A gift
I just gave a little gift to one of your favourite band's member, Guy Evans here Special:diff/889564371 for your help to me. Hope you like it. Have a nice day. Regards 117.234.14.161 (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with an infobox, and I'm sure Gerda Arendt would be delighted that you added it, but I'm not entirely sure there'll be universal praise for it. Still, it should be strong and stable. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:24, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- ;) - I remember having had a similar gift idea on a birthday 6 years ago which wasn't understood as a gift (about the first thing happening was that the section header was changed), - well, patience did it in that case. Interesting to read just the edit summaries with a little distance ("I notice bullying, ownership and civility issues that it appears are going to have to be rectified by the larger Wikipedia community" - don't think that happened yet). I still miss GFHandel, who felt during the discussion that life outside Wikipedia was better. - Today is the birthday of Jörg Streli, featured on the German Main page, - long live his memory. - A gift for me would be a GA review, several noms to choose from, - look for section "Quality" on my user page. - What did miss about your health, Ritchie? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- I dropped you an email with specifics. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- Have i not been as much stubborn as i am, i too would have a similar story like GFHandel. I actually gave this all up for 3 or 4 months after having a really good advice from my one and only Sir Gareth Griffith-Jones. But i came back because someone said to me that if you can stop RegentsPark, then you shall otherwise many other good editors would suffer similar fate. So i decided that i will leave wikipedia on the day when RegentsPark gets a lesson to remember. And trust me, i will surely leave Wikipedia. Regards 117.234.14.161 (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- You could just Illegitimi non carborundum and write an article. Or do one of Gerda's GA reviews. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- Have i not been as much stubborn as i am, i too would have a similar story like GFHandel. I actually gave this all up for 3 or 4 months after having a really good advice from my one and only Sir Gareth Griffith-Jones. But i came back because someone said to me that if you can stop RegentsPark, then you shall otherwise many other good editors would suffer similar fate. So i decided that i will leave wikipedia on the day when RegentsPark gets a lesson to remember. And trust me, i will surely leave Wikipedia. Regards 117.234.14.161 (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- I dropped you an email with specifics. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- ;) - I remember having had a similar gift idea on a birthday 6 years ago which wasn't understood as a gift (about the first thing happening was that the section header was changed), - well, patience did it in that case. Interesting to read just the edit summaries with a little distance ("I notice bullying, ownership and civility issues that it appears are going to have to be rectified by the larger Wikipedia community" - don't think that happened yet). I still miss GFHandel, who felt during the discussion that life outside Wikipedia was better. - Today is the birthday of Jörg Streli, featured on the German Main page, - long live his memory. - A gift for me would be a GA review, several noms to choose from, - look for section "Quality" on my user page. - What did miss about your health, Ritchie? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the gift of moving Pütz to the Main page, and good comments where I promised not to appear again or bite my tongue. Completely unrelated: an IP made changes to Beethoven's Third which I reverted once, as badly formatted and possibly OR. Teach them BRD? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
A request for a pre-GA review for Hell's Bells (film)
Hi Richie. I was wondering if you could do a GA-review for Hell's Bells (film). I want to see what I need to do to get the article to GA standards. I also want to create a better picture of myself, because of my previous vandalism, and stupid sockpuppeting. Thank you. The Duke 20:13, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- @The Duke of Nonsense: From a brief look, the article contains information in the lead (such as copyright expiration) not in the body, the plot summary seems overly long compared to the rest of the article, and there seems to be significant information missing, such as why Disney chose to make such a film, and what production equipment was used. The prose is clunky in places, such as "The film also has a variety of musical compositions, one of such is "In the Hall of the Mountain King" (would be better to say "The soundtrack includes several classical compositions including Grieg's "In The Hall of the Mountain King"). I'd say it's some way off meeting the GA criteria, particularly on 1b ("Lead") and 3a ("Broad in coverage"). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice! I'm wondering what could I change, so that I can work gradually for a good article. Is this a lost cause? Or is there potential? I am willing to work towards a GA. Thank you. The Duke 17:47, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- I think what you really need is a good book source covering the history of Disney animation, and cite whatever is in there about the film. I suspect there will be far more insightful information about the background and production mentioned there. Demystifying Disney: A History of Disney Feature Animation might be one such book, but to be honest this isn't my area of expertise and I can't easily advise further. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice! I'm wondering what could I change, so that I can work gradually for a good article. Is this a lost cause? Or is there potential? I am willing to work towards a GA. Thank you. The Duke 17:47, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Ranking Roger
On 30 March 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ranking Roger, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Ritchie333. I came across Golden Effects Pictures while checking on image use in it (most of which are likely copyvios uploaded to Commons). It has just been recreated (possibly by a COI editor), but with much more content than was merged per the above-mentioned AfD. So, I was wondering if you'd mind taking a look at it and see if it's OK despite the MOS formatting errors, etc.
