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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on October 19
Stand Up Comedy (song)
- ... that the U2 song "Stand Up Comedy" was recreated so many times that six different songs were written as a result?
Created by MelicansMatkin (talk), Suede67 (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
1896 Meiji-Sanriku earthquake
- ... that the 1896 Meiji-Sanriku earthquake caused the most devastating tsunami in Japanese history, destroying about 9,000 homes and killing more than 22,000 people?
Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
M. A. Farber, Mario Jascalevich
- ... that reporter M. A. Farber was jailed for 40 days and The New York Times fined $285,000, for Farber's refusal to turn over notes in the Mario Jascalevich "Dr. X" curare murder trial in 1978?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Blackwell Island Light
- ... that James Renwick, Jr., designer of St. Patrick’s Cathedral, was the supervising architect for the Blackwell Island Light (pictured) on Roosevelt Island in New York?
- ALT1:... that legends say that Blackwell Island Light (pictured) on Roosevelt Island in New York was built by an inmate from an insane asylum?
- Comment: I gave an ALT but although it is true that it is a legend about Blackwell Island Light, I don't believe the legend!
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Sumapaz Paramo
- ... that the national park Sumapaz Paramo (pictured) in Colombia, is the largest Paramo ecosystem in the world?
Created by Koven.rm (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Schluchsee
- ... that the Schluchsee, at 930 metres above sea level, is the highest reservoir in Germany and also the largest lake in the Black Forest?
5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Rossetti and His Circle
- ... that Max Beerbohm's 1922 book Rossetti and His Circle contained caricatures of the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Térez Montcalm
- ... that Canadian singer Térez Montcalm's debut album, Risque, saw her nominated for five Félix Awards in 1995?
Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Consumer Credit Act 1974
- ... that some parts of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, which received the Royal Assent on 31 July 1974, did not come into force until 1985? Ironholds (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Guy W. Calissi
- ... that as Bergen County, New Jersey prosecutor, Guy W. Calissi obtained murder convictions and death sentences for Edgar Smith and Thomas Trantino, though neither would ever go to the electric chair?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Expanded genetic code, Nucleic acid analogues
- ... that several groups have manage to add non-natural bases to DNA, while others have added non-natural amino acids into the genetic code?
5x expanded by Squidonius (talk). Self nom at 14:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Nucleic acid analogues is old but highly related and never featured as a DYK
Sam Zolotow
- ... that theater reporter Sam Zolotow of The New York Times was said to be able to get any information he needed, as long as he had "a corned-beef sandwich, a cigar and a telephone"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
James Matayoshi
- ... that the mayor of Rongelap, James Matayoshi, led the Marshallese who suffered from radiation sickness in seeking monetary compensation between 2005 and 2007?
Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 12:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Kobaïan
- ... that Kobaïan is a lyrical language created by French drummer and composer Christian Vander for his progressive rock band Magma?
5x expanded from a redirect by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 10:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Narcyz Wiatr
- ... that Narcyz Wiatr, a Polish activist in the agrarian movement and member of the anti-Nazi resistance group Peasant Battalions, was murdered by the communist secret police in Kraków’s Planty Park?
Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 07:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Nooitgedacht, Veenoord
- ... that the windmill Nooitgedacht (pictured) in Veenoord, Drenthe, has been moved three times since it was built in 1732?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 05:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Fort Anjediva, Church of Our Lady of Springs
- ... that Fort Anjediva (pictured) built on Anjadip Island, under the jurisdiction of Goa, India, formerly under Portuguese rule, has in its precincts the Church of Our Lady of Springs built in 1505 AD?
- Comment: Hook is for two artciles, Fort Anjediva, a stub article expanded by more 5x and Church of Our Lady of Springs and hence number charachters in the hook is little more than 200
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 18
Emsley Carr Mile
- ... that the Emsley Carr Mile was created to encourage athletes to break the four-minute mile, but by the second time the race was run, Roger Bannister had already broke the world record on 6 May, 1954?
Created by Seth Whales (talk). Self nom at 19:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Lulworthiaceae
- ... that the Lulworthiaceae are a family of marine fungi that typically grow on submerged wood or seaweed?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 08:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Loramycetaceae
- ... that species in the aquatic fungus family Loramycetaceae have spores with gelatinous sheaths thought to act as flotation devices?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 07:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
David I. Shapiro
- ... that after defending American Nazi Party leader George Lincoln Rockwell, attorney David I. Shapiro was told by Rockwell to "listen up, Jewboy... I'll watch as you and all the other Jews go to the gas chamber"?
Created by Wikilost (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 02:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Aliquandostipitaceae
- ... that members of the fungal family known as the Aliquandostipitaceae have unusually wide hyphae?
- ALT1:... that Aliquandostipitaceae members have the widest hyphae in the Ascomycetes?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
G. McMurtrie Godley
- ... that former U.S. Ambassador to Laos G. McMurtrie Godley testified in 1992 to the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs that no POWs remained behind after the end of the Vietnam War?
Created by Adam sk (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 02:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
464 BC Sparta earthquake
- ... that the 464 BC earthquake in Sparta, Greece, led to a revolt of helots?
- Comment: This article will continue to be expanded over the next few days, likely including the addition of an infobox and more text
Created by Geraldk (talk) and Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The V-Roys
- ... that the alternative country band The V-Roys were originally named The Vice Roys, but were forced to change their name after being threatened with a lawsuit from a Jamaican band?
Created by Omarcheeseboro (talk). Self nom at 09:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Joseph T. Buckingham
- ... that Joseph T. Buckingham, a leading Boston journalist of the 1830s, was an indentured farm laborer as a boy?
Created by Jnestorius (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Air Malawi
- ... that in 2008, a 49% stake in Air Malawi (aircraft pictured) was offered to Comair for only US$3,500?
