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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.
DYK criteria
Unofficial criteria: LaPella's unwritten rules
- DYK evaluation includes:
- Length - The Article should contain at least 1,500 characters in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). This is a mandatory minimum; in practice, articles having more than 1,500 characters of prose still may be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators.
- Verification - The DYK hook fact in the article needs an inline cite at the end of the sentence and the article in general should use inline, cited sources.
- Date - The new article should be no more than five days old and the expanded article should be expanded at least fivefold with new text within the last five days.
- Length
- DYK qualifying characters: To count the number of characters in a piece of text, you will need to use a JavaScript extension like User:Dr pda/prosesize.js (instructions on the talk page), a free website like this, or an external software program that has a character-counting feature. For example, if you are using Microsoft Word, select the text from the article page (or, in the case of "Did you know" nominations, this Talk page) – not the edit page containing Wikitext – then copy and paste it into a blank document. Click "Tools" ("Review" in Office 2007), then "Word Count", and note the "Characters (with spaces)" figure. Other word processing programs may have a similar feature. For Mac users, Apple has a Word counter widget available for Mac OS X 10.4 or later. Note: The character counts indicated on "Revision history" pages are not accurate for DYK purposes as they include categories, infoboxes and similar text in articles, and comments and signatures in hooks on this page.
- Lists: Proposed lists need 1,500+ characters of prose text. The listed items themselves are not counted as part the the 1,500 DYK qualifying characters
- Verification
- Suggested facts (the 'hook') should be:
- interesting to draw in a variety of readers,
- short and concise (fewer than about 200 characters, including spaces),
- neutral,
- definite facts that are mentioned in the article, and
- always cited in the article with an inline citation.
- Please note that hooks are subject without notice to copyediting as they move to the main page. The nature of the DYK process makes it impractical to consult users over every such edit. In particular, hooks will be shortened if they are deemed too long: the 200-character limit is an outside limit not a recommended length. Also, watch the suggestions page to ensure that no issues have been raised about your hook, because if you do not respond to issues raised your hook may not be featured at all.
- Articles on living individuals must be carefully checked to ensure that no unsourced or poorly sourced negative material is included. Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided.
- Suggested facts (the 'hook') should be:
- Other issues
- Pictures: Pictures accompanying the DYK hook should be:
- freely licensed suitably and freely (PD, GFDL, CC etc) licensed (NOT fair use) because the main page can only have freely licensed pictures;
- suitable, attractive, and interesting at a 100x100px-wide resolution;
- already in the article; and
- relevant to the article.
- Pictures: Pictures accompanying the DYK hook should be:
- Sounds: Sounds accompanying the DYK hook should have similar qualities to pictures, and should be formatted using
{{DYK Listen|filename.ogg|Brief description}}
- Sounds: Sounds accompanying the DYK hook should have similar qualities to pictures, and should be formatted using
Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.
