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iCarly seasons
iCarly - Season Split Defense
Hey Aussie, I heard you were tough when it came to the editing of this show so I need your help here. Over the course of a week, I've been over at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_iCarly_episodes#Sixth_season to defend the known season split of the second production season to form the broadcast marketed Season 3. A user, Kevinbrogers came by and challenged this because of sources referring to the production cycle. We had a heated discussion and I think I provided enough evidence to support the fact that there was a broadcast season split. He and his buddy, Alec2011 just tried throwing everything aside, even a Nick press statement that references the broadcast cycle during one of their special DVD releases of collection episodes from Seasons 2 and 3 of "iCarly" (the broadcast seasons). He just really seemed full of himself at this point. I explained about how the production cycles and the broadcast cycles work and I just want you to check this out and see if I am right for the episode list to be changed back the way it was. - Jabrona - 02:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- I just want to point out that these accusations of "throwing everything aside" are completely untrue. I looked at all of them; they mostly consisted of blog posts or YouTube videos. The one reliable source was a press release that was very vague, which was later followed by a press release from the same website with differing information. Kevinbrogers (talk) 03:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Are you stalking me now? Funny to find you ending up here. The blogs and Youtube videos were useful in a way but since those weren't good enough for you, I had to dig up other things. The press release info wasn't vague as it flat out referenced the broadcast cycle, and don't even get me started on the later press release. You still want to wrap your fingers around that one do you after I clearly got to the buttom of that like five times in the most obvious say possible that you shouldn't even have questioned it in the first place? Yeah, okay. - Jabrona - 04:16, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not stalking you. I just happened to be following this talk page after I had a previous discussion here. Kevinbrogers (talk) 04:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- How long ago was that because I sure don't see anything written above that had anything to do with you. - Jabrona - 04:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
- Check the archives. It was back in May, I believe. Kevinbrogers (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- May? That was sure a long time ago for you to be checking up on it now. But I'm not wanting to start a whole new issue here on Aussie's page so I'm going to just drop the manner. I'm sorry Aussie. - Jabrona - 04:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Check the archives. It was back in May, I believe. Kevinbrogers (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- How long ago was that because I sure don't see anything written above that had anything to do with you. - Jabrona - 04:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not stalking you. I just happened to be following this talk page after I had a previous discussion here. Kevinbrogers (talk) 04:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Are you stalking me now? Funny to find you ending up here. The blogs and Youtube videos were useful in a way but since those weren't good enough for you, I had to dig up other things. The press release info wasn't vague as it flat out referenced the broadcast cycle, and don't even get me started on the later press release. You still want to wrap your fingers around that one do you after I clearly got to the buttom of that like five times in the most obvious say possible that you shouldn't even have questioned it in the first place? Yeah, okay. - Jabrona - 04:16, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Aussie, just to let you know just in case you were confused, I meant I was going to drop the manner regarding what was said above between me and Kevin, not the issue I came to you with. I still want you to look that one over. - Jabrona - 21:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Guys, I've been busy over the past couple of days but I'll try to get to this as soon as possible. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
DVD Releases?