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Just a note: Expansion =6904/1507=4.6, date, ref, fact seem Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 11:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Only non-lead counting prose, not including text in tables/lists I get 6714/1223 = 5.4x expansion. --Russavia Dialogue 11:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Please note: Permission for the photo which I have uploaded has been forwarded to Commons for OTRS action and confirmation. --Russavia Dialogue 13:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Here's how we define prose at Did You Know. Note that it doesn't exclude the lede paragraph, and it prescribes specific software to arbitrate the counting. So I get the identical figures, 6904/1507=4.6x. Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Lyon's Inn
- ... that by the time Lyon's Inn was dissolved it was being run by only two of the standard twelve governors, neither of whom had any idea what their duties were? Ironholds (talk) 00:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length, creation date and in-line refs all check out. Offline reference (JSTOR access) for hook accepted in good faith. Nick Ottery (talk) 08:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Diane Winston
- ... that Diane Winston won her seat in the Louisiana House of Representatives in 1995 by defeating a male opponent who the following year was elected to the Public Service Commission?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Diane Winston, having lost a special election for the Louisiana State Senate in 2005, was then term-limited in 2007 as a state representative?
Unknown Caller
- ... that the U2 song "Unknown Caller" was written from the perspective of a suicidal drug addict whose phone begins receiving cryptic text messages?
Created by MelicansMatkin (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
A Rugrats Passover
- ... that the Rugrats episode "A Rugrats Passover" fell under controversy from the Anti-Defamation League over the designs of two characters featured in it?
Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Ahklun Mountains
- ... that Ahklun Mountains (pictured), located in the Togiak National Wildlife Refuge, support the only existing glaciers in western Alaska?
Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- ::* alt hook ... that Alaska's Ahklun Mountains contains networks of glacial lakes, some over 400 meters deep? —mattisse (Talk) 21:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Slingshot (water vapor distillation system)
- ... that at a 2004 public demonstration, Segway inventor Dean Kamen drank his own urine after it had been passed through a Slingshot?
5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Iron chelate
- ... that iron chelate helps fix chlorophyll deficiency in garden plants but is toxic to slugs and snails?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Canadian Council on Animal Care
- ... that all research in which vertebrates or cephalopods are used in Canada must meet the ethical standards set by the Canadian Council on Animal Care?
Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Kelly (musical)
- ... that when the musical Kelly closed after one night on Broadway, a reviewer noted "Ella Logan was written out of Kelly before it reached the Broadhurst Theater Saturday night. Congratulations, Miss Logan"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Western Atlantic seabream
- ... that the large intestine of the Western Atlantic seabream (pictured) makes up roughly 90% of the fish's entire digestive tract?
Created by Ryan shell (talk). Self nom at 18:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Clara Dow
- ... that Clara Dow (pictured) was one of the last principal sopranos personally trained by W. S. Gilbert at the Savoy Theatre?
Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 18:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Celle
- ... that Celle was the official residence of the Lüneburg branch of the Dukes of Welf who had been banished from their original ducal seat by its townsfolk?
5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Tahar Douis
- ... that Moroccan alligator wrestler and circus strongman Tahar Douis set a world record by lifting 12 men weighing a total of 1,700 pounds on his shoulders?
Created by Starblueheather (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Richard Bergh
- ... that Swedish painter Richard Bergh (pictured) was established as a portrait painter, although his landscape paintings played an important role in the development of Swedish romantic nationalism?
Created by Theleftorium (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Quincy Mine No. 2 Shaft Hoist House
- ... that the 1918 Quincy Mine No. 2 Shaft Hoist House contains the largest steam hoisting engine in the world, which sits atop the largest reinforced concrete engine foundation ever poured?
Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Daniel Melnick
- ... that producer Daniel Melnick's films won more than 20 Academy Awards out of 80 nominations, while his play Kelly closed after only one night on Broadway?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Terence Weil
- ... that William Waterhouse considered the rapport between violist Cecil Aronowitz and cellist Terence Weil the special distinction of the Melos Ensemble?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Hubert Whittell
- ... that Hubert Whittell, a career soldier in the Indian Army, studied Urdu, Pushtu and Persian, before moving to Western Australia to become a farmer and ornithologist?
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
SS Hispania (1912)
- ... that during the Second World War, SS Hispania was detained by the French, seized by the Vichy French, declared a war prize, passed to the Kriegsmarine and eventually sold back to her original owners?
5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 11:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Rosie Swale-Pope
- ... that in 2008 61 year old Rosie Swale-Pope completed a five year 20,000 mile around the world run to highlight the importance of early diagnosis of prostate cancer?
5x expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 10:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Commander Australian Fleet
- ... that the Commander Australian Fleet holds full command of all maritime combat forces and operations within the Royal Australian Navy?
Created by Abraham, B.S. (talk). Self nom at 08:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
A,A (Sculpture)
File:Jim Sanborn Light Sculpture Houston Texas. U of H campus..jpg
- ... that the A,A Light Sculpture (pictured) by Jim Sanborn at the University of Houston illuminates its surroundings with prose from different languages?
- Comment: New article Created/expanded by B.s.n.R.N. (talk). Self nom at 19:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Everything looks good. The picture is beautiful. Good work. :) –Katerenka (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Colonial Society of Massachusetts
- ... that until 1950, only descendants of Massachusetts Bay or Plymouth colonists could become members of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Breathe (U2 song)
- ... that the U2 song "Breathe" is set on 16 June, an intentional reference to James Joyce's novel Ulysses?
Created by MelicansMatkin (talk). Self nom at 04:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Verified. Good work. :) –Katerenka (talk) 06:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment why not
- ... that the U2 song "Breathe" is set on Bloomsday?
- jnestorius(talk) 15:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Great debates in international relations theory
- ... that some academics believe that the "First Great Debate" in international relations theory never actually took place?
Created by Francium12 (talk). Self nom at 01:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 17
New Jersey Route 324
- ... that New Jersey Route 324 is the only state highway in New Jersey where neither of its termini is another roadway?
- ALT1:... that New Jersey Route 324 currently ends at the wreck of former car ferry docks that were abandoned in 1974?