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- To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook:
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- To add the article you reviewed:
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- To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook:
Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
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- When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
- Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
- If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name|May 28}} Thanks, ~~~~
Symbols
If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or that there is an issue with the article or hook, you may use the following symbols (optional) to point the issues out:
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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on December 2
Mike Trusson
Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
British Bulldog revolver
Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Daedalea quercina
Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 1
National Hunger March, 1932
- Length confirmed, abundancy of references, interesting hook. May want a tiny bit more tweaking with the hook for it to be perfect. Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 01:03, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Alexandru Macedonski
Note: there are other facts in the article that could make for an interesting hook: him supposedly being the first modern European to have used free verse; his enthusiasm for cycling; his bitter debates with other writers; him being generally seen as one of the two greatest Romanian poets etc etc. So feel free to rework the hook or create others, but please let me know before you do. Dahn (talk) 01:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Worcester Common Outlets
Ingrid Semmingsen
Ascot-Pullin 500
Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Without all the references, the article is too short. Please expand. Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 22:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Also, the reference for the hook fact is a dead link. And therefore, I also don't know if "ohv" should be linked to overhead valve or off highway vehicle ("ohv single" does need an explanation). Art LaPella (talk) 01:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Lakes in Bangalore
Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I would suggest alternative "... that the lakes in Bangalore have been largely encroached by urban infrastructure resulting in existence of only 17 good lakes as against 51 healthy lakes in 1985?" Raise lkblr (talk) 06:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Both these hooks are pretty long and convoluted. How about something like:
- ALT2: ... that recent restoration efforts were said to have "breathed new life" into Ulsoor Lake, one of the largest lakes in Bangalore? —Politizer talk/contribs 06:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Urbach-Wiethe disease
Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Bovista plumbea
- The article appears to be at 2999 characters....I'll try to modify the hook, though...Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 17:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I believe I cleared that up now, too...want to check it again? Maybe I should change the hook to something about common names... Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 18:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- (ALT1)... that Bovista plumbea, also known as the "paltry puffball", was considered as a means to attain penicillin? Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 22:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Andrew McKelvey
Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
List of Presidents of India
Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Battle of Metz
Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: The German Army link isn't too good, since it links to the modern German Army. Manxruler (talk) 07:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
.44 Webley
- ... that Lt. Col George Custer carried a pair of .44 Webley revolvers at the Battle of the Little Bighorn? Created by Trekphiler 1 December, joint nom by Trekphiler & Commander Zulu (who contributed this factoid). TREKphiler hit me ♠ 09:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- This article currently isn't long enough for Did You Know. Please see #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 01:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Also, the article is currently marked as a stub, which is another DYK disqualifying factor. Nsk92 (talk) 02:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I'm prepared to del the stub tag, added as a default (given I'm unsure what qualifies as non-stub). Some correction/add is in train. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 06:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Added some, del stub tag. Also, now at .442 Webley, the more common name, I'm told. (My NeoOffice counts almost 1800 chars as it stands now.) TREKphiler hit me ♠ 07:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Scorpion Pass Massacre
Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Bǎ construction
Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Serenity High School
Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Alternative hook, if space is an issue the day this is posted: ... that Serenity High School is the oldest public substance-abuse recovery high school in Texas? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Chinese exclamative particles
Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the refs you added are not inline citations, so they can't be accepted for DYK. Also, I don't know if Dict.cn, iciba, and similar dictionary websites (like n词酷.com) qualify a reliable sources. But anyway, something like the etymology of 嘿, even though it's something that every Chinese speaker knows, for the purposes of DYK still needs to be cited with an inline footnote to a reliable source. —Politizer talk/contribs 06:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Also, the article link is missing. "Unwritten" Rule B1. Art LaPella (talk) 01:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Odontoglossum crispum
- ... that Odontoglossum crispum (pictured) is an epiphytic orchid found at altitudes above 6,000 feet (1,800 m) in clearings and at the edges of the montane forest of Colombia? -- New article by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk · contribs), hook by PFHLai (talk) 15:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- (alt.hook)... that the orchid Odontoglossum crispum (pictured), first discovered in the high Andes Mountains in 1841, was highly sought after in Victorian England, with varieties sold at more than 150 guineas at auctions? -- New article by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk · contribs), alt.hook by PFHLai (talk) 15:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Your Friend the Rat
- About 1400 to about 3000 characters isn't a five-fold expansion (if I counted right). That's three-fold. Needs more expanding. – RyanCross (talk) 06:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- You did count right, and even if you didn't it wouldn't matter because the [less than] three-fold expansion took place on November 12. The article hasn't even been edited at all in over 2 weeks. —Politizer talk/contribs 06:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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- I added the article now because I only recently understood the concept of DYK. I have the short and expanded the Page a lot and I think it deserves to be on the DYK because it's interesting and is very well sourced. I don't think it can be expanded 5x more, but it deserves the attention of the community. Please consider puting it on the DYK. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Charles Ranken
Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 02:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Durham Performing Arts Center
Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 02:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 30
Westland Dreadnought
Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
**ALT1:
Barony of Ladyland
Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
**ALT1:
Shokichi Natsui
Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
**ALT1: ... that Shokichi Natsui (pictured), the first Judo World Champion, used a combined match time of only 63 seconds to defeat four opponents and qualify him for the final?