FWIW, if the article is keepable, then all the infobox logo really needs is a {{Non-free use rationale logo}} added to the file's page; if, however, it's going to be merged, redirect, deleted, etc. then the logo will eventually also be deleted per WP:F5. I can't, however, really do much about the other files uploaded to Commons unless the uploader sends a WP:CONSENT email to OTRS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly: I have reverted back to the redirect, as suggested at the AfD. The recent additions are largely unsourced and go into excessive detail; if this was a brand new article, it might be worthy of WP:G11. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:24, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- It seems that the article has been recreated as Golden Effects Pictures LLC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure WP:G4 is appropriate (it went to a deletion discussion but was not deleted there), but WP:G11 is. Anyway, I've reduced it to a redirect. I'm not totally opposed to writing a dedicated article, but the way OlamiQ is going about it is not constructive. It should be started with a small 1,500 character (ie: just above stub) piece, and all of it well-sourced with proper citations. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks once again. FWIW, I didn't tag the LLC version for speedy; it was another editor. I think if the editor wants to work on it as a draft and then submit to AfC for review, then that's fine. I'm also thinking there might be a WP:COI concern too, but that's just another feeling, and that's something which can be sorted out as part of the AfC review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that's the way forward, and is the generally recommended route. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:16, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks once again. FWIW, I didn't tag the LLC version for speedy; it was another editor. I think if the editor wants to work on it as a draft and then submit to AfC for review, then that's fine. I'm also thinking there might be a WP:COI concern too, but that's just another feeling, and that's something which can be sorted out as part of the AfC review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure WP:G4 is appropriate (it went to a deletion discussion but was not deleted there), but WP:G11 is. Anyway, I've reduced it to a redirect. I'm not totally opposed to writing a dedicated article, but the way OlamiQ is going about it is not constructive. It should be started with a small 1,500 character (ie: just above stub) piece, and all of it well-sourced with proper citations. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
It's not a done deal
Right, talk page stalkers, who's for Template:Did you know nominations/Bollocks to Brexit? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- I can't see any obvious hook there; as with all current-politics topics I would be reluctant to see it run on the main page if it were done in such a way that made it look like Wikipedia was biased, and a duly NPOV hook like "did you know that BtB is a campaign opposing UK withdrawal from the European Union" has about as much impact as some overcooked spaghetti. (Yes, we ran Referendum Party on 29 March, but at the time it was scheduled it was supposed to have been all over by then, and we were scrupulously careful not to either support or oppose it but just to give their views.) FWIW, there are sufficient sources out there to turn Hard Brexxxit, er, blue; I was eyeing it up but couldn't bring myself to go ferreting round "special interest" websites to actually watch the thing and write the necessary synopsis. ‑ Iridescent 12:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- I can think of "... that 'Bollocks to Brexit' has appeared on stickers, badges and buses?" or "... that John Bercow does not personally advocate 'Bollocks to Brexit'"; however the obvious problem is if I personally stick up the DYK, people will immediately spot a political bias and cry foul. Indeed, the reason for writing this article and putting it in mainspace is precisely so other editors can come along and tone things down a bit, if necessary. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Changes in culture
Hey Ritchie. I saw this comment from you, and rather than clutter up that RfA with my comments, thought I'd bring it here.
Wikipedia's culture has changed over time. It continues to evolve and will do so for as long as it exists. It's an entirely normal process, and one that affects RfA as well. What would have been acceptable 10 years ago isn't so now, and even vice versa. Things that energized commenters on RfAs 10 years ago are significantly different than today's motivations. There's no way to unite all admins, regardless of when they became an admin, under a single banner of culture. It's just not possible. So, while it might be unfair, there's no way to change it and I don't think we can expect the current crop of people who comment on RfAs to adhere to standards of consideration that existed from an earlier time. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Hammersoft, long time no see. Also bringing SchroCat into the mix as he's followed up on the main discussion.
- I don't really have a solution to the problem we've now got with effectively having two classes of editors; I was just saying it's a problem and as long as people oppose over things that existing admins do without blockback, people will perceive it to be unfair. I think it's a root cause of some of the badgering that goes on there (and yes, I freely admit I'm a major source of that) - while people are generally free to give whatever support or oppose rationale they like, it's the ones that give rise to comments of "if we all had to do that, we wouldn't have any admins" that tend to attract the most controversy and bickering.
- To pick up on a point SchroCat made, I have been aware of problems caused by admins who wouldn't stand a hope of passing RfA today for about ten years; I just think directly tackling them head on tends not to be an effective way of resolving it. I'm certainly on record that I think RHaworth is an incompetent admin, and if he had tried running for RfA any later than about 2009, not only would he not get the tools, he'd probably also have been blocked a few times too. However, do you think I'd pass RfA if I ran today? My track record of kicking people who I think need to be knocked down a peg or two has shot up and I suspect I'd have a similar trajectory to RexxS with lots more pile-on "civility problems" opposes. If I manage to lose the tools, I'll never get them back. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm. This is a conversation that easily can diverge into multiple threads. To demonstrate; admins do a job that usually gets editors upset with them at some point. Do it long enough, and you develop a cadre of people who despise what you do. Good admins know this, take it in stride, and continue to do the work that needs to be done. But, if such a good admin were to stand for RfA again they'd likely not pass. This is one of the key reasons why reconfirmation RfA processes and de-adminship have failed to produce any effective system. See? Thread :) I don't think there are two classes of editors vis-a-vis RfA voting patterns. It's more like a spectrum, and as the Wikipedia culture changes, so to does the body of people voting at RfA. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:05, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hi to both. What I replied to on the original thread (and then expanded on when someone said much the same as you, Hammersoft), is that it's not necessarily people being angered by an admin making the "wrong" choice on a close, but by the group of legacy admins who are not fit for purpose. They may have been given the bit in 2003-4 or 2006, but they would not stand a chance of passing now - not because of any particular "admin" action (or a series of them), but their general day-to-day ability to be an a-hole if people don't agree with them. It may be a small percentage, but there are too many of them who have held adminship for so long they either feel untouchable, or they know the game well enough to just about avoid crossing the line that would take them to ANI/ArbCom. All admins will have made an error or two in their time (it goes with the territory and being human), but that is of less concern to me - others are quick to jump in and remedy the more glaring problems, and the admin concerned tends to throw up their hands, say mea culpa and everyone moves on, but the ones I have concerns about have much deeper issues and cause much more permanent damage to the project and to other users. - SchroCat (talk) 07:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- In my case, I can't think of anyone who's got a particular longstanding grudge against some admin action I took; the only recent thing I can think of that was a bit controversial was indef-blocking Winkelvi, and even then it was because I was asked to do it and it was backed up with the community. It's more that every now and again some admin says or does something that I think is mean spirited, boneheaded or just plain daft, and I feel like having a go at them for it; I feel I'm standing up for the "silent majority" who I am convinced feel the same but are afraid to say so. I don't recommend doing this - not at all, it's not like it doesn't come with consequences, but I did give fair warning to everybody when I stood for RfA that this is who I am and what I stand for; I've just always been suspicious or contemptuous of people in authority that haven't gained my respect. But the acts over the last few years regarding Brexit and Trump (all of which happened after I passed) have seriously hardened that view as I come across people with diametrically opposed views to mine all the time and as time goes on I have less of a problem calling out ignorance or arrogance. I'm sure everything Jacob Rees Mogg says would meet Wikipedia's superficial definition of WP:CIVIL but that doesn't mean I feel like smacking him in the mouth for being such a mean-spirited asshole. Having said that, I had a pleasant conversation with an old friend last night who voted "leave" for pragmatic reasons, who hates the current government implementation just as much as I do, and it was nice to find some common ground. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ritchie333 as an editor who has never been in anything but good standing on this project, I have felt the disdain that radiates from some admin pointed my way at times and not at times where it seemed like I was even maybe talking "above my station". So I get that. But I would ask you to rethink when you choose to engage in those sorts of battles if you think this was in anyway standing up for a silent majority. I further fail to see how a thoughtful, reasoned, measured oppose of a sysop at an RfA (i.e. not in any sort of admin capcity) is mean spirirted, boneheaded, or just plain daft let alone causing harm while being superficially CIVIL. I know you've apologized but I would truly ask you to rethink when you're choosing to pick a fight if that was one of the times it seemed right to you. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I thought the comment I responded to there was incredibly mean-spirited and upsetting. But that's just me. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- In my case, I can't think of anyone who's got a particular longstanding grudge against some admin action I took; the only recent thing I can think of that was a bit controversial was indef-blocking Winkelvi, and even then it was because I was asked to do it and it was backed up with the community. It's more that every now and again some admin says or does something that I think is mean spirited, boneheaded or just plain daft, and I feel like having a go at them for it; I feel I'm standing up for the "silent majority" who I am convinced feel the same but are afraid to say so. I don't recommend doing this - not at all, it's not like it doesn't come with consequences, but I did give fair warning to everybody when I stood for RfA that this is who I am and what I stand for; I've just always been suspicious or contemptuous of people in authority that haven't gained my respect. But the acts over the last few years regarding Brexit and Trump (all of which happened after I passed) have seriously hardened that view as I come across people with diametrically opposed views to mine all the time and as time goes on I have less of a problem calling out ignorance or arrogance. I'm sure everything Jacob Rees Mogg says would meet Wikipedia's superficial definition of WP:CIVIL but that doesn't mean I feel like smacking him in the mouth for being such a mean-spirited asshole. Having said that, I had a pleasant conversation with an old friend last night who voted "leave" for pragmatic reasons, who hates the current government implementation just as much as I do, and it was nice to find some common ground. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Ritchie
Following your comment here, I have taken up the gauntlet and had a look at this article to see what can be done with it. And it turns out that if you include the history going back to its days as the Metropolitan line station, it has quite an interesting history. I think it may be almost up to GA standard now, and am considering nominating it, but would welcome your input into whether you think it passes muster and whether anything is lacking. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: That's brilliant, well done. From a quick look, some of the sources don't look reliable (what makes "Disused stations" without any URL a good source?) and possibly the lead is a little over-long, but there's nothing obvious that would make it fail a GA review. I don't appear to have touched the article at all bar one minor edit years ago, so stick it up for GAN and I'll review it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oh yes, that was an oversight on my part that I meant to do something about. Well at least to provide the URL. The page was this one, [3], which has a well-written discourse on the station, but is perhaps of dubious reliability as a reputable source? I managed to avoid citing it almost entirely but I think for the one fact in question I couldn't find it anywhere else. Will have another look though. And I'll let you know when I put it up for GAN. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 10:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's a difficult one. I personally would trust Disused Stations to be reliable; technically, it's self published source in that it's been set up by some amateur enthusiasts with no professional editorial oversight. However, I have read through the site's archives extensively and I would be surprised if anything of significance in it was factually incorrect or questionable. The page on King's Cross Thameslink is written by Nick Catford, who is a genuine expert on the history of the London rail network, and has published several books including Secret Underground London. The policy says "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Exercise caution when using such sources: if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent reliable sources". In this instance, we have good reason to believe it is published in independent reliable sources, they're just not available on the end of a Google search and require some effort to get hold of. As to how much of a problem that is, well WP:SOURCEACCESS says that good sources being inaccessible is a non-issue. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I've fixed it up now and put in Nick Catford's name as author to give it a bit more legitimacy. Also started the GAN so if you can have a look at it when you have a chance that would be great, and I'll fix up any issues as you find them. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 11:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Morning Ritchie, I've had a look at the points you've raised so far in the Talk:King's Cross Thameslink railway station/GA1 review. Thanks and let me know what else needs doing. — Amakuru (talk) 10:56, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I've fixed it up now and put in Nick Catford's name as author to give it a bit more legitimacy. Also started the GAN so if you can have a look at it when you have a chance that would be great, and I'll fix up any issues as you find them. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 11:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's a difficult one. I personally would trust Disused Stations to be reliable; technically, it's self published source in that it's been set up by some amateur enthusiasts with no professional editorial oversight. However, I have read through the site's archives extensively and I would be surprised if anything of significance in it was factually incorrect or questionable. The page on King's Cross Thameslink is written by Nick Catford, who is a genuine expert on the history of the London rail network, and has published several books including Secret Underground London. The policy says "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Exercise caution when using such sources: if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent reliable sources". In this instance, we have good reason to believe it is published in independent reliable sources, they're just not available on the end of a Google search and require some effort to get hold of. As to how much of a problem that is, well WP:SOURCEACCESS says that good sources being inaccessible is a non-issue. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oh yes, that was an oversight on my part that I meant to do something about. Well at least to provide the URL. The page was this one, [3], which has a well-written discourse on the station, but is perhaps of dubious reliability as a reputable source? I managed to avoid citing it almost entirely but I think for the one fact in question I couldn't find it anywhere else. Will have another look though. And I'll let you know when I put it up for GAN. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 10:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Rewards Network page deletion
Hello,
You recently deleted a page that we were working to update to address the concerns that had been flagged. It was a page for Rewards Network. The team that was working on the updates had reached out for assistance/guidance and was then taken off the project, so I don't know what information was given to them.