5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The Sniffing Accountant
- ... that the main plotline of the Seinfeld episode The Sniffing Accountant was based on an actual instance where Jerry Seinfeld's accountant stole about 50,000 dollars from him to buy illegal narcotics?
- Comment: I've been expanding this article since October 15, and it’s most likely expanded fivefold by now.
5x expanded by Artichoke-Boy (talk). Nominated by Artichoke-Boy (talk) at 19:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Gibe III dam
- ... that the electricity generating capacity of Ethiopia is projected to double when the Gibe III dam and the associated hydropower plant, currently under construction on the Omo River, are completed?
Created by Mschiffler (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 04:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Tupolev Tu-8
- ... that the copilot of the Tupolev Tu-8 could turn his seat 180° and man a 20 mm (0.79 in) Berezin B-20 cannon in the rear of the pilot's compartment?
Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Schwabacher Brothers
- ... that Schwabacher's Wharf (pictured) survived the Great Seattle Fire, received the first "ton of gold" from the Yukon, and was the terminus for Seattle's first shipping trade route to the Orient?
Created by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 07:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Thus Always to Tyrants (album)
- ... that New York Times writer Neil Strauss praised the 2001 Scott Miller album Thus Always to Tyrants by describing Miller as "this year's Ryan Adams, a talented singer-songwriter emerging from a cult band with an astonishingly good solo album"?
Created by Omarcheeseboro (talk). Self nom at 11:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- 242 character hook. –Katerenka (talk) 04:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt 1: ... that New York Times writer Neil Strauss called Scott Miller's 2001 album Thus Always to Tyrants "an astonishingly good solo album"? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook is far too promotional, and not interesting or unusual. Can you suggest a more interesting and "hook-ish" one? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 06:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- ... that several songs on Scott Miller's 2001 album Thus Always to Tyrants are based on his family history in the American Civil War? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Much better. I would suggest making it a bit clearer with something like "are based on unearthed family letters from the American Civil War" (change in italics). Anyway, length and history verified, offline ref accepted in good faith. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: Actually only two of the songs on the album are "Civil War" songs. I reworded the article to clarify. How about this?
- ... that two songs on Scott Miller's 2001 album Thus Always to Tyrants are based on unearthed family letters from the American Civil War?
- I'm sorry that I went over the character limit and for the problems in my original hook. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 01:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Frank Kanning Mott
- ... that Frank Kanning Mott was a messenger for Western Union, a telephone operator, a hardware business owner and a city councilman before he was elected mayor of Oakland, California in 1905?
Created by Chrishomingtang (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Dry River (Jamaica)
- ... that the Dry River (Jamaica), isn't?
5x expanded by Arb (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Jamaica's Dry River isn't dry? (See H9.) Art LaPella (talk) 04:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Garey Foster
- ... that Louisiana in 2008 became the fiftieth state to ban cockfighting, nearly two decades after former State Representative Garey Forster led the initial effort to halt the practice?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Eight Second Ride
- ... that Jake Owen's 2009 single "Eight Second Ride" is a re-recording of a song from his 2006 debut album Startin' with Me?
- Comment: This page was created by someone else as a redirect, and was made into an article just today.
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- DYKCheck says that it's not quite long enough (1456 characters). Also don't really know what's unusual about the hook, I think a lot of artists re-record songs from previous albums. -- BigDom 19:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's not terribly common for the re-recording to become a single, though; a nearly-identical hook was passed for Waitin' on a Woman last year. Also, I think it's all the more unusual for someone like Owen, who's only two albums into his career, to be re-recording something from his debut. I addded a few more words to the article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article is now long enough, and on consideration I suppose that whilst it isn't unusual for a song to be re-recorded it's less common for it to be a single, although the fact that there has been an almost identical DYK before kind of shows that it's not that rare. Sources check out OK. -- BigDom 21:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
National City acquisition by PNC
- ... that the National City acquisition by PNC made PNC Financial Services the largest bank in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Kentucky, as well as the second largest bank in Maryland and Indiana?
Created by Jgera5 (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC).
Biermösl Blosn
- ... that the Bavarian ministry of education once ordered 75,000 copies of a song book for school children to be destroyed because it contained a song by Biermösl Blosn?
Created by SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 22:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I suggest as less ambiguous:
- "---because of a song by Biermösl Blosn it contained?"
- It was the particular song they objected to; they do not have a blanket policy of banning all Biermösl Blosn songs. jnestorius(talk) 15:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The Indestructible Beat of Soweto
- ... that critic Robert Christgau called The Indestructible Beat of Soweto the most important record of the 1980s?
Created by ChrisTheDude (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Date, and length verfied. The hook states that Robert Christgau called it the most important record of the 80s; however cite[5] states he gave it an A+ and cite [6] is written by a different editor in which I can not find where it states Robert Christgau's opinion on the band. Thanks in advance ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 07:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Presumably he made the comment in a different article, which is not available online, or maybe on a TV show or something. The comment is also rmentioned on the sleeve of the 20th anniversary edition of the album itself (scan can be provided if required), so I think it's legit...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- If its on the album's sleeve that Robert Christgau stated that it is fine; however, to use this hook it would have to be cited. Offline sources are permissible in good faith. The one provided by cite[6] can't be accepted if it doesn't support the statement. Sorry. Maybe you can change the hook or find a source so we can use it. Sincerely ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 09:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- in that case, how about ALT ... that 1985 compilation album The Indestructible Beat of Soweto features music in the mbaqanga, mqashiyo, maskanda, and isicathamiya styles? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- BTW I've just noticed that you say that ref [6] doesn't support the original hook. Actually, if you scroll down far enough you will find a bit that says "Robert Christgau called The Indestructible Beat of Soweto the most important record of the 80s, and while I don't agree, I can see his point" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
A.W. Lawrence
- ... that A.W. Lawrence, the former Professor of Classical Archaeology at Cambridge University was the brother of 'Lawrence of Arabia'?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Everything looks good, however, would you mind formatting the references to remove the "[1]", "[2]", and [3]"? –Katerenka (talk) 03:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Done Jack1956 (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
1755 Cape Ann Earthquake
- ... that when sailors more than Template:Km to mi off the coast of Massachusetts felt the 1755 Cape Ann earthquake, they thought their ship had run aground?
