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It may not actually be part of the Wikipedia manual of style, but in my experience, it’s far more common to find articles here in which sentences are not started with “but”. It sounds too informal to me, or more like journalism, rather than a historical record. Wikipedia falls into the latter category, I would say. I’ve undone your reversion, and feel it should be left as it is for now. [[User:TrottieTrue|TrottieTrue]] ([[User talk:TrottieTrue|talk]]) 12:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC) |
It may not actually be part of the Wikipedia manual of style, but in my experience, it’s far more common to find articles here in which sentences are not started with “but”. It sounds too informal to me, or more like journalism, rather than a historical record. Wikipedia falls into the latter category, I would say. I’ve undone your reversion, and feel it should be left as it is for now. [[User:TrottieTrue|TrottieTrue]] ([[User talk:TrottieTrue|talk]]) 12:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC) |
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: You're needlessly insisting on a fancy over plain (not "informal") language. "There is a widespread belief—one with no historical or grammatical foundation—that it is an error to begin a sentence with a conjunction such as 'and', 'but', or 'so'. In fact, a substantial percentage (often as many as 10 percent) of the sentences in first-rate writing begin with conjunctions. It has been so for centuries, and even the most conservative grammarians have followed this practice" ([[Common_English_usage_misconceptions#Grammar]]). [[User:Wukai|Wukai]] ([[User talk:Wukai|talk]]) 02:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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You're still editing from User:Wukai but you say you can't edit from that account
That's confusing and might not be a good idea.. Doug Weller talk 13:37, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- I said I couldn't edit from that account on my laptop or desktop. I still can on mobile devices. Eventually I'll probably stop using it, but it has the watchlist I've compiled over the last decade, upon which I rely.AlsoWukai (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
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Get an RFC going in the appropriate place, to settle which to use in the governors & lieutenant governors bio articles, concern capitalizing or not capitalizing. PS: See message on your other registered account. GoodDay (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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I really appreciate it. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Marianne Williamson; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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Could you clarify how this qualifies as a copy edit? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 02:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Edit warring on Heidi Heitkamp
Hello, AlsoWukai,
Please stop warring on this BLP. As I advised you, MOS:JOBTITLES requires lower case on this title. "Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, grand duke, lord mayor, pope, bishop, abbot, chief financial officer, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically." This rule has also been applied throughout the article.
MOS:CAPS also says: "Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence."
But since you disagreed, I replaced it with "congressman" capitalized and, for some reason, you still reverted. So I'll use the abbreviation of "Rep." which refers to the title and is also the beginning of the sentence. If you still disagree, please discuss your concerns on the BLP's talk page. You may also ping me. But this slow-moving edit-warring without explaining your position isn't accomplishing anything. Thanks. X4n6 (talk) 05:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Edit on Jim Inhofe
Hi, AlsoWukai, Would you please explain the reason you remove this paragraph, since the Content with valid source. AbDaryaee (talk) 21:12, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Help with a word
Hi AlsoWukai, I wonder if you would mind looking in on Multihull#Four and five hulls where another editor and I disagree on whether a word is sufficiently widely understood for use in Wikipedia. We both agree that the word is correctly used in the sentence. I'll leave it to you to find any word that you decide is amiss. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 13:39, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi AlsoWukai,
You reverted my edit. Please, see the article's talk. Vikom talk 03:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Your ce on misophonia
Thanks for your ce on my edit. There are a couple of points I think may be relevant to the edits.
- In the Etymology section, the translation "strong dislike (hate) of sound" was removed & "hate of sound" was left in. I had included the former since that was the (very deliberate/specific) translation given by the Doctors who coined the term in their explanation of it:
- "The task was to find a term which would be sufficiently general to encompass these various emotions, while specific enough to describe the situation in an adequate manner. To describe this situation we decided to use dislike of, or aversion to sound. After reviewing various Latin and Greek prefixes, and consulting with a distinguished expert in classic Greek and Latin from Cambridge University UK, we selected the term “misophonia” which translates into “ strong dislike (hate) of sound”. As such it is close to the patients’ description of their symptoms and can encompass a variety of negative emotions generated by the sounds in question."
- So, perhaps that should be left in and the other removed?
- The linked terms "hyperacusis" and "phonophobia" were already linked earlier in the article.