- This discussion has been moved to Talk:List of iCarly episodes#DVD Releases?. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Aren't the DVD releases the final say in how a page should be laid out? You told me that bunches of times. - Alec2011 (talk) 00:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Are you speaking about a specific page? --AussieLegend (talk) 02:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- So it's page specific? Also what's your thoughts on the whole iCarly episodes talk page? - Alec2011 (talk) 01:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Aussie was asking you what page you were referring to since you didn't say what is was. Plus, regarding DVD releases, it's clear to me they don't have a final say. For example, the "Meet the Browns" TV series DVD releases of each season is different compared to how it's layered on TV. For example:
- So it's page specific? Also what's your thoughts on the whole iCarly episodes talk page? - Alec2011 (talk) 01:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Season 1 - 10 episodes
- Season 2 - 26 episodes
- Season 3 - 42 episodes
- Season 4 - 54 episodes
- Season 5 - 8 episodes
- Season 1 DVD - Episodes 1-20
- Season 2 DVD - Episodes 21-40
- Season 3 DVD - Episodes 41-60
- Season 4 DVD - Episodes 61-80
- Each DVD release season contains the next set of 20 episodes each different from how they were broadcasted on TV. In this case apart from iCarly, exactly why it's like this is unexplainable. But it doesn't make sense to change it's episode list to go by the DVD layout here. The show has five broadcast seasons and that's what it's going by. - Jabrona - 07:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Normally we use DVD cover art in season article infoboxes, and colour the infobox and season list based on the DVD colours but, except for exceptional circumstances, episodes are ordered by original air date, not by DVD episode order. In most cases, DVD seasons do reflect the season breakdown of the episodes, but not always. For this reason, it's best to look at various reliable sources to see how seasons are split. In the case of iCarly, the evidence seems very heavily on the side of four seasons having aired until now, with a fifth season on its way. This evidence includes press releases from Nickleodeon that specifically state season 5 will be airing in 2012. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:19, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, but there's still the evidence that states that there was a split for broadcast purposes within the production of the second season. Aside from Dan's blog [1] that was like the most reasonable information on the issue for quite a while, I came across this Nathan Kress interview prior to Dan writing that blog regarding the second and third seasons: [2], also a May 2011 Nick press release statement linked from their website, also referenced it when talking about the release of the "i<3 iCarly Collection" [3]. They specifically state the set to have episodes from Seasons 2 and 3, and all the episodes they listed on there in the set are with the 2xx production coding. This is the later evidence I provided on the Talk Page I thought was very useful. Of course that never truly meant the seasons had to be referred to that way due to it's production cycle hence why certain web sources use them specifically Nick, the cast and crew of the show of course with the numbering, and when it came to the DVD release labels. Kevinbrogers tried to backhand the press reference due to the fact that a month later, they were talking about the DVD release of the broadcast Season 4 as "The Complete 3rd Season". But obviously that doesn't mean anything considering it's due to the production cycle, and it was clear this was the case when three months before in February, they were talking about the release of "Season 2: Volume 3" in April. Plus, I believe some of the "Season 3" episodes were already included in the "Season 2: Volume 2" DVD and in return, the Season 2 episode "iTwins" was placed on the Volume 3 DVD set. So these episodes were even like switched around for some reason through the volume releases. - Jabrona - 19:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- There certainly seems to be some confusion over this, the statement from Dan's blog, "I kinda don't even know myself. Well, I do and I don't" attests to that. The DVD set does only contain episodes with season 2 production codes, despite saying it contains episodes from seasons 2 & 3. However, all of this falls by the wayside when you take into account the more recent press release from Nickelodeon which says, in part, "Nickelodeon Greenlights Season Five of Blockbuster Hit "iCarly"" followed by "SANTA MONICA, Calif., April 14, 2011 -- Nickelodeon, the number-one entertainment brand for kids, has greenlit a fifth season of its mega-hit comedy series iCarly. The new season will roll out in 2012".[4] This is a straight forward statement from Nickelodeon and, based on this, our verifiability policy requires that we treat the new season as season 5, not 6. Since we can't have two season fives there really seems no alternative but to treat all episodes with 2xx production codes as season 2. This is supported by other reliable sources, such as TVGuide and the episode production codes. It is entirely possible that somebody decided to split season 2 into 2 seasons at sometime, but the season 5 press release suggests they've rethought this. As far as I can find, there never was a statement from Nickelodeon saying that the season was split so, other than a questionable claim from a blog, a non-authoritative comment from an actor in an interview and a press release that requires some form of WP:SYNTH to reach the s2/3 split conclusion, there's nothing that really stands up to WP:V that can be used to support the current listing at List of iCarly episodes. Please note, I don't watch this program, I'm only using available evidence to form my opinion on this. As a side note, it's not unusual for Nickelodeon to have seasons much longer than are normal with other netorks. The Penguins of Madagascar has aired 112 episodes to date, in only 2 seasons. The first season consisted of 48 episodes broadcast over 15 months, while season 2 has now been going for 22 months with 64 episodes having been aired. A 21 month, 45 episode second season for iCarly is really not unusual. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- The thing with Dan's blog I'm afraid was a misread. I don't know why people keep misreading this because I took the impression that he said this: "I kinda don't even know myself. Well, I do and I don't" due to him not knowing when the marketed third season would begin airing from the remaining 2xx production episodes, not that he didn't understand the issue. That makes sense, otherwise he wouldn't have flat-out confirmed that "We're in the second season now" (since the broadcasted Season 3 haven't aired yet), "the third season will begin airing in a few weeks (with a new opening sequence)". Apparently, it began sooner than expected since those few weeks turned into just 11 days since he wrote the blog entry on September 1, 2009 and "iThink They Kissed" aired on September 12. Most commonly, him working on a new intro for those episodes certainly expands more on this when it comes to the broadcast split. He surely wouldn't have had a good reason to make it unless he was being informed that there was a new season airing and there were like 20 episodes stored? Also, I find it strange how all of the "Season 3" episodes are directly coded after another (227-245) with the exception of one episode that's labeled 223. As for the special collection DVD set containing episodes with Season 2 production codes, yeah well they're all from the same production season so that's understandable. The coding obviously couldn't be changed. The press release statement regarding a Season 5 renewal was a month before the article on this DVD came out. Due to the production cycle, it's apparent Nick would still follow it, hence the DVD labels and calling the seasons by their production labels. They are associated with the show's production, so if they're referring to a fifth season renewal then they must mean the production season that would have the 5xx coding due to it's labeling. I currently wrote to a Nick press writer for a definitive answer last week on the issue, but haven't got one yet so I doubt I'd get something. But in the meantime, I do find Dan's blog (read carefully), Nathan's interview (he is associated with the production with those associated with the network), and even a Nick press release as proof that a broadcast split did happen. I don't care much for "The Penguins of Madagascar" since nothing seems to indicate a split for that show apart from what we have here with this show. Plus, it's a cartoon and Nick does run those a bit differently especially with how their segments are managed. - Jabrona - 07:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Given that everyone else seems to be "misreading" Dan's blog post and you are the only one who isn't, have you considered it might actually be you who is misreading it? Most of the conclusions that you've made in this post would constitute original research if we applied them to the article. Everything we add to Wikipedia must be verifiable and the only verifiable content we have in relation to the upcoming season is that it is season FIVE. That's authoritative, since it's from the network. What Nathan Kress said 3 years ago in relation to production aspects is not authoritative; he's an actor, not a member of the production staff. Dan is part of production, but he doesn't determine which season is which and the uncertainty in his blog post damages the credibility of what he says. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:11, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- I certainly did not misread Dan's blog entry and neither did a lot of other people who took it into account. As I've posted out here and on the talk page, why would Dan later say: "We're in the second season now, the third season will begin airing in a few weeks (with a new opening sequence)"? That doesn't sound like some one whose confused on the issue. In ties to how he started out the blog, to me it certainly sounds more like he didn't know when the broadcast third season was to air since he never gave out a direct air date. The only people that have overlooked that so far has been Kevin, Alec, and now you. Plus we have the fact Dan made a new intro for those specific episodes as a result of that, even one that was coded 223 when the others were directly 227-245. True, Nathan is just a cast member but I believe his word still takes into account of all of this considering he's associated with Dan and the staff members as well as the production. He only tell what he knows and he certainly knew something on behalf of this. Plus, we have a Nick press release referencing this, the broadcast cycle of course - after they had already written what Nick said regarding a fifth season renewal due to that production having a 5xx coding. - Jabrona - 08:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- "That doesn't sound like some one whose confused on the issue" - If you look at only that statement it doesn't but hwen you look at the whole post:
- "Believe it or not, I kinda don't even know myself. Well, I do and I don't." - That clearly indicates that he's not really sure. He goes on to acknowledge that the boundaries between seasons aren't very clear, which is a bit peculiar because the production order makes that very clear.
- "I guess what the network is calling the "3rd" season starts airing a few weeks from now" - As you've acknowledged above, what you call the third season started airing only 11 days later, which begs the question, whereis the source confirming that "iThink They Kissed" is part of the third season? The blog says "The 3rd season starts airing in a few weeks (with a new opening sequence)", which I assume is what people have used to determine this, but application of that is, at best, WP:SYNTH since there's no direct source.