Can you help me get the page reinstated and guide me a bit towards updates that will remove your concerns?
Thanks so much, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dina Ward (talk • contribs) 14:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Dina Ward: The article was deleted at a debate : Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rewards Network - basically somebody asked for it to be deleted and there were no objections. I've restored it to User:Dina Ward/Rewards Network; follow instructions at the top of the page to see what to do next. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
@Ritchie333 Thank you. I'll follow up there. Dina Ward (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2019 (UTC)DinaWard
Abinta Kabir foundation Deletion
Hello, Recently you had deleted a page which was created by me, And left the page was created for promotion as a reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mash sajid (talk • contribs) 19:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC) Abinta Kabir foundation page was not created for promotion. And i have created the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mash sajid (talk • contribs) 19:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- The article was originally deleted by SoWhy following a deletion debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abinta Kabir Foundation. Though the decision to delete was not unanimous, the strongest arguments came from those advocating for deletion, and the closing rationale was well thought out and stated. While I don't agree with everything SoWhy does, they are stringent about keeping material where it is practical and would not delete something unless there was a very good reason and consensus to do so. You can challenge the debate at deletion review, but I don't think you'll be successful. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
assertion
None of my business really, but I'm trying to distract meself. Regarding a question you asked elsewhere, an edit summary for 'copying within wikipedia' is acceptable and a talk page note may be helpful. I would say a link and comment in the page history is preferable and a talk notice is a polite but perhaps unnecessary option. As always, when I make an assertion here it is with the hope that I will be corrected if wrong. How is your day? cygnis insignis 00:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's pretty much what everyone else has said. However, it's not a scenario I find myself in very often, as most of the time our summary style guidelines means that one article doesn't exactly duplicate part of another, but is a condensed version of it. So in these cases, improving the article makes the issue a moot point. In answer to your last question, it was 1:17am when you sent it and I was asleep ;-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Of course, the first question is should I be doing this. I have copy pasted verbatim with attribution, then summarised with the next edit, but all that was more bother than using the cited sources and still allows for compounding of concerns arising from using other articles as a source.. The only application I've found is in rearranging biology articles, lists and classifications, that type of thing. Have a good one. cygnis insignis 12:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
I've sent a pigeon
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— Dat GuyTalkContribs 17:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- @DatGuy: I've got your email, I've just been distracted by real world stuff. I probably won't get to it today as straight after work I'm doing something at the local Women's Institute where I might give Women in Red a bit of a plug. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Offending
Just curious... with reference to reporting IP vandalism, would/could/should descriptors like nut case, retard, idiot, whack-o, etc. be considered offensive if used in very general terms when filing a vandal report? Atsme Talk 📧 13:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Using such terms are considered personal attacks. If used by edit summaries from the reported user, whether or not it's vandalism depends on what the content is. If it's editing some politician to describe them as a "retard", it probably is. If it's to take out or tone down some section on controversy for said politician, it's probably POV pushing and blockable but not technically vandalism. If it's in the report, then they need to tone it down. If you're talking about the specific AIV report I think you're talking about, then this is appropriate action. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oh dear, that is not good. Fun fact: I have started to revdelete words like "retard". I can live with "nut case" etc., since they aren't blatantly insulting to actual human beings, but that word REALLY!!! should not be used ever. Now in this case it's in a comment removed by the bot, and it's not in the edit summary, so there's not that much of a point to scrubbing it, but in other places it needs to be scrubbed, in my opinion. Drmies (talk) 14:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks to both of you for validating what I believed to be true. Oh, and Ritch, yes it was about that diff. I just want to add that I appreciate the part of that user page TW template that states: "While you probably didn't intend any offense," because while the message is clear, it's not abrasive or a turn-off. That particular user has a slightly different style of communication but as his user page will demonstrate, he means well and produces quality work in his chosen topic areas, particularly Arthurian legends. Every minute I've spent mentoring him has been a rewarding experience. Atsme Talk 📧 20:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
ANI Help requested
Could you please give some assistance to this thread on ANI? It's going around and around and going nowhere. Full disclosure, I got your name from the ANI history as you were the last admin to edit. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:42 on April 8, 2019 (UTC)
Ansariya Educational Complex CSD
Hi Ritchie, as per the page this complex is a collection of a school, a college and other individual educational institutions, doesn't that make it an organization. Daiyusha (talk) 11:33, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- In general, you need to err on the side of caution with CSDs, as they allow administrators to delete a page without any consensus or challenging, and WP:A7 does say "with the exception of educational institutions". I don't have any opinion on the article itself and won't complain about sending it to PROD or AfD if you think that's appropriate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
dealt with Jim and Mary McCartney's article once and for all.