5x expanded by Geraldk (talk) and Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 20:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Looks good (no content issues, hook ref checked, 5x expansion checked). Ucucha 20:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Galidiinae
- ... that although the Galidiinae (pictured) resemble mongooses, they are more closely related to other Malagasy carnivorans such as the fossa?
- Comment: Original text size (using prosesize.js) 516 B, current text size 4551 B => expanded 8.8 times.
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- A better picture might be this one, which shows the animal more clearly. Ucucha 11:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Munger Fort
- ... that history records a "White Mutiny" by disgruntled officers of the East India Company in the precincts of the Munger Fort, in Bihar, India, which was put down by Lord Clive?
- Comment: Stub article expanded by more than 5x
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 19:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
List of unreleased Michael Jackson material
- ... that the unreleased material of Michael Jackson includes the song "A Place With No Name", which was leaked as a 24-second snippet by website TMZ.com following the singer's death?
Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Tanco Mine
- ... that Tanco Mine in Manitoba, Canada, holds the global reserves on caesium for 2,000 to 3,000 years?
- ALT1:... that Tanco Mine in Manitoba, Canada, is the largest producer of caesium?
Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length fine... my reading (or the source attached to the key fact) is that the known reserves will last for 2,000 to 3,000 years. Obviously Tanco mine will contribute, but you are assuming it is all in this mine (in my reading of the hook)... which I see no evidence for. Good to have a short hook by make sure its reliable 15:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length and date verified. I agree that the hook is not clearly stated and verified in the article. —mattisse (Talk) 16:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, you are right, it might not that clear, but with some help it might be possible to make it clear enough. The ref states Given current global reserves of cesium and current estimated global use of 30,000 kg/yr, cesium reserves are more than adequate to satisfy demand during the next 2,000 to 3,000 years while the list on the next page gives the reserves of Canada with 70,000,000 kg and the reserve base world wide with 110,000,000 kg. The statment: more than two-thirds of the world’s reserve base is at Bernic Lake, Canada makes it clear that all the reserves of Canada are located at Bernic Lake, which is the Tanco Mine. By the simpe calculation of 70000000/30000 = 2333 it is clear that at our present consumption it will last for 2333 years. The second hook might be cleared by the sentence: In the past few decades, nearly all of the world’s supply of cesium has come from zoned pegmatites at Bernic Lake (McCutcheon, 1995). All the facts are from the USGS article by Butterman. Thanks for the help.--Stone (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Draper point
- ... that the Draper point is the temperature at which almost all solids begin to glow?
Created by SteveBaker (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Dante Troisi
- ... that Italian writer Dante Troisi chronicled the difficulties of his job as a judge in post-WWII Italy in the novel Diario di un giudice (Diary of a Judge)?
Created by Jujutacular (talk). Self nom at 10:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- The hook is cited, but nothing else is. Could you please add inline citations to the article so that there is at least one per paragraph? I'm also a tad concerned that the article relies on only one reference. Are there no more references available to you? –Katerenka (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Added the additional inline citations, and found a reference to an award he won in 2005, perhaps it would even make a better DYK:
- ALT1: ... that Italian writer Dante Troisi was posthumously awarded the Feronia Literary Prize in 2005?
- Jujutacular T · C 07:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The Wicked Messenger
- ... that the title of the Bob Dylan song "The Wicked Messenger" mirrors a Proverbs passage, which reads "A wicked messenger falleth into mischief; but a faithful ambassador is health"?
Created by I.M.S. (talk). Self nom at 03:29, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - I've created this page out of a redirect, so I suppose if this isn't a "new" article it would count as a 5x expansion. - I.M.S. (talk) 03:29, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- If you converted it from a redirect, it counts as a new article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Westminster Mall (Colorado)
- ... that despite being one of the largest malls in the Denver area, Westminster Mall is half-vacant?
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 02:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 16
Hands of Perón
- ... that on June 23, 1987, the dismembered hands of former Argentinian President Juan Perón were stolen from his tomb and held for ransom?
5x expanded by NellieBly (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
American food policy in occupied Germany
- ... that General Lucius D. Clay (pictured) justified U.S. food policy in occupied Germany, as "Germans should suffer from hunger and from cold ... to make them realize the consequences of a war which they caused"?
Created by Stor stark7 (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 03:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Photo checks out. Source accepted in good faith. Good hook. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 15:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The Stakeout (Parks and Recreation)
- ... that stand-up comedian Louis CK appeared in the Parks and Recreation episode "The Stakeout" as a police officer attracted to Amy Poehler's main character?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The first tome or volume of the Paraphrase of Erasmus vpon the newe testamente
- ... that Edward VI of England's 1547 Injunctions mandated that a copy of the English translation of the Paraphrases of Erasmus was to be kept in every parish church?
Created by BibleBill (talk), Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 20:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Fritz Windhorst
- ... that in 1990 former Louisiana State Senator Fritz H. Windhorst spoke on behalf of a vetoed bill which would have made abortion a felony punishable by imprisonment?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Everything checks out fine. You did a good job. :) –Katerenka (talk) 03:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Ioannis Giagkos
File:Pterarchos Ioannis Giagkos.jpg
- ... that current Chief of National Defense General Staff of Greece, Air Chief Marshal Ioannis Giagkos (pictured), served as Commander in NATO Combined Air Operations Centre-7?
Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
List of awards and nominations received by Nightwish
- ... that Finland band Nightwish (pictured) was nominated for 27 awards including 2 Echo Awards and 13 Emma-gaala Awards?