- Variation on ALT1: ... that Shokichi Natsui (pictured), the first Judo World Champion, qualified for the final after defeating four opponents in a total combined time of only 63 seconds? Yomanganitalk 10:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Lisa the Vegetarian
Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- A little bit short of 5x...before expansion was 3551, now is somewhere in the 15,000 range. It needs to be 17,500. —Politizer talk/contribs 16:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, how about "Paul McCartney's condition for guest starring in The Simpsons episode "Lisa the Vegetarian" was that Lisa, who becomes a vegetarian in the episode, remain one for the rest of the series?" -- Scorpion0422 17:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Spence Broughton
Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Tadeusz Pyka
Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Richard Haddock
Westbury Court Garden
Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
List of towns and cities in Devon by population
... that the city of Plymouth (pictured) is the largest settlement in Devon, England, with a population of 240,720 in the 2001 census? Created by myself, Jolly Janner (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Cyril Pullin
Anne-Lise Seip and Jens Arup Seip
Template:DYKsuggestion 18:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Midnight Madness (basketball)
Template:DYKsuggestion--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Clewer Mill Stream
Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Loyal B. Stearns
Steamboats of the upper Columbia and Kootenay Rivers
University of Plano
Template:DYKsuggestion Alansohn (talk) 05:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Erie Land Light
Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the tower of Erie Land Light (pictured) had to be replaced twice because it kept sinking into the ground?
Overchoice
Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Go Down Death
- ... that the title of the 1944 race film Go Down Death derives from a poem by the African American writer James Weldon Johnson? (New article, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Yellagonga Regional Park
Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 05:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Imero Fiorentino
Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 05:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 29
Irish immigration to Puerto Rico
- ... that the Royal Decree of Graces of 1815 and the Irish Potato Famine of the 1840s contributed to the vast Irish immigration to Puerto Rico.?
- Note - I rewrote and and expanded this article to the extent that it is practically a "new" article. Self-nom: Tony the Marine (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- "Unwritten" Rule A3. Art LaPella (talk) 01:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Even though I consider this unfair (after all the work I put into it), I do understand that it requires a lot of work to verify the lengths of expanded articles, therefore I have taken the liberty to make such a task easier by providing the following information: Old Version(Pre-Nov. 29th = 9,350 bytes; New Version = 19,494 bytes. Please reconsider. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I consider my job to be counting characters and such, rather than ruling on gray areas, so I wouldn't object to being overruled. However, in my experience, they don't approve articles that are expanded about twofold, rather than fivefold as specified in the #Instructions. As the main page puts it: "Did you know... From Wikipedia's newest articles", not from the most expanded articles. By the way, we count "prose only", so the old version is 4,563 and the current version is about 12,000. (2.6-fold expansion). Art LaPella (talk) 02:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Irving P. Krick
Template:DYKsuggestion - Sorry, cannot bypass the 5x expansion hardcoded into template. Anyway, all the edits are within a little over 24 hours. NVO (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Why not craft a hook about the work that Krick himself did (for example, forecasting weather for both D-Day and the filming of Gone with the Wind), rather than putting it all on the Caltech Meteorology department? --Orlady (talk) 21:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Romantic Pieces (Dvořák)
- ... that Antonín Dvořák premiered the piano part of his composition Romantic Pieces on 30 March 1887, at the chamber concert at the Umělecká beseda in Prague? -- self-nom by --Vejvančický (talk) 20:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- ALT ... that Antonín Dvořák arranged his Romantic Pieces from a trio he originally wrote to play with his neighbors? -- more interesting hook by Hrdinský. (Thank you) --Vejvančický (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Edward Vaux, 4th Baron Vaux of Harrowden