Since the foaming-at-the-mouth Beatle lap dogs really want that abhorrent, garbage, abomination of an article so damn badly, I have to do the only reasonable thing which is merge it. I can't imagine why anyone even cares about these people over one song. Idol worship. So that's done with (unless someone decides to crawl out of the sewers to undo it). We have been avenged. Trillfendi (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Looks like it's been reverted already. This AfD was a difficult sell; you have to read the article, understand the topic and get an understanding of what's appropriate for an encyclopedia without applying the letter of whatever policies are normally referred to in this debates. I'm not sure about re-reverting since I started the AfD and would probably be accused of trying to get my own way on things; hopefully somebody else will revert back. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- (If I may ...) I'm disappointed to have missed the AfD on this article. I'm quite capable of writing long, long articles on the Beatles – songs, albums, tours, biographies – but that in no way extends to Beatles-related trivia pieces, which is what that abomination of an article was. Just came across George Toogood Smith, btw ...
- Anyway, thanks to both of you for your expunging of Wikipedia's The Daily Mail Presents Jim 'n Maz Mac. JG66 (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @JG66: Yup, I knew you would have a good delete argument, but I couldn't tell you about the AfD because it would have been canvassing. Now obviously I am a huge Beatles fan from Revolver up to Abbey Road, the latter of which is one of my favourite albums of all time, but I like the music, not the infighting trivia or the excessive personal details of the family. I had an argument with Ruth McCartney's PA on this talk page (I think) once, and I did chuckle that Ruth has met people who say "Oooh, you're Paul's stepsister. What's he like?" Jeez, she doesn't live with him! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- WP:MERGEPROP says "Articles that have been separate for a long time should usually be discussed first, especially those on controversial topics." A topic that was just subject to a no consensus AfD counts as controversial in my view. We should have a merger discussion. I see Serial Number 54129 has restored your merge and I hate edit warring so I'm going to hold off but Trillfendi you need to tone down your rhetoric. I am not a "foaming-at-the-mouth Beatle lap dog", I simply have an opinion different to you.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:06, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- I just fear that a merge discussion will basically be the AfD all over again :-/ Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Audrey Geisel discussion
Saw you noted this at the recent ARC; I remembered it happening and went to re-read the discussion, though you might appreciate the link for your statement: Special:PermaLink/884678809#Audrey_Geisel. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 18:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- I've added the link, though I do want to avoid the impression that I have placed Enigmaman in the stocks and am handing Oshwah a large crate of sun-ripe tomatoes to pelt at him. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:56, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Can we have a moratorium on the merging of Beatle parents, until we at least have a discussion? As you know, we have one in progress now with McCartney's parents. Freddie Lennon did have a singing career, albeit a modest one at best. Engines On (talk) 06:03, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- What chart hits (or other qualifying criteria) are there? In any case, Serial Number 54129 has re-reverted, so a merge request will be required. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 06:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Fancruft problem on Camila Cabello articles
See [4] and [5]. User has also created a portal and wikiproject. I think they need to be talked to by a friendly admin.—NØ 07:34, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Ritchie333. I'd just like to ask, regarding Articles for Deletion pages, how many votes are required for a consensus? It seems the majority had voted to keep these pages, only one voted to delete. Thank you. BenjaminHomerBoyd (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Consensus at AfDs is never taken by a count of the votes, but rather by the strength of the arguments. In this case, after the first relist, there were a range of disagreeing views, and not much a majority settlement on keeping, merging or deleting. So "no consensus" seems suitable, given the amount of times the debate had been relisted but failed to converge on a definitive outcome. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the reevaluation
Thanks for reevaluating that report. It's appreciated, and I hope my response did not come across as rude in any way, as that was not my intention. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Advise needed
Hello sir, I would be great if you could assist me for just 1 minute. I know your time is valuable. I respect your work and every editor on Wikipedia. Sir I need your help regarding this two articles which I created Bhoot Police & Rooh Afza (film). Does they doesn't follow the Wikipedia guidelines or are they not WP:N. AR.Dmg (talk) 10:10, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- I've got no idea I'm afraid, I'm not really up on films anymore. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- @AR.Dmg: It’s already been explained to you that per our Film notability guideline,
Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles
. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Civility towards other contributors
May I advise you work on your tone and the way you address other contributors. “Fix, don’t tag!” as one example. First off no one is in charge here. The authoritarian and snide tone is neither effective or wp:civil. For example: Consider working on fixes for the article as opposed to tagging. However the tag is intended to temper overly active contributions in light of recent highly publicized death. Not necessarily fix anything, your comment is also oft. Good Day0pen$0urce (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- The "fix don't tag" mantra has been around for at least ten years, as seen here. I spent some time copyediting and adding additional sources to Ian Cognito, but all you have done is edit war over a tag. As the old saying goes, "we are here to build an encyclopedia, not sing Kumbaya, and this is a shop floor". If you think anything that I have said is not civil, heaven knows what you'll make of this..... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:41, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- Dismissive response and edit war accusations. If the shoe fits as they say in regards to edit war. civility, really recommend reading it. I am thick skinned, but don’t like unneeded rude or bossy behavior and civility happens to be one of the wiki pillars. Not picking on anyone, just an opinion that your approach is a bit abrasive and could use a little adjustment, good Day! 0pen$0urce (talk) 03:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) The trouble is people do not even no that they are doing it. I must include myself in that. You, for example the other day were determined to ridicule an edit that I had made by a partial, incomplete quote associated with some wild, comparative references. You self-reverted. Trying to traduce other editors is a form of incivility by attempted humiliation. And it becomes a habit. Leaky caldron (talk) 10:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- That edit in question was supposed to be funny (does anyone still believes a no deal Brexit is good for preserving banana shapes?) but I thought not everyone would see the humour so self reverted. I did take time out to do a bit of work on Ronnie Campbell as a more appropriate response. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) The trouble is people do not even no that they are doing it. I must include myself in that. You, for example the other day were determined to ridicule an edit that I had made by a partial, incomplete quote associated with some wild, comparative references. You self-reverted. Trying to traduce other editors is a form of incivility by attempted humiliation. And it becomes a habit. Leaky caldron (talk) 10:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Ian Cognito
On 13 April 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ian Cognito, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Where do you suggest I try a redirect? (Please ping me. I might very well forget I asked this, as I haven't gotten much sleep tonight. It's 06:26 here.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Arthur Rubin: I would go for Hans Wahlgren#Personal life as a first choice, but one of the other notable family members may be more suitable. I did see this message when I got in at 1am this morning but felt a good night's sleep was a good idea before replying. :-D Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Your threats
Please explain why you are blatantly threatening me with an unconscionable block. I did not edit war and I was not uncivil towards anyone at all. I highly suggest you stop needlessly fanning the flames of a dispute where I’ve done nothing wrong. Once he brought the issue to AN, I stopped editing the pages all together. Any block made by you towards me in this situation would be way over the line and a clear continuation of your previous WP:INVOLVED spats with me. Nihlus 16:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Somebody complained about you off-wiki (and did not want to reveal who they are); I checked your mainspace contributions, saw a near WP:3RR violation at RuPaul's Drag Race (season 9), quite a bit more edit warring on related articles, and a regular failure to drop the stick in discussions, generally insisting on having the last word. This sounds like behaviour that is worth at least a warning. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- I made two reverts and moved on once I saw he wasn’t planning on stopping. The editor in question was editing against consensus. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and switched my goal to clarifying the consensus that was reached, even though he was really the only one who was interpreting incorrectly. I dropped whatever stick I had when I told him I was no longer interacting with him outside of official boards. Any further comments were responding to his disruption and his own failure to drop the stick where he continued to cast aspersions and accused me of censorship. If anyone needs a warning, it would be Tenebrae, and I don’t even think he needs a warning or block. He just needs to be told to move on. Nihlus 16:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- You made five reverts : [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. And that's just on one article. "It's all the other guy's fault - block him!" is one of the oldest cliches in the book. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- The second edit isn’t a revert. The first one was for a different day and addressed readability issues with multiple articles. I had actually intended to self-revert the last revert to remove any thought of edit warring but the IP reinstated their edit just minutes later, so I apologize I was not quick enough to self-revert that one (I forgot that it was on an article that I reverted Tenebrae). It won’t happen again as we are beginning to work on a more long term solution to the articles as they are an unending target of fan-service type edits. Nihlus 16:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- You made five reverts : [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. And that's just on one article. "It's all the other guy's fault - block him!" is one of the oldest cliches in the book. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- I made two reverts and moved on once I saw he wasn’t planning on stopping. The editor in question was editing against consensus. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and switched my goal to clarifying the consensus that was reached, even though he was really the only one who was interpreting incorrectly. I dropped whatever stick I had when I told him I was no longer interacting with him outside of official boards. Any further comments were responding to his disruption and his own failure to drop the stick where he continued to cast aspersions and accused me of censorship. If anyone needs a warning, it would be Tenebrae, and I don’t even think he needs a warning or block. He just needs to be told to move on. Nihlus 16:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- For the record, Nihlus, I am not "editing against consensus." An RfC review is ongoing because of what may be an inappropriate closure that conflated an apples-and-oranges issue well outside the scope of the RfC. Consensus for the actual RfC topic was reached. But consensus for the second, entirely different topic seems like it may need a dedicated RfC. That is precisely what the RfC review process is about: Until a decision is made, there is no proper consensus on that second, different topic.
- And despite your protestations, you indeed have been uncivil and falsely accusatory toward me, including a false accusation of canvassing for which admin Bearcat chastised you on his talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Everyone involved in the discussion has told you that you are editing against consensus. As to the canvassing remarks, you brought an RfC review to the attention of an involved administrator and none of the other participants; that is inappropriate.
One editor has been unilaterally deleting all contestants' civilian names for every season of this show, despite an RfC reaching consensus on only removing birth names of transgender contestants
is a biased message and notifying only Bearcat is considered partisan. Bearcat misinterpreting the position on which I stood does not absolve you of any of that. I'm not going to rehash this on a fifth different page with you, so please do not follow me around the wiki. Thanks. Nihlus 21:33, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Everyone involved in the discussion has told you that you are editing against consensus. As to the canvassing remarks, you brought an RfC review to the attention of an involved administrator and none of the other participants; that is inappropriate.