Created by DreamNight (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Stephen J. Windhorst
- ... that Louisiana District Judge Stephen J. Windhorst is a former reserve police officer who also served eight years in the Louisiana House of Representatives as an anti-crime advocate?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Ai Jing
- ... that Chinese singer Ai Jing is most well-known for a folk rock song about the 1997 handover of Hong Kong to China?
Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 05:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Everything looks good. Article length, date check out and the hook source was viewable through Google books. Nice job, and very interesting. :) –Katerenka (talk) 23:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: could you change "most well-known" to "best-known"? jnestorius(talk) 15:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Granville, New York)
- ... that the asymmetrical facade of the Granville, New York, post office (pictured) is unusual for a five-bay Depression-era post office in the state?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Greater Poland Uprising (1794)
- ... that Tadeusz Kościuszko initially did not want to support the Greater Poland Uprising (1794) in order to avoid a two front war against both Russia and Prussia?
- Comment: hook is sourced to an offline source, I've provided the relevant text from it in the cite
5x expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Bill Taylor (baseball)
- ... that outfielder Bill Taylor never made an error in his five year Major League Baseball career?
- ALT1:... that outfielder Bill Taylor played in the field in just 18 of his 149 career Major League Baseball games?
Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- We could combine these, in a slightly glib fashion:
- ... that outfielder Bill Taylor never made an error in his five-year, 149-game Major League Baseball career, but then again he only played in the field in 18 of those games? Daniel Case (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Zersenay Tadese
- ... that long distance runner Zersenay Tadese was the first person from Eritrea to win an Olympic medal in any sport?
5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length and date verified. The rules say that a reference is needed immediately after the hook is stated in the article, so amend that and this should be good to go. Mm40 (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Done, though it might be a good idea to let this hook lie for at least another couple of days as there's still a little work to do in terms of the last two years' competitions, and his personal life. Cheers. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 20:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ref checks out now. I would suggest trimming 'world championship' out of the hook, as he was also the first to win just an Olympic medal regardless, so there's no need for an extra qualifier. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 05:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I put the "world championships" part to refer to the IAAF World Road Running Championships and IAAF World Cross Country Championships which Tadese won. He didn't win at the Olympics (just a medal), but he did win at these competitions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 10:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Buy my point is, it's not necessary to cram every fact you can into the hook. First Olympic medal is already a true and interesting fact; adding more stuff to the hook actually makes it sound like he accomplished less (i.e., implies that he wasn't the first to get an Olympic medal, but was the first to do that while also doing X) and makes the hook less interesting. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough then, I've chopped it down. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 00:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Buy my point is, it's not necessary to cram every fact you can into the hook. First Olympic medal is already a true and interesting fact; adding more stuff to the hook actually makes it sound like he accomplished less (i.e., implies that he wasn't the first to get an Olympic medal, but was the first to do that while also doing X) and makes the hook less interesting. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I put the "world championships" part to refer to the IAAF World Road Running Championships and IAAF World Cross Country Championships which Tadese won. He didn't win at the Olympics (just a medal), but he did win at these competitions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 10:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ref checks out now. I would suggest trimming 'world championship' out of the hook, as he was also the first to win just an Olympic medal regardless, so there's no need for an extra qualifier. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 05:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
List of 1932 Winter Olympics medal winners
- ... that Eddie Eagan, a medalist at the 1932 Winter Olympics in bobsledding and at the 1920 Summer Olympics in boxing, is the only person to have won gold medals in both the Summer and Winter Olympics?
Created by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 21:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Whereas the nomination looks fine and I have no doubt about the fact, it needs a more clear and recent ref in the article. (The date of ref. 1 is uncertain to me, and it merely points to a portal). Materialscientist (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- The information in that sentence is referenced in the 'more about' tab on the right side of the page. Geraldk (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, found it, but could you please point to where it says that this feat remains unbeaten (sorry, I am known to be pedantic :). Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- The IOC source is understated, it only calls the feat 'unique', which can be misinterpreted, so I've added a second source. Geraldk (talk) 00:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length, date, refs Ok. All web sources do confirm the fact. Materialscientist (talk) 04:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- The IOC source is understated, it only calls the feat 'unique', which can be misinterpreted, so I've added a second source. Geraldk (talk) 00:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, found it, but could you please point to where it says that this feat remains unbeaten (sorry, I am known to be pedantic :). Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Assumption Preparatory School
- ... that despite being located in Worcester, Massachusetts, the Assumption Preparatory School followed French custom in holding classes on Saturday mornings but not on Thursday or Saturday afternoons?
Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 21:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Joshua Green (seaman and banker)
- ... that Mississippi-born Joshua Green had successive careers as a major figure in the Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet and as a Seattle banker?
Created by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Mississippi-born Joshua Green was one of Seattle's last fluent speakers of the pidgin trade language known as Chinook Jargon? - Jmabel | Talk 20:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Oliver Starkey
- ... that Sir Oliver Starkey (commemorative plaque pictured) was the only English knight present at the siege of Malta and is the only person to be buried in the crypt of Valetta Cathedral who was not a Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 18:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Grandville (comics)
- ... that amongst the inspirations listed by Bryan Talbot (pictured) for his steampunk graphic novel Grandville include Jean Ignace Isidore Gérard, Albert Robida and Rupert Bear?
Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Siege of Astorga, Irish Legion
- ... that a drummer boy in the Irish Legion was given the Legion of Honor for beating the charge during the Siege of Astorga even after losing both legs?
Created by Fleetflame (talk). Self nom at 18:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Date of creation and length verified; however, the article does not have any mention of a drummer boy or his feats and subsequent award ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 17:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- See the last sentence in Siege of Astorga which reads: "The Irish Legion led the charge over the wall, and suffered heavy losses: Captain John Allen's company's drummer boy continued to beat the charge after having lost both legs, for which he was given the French Legion of Honor." If the hook needs to be in both articles, I wasn't aware of it, but I've added it now. Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 01:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Cadex 2009
- ... that during the Cadex 2009 military training exercises, Sri Lanka Navy cadets trained aboard vessels of the Indian Navy, while Indian cadets got a chance to visit historical places in Sri Lanka?
Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 18:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Fred C. Galda
- ... that in a 1981 case, Judge Fred C. Galda allowed a woman to claim she shot her husband in self-defense, making him the first judge in New Jersey to accept a battered woman defense in a spousal killing?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:58, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Less cumbersome ALT 2: ... that in 1981 Fred C. Galda became the first judge in New Jersey to allow a battered woman defense in a spousal killing? LargoLarry (talk) 13:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Good to go. Prefer ALT 2. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
STS-1
- ... that STS-1, the first orbital flight of the Space Shuttle program, was launched 20 years to the day of the launch of the first human space flight?
Created by Kitch (talk), TimShell (talk). Nominated by RadioFan (talk) at 14:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Suggest alt that includes the article title in bold: ... that STS-1, the first orbital flight of the Space Shuttle program, was launched 20 years to the day of the launch of the first human space flight?
- I'm afraid the article isn't new, nor has it been 5x expanded. Very sorry - I.M.S. (talk) 17:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Salar de Uyuni
- ... that the Salar de Uyuni salt flat in Bolivia (pictured) is one of the best objects for calibrating Earth observation satellites?
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 09:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Expansion, date and hook refs verified. I'd suggest putting "salt flat" after "Salar de Uyuni" in the hook. --Bruce1eetalk 09:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- You could also use this scrolling picture. --Bruce1eetalk 10:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I was going to, but simply forgot .. Salt flat swapped. Thanks! Materialscientist (talk) 11:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- You could also use this scrolling picture. --Bruce1eetalk 10:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 15
Parliament of Norway Building
- ... that the first winner of the contest to design the Parliament of Norway Building was rejected because it looked too much like a church?
- ALT1:... prior to the opening of the Parliament of Norway Building (pictured) in 1866, the Parliament of Norway met at a secondary school and later at a university?
Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Friedrich Freiherr von Hotze
- ... after fighting in six wars throughout Europe and Russia, General Hotze, of the Austrian imperial army, was shot by French soldiers at the Second Battle of Zurich at Schänis, within 20 miles (32 km) of the village in which he had been born?
- alt1= ... on the morning of 25 September 1799, General Hotze was killed by French soldiers 32 kilometres (20 mi) from the village in which he had been born?
- alt2=... on 25 September 1799, at the Second Battle of Zurich, General Hotze and his chief of staff were reconnoitering in the early morning near the village of Schänis, 32 kilometres (20 mi) from the village in which he had been born, when he was killed by French soldiers?
- comment: hook and citation are in the 3rd to last paragraph, citation #21. Both citations agree on where he was born and died. I measured the distance using the mapquest feature, and double checked it with Shtetlseeker.
established 15 October 2009 and expanded 5x by Auntieruth55 (talk) 18:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Self nom at 09:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt2 is a 265 character hook. The original version, at 237 characters, is also unlikely to be approved without shortening. Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Dayr Ayyub
- ... that today the eastern segment of the Canada Park lies on the village site of the depopulated former Palestinian village of Dayr Ayyub?
5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk) and Huldra (talk)Self nom at 09:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Jack Lee (cricketer)
- ... that in a 1933 first-class cricket match, Harry Lee was caught out by his brother Frank Lee off the bowling of his other brother Jack Lee?
Created/expanded by Harrias (talk), Johnlp (talk), David Underdown (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Love? (album)
- ... that Jennifer Lopez's upcoming album Love? is planning to feature Danja, Jim Jonsin, Darkchild, Chris n Teeb, The Neptunes, Jim Jonsin and D'Mile among others?
Created by Lil-unique1 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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- It was an eclusive interview where she told the reporters about who will be in the album. Secret Saturdays (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Mohammed bin Hadou
- ... that Mohammed bin Hadou was a Moroccan ambassador to the court of Charles II in England in 1681–82?
Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 20:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- The ref linked in the first paragraph does not mention the date of his arrival, and in the article itself the source that proves the dat says he arrived in 1681 and left in 1682. Why does the hook say 1682? Geraldk (talk) 02:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Done Good point! Corrected above. Thank you! PHG Per Honor et Gloria 05:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
South Granville Congregational Church
- ... that the acoustics at the South Granville Congregational Church (pictured) in New York are so good that community concerts are often held there despite other churches in the town being larger?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 19:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
The Truth (Trent Willmon song)
- ... that Jason Aldean said his 2009 single "The Truth" was "one of those songs that I heard the first time and knew I wanted to cut"?
- Comment: This article is qualified with (Trent Willmon song) because Willmon recorded the song first. I have been told that song articles should qualify with the first artist to record the song, even if another artist's version is more popular.
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Bermuda Public Transportation Board
- ... that all public buses in Bermuda start and end at the Hamilton bus terminal?
Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- It states all routes in the article start and stop at the Hamilton Station; however, that isn't the case with route 6 (both in the article and website). Can the hook be adjusted to address this. Maybe a hook addressing that they use pink buses? Otherwise date, length, and sources verified. ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 17:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1:... that the buses in Bermuda (pictured) are pink?
- ALT 2:... that the pink buses of Bermuda are specially designed for their service in this island? Ekem (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Wi-Fi Direct
- ... that the Wi-Fi Alliance plans to ease the task of setting up small Wi-Fi networks with their new Wi-Fi Direct standard?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- More than half of the paragraphs in the article have no in-line citations. Geraldk (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is not a requirement for DYK. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Maury, have you missed the countless discussions about this at WT:DYK? If the lack of citations is a serious problem, this is still a valid reason to delay the nom (there may not be an explicit rule, but there is a general rule that articles with major problems can be rejected). Plus, many of your nominations over the past year or so (at least) have been rejected for this, so by now you of all people should know better. Geraldk's concern stands. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Arnljot Strømme Svendsen
- ... that economics professor Arnljot Strømme Svendsen was also an active politician for the Conservative Party?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Professors dabbling in politics is not unusual, unless it is in Norway. If so, the hook should say so. Daniel Case (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Warner Valley
- ... that the cliffs of Hart Mountain tower 3,600 feet above the floor of Oregon’s Warner Valley (pictured)?