Template:DYKsuggestion - PKM (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
List of Cleveland Cavaliers head coaches
- ... that Bill Musselman and Gene Littles each have a record of 4 wins and 11 losses while coaching the Cleveland Cavaliers? new article, nominators are User:SRE.K.A.L.24 and User:Chrishomingtang. -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24[c] 05:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- My word processor counted 1517 characters in the prose part of the article, so I guess it qualifies on length. Date also is OK. It looks to me like the two named "nominators" both would deserve to be credited as "creators." I did not check the source(s) for the hook fact. --Orlady (talk) 06:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Pls note that Bill Musselman had a different record in the 1980–81 NBA season. --74.14.20.24 (talk) 16:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Try a hook about the abysmal record of Chuck Daly, who is now a Hall of Fame coach. :) --74.14.20.24 (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT: ... that Don Delaney, Keith Smart, and Mike Brown have spent their entire National Basketball Association coaching careers with the Cavaliers? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 19:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- That last alt hook sounded interesting until I found out that their NBA coaching careers were not particularly long. --Orlady (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Most of these nominations related to the NBA are like that. Laugh out loud. -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24[c] 01:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)- How do you define "their entire National Basketball Association coaching careers"? If you count time as an assistant coach, the ALT hook above is not true. --74.14.18.48 (talk) 05:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Most of these nominations related to the NBA are like that. Laugh out loud. -- SRE.K.A
- That last alt hook sounded interesting until I found out that their NBA coaching careers were not particularly long. --Orlady (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that Chuck Daly (pictured), currently in the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach, had a record of 9 wins and 32 losses before he was fired as the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers early in his NBA career? --74.14.18.48 (talk) 05:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I like Alt hook #2 best personally. The article's over 1500 characters, but barely. It's a lil iffy to me, any chance of expansion? I can try expanding it a bit myself if need be, Wizardman 05:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- The hook is not cited. -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24[c] 06:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- The hook is not cited. -- SRE.K.A
- I like Alt hook #2 best personally. The article's over 1500 characters, but barely. It's a lil iffy to me, any chance of expansion? I can try expanding it a bit myself if need be, Wizardman 05:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that Don Delaney, Keith Smart, and Mike Brown have spent their entire National Basketball Association head coaching careers with the Cavaliers?
Illana Katz
Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- "Some believe" is a circumlocution that one would be sorry to see exhibited on Wikipedia's front page, after long hours revising it out of article texts.--Wetman (talk) 06:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- A difference between a DYK hook and article text is that the DYK hook is designed to hook and draw in a variety of readers to click through the article. I felt that the use of an unspecified quantity in the hook might help raise interest in a Main Page viewer and be a more accurate characterization of the issue. It's not uncommon for DYK hooks to use "some". See Wikipedia:Recent additions and the numbered recent additions. -- Suntag ☼ 18:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Of course, the easy ALT for this would be something like "that Illana Katz is known for suggesting that Albert Einstein had autism"... but I do think that a hook focusing more on Einstein than Katz (as Suntag's original hook does) would get more hits. So how about:
- ALT1: ... that Albert Einstein may have suffered from autism, according to writer Illana Katz? —Politizer talk/contribs 19:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I think the original hook would get more click throughs, but perhaps does offend the sense of some (no pun intended). I'm fine with the ALT1 hook. -- Suntag ☼
- There's nothing in the article to suggest that he "suffered". Here's another alternative to consider:
- ALT2: ... that Albert Einstein may have had autism, according to writer Illana Katz?