- And despite your protestations, you indeed have been uncivil and falsely accusatory toward me, including a false accusation of canvassing for which admin Bearcat chastised you on his talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Folks, for what it's worth, I've examined all of that discussion in the course of reviewing the RfC closure, and while I did see some unfortunate snippiness from a few people, I saw nothing remotely close to being blockworthy. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Mario del Monaco
Could you please watch Mario del Monaco, - as explained on project, there's an enthusiast at work, "a spectucular singer" and such. I explained twice, let's see. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, but as you may have seen I have been keeping an eye on a brand new article that I think all of us are sad that had to have cause to exist in the first place. I think Ad Orientem mentioned relatives liberating Notre Dame from the Nazis at the end of World War II or something like that - shocking, really. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Msgr Leonard Fries... a saintly priest who I knew in my childhood. He was an army chaplain during the war and was on the beach on D Day. And he was the first priest to offer Mass in Notre Dame after Paris was liberated. He was mentioned in Is Paris Burning? (book). -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for deleting the draft. :) I had wanted to see how a template worked as visual editor just showed the Wikidata numbers and codes, so it was confusing. And yeah. :) Thanks again. :) --LauraHale (talk) 16:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- @LauraHale: You know something, I've now got an instinctive reaction - whenever I see a women's biography at CAT:CSD, I jump on it as it seems to be (still!) the most incorrectly-tagged class of articles on the entire project. So I looked at this, and thought "aww jeez, which idiot has tagged this as a test page ten seconds after the author pressed 'publish changes'"; then I checked the history to see what was actually going on. Anyway, my advice is that if you're just going to play with templates, do it as a page in your own userspace and label it "test" or similar; then it'll be obvious what's going on. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:21, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- It was using the Template:Mbabel-WIR referenced on Women in Red. And the template when created from a red link puts it on the draft user space. (Creating an article about Lidia Falcon is definitely on my list of things to do. I'll do it on my user space. I just have a series of articles I am working on at User:LauraHale/Template:Women in Francoist Spain first before I start tackling those. :) Anyway, thanks again. :) --LauraHale (talk) 17:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Les Reed (songwriter)
On 16 April 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Les Reed (songwriter), which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
Stephen 23:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Your input sought
I am considering another RfA in 2019. Next year is an Olympic year, so by this time next year I need to make a firm decision whether to participate as a media representative, as I did in 2012 and 2016. This will affect my personal and work commitments in 2019 and 2020. Given past experience of what is involved, I do not think I should accept without the admin bit. Before I even go to ORCP, I am seeking the input of a small number of people who gave well-reasoned opposes at my last RfA. I am seeking constructive feedback on my editing, and whether you feel I have addressed the concerns that you raised. I take criticism very seriously, and assure you that I will act upon it, regardless of whether I ultimately decide to initiate another RfA. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: I'll start with the positives - your content work is excellent and your track record of FAs can be held up as a shining example of what we should be aiming towards. Now, for the tricky stuff. I remember the previous RfA well, as I had to strike my support !vote. This edit was out of line, this post seems to exhibit a hidden agenda and this comment shows that you are continually demonstrating sour grapes. A key difference between you and RexxS is he's only ever been pulled up for being blunt and forthright while still being right on merits, whereas the comments above have the same effect as trolling. I think your desysop was unfortunate and simply a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it's your attitude since that is problematic. I think if you had responded to questions about your desysop at the last RfA with something like "I over-reacted and used my tools in a situation that was not necessary, and I sincerely apologise for my lack of judgement", you would have probably passed. Although the most recent diff I've presented here is two years old, the general air of mild disruption and contempt towards the RfA process is impossible to ignore, and will cast a long shadow over any future attempt to ask for the tools. I predict if you filed an RfA today, you would probably get 10-20 "hell no" opposes pretty much as soon as the relevant people logged in, and that would cause a huge drama-fest that we really don't need. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Ritchie, do you have any edits less than the nearly 4 years old ones you've found (not two) that demonstrate difficult behaviour? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:59, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- The only thing I can find is "Clearly ArbCom has an unusual definition of "emergency"." which is pretty innocuous and not worth any criticism. However, my point was not really explaining how I would !vote at a subsequent RfA (I don't have an opinion right now) but what sort of audience he can expect if he ran. I don't believe (though I'm happy to stand corrected) that Hawkeye has ever demonstrated remorse for some of the comments above. That would go some way towards convincing more people that this was water under the bridge. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
<-Interesting. I tend to agree that it's never too late to say you've done something bad/stupid and apologise for it. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- I wonder if Patient Zero, Beeblebrox and BlueMoonset (the latter of whom should run for RfA right now) have any further opinions on this? They were strongly critical of your conduct at the 2017 ORCP. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I say this as someone with the utmost respect for your writing, Hawkeye; it's virtually certain that you will face some opposition over the "Jimbo's canned shit" question you asked at multiple RFAs, and for the generally bitter attitude you have expressed about RFA/adminship/ARBCOM in the past couple of years. This isn't to say you shouldn't run; but I think you'll need to revisit (and possibly apologize for) a couple of things, rather than just wait for enough time to pass. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- It was only at one RfA, and I did apologise for it. It was undecorous and a misjudgement; I thought the famous artwork being referenced was far more well-known. I do feel I owe Liz an apology for my belief that she was only interested in running for ArbCom. I don't think you'll find any bitterness in the last couple of years, but I'm always willing to apologise for missteps and mend fences when I can. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I say this as someone with the utmost respect for your writing, Hawkeye; it's virtually certain that you will face some opposition over the "Jimbo's canned shit" question you asked at multiple RFAs, and for the generally bitter attitude you have expressed about RFA/adminship/ARBCOM in the past couple of years. This isn't to say you shouldn't run; but I think you'll need to revisit (and possibly apologize for) a couple of things, rather than just wait for enough time to pass. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- I wonder if Patient Zero, Beeblebrox and BlueMoonset (the latter of whom should run for RfA right now) have any further opinions on this? They were strongly critical of your conduct at the 2017 ORCP. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Beaver Field
That was actually pretty much verbatim for 3 paragraphs, plus a "footnote" consisting of another copy-paste. I've rewritten it and footnoted it properly. If you consider it adequately de-copyvio'd, could I request a rev-delete? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, consider it it rev-deleted. I'm a bit surprised it only got reported as 2% on Earwig, it certainly superficially looked like it had been copied and pasted from somewhere. Curious. In any case, WP:G12 did not apply as the first revision of the article (a redirect) didn't meet the criteria. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:41, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Barnstar of Diplomacy | |
Meta has tried very hard to make an article on Jeff Oster. I appreciate you speaking up for him. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:34, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
Thank you and a question
Thank you for restoring the Jeff Oster page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Oster).
