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Allstarecho (talk | contribs) whatever, I'm tired of going around in fucking circles over shit that is so fucking obvious.. i get asked to help, when i do i'm rebuffed, so fuck it.. please do protect my talk page, I am officially retired.. as this user anyway. ;] bye bye. |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=Per the block statement ''Anyone may unblock if he promises not to copy and paste copyrighted content into Wikipedia anymore'', I promise not to copy and paste copyrighted content into Wikipedia anymore since I am retired from Wikipedia. Additionally, no need in an indef block of a retired user.|decline=you are not retired from wikipedia, you are quite clearly still here. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 08:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=Retirement isn't a condition of my being unblocked. The block reason specifically said ''Anyone may unblock if he promises not to copy and paste copyrighted content into Wikipedia anymore'' and I specifically promised not to copy and past copyrighted content into Wikipedia anymore. I am abiding by the specific statement that said I could be unblocked. So now, unblock me.|decline=I am declining this one too because it doesn't address the reason why the first one was declined. You stated "I promise not to copy and paste copyrighted content into Wikipedia anymore since I am retired from Wikipedia", since your promise not to copy copyrighted material into wikipedia hinges on you being retired, and you clearly aren't retired (which is why the first unblock request was declined). [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 10:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)}} |
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Viridae, my retirement is a non-issue as it's not a stipulation that was given in the stipulation for being unblocked. It doesn't matter whether I am retired, not retired, still editing, not editing.. the stipulations say if I promised not to add copyrighted material anymore, I can be unblocked. I promised not to add copyrighted material. I abided by the stipulation given. So now I should be unblocked, period. I'm afraid you not honoring the stipulation as it was set, is bad faith and speaks to other motives of keeping me blocked. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 3:19 pm, Today (UTC−5) |
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:In both your unblock requests you promised to not add copyrighted material <u>because you are retired</u>. You aren't retired, you are still here, so the promise doesn't hold any weight. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 4:59 pm, Today (UTC−5) |
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::Whether I am retired or not is not the point. I abided by the stipulations that were laid out in the block. What part of "retired or not is not in the stipulations and has nothing to do with whether I am blocked or unblocked" is so hard to understand?? '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 7:05 pm, Today (UTC−5) |
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:::You could just say "I will not add copyrighted material and will also retire Allstar[[User:Soxwon|Soxwon]] ([[User talk:Soxwon|talk]]) 7:07 pm, Today (UTC−5) |
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::::I shouldn't have to say that since it's not part of the stipulations for being unblocked. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 7:10 pm, Today (UTC−5) |
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:::::I think he means that you have implied that as long as you aren't retired you will make Copyright vios, but really I agree, it shouldn't be part of it. [[User:Soxwon|Soxwon]] ([[User talk:Soxwon|talk]]) 7:14 pm, Today (UTC−5) |
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:::::In fact, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=294554438&oldid=294537484 it was the only one]. <s>Whether or not that remains the case is an open question. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 7:17 pm, Today (UTC−5)</s> However, further information has resulted in the block being reaffirmed (you've already commented on this below). <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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==Not copyvios== |
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And now Durova is CSDing articles that aren't copyvios or that had the copyvio content removed. Man, y'all are paranoid. Seriously, it looks like I'm not the one that needs to calm down and take a deep breathe. I have witnessed non-copyvio articles and images get deleted as well as images and articles of which I didn't add the copyvio content to, but got blamed for it in the edit/deletion summaries. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Diffs? <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:Try [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Copyright_Cleanup/Allstarecho&diff=294879015&oldid=294878615 this] one of yourself.. paranoia over a question mark.. if you'll look at the history you'll see where I went over the copyright info after moonwhateverhernameis brought it to my attention Friday. Which brings me to another damn point.. moonwhateverhernameis brought articles to my attention, I worked on them to correct the issues and then the witch-hunt began. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::That's not paranoia...it's a non-encyclopedic sentence that looks very much like it was lifted straight from a DVD sleeve. I don't have immediate access to that title or I would have checked it myself. I've already ordered a book from my library. And yes, I do have a life, believe it or not. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::If you will look at my damn edit to the article you will see I wrote the damn sentence. It's a question so why wouldn't a question have a question mark?? Yes, it is paranoia. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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More to the point...do you have a diff that supports "Durova is CSDing articles that aren't copyvios"? <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:Way to ignore your own paranoia over the question mark. Yes, see [[Lanier High School (Jackson, Mississippi)]] and tell me what in that article is now a copyvio. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::I am ignoring the [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] and looking into that one. Any others? <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::And based on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Durova&diff=prev&oldid=294885205 this comment], now people are trying to hide things from me?? '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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==Blocked== |
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I have re-blocked you indefinitely for repeated copyright violations in spite of warnings not to in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|our copyright policy]]. That policy notes that "Contributors who repeatedly post copyrighted material despite appropriate warnings may be blocked from editing by any administrator to prevent further problems." I request that any administrators considering unblocking first review the history of this talk and the thread at the administrator's noticeboard for scale of the problem. This block has been applied in the face of significant disruption cross multiple articles and multiple years. I will make note that I have reset your block at the administrator's noticeboard. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:You can't just go and change my block and why I was blocked, after I've already been blocked. That's just [[WP:POINT]] and punishment, which blocks are not supposed to be for. You should be desysopped for that move. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::You've drawn attention to yourself and been combative at ''every'' step, and further information has come to light as a result of the intense scrutiny. [[WP:POINT]] is about disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. Reaffirming your block is not disruptive, it is exactly what [[WP:BLOCK|blocks are all about]] - protecting the project. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::She reset my block as retaliation for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=294510596&oldid=294491163 this] to make sure I am never unblocked. Whatever Frank. She should be desysopped immediately. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I have already reported the reblock at [[WP:ANI]], where it will certainly receive plenty of scrutiny. You have taken my actions personally from the beginning, so I am not surprised that you would see this in similar light. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:You're not helping yourself. That unblock was in response to my assertion that this dialogue is not disruptive to the project. Only '''you''' have the ability to make that assertion actually true. If you want to convince uninvolved admins (not [[User:Durova]], not me, not [[User:Moonriddengirl]], not [[User:Viridae]]) that you should be unblocked, you could start [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup/Allstarecho |here]] and join us in the cleanup by posting information here on your talk page. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::My talk page should not have been blocked in the first place specifically for that reason, that I'm not being disruptive on my talk page. An out of the blue admin blocks my talk page for what reason? No explanation or nothing, just does it. That is unacceptable of any admin. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 00:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Your past actions and current level of activity here are keeping at '''least''' three admins from doing other stuff. The uninvolved admin may well have judged that to be disruptive in itself. Nevertheless, after a quick word, that admin undid the block. That's not to say someone else won't come along and do it again. At some point, interest in this will all fade away. The question that remains is...when that happens, will you have become a productive, policy-abiding member of Wikipedia, or will you be indefinitely blocked, with your talk page protected? <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 00:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I'm not making '''at least three admins''' do anything. It's your choice whether you come to my talk page or not. And I guess you missed the part where I promised not to add copyvio content as was the stipulations for me being unblocked. Then of course that was followed with the retaliation to make sure I am not unblocked. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 01:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::So perhaps we should request your page be protected after all. Then we could clean up the copyvios more quickly. I did miss it. If you are referring to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=prev&oldid=294742987 this edit], it was a transparent attempt to have the block lifted so you could refer to it as "retirement". To guess what would happen at that point would be conjecture, but that was not an agreement to avoid copyvios. |
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:::::What ''you'' are missing is the massive amount of good faith that has been extended to you. Editors are working on going through your contributions (as am I) and some are taking time to engage you here. You're really not giving anyone much to work with; I'm close to unwatching myself, because what I see is trolling. What I have ''hoped for'' is that you'd turn just a little bit and become constructive. I'm not seeing it, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that if I can't see it, few (if any) others can. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::Read the unblock request boxes at the top of this page. They specifically show me saying I PROMISE NOT TO ADD COPYVIO CONTENT AGAIN. I mean, geez, it's plain as day. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 01:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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''...since I am retired from Wikipedia'' is a qualifier to that statement. That was unambiguously a [[WP:WEASEL]] construction which was declined twice. In the meantime, the block was reaffirmed, not because of your f-bomb to a single editor, but because closer scrutiny of your edits has revealed more serious copyright violations. You still have made no effort toward assisting in identifying and removing them. Whether you retire or not, whether you are blocked or not, the copyvios remain a problem that must be fixed. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue"> Frank </span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan"> talk </span>]]</span></small> 01:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Oy, gewalt == |
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First, I owe an apology. During attempts at copyright compliance review I tried to use the Twinkle interface to mark a copy/paste as speedy. The tool defaults to notifying the page creator, which I thought I could de-toggle, but as soon as I filled in a URL the tool completed the operation. Serves me right for not nominating anything for deletion very often. In addition to that, was having problems capturing the URL. Had navigated to the wrong page accidentally; returned and corrected that error quickly, and hoped it wouldn't cause problems here, and got caught up in other stuff. Reading the history now, apparently that caused additional drama--which was not intentional at all. Am very sorry for the confusion. |
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Someone posted to my user talk, and am trying to thread through events. Unblock per an AN discussion that doesn't turn up on searches? Reblock per continued problems? Very confusing. (more to follow) <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 01:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:So apparently my confusion over the Twinkle interface caused a brief unblock of Allstarecho? <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 01:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::The issue is that as the article in question stands, it's not a copyvio. You tagged it as such anyway and to be CSD deleted. And you're saying you didn't want Twinkle to notify me? Does that mean you're trying to hide your action from me? |
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::As for the unblock, I was blocked with the stipulation that if I promised not to add copyvio content anymore, I could be unblocked. That was said so in the actual block edit summary. So I did that, I promised not to add copyvio content anymore.. twice but my unblock request still got denied. Then my block was changed today to make sure I can't be unblocked at all, which I have no doubt in my mind was only done as retaliation because of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=294510596&oldid=294491163 this edit] I did against the admin that changed my block today. '''-''' [[User:Allstarecho|'''A'''LLST'''✰'''R]]<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''<sup>[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]</sup>''' <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] @'''</sub> 01:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC) |