- --Orlady (talk) 20:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- "Suffered from X" is common PC talk in the mental health field; if everyone prefers "had X" I'm fine with that. —Politizer talk/contribs 23:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- One can have a disease but not necessarily suffer. Sometimes it's the people around the sick person who suffer. Let's use the verb "have" as it's less likely to be incorrect. --74.14.18.48 (talk) 05:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- "Suffered from X" is common PC talk in the mental health field; if everyone prefers "had X" I'm fine with that. —Politizer talk/contribs 23:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Be careful where you put "(pictured)". That's Albert Einstein, not Illana Katz, in the photo. --74.14.18.48 (talk) 05:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
National Waterways Museum, Ellesmere Port
- ... that the National Waterways Museum, Ellesmere Port, in Cheshire, England, (pictured) contains the largest collection of canal boats in the world? New article, self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Edward William Pritchard
Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:57, 29 November 2008 (CET)
- ALT (to avoid implying someone else was publicly executed in Glasgow after 1865 for a different crime)... that in 1865, Dr Edward William Pritchard, having poisoned his wife and mother-in-law, became the last person to be publicly executed in Glasgow? --74.14.18.55 (talk) 22:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Bob Blake (ice hockey)
Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
HMS Agamemnon (1781)
Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the Royal Navy ship of the line HMS Agamemnon ran aground in both the first and second Battles of Copenhagen in 1801 and 1807, respectively? —97198 (talk) 11:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- I like it - it's a bit less clunky sounding. Martocticvs (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
midnight regulations
Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- No mention of "dozens" in the the article (thousand of pages and three examples are mentioned), plus the use of the present tense suggests news rather than an encyclopaedia article; unless the actions are in the past there is an unverifiable, fortune-telling element to the hook. Yomanganitalk 01:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
John F. Kelly
Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- Alternate 1: ... that John F. Kelly's 2003 promotion to brigadier general while in Iraq was the first promotion of a U.S. Marine Corps colonel in an active combat zone since Chesty Puller promotion in 1951 during the Korean War?
- Alternate 2: ... that John F. Kelly's 2003 promotion to brigadier general while in Iraq was the first promotion of a U.S. Marine Corps colonel in an active combat zone since Chesty Puller's 1951 Korean War promotion?
- — ERcheck (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- A 216-character hook? Pls shorten a bit. Perhaps remove the months? --74.14.18.55 (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Karen Vogtmann
Template:DYKsuggestion Nsk92 (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- ALT hook: ... that a mathematician Karen Vogtmann co-authored a paper which produced a method for quantifying the difference and computing the distance between two phylogenetic trees? —- Nsk92 (talk) 14:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Quantum pseudo-telepathy
Camp of Great Poland
Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
MGP Nordic 2008
Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
James Godkin
Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 03:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 28
The Bronze Horseman (poem)
Template:DYKsuggestion -Oreo Priest talk 19:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Expansion is not 5x (was 2200, is now 9500; 11,000 needed). —Politizer talk/contribs 05:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Seriously? That's like 4 1/2 times instead of 5. -Oreo Priest talk 07:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- And on top of that, I count 14000 characters. Seems like a valid expansion to me. -Oreo Priest talk 07:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Seriously. 5x is the rule, and if we pass your hook with 4 1/2 then the next guy will want us to pass his at 4, etc. etc. 5x expansion is the rule, just like 1500-character minimum is the rule. Plus, in this article, the difference between 4.5x and 5x is about 1500 characters, which is far from trivial. And as for your 14,000 characters, you are counting the entire character count (including references and markup); only the "readable prose" (content within <p></p> tags) counts towards DYK, and counting that sort of text the article is only 9489. For more on the 5x expansion and how we count characters, see User:Art LaPella/Unwritten rules#Unwritten article length rules and #Instructions. —Politizer talk/contribs 07:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Expansion is not 5x (was 2200, is now 9500; 11,000 needed). —Politizer talk/contribs 05:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Forage fish
Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