Unfortunately, it is a very dated copy.
I'm assuming I can restore the most recent copy?
Thank you!
Meta in MA (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I created a draft with the most recent content in it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jeff_Oster
What is the proper way of restoring this?
Thanks!
Meta in MA (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's been done. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Meta in MA (talk) 22:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Real ale
You say that you are a real ale drinker which suggests that you are based in Britain. I am a card-carrying member of CAMRA based in Croydon. We should meet up and I will buy you a few halves so you can confirm your view that I am unfit to be an admin. Suggest a venue — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:01, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- Now that's some dispute resolution...question does NewCastle Brown Ale count as a real ale? It's one of my favorites and one I'm having tonight! Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- Newky Brown? No, it comes in a bottle, and although it's technically an ale, you won't see it offered at a CAMRA style pub, which serves beers direct from kegs with strange names like these.
- Anyway, I think "unfit to be an admin" is a little strong; it's like when one of my kids has thumped the other one, called them names or been generally obnoxious - I'd give them a right telling off, but I wouldn't say they were "unfit to be my son". I'm busy for the next couple of weekends, but sure I'm up for a pint, and Croydon is easy to get to via Thameslink. I miss Beanos. I have previously said you're a nice guy and on the few times I've met you, we've had a pleasant chat about London pubs and architecture. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:23, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Special Barnstar | |
For being brilliant all round Whispyhistory (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
- Ain't Wikipedia brilliant! It's fantastic, what it is like, is this big online encyclopedia that everyone can edit, it's fantastic, you used to have to get these old encyclopedias of me mam's shelf, now you just search for stuff. Brilliant! Ain't searching brilliant, you can find whatever you want, fantastic. Vandalism - brilliant, what is like is people come along to articles and write crap in them, then someone else comes along and reverts it - BRILLIANT! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:24, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Copyvio tagging without Earwig assistance
Hi Ritchie, apologies if this is a bad question, but I'm returning to new page reviewing after not being active for a while and would just like some advice.
I came across Beaver Field as a recreated redirect at the "oldest" end of the Feed. I was very suspicious of it from a copyvio standpoint because it was so detailed but completely unsourced. Earwig gave me nothing but I googled a few particularly significant phrases and – bingo, it was a copyvio of a book. So I used Page Curation to tag it with {{speedy deletion-copyright violation}} including the url= parameter to link the GBook in question.
You declined the speedy deletion on the basis that Earwig gave you only 2% – fair enough in most cases, but here there was a clear violation that I was trying to draw attention to.
Now in the end, I presume someone drew your attention to what was going on because you revdeled the relevant revisions.
That leaves me with two questions: first, if a recreated redirect has a copyvio in its only post-redirect revision, should I CSD tag or is it preferred to get a revdel? If so, what the preferred was of requesting that? Second, assuming that the only revision of a brand new page is a copyvio, but nothing on Earwig, is there a way to draw the reviewing admin's attention to this fact? Triptothecottage (talk) 00:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- As said a couple of threads above this one, the tool didn't report it as a copyvio, but something still didn't seem right. If I had a dog, it would probably bark at the article. Yngvadottir has rewritten the stub, so all is well.
- Anyway, to answer your questions. Firstly, CSDs generally are only applicable if they can apply to every revision of the article. In this case, because the first revision (a redirect) could not possibly be a copyvio, G12 would not apply. Instead we can simply roll back to an earlier version. Secondly, if you are convinced there is a blatant copyvio, but can't see evidence from the software tools, put as much information as you can in the tag, or use the talk page. Unfortunately, Template:db-g12 doesn't support a "notes" field, which makes adding extra information that needs to be drawn to administrators' attention somewhat difficult. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- So I take it you looked at the Earwig link generated by the template and didn’t check the GBook itself that I had linked? The link I gave showed the copy paste pretty clearly to a human eye. Looks like Earwig doesn’t parse GBook text. I’ll use the talk page in future then for similar situations.
- In any case, thanks for the clarification about G12 use. Triptothecottage (talk) 09:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- I seem to recall I was having difficulty accessing the Google Books link to validate the copyvio. In retrospect, I probably should have just restored the redirect and put in a note in saying "copyvio suspected" or similar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:55, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, both. I suspect Ritchie is right and that Earwig's tool can't see the text in Google Books. This may also be an instance of geographical differences in what one can see; I am in the US. (Of course, it could also simply be Google being bloody-minded.) @Triptothecottage: in case Ritchie still can't see the text, can you check my rewrite is sufficiently distant from the original? I also dropped a note on StateLionPro's user talk; you didn't think to tell them about the speedy nomination, and they may not have realized copyvio is a serious no-no. At any rate, now they know! Also, Ritchie, I've asked them about their user name. That state university's sports teams are the Nittany Lions. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- I seem to recall I was having difficulty accessing the Google Books link to validate the copyvio. In retrospect, I probably should have just restored the redirect and put in a note in saying "copyvio suspected" or similar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:55, 19 April 2019 (UTC)