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::::::You've been topic banned. I strongly, strongly recommend you not mention the events, the article or anything concerning it, even in reply to me or anyone else. Not here, not at ANI, nowhere at en.wikipedia.org. I really don't want to see you blocked, but that is what will happen if you don't drop it. The spotlight is already on you. Now is good time to back away from it. I know it is tough, and I recommend logging off for a bit and reading some news, play a game or something. But you need to stop instantly. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2¢</b>]] 01:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC) |
::::::You've been topic banned. I strongly, strongly recommend you not mention the events, the article or anything concerning it, even in reply to me or anyone else. Not here, not at ANI, nowhere at en.wikipedia.org. I really don't want to see you blocked, but that is what will happen if you don't drop it. The spotlight is already on you. Now is good time to back away from it. I know it is tough, and I recommend logging off for a bit and reading some news, play a game or something. But you need to stop instantly. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2¢</b>]] 01:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::It's fine, this will likely be my last edit to Wikipedia. The definition of insanity comes to mind, so I think I'm out. Appreciate it though and good luck.--[[User:ArmyLine|ArmyLine]] ([[User talk:ArmyLine#top|talk]]) 04:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC) |
:::::::It's fine, this will likely be my last edit to Wikipedia. The definition of insanity comes to mind, so I think I'm out. Appreciate it though and good luck.--[[User:ArmyLine|ArmyLine]] ([[User talk:ArmyLine#top|talk]]) 04:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Thanks,--[[User:The Devil's Advocate|<font color="vermillion">'''The Devil's Advocate'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:The Devil's Advocate|<font color="burntorange">tlk.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Devil's Advocate|<font color="red">cntrb.</font>]]</sub> 00:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Anita Sarkeesian. Thank you. Bbb23 (talk) 18:42, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- My citations were poorly referenced? I investigated the claims myself. ArmyLine (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- Both were blogs, which are not reliable sources.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.- Referring specifically to Gamergate controversy and related articles and edits, but note this this alert applies to all edits related to the area identified above. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
WProject Feminism
Stop with the unfounded accusations against WikiProject Feminism. If you continue this uncivil disruption, you risk being blocked. Dreadstar ☥ 03:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- What unfounded accusations have I made?--ArmyLine (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I believe this fits the bill. And here is why. Dreadstar ☥ 03:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I was mistaken about what the edit totals meant. However, I still do not think that it is appropriate for a feminist group, some of whose members are demonstratively aligned with one side of this controversy, to have this as a "mid-importance" article. If you think that an article about a movement which has antifeminist elements can be fairly edited by a feminist group, then we can agree to disagree on that account.--ArmyLine (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- So, we'll be fine then, glad your assumption has been corrected. As for the latter, I go by Wikipedia Policy and not groupthink. Dreadstar ☥ 03:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I never accused you of going by groupthink. If people who happen to be feminists want to edit the article and come by it organically - and the law of averages says some will - so much the better. I just don't think this is a good article for WikiProject Feminism because of how involved the majority of feminists are on one side of this discussion. I don't think either the article or WikiProject Feminism has profited from this so far.--ArmyLine (talk) 03:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Not me, I meant that others may operate by groupthink, that I go by policy rather than judging a group. AFAICT, WP:Feminism has had very little input into that article, I think one editor from there has contributed. It's insufficient evidence to say they have, quite the opposite in fact. And there would be nothing wrong with it if they did have a lot of input, as long as policy is followed. Dreadstar ☥ 04:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- My suspicions stemmed from the fact that a lot of the editors seem to have taken unsolicited pot-shots at "gaters" which, regardless of justification, seemed like a similar narrative from many independent contributors. My initial suspicions against WPF were mistaken, but I do not think it is acceptable that frequent editors of an article covering divisive issue are openly attacking one of the involved parties seem to have gone largely unreprimanded.