- As I've said, everything added to Wikipedia must be verifiable. Sources must directly support claims being made. We can't assume. We now have an authoritative source that says season five will be airing in 2012. That means the season before it must be season four, not five as it is currently listed, as there simply can't be two fifth seasons. The logical conclusion is that all of the episodes witha 2xx production code must be part of season 2. Unless you can find sources that directly support a season 2 split into s & 3, that's how we have to treat the list. Of course, if you can find sources, then we have a whole host of other problems. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Again, why are we trying to make Dan's blog sound full of itself just to discard the fact that there was a split in the second season production? Clearly he wasn't really sure when the new airing season according to the network was going to air. The boundaries of the seasons are clear considering "iThink They Kissed" had the new opening sequence that the following 19 episodes ended up having. It's clear that was to be the start of the new airing season. It's makes me wonder why people question the obvious. Dan apparently thought it would have started later than expected. How many times did we have episode airings found out within days of their airing? "iBalls" was put on blast after "iStill Psycho" aired being put out to air that following week, for example. There certainly can be two fifth seasons: a broadcast marketed one and the production one with the 5xx coding one. We don't determine this. Just because codes say one thing doesn't mean that's how we have to follow it. We're just simply following what was put out people are trying to ignore here. If they put out a broadcast split and we have the show's creator, a cast member, and one of the network's press release saying so then I think that's enough to not to question it. Especially the Nick press release on the "i<3 iCarly Collection", stating that Season 2 and Season 3 episodes were on there, and all of the episodes listed having to have the 2xx coding, indicating a split did happen to result in two broadcasts seasons. There's no getting around that. I don't know what other useful sources you want but apparently I must look for them, though I think I found all I needed apart from Dan's blog. So by accepting the split, sources indicating about a Season 5 in 2012 (which has been out since April 2011 so it's not brand new) is understandable considering that season is going to have a 5xx number coding in it's production. And seeing how the DVD labels are, it's no surprise Nick would call that production season Season 5 since that's technically what it is due to it's production cycle. - Jabrona - 09:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- "had the new opening sequence that the following 19 episodes ended up having. It's clear that was to be the start of the new airing season" - No, it's not clear. It's an assumption and therefore original research unless a citation can be provided to prove it.
- "If they put out a broadcast split and we have the show's creator, a cast member, and one of the network's press release saying so then I think that's enough to not to question it." - The show's creator admitted he wasn't sure, the actor isn't part of the production team so he's not authoritative and there is no press release that directly supports the episode being part of season 3. The press release is about DVDs. There's no evidence that "they put out a broadcast split". --AussieLegend (talk) 09:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Again, why are we trying to make Dan's blog sound full of itself just to discard the fact that there was a split in the second season production? Clearly he wasn't really sure when the new airing season according to the network was going to air. The boundaries of the seasons are clear considering "iThink They Kissed" had the new opening sequence that the following 19 episodes ended up having. It's clear that was to be the start of the new airing season. It's makes me wonder why people question the obvious. Dan apparently thought it would have started later than expected. How many times did we have episode airings found out within days of their airing? "iBalls" was put on blast after "iStill Psycho" aired being put out to air that following week, for example. There certainly can be two fifth seasons: a broadcast marketed one and the production one with the 5xx coding one. We don't determine this. Just because codes say one thing doesn't mean that's how we have to follow it. We're just simply following what was put out people are trying to ignore here. If they put out a broadcast split and we have the show's creator, a cast member, and one of the network's press release saying so then I think that's enough to not to question it. Especially the Nick press release on the "i<3 iCarly Collection", stating that Season 2 and Season 3 episodes were on there, and all of the episodes listed having to have the 2xx coding, indicating a split did happen to result in two broadcasts seasons. There's no getting around that. I don't know what other useful sources you want but apparently I must look for them, though I think I found all I needed apart from Dan's blog. So by accepting the split, sources indicating about a Season 5 in 2012 (which has been out since April 2011 so it's not brand new) is understandable considering that season is going to have a 5xx number coding in it's production. And seeing how