- "sound-rage" was changed to "sound rage". The former is the term used in the source as well as in the infobox.
LMK what you think.Yaakovaryeh (talk) 05:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- I reverted the last two edits you mention. But "misophonia" does literally mean hate of sound, even if the term applies to mere strong dislike. AlsoWukai (talk) 23:35, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Revert
Without any attempt to engage with the changes that had been proposed on the Talk page over three weeks ago, or improve what was there, you reverted.
Do you consider this a good way to encourage editors to improve an article?
Which part of the following aim do you disagree with? Or do you contend that the aim wasn't achieved?
"Aim was to improve legibility and accessibility whilst removing jargon, non-essential information and the barely comprehensible quote in the old second paragraph. Also to refer to scientific conclusions associated with Dunning-Kruger without actually declaring them as such. The style guide is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section" WykiP (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Presumptuous Edit?
Please refer to the discussion at: User_talk:NorthBySouthBaranof#Reference_Citation_to_Ilhan_Omar_Statement. Thanks in advance, Coutin-Kelikaku (talk) 11:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC) בס״ד
edit about comma
You undid the change I made to correct the Justin Amash quote from the idiot president. It said "such and such is a loser", -- comma following. Then I changed it to the comma inside the quotes. In mainstream publications, the comma is always inside the quotes. Usually dummies put the comma after the quote, like they often capitalize common nouns (as Trump does). You sound like a Trumper if you like bad grammar. It should be thusly: "Justin Amash is a loser," said Trump. Any major publication would quote it that way. If wikistyle is such as "loser", comma following it is incorrect.Jazzbox (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia style differs from mainstream publications' style on this matter. Sorry you don't like it but that's how it is.AlsoWukai (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Wow, I hafta say I found this a surprisingly pointed, personal attack on somebody over something as subjective (and honestly, in the big scheme of things, inconsequential) as a "misplaced" comma. While yes, it is most often seen as being placed inside the quotations, grammatically there are arguments for both keeping the comma within and without the quotations. A cursory Google search bears this out - therefore, I would suggest, Jazzbox, that before you go around firing off your ad hominem rocket launcher, you might want to do a bit of research. I mean, being informed is what Wikipedia is all about, right? BeepThisIsNotaTest (talk) 18:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Wow, I hafta say I found this a surprisingly pointed, personal attack on somebody over something as subjective (and honestly, in the big scheme of things, inconsequential) as a "misplaced" comma. While yes, it is most often seen as being placed inside the quotations, grammatically there are arguments for both keeping the comma within and without the quotations. A cursory Google search bears this out - therefore, I would suggest, Jazzbox, that before you go around firing off your ad hominem rocket launcher, you might want to do a bit of research. I mean, being informed is what Wikipedia is all about, right? BeepThisIsNotaTest (talk) 18:06, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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Grammar
Hello there! With all due respect, those commas indeed are necessary. When a sentence begins with a prepositional phrase, that prepositional phrase needs to be followed by a comma. I'll go ahead and fix Bennie Thompson for you. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Keep up the good work! GrammarDamner (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it seems this user misunderstands the use of commas. TrottieTrue (talk) 14:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
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Question about your "thank you" for edit
I've only made a few edits on Wikipedia and I've never utilized the "Talk" part of Wikipedia before now so forgive me if this is the wrong place in which to do this (and also for accidentally double-posting my response in one of your other "Talk" pages - I scrambled around trying to fix it, to no avail), but I was curious about the notification I received stating that you had "thanked" me for the edit (fixing a typo) I made to Eric Greitens' Wikipedia page. I've never seen that before and wanted to know more about it - like how did you know I'd made the edit (given the relative size of the edit's overall impact haha) and what prompted you to thank me for such an especially unglamorous edit? I know it might sound like a weird question (looking a gift notification in the mouth haha) but I guess I'm intrigued because I've made less than a dozen small edits like that and had no idea anyone could even notice, let alone that someone actually did. So don't get me wrong, I appreciate the gesture - I'd just like to learn more about it and, I guess, more about the culture of Wikipedia in turn (as I've yet to really participate in that aspect of the community). To be honest, I've probably avoided it thus far because of previous negative experiences with forums (mostly way back in the day) - in fact, I'm probably breaking some number of rules for Wikipedia talk pages right now (or, at the very least, committing a devastating faux pas). So again, let me apologize in advance if this is me riding a winged-horse named Taboo off into an active volcano with my pud out - I would appreciate your taking it easy on me if that is, indeed, the case. BeepThisIsNotaTest (talk) 18:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- If you click on "View history" at Eric Greitens or any other page, a list of every edit will appear, along with the option to compare any two versions. If you compare successive versions, the option to thank the user who made the edit will appear. I had copy-edited the page and failed to notice the mistake you fixed, so I thanked you for it! Welcome to Wikipedia. AlsoWukai (talk) 23:08, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Fred Rogers