--ArmyLine (talk) 04:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think there should be attacks from any 'side' of the dispute, I hope you'll assist in maintaining civility and focus on the editorial content of the article and not on other editors when posting to the article's talk page; discussions on editor behavior should follow WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE, and not ever take place on an article talk page. 17:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- My suspicions stemmed from the fact that a lot of the editors seem to have taken unsolicited pot-shots at "gaters" which, regardless of justification, seemed like a similar narrative from many independent contributors. My initial suspicions against WPF were mistaken, but I do not think it is acceptable that frequent editors of an article covering divisive issue are openly attacking one of the involved parties seem to have gone largely unreprimanded.--ArmyLine (talk) 04:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Not me, I meant that others may operate by groupthink, that I go by policy rather than judging a group. AFAICT, WP:Feminism has had very little input into that article, I think one editor from there has contributed. It's insufficient evidence to say they have, quite the opposite in fact. And there would be nothing wrong with it if they did have a lot of input, as long as policy is followed. Dreadstar ☥ 04:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I never accused you of going by groupthink. If people who happen to be feminists want to edit the article and come by it organically - and the law of averages says some will - so much the better. I just don't think this is a good article for WikiProject Feminism because of how involved the majority of feminists are on one side of this discussion. I don't think either the article or WikiProject Feminism has profited from this so far.--ArmyLine (talk) 03:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- So, we'll be fine then, glad your assumption has been corrected. As for the latter, I go by Wikipedia Policy and not groupthink. Dreadstar ☥ 03:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I was mistaken about what the edit totals meant. However, I still do not think that it is appropriate for a feminist group, some of whose members are demonstratively aligned with one side of this controversy, to have this as a "mid-importance" article. If you think that an article about a movement which has antifeminist elements can be fairly edited by a feminist group, then we can agree to disagree on that account.--ArmyLine (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I believe this fits the bill. And here is why. Dreadstar ☥ 03:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have found out that over 20% of all edits to the Gamergate page come from WikiProject:Feminism talk page participants. I will not expound on these findings any further and include them in the interest of transparency.--ArmyLine (talk) 16:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Again, your assumptions and your interpretation of data are faulty; there are only two editors on your list who are members of WP:Feminism; one of them has 4 edits to Gamergate conspiracy, the other has one. This is in no way 20%. And again, even if it were 20%, there would be no problem with that - the issue would be one of "are the edits per WP:POLICY", not a numbers game. Dreadstar ☥ 17:28, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Additionally, the editor with the majority of edits to GG in your list - who is not a member of WP:Feminism - made the last of their two edits to Talk:WP:Feminism over a year ago, long before the GG article ever even existed. Just because someone edited a project page (e.g. you or me, in this case) doesn't mean they are members of that project. Dreadstar ☥ 17:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Running around quoting edit statistics is a faulty methodology in this case, I'd strongly recommend you stop doing it before it becomes disruptive. And in light of your comments on other editor's talk pages, like the below interaction, you need to work on your approach with other editors. And you need to review the "Guidance for editors' section of Discretionary sanctions to assure you are following best practices. This is something a lot of editors on GG need to do actually... Dreadstar ☥ 21:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Dreadstar, I think you're taking the wrong approach with this user, and when you threaten to block them in your first post to them without noticing that they are particular new to how things work here, you effectively bite them and fail to assume good faith. Sure, that might be a good way to make sure that they get the point, but I advocate a more subtle style. This editor ultimately noticed something on a WikiProject edit count, and thought it to be wrong, so they asked for clarification on the aforementioned wikiproject talk page. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. You're supposed to ask for help/clarification if you don't understand something. In fact, I would be a bit concerned that people didn't ask for clarification, and just went on their way without a care in the world. (Though this is heavily implied by WP:IAR, besides the point.) In particular, the way that they informed the users that they should voluntarily stop editing the article in question is not something they need to 'work on'. No swearing, no blunt language even, no misunderstandings, just a request that the editor is free to deny. You're an administrator and when you threaten to block someone on first offense of a good faith action, that ruffles some things for editors; including myself. Though I will add that clarifying what Wikiproject Feminism's edits actually mean is appreciated and something that has become a strawman for Pro-GG to attack. Tutelary (talk) 23:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't tell you to take it to ANI because I thought it would boomerang, I just honestly didn't have the time or energy to look into it myself. And bug off Tutelary, your advice is terrible, my strict version was the way to go with this. Dreadstar ☥ 02:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Re: "Re: Your edits to the "Gamergate controversy""
