertainment Weekly.
For what it's worth, the New York, New York page has had that citation to bolster the same point for a while.
Actually, I find it euphemistically amusing that several specious "citation needed" paragraphs are left in there whilst mine was speedily deleted. A "citation needed" would've sufficed, in my very humble opinion. :-D –TashTish (talk)
- That source is fine, but this could have been avoided if you hadn't attributed the claim to a source that did not back it up. Your edit was reverted not because it was unsourced but because I doubted its authenticity. Betty Logan (talk) 06:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but I still fail to see how unsourced anecdotes are allowed to remain, such as Talia Shire's casting being insisted upon by the producers or which body parts were injured during filming, some merely with [citation needed] tags, while others that are actually sourced are reverted. Methinks, again humbly, that completely unsourced conjectures should be reverted, while sourced ones—despite their suspicious validity—be given more benefit of the doubt. Anyway, just a random thought. –TashTish (talk)
- The notification system notified you of my revert and prompted you into correcting your edit, which is the best outcome for the article. I would not take issue if someone reverted me along similar lines. I don't think unsourced content should be allowed to slide—I am actually a stickler for good sourcing—but if I cull the information from the article manually then it will very likely be permanent, since the editors who contributed it will not be notified like you were. If someone decides to take this article on and develop it then obviously the unsourced claims will have to be removed. Betty Logan (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi Betty! Could you take a look at List of world number-one snooker players? Nergaal is insisting to day measurements for the duration of the #1 status in violation of WP:OR. Thanks. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Since there is no link showing a table of #1's in history then the list is not OR. But if a reader wants to compare how long Higgins has been #1 versus O'Sullivan then it is OR. Nice logic. Nergaal (talk) 17:34, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Or the Per frequency part is totally not OR by those standards. Nergaal (talk) 17:39, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- I have started a discussion at Talk:List of world number-one snooker players#The addition of "Days" to the world number 1 calendar. Betty Logan (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
"English" vs. "British"
I noticed you reverted my edit on the Naomi Watts page. This is not new and has long been a common issue on Wikipedia. English people are labeled "British" while people from Scotland and Wales are called "Scottish" and "Welsh". This is extremely unfair treating the English so differently. A similar thing has recently happened on the Andy Serkis page. I will not change until discussed as I wish to be reasonable. Please respond. Thank You WARNER one --9999 (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
- You're actually claiming this to be discrimination against the English when in fact it is the English who have for centuries now discriminated against other parts of the British Isles? That's like saying feminism is discrimination against men. veganfishcake (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
- I actually agree with your reasons here i.e. Sean Connery is Scottish, Michael Caine is English etc, but the situation with Naomi Watts is unsual. She has a British passport but doesn't solely identify as "English". I have left more detailed comments at the Naomi Watts talk page and I also urge you to reader her comments fully in the source too. Betty Logan (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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Changes Undone to Movie Articles
The modifying that I did that mentioned that "No Children 17 and Under Admitted" was undone on two articles. Can you please explain that? Angela Maureen (talk) 20:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe the question should be why did you change it? The source used in the articles says "No One 17 and Under Admitted". Your edit made the wording inaccurate. Betty Logan (talk) 20:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- The reason for modification is many MPAA officials and audience members interpret the rating as "No Children 17 and Under Admitted". Also, the C in NC-17 means "Children". NC-17 was changed to its current meaning somewhere around the mid 1990s. Angela Maureen (talk) 20:56, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- Factual accuracy is the primary consideration here and the MPAA currently uses the "No One" nomenclature. The MPAA obviously have their reasons for altering the wording. If there is some historical context for altering the wording then that would be an interesting addition to the article, but it's not our place to re-interpret the MPAA certificate for them. Betty Logan (talk) 21:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Definition of veganism.
By all accounts there has never ever been a definition of veganism that includes honey or bees products. Every definition of veganism that has ever existed, including on Wikipedia, means to avoid the use and consumption of animals products. Honey is an animal product is it not? Or do you count bees as a plant?