The sources for the hook fact are not particularly reliable (e.g., spacedaily.com). Also, more significantly, some chunks of the article seem to have been copypasted from cited sources, including spacedaily.com and treehugger.com. That's a serious issue, with or without DYK.--Orlady (talk) 05:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Oops. The copy violation was very remiss of me, and has been reworded. The sources have been changed—the source document has only just become available online. --Geronimo20 (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Normally when there's been one instance of copyvio in the article then I consider the entire article suspect until someone has gone through and checked every sentence (which is probably never gonna happen for a long article like this). But given that Geronimo20 is a well-established editor, I think we can take it on good faith if he/she can assure us that there is no more copy/pasted content anywhere in the article. —Politizer talk/contribs 06:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, ashes and atonement time. This has been a horribly tedious punishment, but I have gone though this article line by line, sentence by sentence, almost phrase by phrase, and I can now categorically assert that there are no copy violations in this article, and in addition that not one single unquoted sentence in this article, no matter how short, exists anywhere else in the entire web, and further, that the first half of every longer sentence is a start to a sentence that no one, ever, has written before (at least as far as the web is concerned). --Geronimo20 (talk) 13:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Just to add to your woes the hook could do with some work: forage fish as defined by the article feed more than just the "world's great marine predators". Which are the "great" marine predators, anyway? "now being removed...on an industrial scale". When's "now" start? The fishing industry has been around for a long time. "being fed to farmed fish, pigs, and poultry" and to many other species too, including humans. I'd pick another fact to build the hook around. Yomanganitalk 14:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Saxon Brother War
Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Stephen Gardner Champlin
Template:DYKsuggestion AdjustShift (talk) 07:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Wessagusset Colony
Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- (alt) ... that Wessagusset, the second colony in Massachusetts, was abandoned after less than a year? same info ... but shorter Victuallers (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- (alt) Or go a completely different direction: ... that Wessagusset Colony was the site of Miles Standish's real-life attack against Indians as depicted in Longfellow's poem The Courtship of Miles Standish?
William Vaux, 3rd Baron Vaux of Harrowden
, DYK articles are not allowed to be listed as Stub Articles Duke R. Oliver I His Duchy 21:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- Oops, that was a bad copy-and-paste on my part of the WP:BIO template from another article. Stub classification removed. : And I forgot to put (pictured) in the hook, which makes it too long, so...
- ALT: ... that William Vaux, 3rd Baron Vaux of Harrowden (pictured) was an English recusant committed to the Fleet prison and fined £1,000 by the Privy Council for harbouring the Jesuit Edmund Campion?
- ALT #2: ... that William Vaux, 3rd Baron Vaux (pictured) was an English recusant committed to the Fleet prison and fined £1,000 by Queen Elizabeth I's Privy Council for harbouring the Jesuit Edmund Campion? - PKM (talk) 04:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- (alt): ... that William Vaux, 3rd Baron Vaux (pictured) was imprisoned and fined £1,000 by Queen Elizabeth for harbouring the Jesuit Edmund Campion? it doesnt have to have every fact in the hook Victuallers (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Apodemius
Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Hurricane Holly (1969)
Template:DYKsuggestion I made this article in January and now I have de merged it and it had more that 13x of the bytes of the original article.--Irmela08 16:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- Dull hook. Daniel Case (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- How 'bout "... that Hurricane Holly of 1969was the first of only two times the name was used before being eliminated, even though it was never formally retired?" Circeus (talk) 21:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Let's Make The Water Turn Black
Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- No inline citation for that fact. Also, the references need cleaned up (bare URLs, etc). —Politizer talk/contribs 15:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- And the first footnote is to one of our own articles. Major no-no. Daniel Case (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
America's Incredible Pizza Company