the DVD labels are, it's no surprise Nick would call that production season Season 5 since that's technically what it is due to it's production cycle. - Jabrona - 09:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- I certainly did not misread Dan's blog entry and neither did a lot of other people who took it into account. As I've posted out here and on the talk page, why would Dan later say: "We're in the second season now, the third season will begin airing in a few weeks (with a new opening sequence)"? That doesn't sound like some one whose confused on the issue. In ties to how he started out the blog, to me it certainly sounds more like he didn't know when the broadcast third season was to air since he never gave out a direct air date. The only people that have overlooked that so far has been Kevin, Alec, and now you. Plus we have the fact Dan made a new intro for those specific episodes as a result of that, even one that was coded 223 when the others were directly 227-245. True, Nathan is just a cast member but I believe his word still takes into account of all of this considering he's associated with Dan and the staff members as well as the production. He only tell what he knows and he certainly knew something on behalf of this. Plus, we have a Nick press release referencing this, the broadcast cycle of course - after they had already written what Nick said regarding a fifth season renewal due to that production having a 5xx coding. - Jabrona - 08:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Given that everyone else seems to be "misreading" Dan's blog post and you are the only one who isn't, have you considered it might actually be you who is misreading it? Most of the conclusions that you've made in this post would constitute original research if we applied them to the article. Everything we add to Wikipedia must be verifiable and the only verifiable content we have in relation to the upcoming season is that it is season FIVE. That's authoritative, since it's from the network. What Nathan Kress said 3 years ago in relation to production aspects is not authoritative; he's an actor, not a member of the production staff. Dan is part of production, but he doesn't determine which season is which and the uncertainty in his blog post damages the credibility of what he says. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:11, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- The thing with Dan's blog I'm afraid was a misread. I don't know why people keep misreading this because I took the impression that he said this: "I kinda don't even know myself. Well, I do and I don't" due to him not knowing when the marketed third season would begin airing from the remaining 2xx production episodes, not that he didn't understand the issue. That makes sense, otherwise he wouldn't have flat-out confirmed that "We're in the second season now" (since the broadcasted Season 3 haven't aired yet), "the third season will begin airing in a few weeks (with a new opening sequence)". Apparently, it began sooner than expected since those few weeks turned into just 11 days since he wrote the blog entry on September 1, 2009 and "iThink They Kissed" aired on September 12. Most commonly, him working on a new intro for those episodes certainly expands more on this when it comes to the broadcast split. He surely wouldn't have had a good reason to make it unless he was being informed that there was a new season airing and there were like 20 episodes stored? Also, I find it strange how all of the "Season 3" episodes are directly coded after another (227-245) with the exception of one episode that's labeled 223. As for the special collection DVD set containing episodes with Season 2 production codes, yeah well they're all from the same production season so that's understandable. The coding obviously couldn't be changed. The press release statement regarding a Season 5 renewal was a month before the article on this DVD came out. Due to the production cycle, it's apparent Nick would still follow it, hence the DVD labels and calling the seasons by their production labels. They are associated with the show's production, so if they're referring to a fifth season renewal then they must mean the production season that would have the 5xx coding due to it's labeling. I currently wrote to a Nick press writer for a definitive answer last week on the issue, but haven't got one yet so I doubt I'd get something. But in the meantime, I do find Dan's blog (read carefully), Nathan's interview (he is associated with the production with those associated with the network), and even a Nick press release as proof that a broadcast split did happen. I don't care much for "The Penguins of Madagascar" since nothing seems to indicate a split for that show apart from what we have here with this show. Plus, it's a cartoon and Nick does run those a bit differently especially with how their segments are managed. - Jabrona - 07:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- There certainly seems to be some confusion over this, the statement from Dan's blog, "I kinda don't even know myself. Well, I do and I don't" attests to that. The DVD set does only contain episodes with season 2 production codes, despite saying it contains episodes from seasons 2 & 3. However, all of this falls by the wayside when you take into account the more recent press release from Nickelodeon which says, in part, "Nickelodeon Greenlights Season Five of Blockbuster Hit "iCarly"" followed by "SANTA MONICA, Calif., April 14, 2011 -- Nickelodeon, the number-one entertainment brand for kids, has greenlit a fifth season of its mega-hit comedy series iCarly. The new season will roll out in 2012".