Apology
I previously used to be WARNER one and have since reincarnated myself to be more friendly, useful, cooperative, less nationalistic and all together a better editor. I have identified you as one of the editors that I have wronged in the past which is why I urge you not to consider my previous actions in the future as I am completely different. I would like to be friends so we can hopefully collaborate in the future. If you understandably still don't want to colabarte and/or see my new side then that is 100% fine. Just please leave me a note here so I know for the future. THANKYOU! --Warner REBORN (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- It's good that you have decided to turn over a new leaf. However, if you look at some of our interactions (such as on the Avatar article) I didn't actually oppose all of your conclusions, just your methods. I am sure we will get along fine provided you follow the WP:BRD cycle. Betty Logan (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Motion Picture Rating System
I've reverted your latest version. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Comment
On the one hand, your post to WP:AN was a reasonable approach to the table having been broken. On the other hand, it was reasonable for another reason than you expected. There was very little possibility that you would be given permission to breach 3RR, but, since WP:AN is watchlisted heavily, you would be likely to get another editor to make the change for you, since 3RR doesn't apply to other editors. If the change had been simple vandalism, 3RR would not apply, but it appears that it wasn't vandalism, but a good-faith error by the other editor, compounded by making improper changes to the table. If the other editor resumes editing the table when coming off the block, please go back to WP:ANEW and request a longer block. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Will you please stop changing the ratings? you only signed up to make ratings wrong. The NC-17 means adults only, don't believe me? see Blue is the warmest color trailer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.139.135 (talk) 17:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
FLC review request
Hi. Hope you're well. Corvoe and I nominated Gravity's accolades page for featured list a couple of weeks ago. I was wondering if you had some time to review it. It would be really helpful. Link to the article [1] and the FLC [2]. Cowlibob (talk) 11:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- I will look over this for you this weekend. I took a glance and it looks fine so I doubt there are any major issues. Betty Logan (talk) 07:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh no...
hmmm.... here we No again, doctor? - SchroCat (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- I've reverted this. I recall the ruling at Commons being explicitly clear that we could only host the file here. Betty Logan (talk) 17:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Betty Logan, hey thanks for semi-protecting the motion picture rating system, there were many vandalism which violates the 3RR code. and the PG does not have an age. Its for all ages with parental guidance. but any who thanks for sorting it out later man BasicallyIdowrk — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicallyIdowrk (talk • contribs) 11:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Clarification.
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Please restrict messages on this talk page to questions and comments about editing.
Hey, I would like to know why you thought it was relevant to mention that I live about 50 miles away from the football club I support when you reported me? I used to live near the football club and I moved away from the area, what's that got to do with anything I have been doing on Wikipedia? veganfishcake (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- How do you mean? I'm pretty sure you weren't blocked for supporting a football team; in fact your extended block was due to a report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Veganfishcake/Archive. Anyway, I replaced the image at the veganis article and changed the caption so hopefully this solution is acceptable to you. If it is not then please take the issue up at the talk page. Betty Logan (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- No, but when you reported me you made a point (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&oldid=616512537#User:Veganfishcake_reported_by_User:Betty_Logan_.28Result:_24_hours.29) about me support a football club about 50 miles away from where I live, as if it was relevant to the decision to block me or not. I'll quote what you wrote: "The editor supports Fleetwood F.C. (a UK football club) on his user page while the IP operates out of Longsight UK, with Fleetwood and Longsight situated just 50 miles apart.". I would just like clarification as to why you wrote that. I'll contribute on the talk page as I was not given a chance to do so over the last few days before you made the decision to change the picture. veganfishcake (talk) 22:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, can I please get an answer to this? Thank you veganfishcake (talk) 11:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- No, but when you reported me you made a point (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&oldid=616512537#User:Veganfishcake_reported_by_User:Betty_Logan_.28Result:_24_hours.29) about me support a football club about 50 miles away from where I live, as if it was relevant to the decision to block me or not. I'll quote what you wrote: "The editor supports Fleetwood F.C. (a UK football club) on his user page while the IP operates out of Longsight UK, with Fleetwood and Longsight situated just 50 miles apart.". I would just like clarification as to why you wrote that. I'll contribute on the talk page as I was not given a chance to do so over the last few days before you made the decision to change the picture. veganfishcake (talk) 22:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Sound of Music
Hello, Ms Betty Logan,
I noticed you removed my edit of the chapter on the film Sound of Music and historical facts. I guess it must be because I did not log in properly. Will do so next time. I live and work in Salzburg, just 100 metres away from Nonnberg Abbey. The wikipedia entry on the musical and the film 'Sound of Music' is naïvely written and makes little mention on the austrian/german language films which inspired Rogers and Hammerstein to write the musical to start with: the most seen films to date in austrian history are the films about Maria von Trapps life in 1956 and 1958. But today, Salzburg gets hundreds of thousands of visitors every year from around the world who would like to see where the Hollywood musical was filmed. The Hollywood film gets the blame for telling the story incorrect, though. I do not see why my edit to the article was wrong? Please explain (this is Wikipedia). Myself, I enjoy both the austrian films (there were two!) and the musical, but it was the austrian film which took liberties from the actual story: the Hollywood film just copied the austrian one. I don't think my additions did any harm or told a wrong story: I stand to be corrected if so -but please explain first. John, Salzburg, Austria — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.165.128.116 (talk) 08:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Please explain to me:
1. What sources based box office franchises James Bond, Superman, Star Trek? Where did the box office $190400000, $80200000 and $36700000 for Superman II, III, IV? Or James Bond franchise? Unless Boxoffice and The Numbers are not reliable sources? I did this changes to these sources. I don't understand.