- ... that America's Incredible Pizza Company was named one of the top five entertainment centers in the world by the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions? five-fold expansion, self-nom. Cunard (talk) 07:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- This hook sounds advertisement-y to me...but then again, everything else in the article is more advertisement-y, so this is probably the best possible hook. I won't reject it, but I think I'll have to leave it up to someone else to verify it. —Politizer talk/contribs 04:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I don't believe that this article is "advertisement-y". Could you point to where I could clean up the tone of this article? I'm pretty sure I wrote it in a neutral point of view. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- The tone of the article is all fine, it's mostly just the content is mostly stuff that I personally find advertisement-like...but, in an article about a business establishment, I guess it's unavoidable. —Politizer talk/contribs 05:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I think the article is fine for DYK, even though it reads "advertisement-y". I also like the original hook - "A place I never heard of is one of the top five entertainment centers in the world/ I gotta click through and find out what's going on." Focusing on what the business presently has to offer makes the article advertisy. Instead of puting the information under separate sections (which also makes it appear advertisement-like), rearrange each sentence under one heading ("History") and in chronolical order. For the non dated elements such as Food and games, some should go in the lead after summarizing the history and the rest should go at the very end of the article after the history. The reader should come away from the article with a sense of how the business grew and what it experienced during that growth. It is the cronological order that tells the story and makes for an interesting read. -- Suntag ☼ 20:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- ALT1 that America's Incredible Pizza Company is the primary sponsor of #11 CJM Racing in the NASCAR Nationwide Series? Cunard (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Lots of companies sponsor racing teams; that's hardly unusual or interesting. Daniel Case (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- ALT2 that America's Incredible Pizza Company, a pizza buffet and entertainment center, grew out of an idea from a lonely boy who wished his father would have attended one of his hockey games? Cunard (talk) 19:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that the six-year old Springfield, Missouri, start up America's Incredible Pizza Company now requires 250 employees and costs $5–9 million to open up at a new location? (please reword this as needed). -- Suntag ☼ 20:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Lots of companies sponsor racing teams; that's hardly unusual or interesting. Daniel Case (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I don't believe that this article is "advertisement-y". Could you point to where I could clean up the tone of this article? I'm pretty sure I wrote it in a neutral point of view. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- This hook sounds advertisement-y to me...but then again, everything else in the article is more advertisement-y, so this is probably the best possible hook. I won't reject it, but I think I'll have to leave it up to someone else to verify it. —Politizer talk/contribs 04:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
DGF Flensborg
- ... that the German football club Dansk Gymnastik Forening Flensborg, founded in 1923, is a club of the Danish minority of Southern Schleswig? new article, self-nom, EA210269 (talk) 05:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- The nearest cited source (yes, the German-language history) doesn't say anything about it being a Danish-minority organization. Daniel Case (talk) 16:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought, the fact that it has a Danish name, wellcomes people to their website in Danish (Velkommen på DGF Flensborgs hjemmeside) and has the logo of the Danish minoritys organisation on the front page of its website would give that much away. I see if I can find a better source. EA210269 (talk) 00:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 27
Flyable Heart
Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Length verified. The article uses a lot of self-published sources, but all in the plot & characters section, so I'm willing to overlook it. But, the critical reference (ref 3, which is the reference for the hook fact and is also the only third-party ref in the entire article) is awkward; it doesn't provide an article title or anything like that. I would like to see that clarified before I take further action on this. —Politizer talk/contribs 08:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well, that's actually a preview in a magazine, so if there's gonna be any titles it would be the game's title (I guess I'll go ahead and add that in there), but otherwise I wouldn't know what to put there (looking at some western video game magazines, there doesn't appear to be titles for previews too). -- クラウド668 08:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've changed them to use the {{citation}} template instead and added Flyable Heart review in as the title, hopefully that will work. Thanks for pointing it out. -- クラウド668 08:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- It looks better now; I mainly wanted titles in there because without titles it looked as if the source was the Wikipedia article for Dengeki magazine.