- Comment: Hook info is from article's reference #3, para 14
Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 03:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Oakland City Hall
- ... that a 36-cell jail is located on the twelfth floor of the Oakland City Hall?
Created by Chrishomingtang (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Everything looks good. :) –Katerenka (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Belgrade Race Through History
- ... that the Belgrade Race Through History and Belgrade Marathon competitions were held in 1999, despite the fact that the NATO bombing campaign had caused widespread damage to the city that year?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 23:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- The sources only mention that the airport was still closed, not widespread damage. The widespread part needs to be sourced. Geraldk (talk) 02:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think this comes under common knowledge sourcing. Needless to say, the linked article describing the operation of 1,000 aircraft and a dozen NATO nations gives the scale of the bombing of Belgrade. There are even three separate articles about specific bombing targets in the city. If a citation is really needed then this will suffice I suppose, but it really is a vague description of a well-known fact. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 10:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's common knowledge for those who a. were around and b. were aware. My 12 yr old students probably have no idea it even happened, let alone how much damage was done to Belgrade. Hence the need for a source. For comparison, let me ask you if you know whether there was widespread damage to Port Arthur during the Russo-Japanese war? I suspect people at the time may have argued that it was common knowledge. A side issue - the article itself must include the fact in the hook, and while the article mentions the bombing campaign it does not mention damage of any kind. Geraldk (talk) 12:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's a bit dubious to compare the bombing of a developed capital city of 2 million people with 8000 years of human history with a small seaport, but your point is made. I've added the bombing info to the article. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 01:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
United States v. Georgia
- ... that in United States v. Georgia, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Congress could force state prisons to provide facilities for disabled inmates through passing of ADA?
Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- alt hook ... that until United States v. Georgia, no U.S. Supreme Court decision required US state prison systems to provide facilities for disabled inmates under ADA? —mattisse (Talk) 19:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Both hooks check out, thought I prefer the wording of the alternate one. You did a nice job on this article. :) –Katerenka (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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- The alt hook is not necessarily correct - IIRC in Pennsylvania Dept. of Corrections v. Yeskey, 524 U.S. 206, the Supreme Court already held that ADA extends to state prisons. In addition, to the extent that there was a constitutional violation (which is what the Supreme Court limited its holding to in this case), relief is already available under 42 U.S.C. Section 1983 under longstanding precedent. Tim Song (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK. I modified the alt hook. I think it is correct now. However, it is fine if you use the primary hook. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 19:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Mark Samuels Lasner
- ... that items from the collection of Mark Samuels Lasner relating to Aubrey Beardsley, Max Beerbohm, Oscar Wilde and other writers and artists of the 1890s have provided the basis for numerous publications and exhibitions?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
P53 (album), P53 (band)
- ... that P53, a live album by experimental music group P53, features two classical grand pianists, a turntablist and a real-time sampler/processor?
Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Everything Checks out okay. Secret Saturdays (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
B. Dalton
- ... that B. Dalton, once the second-largest bookstore in the U.S., was founded in 1966 by the Dayton's department store chain?
- Comment: This was created as a redirect back in 2006 and did not beome an article until today.
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Date, length, refs, facts seem fine. Materialscientist (talk) 08:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Suzuki Hayabusa
- ... that the Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle was named after a falcon that preys on blackbirds, a reference to the Honda CBR1100XX Super Blackbird?
- ALT1:... that the 1999 Suzuki Hayabusa clinched its status as the fastest motorcycle of the 20th century after the 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R was speed-restricted due to a manufacturers' gentlemen's agreement?
- Comment: Alt image (goes with either hook)...
5x expanded by Dbratland (talk), Brianhe (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Expansion, date, refs hooks look fine, but I've got a few nasty questions: (i) I would favor ALT1, but to me the text "after the 2000 .." only diverts from the subject. Delete? (ii)
Could you briefly explain why Brianhe is in the nominators? (no edits to the article - sorry, we're instructed to ask such things)(iii) Why harvard referencing when all refs are used only once? Whatever the MOS and rules, it seems simply as duplicating all the 51 references. Materialscientist (talk) 09:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)- By all means, edit the hook to suit. Another way of making it shorter might be to try
- "... that the 1999 Suzuki Hayabusa clinched its status as the fastest motorcycle of the 20th century after the 2000 Ninja ZX-12R was speed-restricted by a manufacturers' gentleman's agreement?"
- Whatever you think is best. The main relevance of 2000 is that it is the last year of the 20th century, which perhaps should be Wikilinked or maybe not.
- By all means, edit the hook to suit. Another way of making it shorter might be to try
- I forgot to mention that most of the work was done on this workpage: Talk:Suzuki Hayabusa/Workpage. Brianhe's edits are there. I'm not sure what you mean about the citations being used only once. For example, "Brown (2005) pp. 242-243, 276-277" is used 8 times, in addition to "Brown (2005) pp. 284-285". Similarly, Carrithers (2006) is referenced once with a specific quote and two more times without. Footnote #1 cites two references. So it's a many to many relationship. But I am beginning to think that while I prefer Harvard, it does seem to generate controversy.--Dbratland (talk) 15:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Argh, again my unclear writing. Let me rephrase: (i) I suggest ALT2 ... that the 1999 Suzuki Hayabusa was named the fastest motorcycle of the 20th century? ("was named" might be improved, off course). (iii) Harvard is only good if you refer to different pages of one book in different notes. Easier to give an example from the article: If I were writing, I would replace "Ford (2003)" in the notes by "Ford, Dexter (August 2003), Grudge Match, Motorcyclist: 34-35" from references and delete the latter from "references" - it is just a 2-page article. Same for most others. Off course, you are right about the Brown (2005) references. The trouble is I can't find that (book?) in the article Materialscientist (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would have originally said it was named fastest of the 20th c., except I only have a magazine article that says the Guinness Book did award that title, but I haven't yet gotten my hands on the actual 2000 or 2001 edition of the Guinness Book to verify they did (I will in a few days; 2000 and 2001 are not in Google Books either). So "was named" is sourced, but not as well as it could be. Maybe I'm being too picky. On the other hand, I don't think it's original research to deduce that if was the fastest ever in 1999, and everything went slower in 2000, then it was the fastest of the 20th century, whether we can cite directly that it was named the fastest or not. I'm comfortable with either phrasing if you are.