2. Why Batman franchise have Catwoman?
Thanks, KIRILL1995 (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- All the sources used are all listed at the ended of the article in "Franchise sources". Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are fine as a rule, but sometimes we use other sources because i) they are incomplete ii) in rare cases better sources (such as with older films) are available. As for the reasons for each franchise here they are:
- The Superman figures come "George Lucas' Blockbusting" written by Alex Ben Block because neither Box Office Mojo or The Numbers list worldwide figures. If you actually look at those sites (as opposed to the Wikipedia articles) you will see they only list the American grosses which means they are missing global data. BOM only has US data for Superman 2-4 so that is why we use the book for this franchise. Replacing the current numbers with those from BOM means we would only have domestic totals in some cases.
- All the Star Trek figures come from The Numbers site to be consistent, since Box Office Mojo does not list worldwide grosses for all the films. Some of Box Office Mojo's data differs slightly by a million here or a million there, but in the absence of not knowing which source is more accurate then it's probably better to use the same source for all the data.
- The older James Bond figures (up to Dalton) come from the George Lucas book since Box Office Mojo does not have them for the older films. The later figures (from Brosnan onwards) uses Box Office Mojo. We used to use The Numbers for the James Bond films but we discovered it was inconsistent with many books about the James Bond films, so the James Bond project decided to use the book instead. You can fully read that discussion at User_talk:SchroCat/Archive_4#James_Bond_grosses. You can see a comparison of all the different figures for the Bond films at User:Betty_Logan/Sandbox#Bond_grosses.
- As for Catwoman, it is included because it is part of the Batman franchise even though Batman himself does not appear in the film. It is a spin-off from Batman Returns (Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman appears in a photograph) so exists in the same continuity. As a rule we include all spin-offs (see Supergirl in the Superman franchise, Puss-in-Boots in the Shrek franchise, The Scorpion King in the The Mummy franchise, The Clone Wars in the Star Wars franchise, and the upcoming Fantastic Beasts in the Harry Potter franchise).
- I hope this helps to explain why we use certain sources over the others. Betty Logan (talk) 23:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
A tip
I've got the source for the new Frozen numbers now, but it's good Wiki-etiquette to leave a message on someone's talk page rather than a revert, which is considered a harsh action only to be done only when necessary. When in doubt, talking is much preferable. Dralwik|Have a Chat 02:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you
... for you insight and clarity. . Schmidt, Michael Q. 10:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
(Betty, in the past you have been good at taking a neutral look at disputes on this article so I am copying the same message I posted to the Film project in hopes that your good sense can help this before it gets out of hand)
An editor has pointed out an inconsistency in the soundtrack listings of the film in our articles. There is also an inconsistency in the listing in the primary source that seems to be a blatant mislabeling. How should we proceed with any changes? We need to form a consensus one way of another.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Proposed move
Hi Betty, I suspect this may already have come across your radar, but in case it hasn't, this may be of interest for you. - SchroCat (talk) 10:25, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
- I hadn't noticed it actually (it's on my watchlist but an archive bot is the last edt) but I've added my comments. I don't think there is much danger at this stage. Betty Logan (talk) 08:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Wizard of Oz
The national release date for The Wizard of Oz was August 25th.. You are putting the date for one of it's three minor release dates. You also did not put a reference and removed my reference when you reverted my edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordjoshua420 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
As the article on Star Trek: Axanar can be seen as TOO SOON for its own article, I gave the situation some thought, some research, and created one on Prelude to Axanar in my draftspace. As Prelude has coverage it can be seen to meet WP:NF and, as it has been released we have no worries about WP:NFF. That said, I invite you to visit and consider the section at Prelude to Axanar#Planned feature film as a suitable redirect target for the much smaller,less comprehensive, and poorly sourced Star Trek: Axanar when I move my draft to article space. What'cha say? Schmidt, Michael Q. 09:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- I will fully support that solution, Michael! Good work. Betty Logan (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- After a few final tweaks, the draft has now been moved to Prelude to Axanar. Have a great day. Schmidt, Michael Q. 14:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Gone With The Wind