- Although I said earlier that I didn't mind the SPS, I am thinking now that I am a bit concerned about the preponderance of those kinds of sources. Since there are so few third-party sources, the article doesn't do very much to establish the notability of its subject (which, of course, is hard or impossible to do, given that the game isn't out yet). I'd like to sit around for a bit and see what other reviewers have to say about that. —Politizer talk/contribs 08:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well, being Japanese media (visual novel, in particular, which is usually not reported by western sources, and on top of that not yet released as you've pointed out), it's not really exposed to much online sources. I do know that it's also previewed in other print magazines (published by other companies), but I wasn't able to obtain those. -- クラウド668 08:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've changed them to use the {{citation}} template instead and added Flyable Heart review in as the title, hopefully that will work. Thanks for pointing it out. -- クラウド668 08:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Zhao Jing (Tang Dynasty)
- ... that the career of the Tang Dynasty official Zhao Jing was launched after he received praise for his petition for frugality for the funerals of Emperor Xuanzong and Emperor Suzong? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Expiring noms
Articles created/expanded on November 26
Shigeko Higashikuni
Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- Suggest: "current Emperor Akihito of Japan" --> "Akihito, the reigning Emperor of Japan". We don't have another Emperor Akihito in the past, do we? --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. Have made change. --MChew (talk) 14:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- The hook is sourced to a geocities site. On a side note, the referencing style was a bit sloppy when I first checked the article (no title given for the Time source, for example); in the future please make sure to provide properly formatted references when you nominate. —Politizer talk/contribs 21:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Evolution: The Musical!
Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- Article length is more than ample and creation date is OK, but the only source for the plot summary (including the hook fact) is a link to a copy of the movie itself. --Orlady (talk) 17:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Almost all of the 4409-byte character count comes from an overly long and detailed plot summary that needs to be cut down. There is a tiny bit of info on production; the rest of the content is gone, I removed it because it was either a) unnecessary actor bios, or b) quotes from reviews. The article doesn't establish notability and the "press section" doesn't actually describe and summarize the response to and criticism of the film, it only lists links to other reviews. Finally, out of the three refs given, one is IMDB and one is the film itself. This article can't be passed without a lot of improvement. —Politizer talk/contribs 20:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 25
Monarchies in the Americas
- ... that there are currently ten monarchies in the Americas, which all have Elizabeth II as their head of state? -- new article self-nom by --Cameron* 20:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
- Suggest moving/re-naming to "Monarchies in the Americas". --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- Article (and thus the hook) is confusing. It appears to me (from the article) that there are 12 countries in the Americas headed by monarchs (I would not have called these "monarchies," but I assume that someone has verified that the nomenclature is correct), of which 10 are headed by Queen Elizabeth II. Some parts of the article refer to the total of 12, but in other places the total is given as 10. If there are twelve monarchies, then the hook should say:
- ALT ... that there are currently twelve monarchies in the Americas, of which ten have Elizabeth II as their head of state?
- --Orlady (talk) 05:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Manual of style suggests the number should be written as 10 and 12, not ten and twelve. – How do you turn this on (talk) 16:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- I interpret MOS:NUM#Numbers as figures or words to say either is acceptable. "... numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words ... " Art LaPella (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- There are no inline citations for these numbers, and reviewers (not to mention readers) should not be expected to have to count stuff like that. If the only verification available is the fact that there are 12 sources each calling some other country a monarchy, then that isn't really enough to claim that there are exactly 12 monarchies (it would only mean that there are at least 12 monarchies). —Politizer talk/contribs 20:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Manual of style suggests the number should be written as 10 and 12, not ten and twelve. – How do you turn this on (talk) 16:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Article (and thus the hook) is confusing. It appears to me (from the article) that there are 12 countries in the Americas headed by monarchs (I would not have called these "monarchies," but I assume that someone has verified that the nomenclature is correct), of which 10 are headed by Queen Elizabeth II. Some parts of the article refer to the total of 12, but in other places the total is given as 10. If there are twelve monarchies, then the hook should say:
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