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::There is no "inaccessibility" involved, as KML is only used on pages with microformats. Far better to use an external tool which is giving valid information, than an internal one which is not. Though your comment reminds me - you ave still to properly answer my question, above. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 13:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC) |
::There is no "inaccessibility" involved, as KML is only used on pages with microformats. Far better to use an external tool which is giving valid information, than an internal one which is not. Though your comment reminds me - you ave still to properly answer my question, above. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 13:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Why would [[Keyhole Markup Language|KML]] be for microformat pages only?? All coordinates on Wikipedia can be converted to KML and they have nothing to do with microformats. You may have created the template, but you do not control its use, and where anyone envisages or advocates this template to be used in is irrelevant. A link to a KML exporter can be seen useful with any article that has coordinates, and it is thus applicable to them all. Your edits are disruptive, as usual. --[[User:Paradisal|Para]] 13:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Awarded for helping Wikipedia users find their places in the world. SEWilco 21:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC) |
("Para") recently changed the target of the first link in this template, from Brian Suda's site, to one which Para apparently hosts himself. The latter provides KML files with the "name" property of "Geodata from Wikipedia"; whereas Brian's site uses the page title, for example "List of volcanoes in the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The loss of such useful data should be rectified, or the original link restored.
I'm also waiting for Para to answer my question about what exactly it is, that his service parses. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 11:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- Name changed to page title. I have already answered[1][2] your parsing question that the service parses coordinates from Wikipedia articles. Brian's script seems to rely on microformats only and is incapable of converting other coordinates, unlike my tool. Feel free to notify me if you notice missing information with some article. --Para 20:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I asked you to be explicit about how you were deriving the coordinates. You have, so far, avoided answering that question. Please do so now. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 21:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- It's a work in progress and the implementation can change at any time, which is why explaining the internals is not necessary or even relevant. The purpose of the tool is to parse any Wikipedia coordinates entered with community approved templates and generate a KML out of them. It is designed for Wikipedia use only, and covers more cases than the other more general use tool. That's as explicit as you'll get. If you notice missing information somewhere, feel free to post an improvement request for consideration. --Para 08:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- I note that you're refusing to give a direct answer to my question. I wonder why that is. Is there something you're trying to hide? What is you definition of "community approved templates", and what other templates are you excluding? Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Bug
As noted on WP:TR#Bug?, this template currently fails to work on pages with brackets (parentheses) in page names; e.g. Splashdown (spacecraft landing); possibly caused by Para in this edit. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 11:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. It was working when I added the KML template was added to the page, whatever date that was. I'm not bothering to check, as if it's broken now that's what is important. (SEWilco 04:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC))
- Someone has fixed it. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 11:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Labelling
Authors of parsing tools might consider using article titles, section headings, and table headings to generate KML files with data in labeled groups. In List of impact craters in the United States and Central America there could obviously be three groups used: "United States", "Central America", "Unconfirmed impact craters". This would be particularly useful with larger lists. (SEWilco 18:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC))
Another bug
From M42_motorway, which has coordinates with precision to 4 decimal places, Para's tool is producing KML with 5 decimal places, wrongly appending a zero (and thereby falsely implying such precision) to all values. Brian Suda's version, which Para replaced in this template, with one of his own making, is correctly using four DPs. I've restored the original, until we see when and if Para can fix this bug. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 10:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- A minor issue with appended zeros is hardly a reason to make thousands of coordinates inaccessible to users [3], as the Suda tool only supports microformats and is not Wikipedia specific. Anyhow, fixed. --Para 12:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- There is no "inaccessibility" involved, as KML is only used on pages with microformats. Far better to use an external tool which is giving valid information, than an internal one which is not. Though your comment reminds me - you ave still to properly answer my question, above. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Why would KML be for microformat pages only?? All coordinates on Wikipedia can be converted to KML and they have nothing to do with microformats. You may have created the template, but you do not control its use, and where anyone envisages or advocates this template to be used in is irrelevant. A link to a KML exporter can be seen useful with any article that has coordinates, and it is thus applicable to them all. Your edits are disruptive, as usual. --Para 13:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)