Why did you revert my "dubious" marker? The existing text is inaccurate, as watching the opening of the movie will demonstrate. One minute into the opening of the film, as the opening credits appear on the screen, the names of the four principal actors are shown, so, contrary to what the text of the article, they do receive top billing, and there is nothing unusual. The items referred to in the text occur later on in the opening. I attempted to insert a You Tube video that shows the opening credits, but Wikipedia does not permit the insertion of You Tube videos.John Paul Parks (talk) 01:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
- I reverted you because you didn't provide any explanation for the tag—either in the edit summary or on the talk page as you said you had. You can watch the opening credits at [3], which includes the billing credits and cast lists. Betty Logan (talk) 01:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC) EDIT: I don't quite understand what you saying, because the article does say that the principals get top-billing. Betty Logan (talk) 01:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Lana/Larry issue again.
Dear Betty,
You guess it. It's the same trouble on the Matrix article. I might need a bit of your help convincing people there. Just thinking about the trouble gives me a huge headache already. Anthonydraco (talk) 15:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Harry Potter:Goblet of Fire I keep adding this as the source http://blog.mysanantonio.com/dvd/2005/11/harry-potter-the-goblet-of-fire-book-to-film-comparison/. Though after the edit is saved the source keeps referencing Harry Potter Series by JK Rowling. Please help me fix this issue [[User:lordjoshua420 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordjoshua420 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
- I strongly urge you to stop reverting and gain a consensus on the talk page for your additions. You have already been blocked once for edit-warring in the last week, and another incursion in such a short period of time would result in a lengthy block. You have actually broken 3RR, but I am going to cut you some slack since you are a new editor. Betty Logan (talk) 17:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I sourced my last edit and the information I edited is accurate i don't understand why you are removing my edit. I provided a source http://blog.mysanantonio.com/dvd/2005/11/harry-potter-the-goblet-of-fire-book-to-film-comparison/. Is there something I'm still not doing correctly? lordjoshua420 (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Regarding your disruptive edit on the Missing White Woman Syndrome article.
Refer to the talk page of the Missing White Woman article. AChildOfTwoCultures (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
Think you for proposing the step that I should have proposed ages ago: now passed by consensus, and a better, less fraught talk page ahead of us all! – SchroCat (talk) 06:49, 16 September 2014 (UTC) |
Your welcome! To be fair it probably wouldn't have passed if either you/Cass/Blofeld had proposed it on impartiality grounds. No-one should have to put up with that kind of haranguing for two years though—it would have driven me around the twist!
Personal Attack in Merge War
On the one hand, there is, as you note, a merge war in progress, and the merge is being reverted out of process. On the other hand, your claim that one of the editors is a "pathological liar" is a very strong personal attack, and you could be blocked for it when the merge warrior is blocked for the merge war. Please do not make personal attacks. (The matter of the editor's block log is not a personal attack, although it is a bit stale, but WP:NPA is an enforced policy.) Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Fair enough Robert, you make a sound point. I have struck out the "pathological" bit but I reserve the right to point out dishonest claims pertinent to the discussion itself. Betty Logan (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I AM WILD EDIT
Just in case there was any doubt about his actual age, the fake signature he pulled with his latest sock was actually pretty hard to spot. Meters (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Let's hope it will "lights out" for him! Betty Logan (talk) 04:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
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FYI
Hello BL. Remembering your work on this User:Betty Logan/BRD enforcer I thought that you might find this Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#WP:BRD as essay of interest. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 18:13, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I suggested making it a policy/guideline once before at the village pump too and it was kicked into the grass. I don't really understand the logic: if edit-warring is a policy breach then technically breaching BRD is a policy breach too so I don't see the problem with setting it in stone. It would certainly make life easier if editors were compelled to follow BRD, but I guess the reason it never gets the support is that there are too many editors with too much to lose if everyone is forced to play fair. Betty Logan (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Motion picture rating system: Swedish "från 15 år" rating
You have reverted my edit of Swedish "15" age rating, but there is in fact a "från 15 år" rating.