I just reverted your punctuation change to this article. As my edit summary states from the similar edits you made to the article from your other account, the punctuation was discussed on its first GAC. I also find it very interesting that you only made the edit once, when there are at least dozens of the original use. Please stop, or it'll be reported as an edit war. If you disagree with the consensus, please take it to the article's talk page, as per WP:CONS. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- The edit you repeatedly reverted was one in which I changed "Rogers'#" to "Rogers's". I still believe the "s" was an improvement on the "#", and I'm not going to back down from that position. AlsoWukai (talk) 04:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- You're entitled to your position, since both uses are grammatically correct, but as I said, the consensus is "Rogers'#". I request that you respect that, as per the also above-mentioned policy. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:37, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Eric Greitens Page
Please explain your reverted sourced material on Eric Greitens' page. It seems to be in direct violation of both WP:AVOIDVICTIM directly and WP:WELLKNOWN indirectly.
The woman in question did not want to have the details of the affair spread over the news. https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article194480934.html This comes into direct problem with the WP:AVOIDVICTIM clause "including every detail can lead to problems—even when the material is well sourced". It seems like the material you are wanting in the article creates that situation - where the graphic details of her alleged assault are put on display for the public shame of a politician. Do you believe the interest of having this information written out is beneficial? Do you believe it is harming the woman at all? Do you have a personal interest in seeing this information be kept on the page?
Indirectly this may be a matter of WP:WELLKNOWN as well. Since there was not a conclusion to the judicial matter, it may likely be best to either leave salacious text out of the article or rewrite it(simplify it) for neutrality.
I do not want to get into an edit war with you over this matter, and figure it best to settle the matter here. Lets figure this out, okay?
Best, JackL — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackL1951 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the page Bernie Sanders
Hello, I see that you have reverted my edit here on the article Bernie Sanders. While you deleted the change I made stating that his grandchildren are non-biological (along with the source I provided), I included that they were non-biological because of a clarification needed note regarding his grandchildren (you can find that here) asking whether his grandchildren are "biological or through his stepchildren?". Please elaborate a bit on the edit note you left. I did not revert your edit lest I am in the wrong. Regards, DoctorSpeed ✉️ ✨ —Preceding undated comment added 18:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the page Bernie Sanders
I see you didn't reply to my post before, so I am assuming you haven't seen it yet. If you don't reply to this one, I I'll take it as a no explanation and revert your edit on Bernie Sanders. Thanks. Hello, I see that you have reverted my edit here on the article Bernie Sanders. While you deleted the change I made stating that his grandchildren are non-biological (along with the source I provided), I included that they were non-biological because of a clarification needed note regarding his grandchildren (you can find that here) asking whether his grandchildren are "biological or through his stepchildren?". Please elaborate a bit on the edit note you left. I did not revert your edit lest I am in the wrong. Regards, DoctorSpeed ✉️ ✨ —Preceding undated comment added 18:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Woody Allen
Hello AlsoWukai
Yua have edited/deleted my lastest two contributions. Please, let me explain why I think you are wrong.
Regarding the first contribution, the text can be read now is
"When Farrow asked Dylan about it, Dylan allegedly said that Allen had touched Dylan's "private part" while they were alone together in the attic" But that is factually wrong. As can be seen in the court ruling Dylan did not say that when she was asked, but "over the next 24 hours"
"... Ms. Farrow videotaped Dylan's statements. Over the next twenty-four hours, Dylan told Ms. Farrow that she had been with Mr. Allen in the attic and that he had touched her privates with his finger. "
As the same court ruling says ", the videotape compromised the sexual abuse investigation
"Her decision to videotape Dylan's statements, although inadvertently
compromising the sexual abuse investigation, was understandable."
And the expert hired by Mia Farrow said in the trial that
"Dr. Herman noted that it was "unfortunate" that Mia, and not an objective and trained evaluator, videotaped Dylan's testimony, mainly because the way she focused on specific things could possibly "set a tone for a child about how to answer. I think it could raise anxieties of a child." In short, he said, "I don't think it helps matters, I think it complicates matters."
This is what the expert hired by Mia Farrow herself said, nor even the conclusions of the experts of the prosecution or the experts hired by Woody Allen.
You may think that these facts should be expressed differently in wikipedia, but the current wording of the article is seriously inaccurate and gives the impression of a spontaneous Dylan testimony that did not exist.
Regarding the second one, you said : "netrality, rv original reserch" I know wikipedia does no admit (an must not admit) original research, but we are talking about testimonies that were made in the trial, that all of them have been published in books or newspapers to which everyone has access.
Regarding neutrality, I must beg your pardon, but I can not see the point. All of them are testimonies that were said at the trial and collected in the press or by the same people who did them. In what sense to say it is a lack of neutrality. I am especially struck because the wikipedia article has been years without clearly picking up that the allegation of abuse was rejected by the judge and that does not seem to have caused concerns about its neutrality. I beg your pardon if this is not the right place to ask you these questions and I hope it is possible to comment on it and reach an agreement.Tais de Atenas (talk) 10:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Still so grateful...
I wanted to again take a minute to tell you that I am so grateful that you come along and followup on my edits and make them sound so professional. Sometimes I am aware of how twisted my edits are but as often as not, no more often than not, I am unable to figure out a different way to say just what my source says and after getting edits that I worked very hard on get deleted a few times I've grown to live in fear that I'll get that dreaded note on my talk page...so I just do the best I can. Gandydancer (talk) 02:01, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Your edits, apology
I had written numerous edits to a part of the Tenure section that I'd written in the Bradley Byrne article, but I hadn't gotten around to posting them. When I was doing so, I looked your edit and only noticed that you'd made a change to the election section, so thanked you and then published my post. After doing so, I realized that I'd stepped on some of your helpful edits, and went back and tried to reconcile the two versions. Please take a look and see if you think they're okay. The only part of your edits I differed with you about was my having added the adjective "effective" before Kurdish resistance. I restored the word because, given the wide audience of Wikipedia, some readers would likely not be aware that the Kurdish forces were the main actors and made the most sacrifices in rolling back ISIS. Activist (talk) 08:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- I just went back and deleted the CNN reporter sourcing in text from another story about the incident. Thanks again for the edits. Activist (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- "Third time's a charm?" So I went back to your Elizabeth Holtzman edit as I had updated Elise Stefanik's page as she is no longer the youngest woman to be elected to congress. I fixed that citation and then looked at the Holzman article to which it had referred. I went to thank you for you edit to the "escaped" comment that page, and after hitting "thank" and going to confirm it, I accidentally hit the "rollback" link next to it. I reverted that to restore your edit. Maybe I need to slow down or turn in my mouse. Activist (talk) 02:37, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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GOCE March newsletter
Guild of Copy Editors March 2020 Newsletter
Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2019. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2020, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election results: There was little changeover in the roster of Guild Coordinators, with Miniapolis stepping down with distinction as a coordinator emeritus while Jonesey95 returned as lead coordinator. The next election is scheduled for June 2020 and all Wikipedians in good standing may participate. January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work, completing 215 copy edits including 56 articles from the Requests page and 116 backlog articles from the target months of June to August 2019. At the conclusion of the drive there was a record low of 323 articles in the copy editing backlog. Of the 27 editors who signed up for the drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. February Blitz: Of the 15 editors who signed up for this one-week blitz, 13 completed at least one copy edit. A total of 32 articles were copy edited, evenly split between the twin goals of requests and the oldest articles from the copy-editing backlog. Full results are here. March Drive: Currently underway, this event is targeting requests and backlog articles from September to November 2019. As of 18 March, the backlog stands at a record low of 253 articles and is expected to drop further as the drive progresses. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Help set a new record and sign up now! Progress report: As of 18 March, GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests in 2020 and there was a net reduction of 385 articles from the copy-editing backlog – a 60% decrease from the beginning of the year. Well done and thank you everyone! Election reminder: It may only be March but don't forget our mid-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Edit summaries
It appears you're using two accounts, which is fine but makes it harder to know which page to discuss. Please don't use edit summaries such as 'no'. Many of the edits were good and I have kept them. The edit I don't agree with is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_McCartney&diff=prev&oldid=959739056