[4] This is a straight forward statement from Nickelodeon and, based on this, our verifiability policy requires that we treat the new season as season 5, not 6. Since we can't have two season fives there really seems no alternative but to treat all episodes with 2xx production codes as season 2. This is supported by other reliable sources, such as TVGuide and the episode production codes. It is entirely possible that somebody decided to split season 2 into 2 seasons at sometime, but the season 5 press release suggests they've rethought this. As far as I can find, there never was a statement from Nickelodeon saying that the season was split so, other than a questionable claim from a blog, a non-authoritative comment from an actor in an interview and a press release that requires some form of WP:SYNTH to reach the s2/3 split conclusion, there's nothing that really stands up to WP:V that can be used to support the current listing at List of iCarly episodes. Please note, I don't watch this program, I'm only using available evidence to form my opinion on this. As a side note, it's not unusual for Nickelodeon to have seasons much longer than are normal with other netorks. The Penguins of Madagascar has aired 112 episodes to date, in only 2 seasons. The first season consisted of 48 episodes broadcast over 15 months, while season 2 has now been going for 22 months with 64 episodes having been aired. A 21 month, 45 episode second season for iCarly is really not unusual. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, but there's still the evidence that states that there was a split for broadcast purposes within the production of the second season. Aside from Dan's blog [1] that was like the most reasonable information on the issue for quite a while, I came across this Nathan Kress interview prior to Dan writing that blog regarding the second and third seasons: [2], also a May 2011 Nick press release statement linked from their website, also referenced it when talking about the release of the "i<3 iCarly Collection" [3]. They specifically state the set to have episodes from Seasons 2 and 3, and all the episodes they listed on there in the set are with the 2xx production coding. This is the later evidence I provided on the Talk Page I thought was very useful. Of course that never truly meant the seasons had to be referred to that way due to it's production cycle hence why certain web sources use them specifically Nick, the cast and crew of the show of course with the numbering, and when it came to the DVD release labels. Kevinbrogers tried to backhand the press reference due to the fact that a month later, they were talking about the DVD release of the broadcast Season 4 as "The Complete 3rd Season". But obviously that doesn't mean anything considering it's due to the production cycle, and it was clear this was the case when three months before in February, they were talking about the release of "Season 2: Volume 3" in April. Plus, I believe some of the "Season 3" episodes were already included in the "Season 2: Volume 2" DVD and in return, the Season 2 episode "iTwins" was placed on the Volume 3 DVD set. So these episodes were even like switched around for some reason through the volume releases. - Jabrona - 19:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Normally we use DVD cover art in season article infoboxes, and colour the infobox and season list based on the DVD colours but, except for exceptional circumstances, episodes are ordered by original air date, not by DVD episode order. In most cases, DVD seasons do reflect the season breakdown of the episodes, but not always. For this reason, it's best to look at various reliable sources to see how seasons are split. In the case of iCarly, the evidence seems very heavily on the side of four seasons having aired until now, with a fifth season on its way. This evidence includes press releases from Nickleodeon that specifically state season 5 will be airing in 2012. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:19, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion has been moved to Talk:List of iCarly episodes#DVD Releases?. Further comments should be made there. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Next Great Baker
I must apologize for my error in the vandalism message I sent to an IP address. I presumed that their edit was vandalism because it is known for some vandals to have made slight changes that are untrue. I am sorry for this inconvenience.--GouramiWatcher (Gulp) 15:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Rocket City Rednecks
I assume your reversal of my edits to Rocket City Rednecks was because I copied the summary info from the MSN TV site. I thought if I referenced the site, like I did, it was legal. I'm not arguing I just want to know for future reference because I'm sure I've seen another editor on a different TV shows page do the opposite. They removed a long summary written by someone else and replaced it with the short MSN summary. Psion20 (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Content should not be copied and pasted from other websites. All content at Wikipedia, except for quotations where appropriate attribution is provided, should be editors own work. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
The Big Bang Theory
Thank you for educating me on an obscure bit of Manual of Style. Bazinga! Paul, in Saudi (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