Leave me alone.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. I will not make any more comments on your talk page.--ArmyLine (talk) 21:36, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Request for Arbitration declined
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For the Arbitration Committee, → Call me Hahc21 21:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
GG / Tarc
Hey. Could you please chime in on Tarc's talk page and request for him to be more civil. He's been consistently aggressive and I would like for him to see it's a real problem, not just one person being overly sensitive. Willhesucceed (talk) 08:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'll look into what Tarc has written. In the meantime, you might want to notify one of the admins. It seems DreadStar is curating the talk page right now, so Dreadstar's talk page might be a good place to voice your concerns. I'd advise you compile specific examples of Tarc's disruptive behavior, to save effort on Dreadstar's part. If they are more severe as when I voiced unfounded suspicions about WP:F, then it is not unreasonable to expect equivocal or greater action by Dreadstar.--ArmyLine (talk) 00:48, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Update: You're right, it's worse than I expected. I've posted my opinion on Tarc's behavior, though it seems that outside of admin sanctions there's little that can be done.--ArmyLine (talk) 02:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm deliberately putting this here rather than creating a new section. It would be better if you didn't give the opposition any more 'evidence' or reason to topic ban you. Titanium Dragon made this unfortunate mistake which you're making here. Tutelary (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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Notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Nip Gamergate in the bud. Thank you. —Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- And here is my response.--ArmyLine (talk) 20:48, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Request for mediation rejected
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Red to Blue
Ya should put something into your userpage, so it'll change your moniker to blue. It's my theory that blue names, have an easier time on the 'pedia then red names. See Redshirt (character) article. GoodDay (talk) 15:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Topic ban
As a result of your inappropriate behavior at ANI, you are topic-banned for one year from edits and discussion regarding GamerGate, broadly construed, under BLP discretionary sanctions. Acroterion (talk) 00:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, but you'll need to ban User:TaraInDC for making actual libelous statements against Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend.--ArmyLine (talk) 00:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- And you are already violating you topic ban at ANI. Stop now, or you will be blocked. Acroterion (talk) 00:32, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- So should I notify him or will this be dealt with? It's not difficult.--ArmyLine (talk) 00:33, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Here is the problematic section, FYI.--ArmyLine (talk) 00:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Your observations on the subject's sexual behavior are far in excess of Tara's comment, unhelpful though it was. That comment was the proximate cause of your topic ban. Acroterion (talk) 01:14, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Simple comments about cheating are not about "sexual behavior", but it's fine, the truth finds a way.--ArmyLine (talk) 01:17, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- The "cheating" comments were due to libel being posted on the front page, but I'm not the one to discuss this with anymore.--ArmyLine (talk) 01:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- You've been topic banned. I strongly, strongly recommend you not mention the events, the article or anything concerning it, even in reply to me or anyone else. Not here, not at ANI, nowhere at en.wikipedia.org. I really don't want to see you blocked, but that is what will happen if you don't drop it. The spotlight is already on you. Now is good time to back away from it. I know it is tough, and I recommend logging off for a bit and reading some news, play a game or something. But you need to stop instantly. Dennis - 2¢ 01:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Your observations on the subject's sexual behavior are far in excess of Tara's comment, unhelpful though it was. That comment was the proximate cause of your topic ban. Acroterion (talk) 01:14, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- And you are already violating you topic ban at ANI. Stop now, or you will be blocked. Acroterion (talk) 00:32, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
ArbCom notification
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#GamerGate and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
Thanks,--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 00:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC)