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:Please take the request to: [[Wikipedia:Deletion review]]. If you recreate the article again, anywhere, under any title without doing so, I will block you from editing Wikipedia. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 18:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC) |
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Re Cuba -- some of your edits to the history section were good and interesting, but you stripped off all the links. Please try again, but without de-linking. If we can get past that, then the substantive changes you're proposing can get looked at. –Hajor 16:28, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Please see my reply on the talk page of why what you are doing is being done in the wrong place by and large. Caerwine 23:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words. However, I am not sure I can accept blame for stripping the links (El Jigüe, 9/29/26/2005)
Before you try placing back your additions to the history section of the Cuba article instead of placing them in the History of Cuba article which is where they belong, I urge you to consider that already the History section of the Cuba article is longer than the comparable section in most other country articles, including the United States article. The najor problem I have with your contributions is that you are putting them in the wrong place. Not that there aren't a few other minor issues, but those would be relatively easily resolvable if you would simply follow the example and format of the other Country articles and not try to cram too much data into them. Caerwine 14:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Taino bronze?
So far you haven't been able to provide a single source that indicates that the Arawaks knew of bronze. Copper, silver, and gold, but not bronze. All three metals can be found native and usually alloyed with one another to one degree or another, and were used ornamentally by a wide variety of neolithic cultures, including the Taino. Incidentally in your zeal to prove your point, you overlooked that one of the sources you did cite [1] says about their boat building technique on p. 2: "The fire and scraping method was used to fell the tree, shape the ends and hollow out the interior since the Indians had no metal tools." (Emphasis mine) The weight of available evidence clearly indicates that the Taino did not use metal tools. Caerwine 17:51, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Caerwine the trouble with that argument is that the Taino used and had a name, guanín, for such brownish metal alloys or copper, or bronze which have characteristic smell which was very much appreciated according to the Padre de las Casas (see Zayas, Alfredo 1914 Lexicografia Antillana. Siglo XX, Havana pp. 265-266). Zayas notes that in district of Guaninao, Cuba there are copper mines. The Taino name for gold was caona (same cite). The Spanish at first confused guanín for gold but soon rectified the mistake. However, Sir Walter Raleigh did not and eventually lost head in part because of that stupid mistake. As to the huge canoes they were often made from the soft wood of the Ceiba tree (Ceiba pentandra); the principal instrument of their construction was fire limited by mud. It would be stupid to use guanín tools for that purpose. Besides why chop if you can burn. By the way that Zayas was President of Cuba, and a leader of the Liberal Party who lost the 1917 Chambelona war xe xe ¡AÉ, AÉ, ¡AÉ, la Chambelona! ....el alcalde de la Habana tiene las tetas de goma!..... (El Jigüe, 10/2/2005)
Copper is found in native alloys with gold or silver. On the other hand tin, zinc, or arsenic, which are what you need for primitive bronze, are not normally found native in association with copper, nor by themselves. Native copper alloys (aka guanin) are too soft to be effective tools, but bronze is hard enough to make chopping out the wood faster than charring it out. I doubt that the Taino would have been so stupid that if they had bronze, they wouldn't have used bronze tools. Lack of knowledge and stupidity are two enirely different things. The former can be cured by simple exposure to knowledge, the latter cannot. Don't be so quick to call all copper alloys bronze because they aren't. You are writing here in modern English, not Latin or 16th century Spanish. The Latin aes can mean copper, brass, or bronze. Zinc was likely an unknown metal to las Casas, as it was only in his latter years that it was first becoming known to Europeans. (The Asian Indians knew about it several centuries earlier). Caerwine 07:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
You make good points and they will be tracked down later. In Cuba copper gold and silver can be found in combination with manganese, used to harden steel as is nickel also found in Cuba. Will get back to you on this (El Jigüe, 10/9/2005)
ISBN links
You con't need to create links or articles for ISBN's. If you type ISBN followed by an ISBN number, the Wikimedia software will create a link for you to a page that will have links to a wide number of potential external sources of infornation on that book. Thus a book can be referenced in Wikipedia by its ISBN without having to create an article unless the book is significant in its own right.
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ISBN 1234567890
- ISBN 1234567890
ISBN 1-23-456789-0
- ISBN 1-23-456789-0
Hope this helps. Caerwine 06:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Caerwine thank you. Getting the hang of this (El Jigüe, 10/9/2005)
Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Doc (?) 00:34, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Doc: interesting that you see factual corrections as vandalism. Well everybody has a right to his opinion. Oh wait a minute you seem to be from Glasgow the stamping ground of George Galloway who thinks that Saddam is G-d's gift to Iraq. Tell me how is good o'l George doing these days. BTW Calixto Sanchez of the doomed Corynthia expedition was born in Glasgow (El Jigüe, 10/12/2005)
Duplicative articles
Stop making duplicate articles. This is not good practice. If you want to use text different that the title of the link, you use: [[Article title|text that will appear]]. Please take some of the copious time you have and spend some of it learning how to make articles that conform to Wikipedia's formatting standards. I shouldn't be having to spend my time telling you these things, as there is a perfectly good manual on Wikipedia editting available from the help link in the sidebar. Please do yourself and others the courtesy of reading it at least once. Caerwine 03:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Caerwine you might consider keeping the deletion wolves at bay first xe xe Someone has just removed a whole hunk of pre US mostly English Guantanamo history. And I have to correct a whole bunch of dislexic grammar, not that mine is perfect. BTW Some of the syntax and the drift of some inserts suggests you are getting input from Cuba xe xe (El Jigüey 10/13/05).
Please review closely and adhere to the Wikipedia:three revert rule. Thanks. El_C 19:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I suggest that you check the original article for obvious error, dislexia, most odd grammar, elimination of very significant cross links and pro-Castro bias. For instance that article insists that the unfortunate plane that crashed only was carrying athletes, when in fact the athletes were in Cuban army uniform, and were accompanied by significant Cuban and North Korean (yes I said North Korean) military officials, the 'gold medal' that is talked about was from the 1975 Pan American games. The unfortunate Guayanese medical students were on their way to indoctrination as well as medical studies. However it is wise to keep in mind that: a significant portion of "Medical" education in Cuba "seremos como el Che" is propaganda and intended to turn out "guerrilla-doctors" more like the US Special Forces doctors or the Che himself. In addition, Guyana has strategically significant bauxite (aluminium ore) reserves and was much fought over in the Cold War. This of course does not justify blowing up the plane; however, Castro has shot down not one but several civilian aircraft over international waters (notable the Brothers to the Rescue aircraft), thus a balanced presentation should show this as well.
Thus, my intent is to remove bias as following Wikipedia intent...otherwise, as is now, the article becomes an apologia for Castro and strangely enough Batista (El Jigüe, 10/14/2005).
Create an account
You seem to an active editor. It is adviseable for you to create an account. --Bletch 01:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Bletch Thank you but for now no thank you (El Jigüe, 10/21/2005)
Recreating deleted articles
Hi there. The article you are recreating was deleted by this debate: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cuba based espionage and destabilization operations. If you would like the article restored, please make a request at Wikipedia:Deletion review. But please do not simple recreate the article. Thanks. -Splashtalk 02:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes I here by formally request replacement. Unless of course you think poor Castro did not do a thing against the world, then that itswlf might be taken to suggest you are do not have a "neutral" point of view. This article is carefully documented. It would be proper to rebut or attempt to rebut points you disagree with. However, these were not minor operations but massive and prolonged. I notice you have an article defending the five "Red Avispa" tried and jailed Cuban spies. You do not have to believe me but read the losses Castro sustained who were from one small eastern town in Cuba. Many other towns have such lists....
List of locals of Chaparra (eastern Cuba) many who died in Angola, and other diverse “Cuban” wars , such as the War Against Batista, the “War Against the Bandits,” the Wars of Independence, and a couple who died in the 1953 assault at Moncada. It seems that many such places in Cuba publish such lists on the web. I found interesting those killed at “El Jobo” late in the War Against Batista, because I had never had known of them.
http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/enero.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/febrero.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/marzo.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/marzo.htm also has april http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/mayo.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/junio.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/julio.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/agosto.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/septiembre.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/octubre.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/noviembre.htm http://www.tunet.cult.cu/pagsec/municip/menendez/diciembre.htm
(El Jigüe, 10/22/2005)
- Please take the request to: Wikipedia:Deletion review. If you recreate the article again, anywhere, under any title without doing so, I will block you from editing Wikipedia. -Splashtalk 18:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)