It is only the English-language "Statens Mediaråd" page that doesn't explicitly mention the "15" classification.
On the Swedish-language page it is mentioned as "15-årsgränsen", and that a movie can fall under this for two reasons, if submitted for classification and not approved for children, or if not submitted for classification: http://www.statensmedierad.se/Aldersgranser/Aldersgranser-for-film/Aldersgranserna/
It is mentioned (in English) as "The age ratings are “all ages”, 7, 11 and “not approved”, the latter resulting in a 15 rating.":
http://www.statensmedierad.se/Om-Statens-medierad/In-English/Film-Classification/
The "från 15 år" rating is used in the "Statens Mediaråd" Film Database, and is explained on this page: http://www.statensmedierad.se/Om-Statens-medierad/In-English/Film-Database/
And Swedish cinemas write "från 15 år" or "15 år" on their schedules and advertising: http://extra.sf.se/pdf/SE/SE.pdf
Bo Johansson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.135.31 (talk) 19:29, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- I reverted because you changed information so that it contradicted the source. You say the English version is inaccurate and the native Swedish source says there is a 15 rating? The only problem though is that I can't read Swedish and Google translate leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation. Obviously I would like to ensure the information is correct, therefore I have a couple questions:
- What is the difference between a "15" rating and the "Not approved" rating?
- What is the difference between "Not approved" and "unrated"?
- Betty Logan (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
1. As I understand it, the age limits are set by law (SFS 2010:1882), these are "all ages", 7, 11, and 15 years. Mediarådet's task is to check if films are harmful to children, so they can approve a film for children of all ages, from 7 years, 11 years, or not approve it for children. If they don't approve it, the 15-year limit applies. http://www.notisum.se/rnp/sls/lag/20101882.htm
2. The 15-year limit applies for films that have been submitted to Mediarådet and not approved for children, and also for films that have not been submitted to Mediarådet. The last category might be called "unrated".
Bo Johansson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.135.31 (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I am going to make the corrections in line with your comments. I will also add in the native Swedish source too and we will see how it works out. Betty Logan (talk) 09:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Something similar to your proposal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#Proposal --Ring Cinema (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, Ring. I will take a closer look this evening. Betty Logan (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you're monitoring this. --Ring Cinema (talk) 16:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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Guardians of the Galaxy - Box office
This is a neutral notice for a discussion about the box office section of this film.Spinc5 (talk) 16:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you
I appreciate your comment HERE, but I wonder how we'd address his (likely) asking again about my not having seen this Kannada film, my reliance on the good faith edit of another user (whom I presume watched the film), and how WP:FILMPLOT and WP:PLOTSUM#Citations presumptions seems to conflict with WP:NOR. Again, thank you, Schmidt, Michael Q. 12:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- If he were saying the plot summary isn't accurate then you would need to be in a position to discuss the content then (which would require watching the film) but that isn't the reason for his edit. You disagree with his rationale that the summary isn't sourced, so you are entitled to revert on that basis. In regards to NOR, watching a film and summarising the content is essentially no different to reading a book or a newspaper article and summarising the content, which is basically the whole point of Wikipedia. Betty Logan (talk) 23:34, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Same thing as months ago
Well, I though it was good to be back after several months. But now the same editor who drove me away before with his repeated "fuck offs" and the admin who says it's OK to tell other editors to fuck off are it again. I just wanted to explain to my friends here, in case this is goodbye, that I was minding my own business, not even thinking about that foulmouthed person, and just trying to put it behind me. But within days of my return he's on my talk page, poking me a stick. And the admin is saying, literally, that if I don't like being told "fuck off" that all my past good work means nothing and that I should leave Wikipedia.
I don't know what my future is here. I've started an ANI here, and hopefully something will come of that. I just wanted to let some of the good and responsible editors here know, and that if they're interested in following what's going on, that's the link. I am disheartened as hell. --Tenebrae (talk) 10:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)