The past perfect works well here as the main verb is 'moved' in the past simple, and they lived in the old place before they moved, so past perfect is correct. 'Latter' is better than 'last' as the songs aren't the last songs, but the latter three. Finally, the scriptwriter is going to be in the business of selling scripts to people, so the placement of that object works better. An egg seller 'sells eggs to the hungry', a feeder of the hungry 'sells the hungry eggs'. NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
P.S. It is perfectly OK to use 'which' for defining relative clauses in British English.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
GOCE June newsletter
Guild of Copy Editors June 2020 Newsletter
Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since March 2020. You can unsubscribe from our mailings at any time; see below. All times and dates stated are in UTC. Current events
Election time: Nomination of candidates in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 1 June, and voting will take place from 00:01 on 16 June. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought about helping out at the Guild, or you know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. June Blitz: This blitz begins at 00:01 on 14 June and ends at 23:59 on 20 June, with themes of articles tagged for copyedit in May 2020 and requests. Drive and blitz reports
March Drive: Self-isolation from coronavirus may have played a hand in making this one of our most successful backlog elimination drives. The copy-editing backlog was reduced from 477 to a record low of 118 articles, a 75% reduction. The last four months of 2019 were cleared, reducing the backlog to three months. Fifty requests were also completed, and the total word count of copy-edited articles was 759,945. Of the 29 editors who signed up, 22 completed at least one copy edit. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. April Blitz: This blitz ran from 12 to 18 April with a theme of Indian military history. Of the 18 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Participants claimed a total of 60 copyedits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. May Drive: This event marked the 10th anniversary of the GOCE's copy-editing drives, and set a goal of diminishing the backlog to just one month of articles, as close to zero articles as possible. We achieved the goal of eliminating all articles that had been tagged prior to the start of the drive, for the first time in our history! Of the 51 editors who signed up, 43 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Other news
Progress report: as of 2 June, GOCE participants had processed 328 requests since 1 January, which puts us on pace to exceed any previous year's number of requests. As of the end of the May drive, the backlog stood at just 156 articles, all tagged in May 2020. Outreach: To mark the 10th anniversary of our first Backlog Elimination Drive, The Signpost contributor and GOCE participant Puddleglum2.0 interviewed project coordinators and copy-editors for the journal's April WikiProject Report. The Drive and the current Election of Coordinators have also been covered in The Signpost's May News and Notes page. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 15:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC).
Keith Elliot
Hello! Yesterday I added factual information (based on reliable source) that Elliot was involved in Nation of Islam and Million Man March. You deleted this saying it is out of chronological order and already covered elsewhere in the article. But it is covered much later and much further out of chronological order. Can we have it restored please? You can place it where you think it belongs according to chronological order. I thought where I put it was close in time, but if you know better, please correct it rather than remove. - BorisG (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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You're the best! Marquardtika (talk) 16:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
George Shultz
I can understand that you removed my categorization of Schulz's recent talk as "remarkably clear-sighted," since it is not neutral and not sourced, but listen to the talk; it really is clear-sighted. I unsucessfully tried to find a mention or review of the talk that could be cited. Any suggestions? B.T.W., I am not a Hoover Institution fan, but do like to get different points of view (and have admiration for Schulz - what a difference with our present SecState!), so I listened to this talk. Stephengeis (talk) 02:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Copyediting appreciation
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I would just like to thank you personally for assisting in my efforts to expand the page on Lee Hsien Loong with your valued copyediting. Please continue! Seloloving (talk) 11:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC) |
August 2020
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. BlueboyLINY (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. Mz7 (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2020 (UTC)- Please be aware that this article is now under a WP:1RR restriction—you may not make more than one revert per 24 hours on this article or risk being blocked. This is not an entitlement to a revert; you may be blocked for edit warring again even if you do not technically exceed 1 revert per 24 hours. Mz7 (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter
Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter
Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2020. Current and upcoming events
September Drive: Our current backlog-elimination drive is open until 23:59 on 30 September (UTC) and is open to all copy editors. Sign up today! Election reminder: our end-of-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 December. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. Drive and Blitz reports