iCarly RfC
Thank you for weeding out that RfC. Thing is/was getting silly. -Fumitol|talk|cont 05:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you again. Sorry if I was getting too far into the conversation. - Alec2011 (talk) 22:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for your contributions on English Wikipedia that have helped improve Australian related content. :D It is very much appreciated. :D Enjoy your Australia Day and please continue your good work! LauraHale (talk) 08:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC) |
Top Gear Series 18 epsiode 1 guest(s) revert edit
Hi AussieLegend, In relation to you revering my edit in relation to the Guest star for the new top gear series 18. I can agree with you for TV.com but what about the reference for topgear.com (http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/top-gear-series-18-episode-1-rehearsals-2012-1-27) this page is clearly talking about the new series 18 episode 1 and clearly shows will.i.am in a picture standing on the top gear track with the Stig which clearly shows that will.i.am will be the guest for the first episode of the new series. Is this not a credible source? Jonny109 (talk) 14:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
- Oops. My mistake. I've partially restored the edit, leaving out tv.com. Sorry about that. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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Castle Episodes
I am wondering as to why I can not "split" the episode list. Every show that I see has this type of Set- up. And I am doing it by the book as to what Wikipedia and HTML likes. So Please Help me understand why you are erasing my work. All that I am doing is trying to keep the episode list more organized. It makes it easier to go around and only has the information that is need. Episode list should only need the episode. Season Pages, in example Grey's Anatomy Season 1, are they type of pages that need to description of the episodes. So Please contact me back and explain to me what I am doing wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerems45 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- As I've indicated on your talk page twice now, there is a standing consensus not to split the article. Accordingly, no split should occur until it is discussed on the article's talk page and a new consensus is reached. You can view the discussion here. The splitting has not been carried out in accordance with WP:SPLIT and the article is at the wrong location. There is no point splitting an episode list unless you add significant extra content, as recommended by MOS:TV. Simply adding cast information is not sufficient. Splitting one article into multiple articles without good reason makes navigation more difficult for readers and there is no justification for series with a single season, as was the case when you split List of Ringer episodes. WP:SIZERULE recommends that consideration be given to splitting articles once an article reaches 50-60kB of readable prose. Even using a very loose interpretation of the definition of readable prose, the amount of readable prose in the current version of the article is only 24kB,[9], which is well below WP:SIZERULE's upper limit of the "Length alone does not justify division" category. Splitting is typically reserved for shows with several seasons, making the "List of" article overly long, and that just isn't the case here, even after three full seasons. Based on article growth to date and current size I don't see a need until after season seven, unless substantial season specific content can be added to the season articles. Without that extra content, splitting forces the reader to look in multiple articles for the most basic episode content that is currently all available in a single article. It makes far more sense to include everything in one page if the only substantial content is the episode tables. The cast and characters information can be included here if necessary, although that should be limited to seasonal cast changes, since the cast is already handled in the main article. Managing multiple articles is almost always more unwieldy than managing one so a split should only occur when necessary. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
West Wing page titles
Can West Wing page titles at least be redirects to the season pages? E.g., 17 People --> The West Wing (season 2)#17 People or something. (It'd also be nice to have the page history below the redirect, but I'm less concerned about that....) --MZMcBride (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- Do you mean as I've been doing?[10][11][12][13] Only the first group of articles were prodded. I've been redirecting the others. The reality though is that the redirects aren't needed. Most TV series don't have redirects for every, or even most episodes. some have none at all. Episodes can be located from the main series article or the main list. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Microsoft
If I see the citation needed template, then I put on the refimprove template.WBJB003 | talk 20:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
- That's pointless duplication. Only one template is needed. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Reverting my edits
Can you continuing doing it please? I want to get 2,000 edits. I'll give you a branstar. I promise.User:WBJB003|WBJB003]] | talk 15:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)