June Blitz: An uncorrected typo (even copy editors make copy editing mistakes!) led to an eight-day "leap blitz" from 14 to 21 June, focusing on requests and articles tagged in May. 19 participating editors claimed 54 copy edits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. July Drive: Over 750,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event, keeping pace with the previous three self-isolated drives. Of the 38 people who signed up, 30 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. August Blitz: From 16 to 22 August, we copy edited articles tagged in June and July 2020 and requests. 12 participating editors completed 37 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Other news
June election: Jonesey95 was chosen to continue as lead coordinator, assisted by Baffle gab1978, Tdslk, Twofingered Typist, and first-time coordinator Puddleglum2.0. Reidgreg took a break after serving for a couple years. Thanks to everyone who participated! Progress report: As of 01:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 532 requests since 1 January and there were 38 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 433 (see monthly progress graph above). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Puddleglum2.0, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
copy edit please
Wukai, it would mean so much to me if you would do a copy edit on my very first article. The refs are all OK, it just needs to be polished, which you do so well. It is here: [1] Gandydancer (talk) 05:00, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Well, you did it again and possibly even better than ever. Editor North8000 helped me thorough this and wrote the lead as well. North reviews for GAs and FAs. As I read through all your improvements my head was literally moving from side to side in utter amazement as I saw how you turned it from amateur to professional writing. I can't write but I'm not one bit dumb and I was truly amazed with what you did with the article. You can see my comment on the talk page and North's as well. Gandydancer (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Block notice
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If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}
. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page.
Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."
I originally blocked this account indefinitely because I misunderstood the reasons why you were using multiple accounts. I had found it quite tedious to have to block two accounts in order to enforce the editing restriction that I placed on you last month regarding the Lee Zeldin article. However, after further review, I now believe it was unreasonable to block this account indefinitely—you had previously acknowledged your use of multiple accounts here. I apologize for this error, and I have amended your block to match the one I recently placed on your Wukai account. Please do not edit the Lee Zeldin article again without attempting to seek consensus on the talk page first; you were initially restricted from that article as a result of your long history of edit warring on that article. Respectfully, Mz7 (talk) 07:31, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Jessica Lange
Hello AlsoWukai,
Just wanted to send you a big thank you for the editing and cleaning up you've been doing on Lange's Wiki. I like and more importantly, respect the work you have done. Also, keep an eye out for vandals on the page. There are a few questionable editors who come on, usually via random IPs, and purposefully add misinformation and dead links. Just an FYI. Once again, thanks for your contribution.
Carly Marshall (talk) 01:08, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Barnstar
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You're amazing. Thank you for all the clean-up and readabilitating. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 14:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC) |
Rashida Tlaib
I really don’t see the point in reverting my edits to this article, which were improving the grammar. Starting a sentence with “but” is not in keeping with Wikipedia’s house style. The extra comma just helps with readability. TrottieTrue (talk) 14:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Please cite your source for your claim that starting a sentence with “but” is not in keeping with Wikipedia’s house style. I believe that is a misconception, as documented at Common_English_usage_misconceptions#Grammar.AlsoWukai (talk) 21:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
For one thing, the reversion itself was unnecessary, IMO. See “Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary “Bad reasons to revert”: “For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse.” Moreover, see the section “Explain reverts”: “What's important is to let people know why you reverted. This helps the reverted person because they can remake their edit while fixing whatever problem it is that you've identified.” My edit did not make the article worse, and you didn’t provide any reason for your reversion. This is also something on which others have previously disagreed with you about. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/807261121&type=revision It may not actually be part of the Wikipedia manual of style, but in my experience, it’s far more common to find articles here in which sentences are not started with “but”. It sounds too informal to me, or more like journalism, rather than a historical record. Wikipedia falls into the latter category, I would say. I’ve undone your reversion, and feel it should be left as it is for now. TrottieTrue (talk) 12:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
- You're needlessly insisting on a fancy over plain (not "informal") language. "There is a widespread belief—one with no historical or grammatical foundation—that it is an error to begin a sentence with a conjunction such as 'and', 'but', or 'so'. In fact, a substantial percentage (often as many as 10 percent) of the sentences in first-rate writing begin with conjunctions. It has been so for centuries, and even the most conservative grammarians have followed this practice" (Common_English_usage_misconceptions#Grammar). Wukai (talk) 02:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)