- Argh, again my unclear writing. Let me rephrase: (i) I suggest ALT2 ... that the 1999 Suzuki Hayabusa was named the fastest motorcycle of the 20th century? ("was named" might be improved, off course). (iii) Harvard is only good if you refer to different pages of one book in different notes. Easier to give an example from the article: If I were writing, I would replace "Ford (2003)" in the notes by "Ford, Dexter (August 2003), Grudge Match, Motorcyclist: 34-35" from references and delete the latter from "references" - it is just a 2-page article. Same for most others. Off course, you are right about the Brown (2005) references. The trouble is I can't find that (book?) in the article Materialscientist (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I forgot to mention that most of the work was done on this workpage: Talk:Suzuki Hayabusa/Workpage. Brianhe's edits are there. I'm not sure what you mean about the citations being used only once. For example, "Brown (2005) pp. 242-243, 276-277" is used 8 times, in addition to "Brown (2005) pp. 284-285". Similarly, Carrithers (2006) is referenced once with a specific quote and two more times without. Footnote #1 cites two references. So it's a many to many relationship. But I am beginning to think that while I prefer Harvard, it does seem to generate controversy.--Dbratland (talk) 15:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Brown's 2005 book, The ultimate history of fast motorcycles, went missing -- fixed now.
- My understanding of WP:CITESHORT is that if you're going to use shortened footnotes, you would do it consistently for every citation. And I looked at a few recently-approved FAs and the ones using CITESHORT looked consistent to me as well. Are you sure?--Dbratland (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- If you agree, I would provisionally approve ALT2 (I have no doubt about the fact), but if no rush, would wait a bit for your possible look in the 2000 Guinness book. I know about FAs. No MOS or FA rules oblige using any citation system. Ironically, even repeating identical citation in the ref. list is allowed, and there was a lengthy FA discussion on that recently. It is just up to your common sense. I can't understand repeating short refs, but that's I. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK. I'm probably going to quit using short footnotes since it seems to keep generating discussion, and the benefits are small. The part about preying on blackbirds is a nice hook too -- it was interesting enough to be mentioned in most of the articles, and I've footnoted a quote attributing it directly to Suzuki. Fastest of the 20th century is slightly absurd -- why not fastest of the millennium? Or fastest of the last 1,000,000 years? The real technical feat of the Hayabusa is that it is an all-around rideable bike, and not super-specialized being the fastest at the expense of everything else. But it's hard to say that in 200 characters.--Dbratland (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- If you agree, I would provisionally approve ALT2 (I have no doubt about the fact), but if no rush, would wait a bit for your possible look in the 2000 Guinness book. I know about FAs. No MOS or FA rules oblige using any citation system. Ironically, even repeating identical citation in the ref. list is allowed, and there was a lengthy FA discussion on that recently. It is just up to your common sense. I can't understand repeating short refs, but that's I. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- My understanding of WP:CITESHORT is that if you're going to use shortened footnotes, you would do it consistently for every citation. And I looked at a few recently-approved FAs and the ones using CITESHORT looked consistent to me as well. Are you sure?--Dbratland (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Radom Ghetto
- ... that many Jews of the Radom Ghetto were forced to work in the Radom arms factory?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that many Jews of the Radom Ghetto in occupied Poland were forced to work in the Radom arms factory? I.M.S. (talk) 00:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Confirmed. Prefer alt. Geraldk (talk) 02:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed, what about changing Unfree labour to pipe to Forced labor in Germany during World War II ? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 14
List of members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee
Cake Wrecks
- ... that pictures featured on Cake Wrecks, a photoblog founded in 2008, include a cake decorated with a sonogram image?
Created by AgnosticPreachersKid (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Christian Lous Lange is the only laureate to be appointed to the member of the Norwegian Nobel Committee?
- ALT1:... that all members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee are active or former politicians?
- ALT2:... that three Nobel Peace Prizes have led to members of the awarding Norwegian Nobel Committee have withdrawn?
Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2a:... that three Nobel Peace Prizes have led to withdrawal of members of the awarding Norwegian Nobel Committee? Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- While investigating how to disambiguate sonogram, I clicked on the article's sixth reference by Joe Coscarelli. As best I remember, it wanted me to click a button to download some software, with an explanation written in computerese. Fearing malware, I hit the back button. No response. I tried to X off the entire browser. No response. So I restarted my operating system. Rather than risk further exposure to possible malware, I haven't gone back to that website to confirm that I have described it accurately. Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Air Botswana
- ... that in 1999, an Air Botswana pilot committed suicide by crashing an ATR 42 (pictured) into, and destroying, the airline's fleet at Gaborone's airport?
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article expansion date verified, length not currently at 5x ((prior 2385 currently 10401 (4.3x)). Would you be able to expand it slightly within the next couple of days? Is an interesting article. Thank you ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 16:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I am currently under a "Russia" topic ban, and I am not allowed to edit on things relating to Russia or Russians. I have information which can be included in the article, in the privatisation process section, but because it relates to a Russian businessman, I am unable to add the information to the article, which would bump the article just over the 5x expansion requirement, and thereby making it eligible for DYK. Perhaps another editor wouldn't mind doing a search for information and adding the information to the article. --Russavia Dialogue 17:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I have tried to expand it as much as possible, and have come up 11,947 characters of prose, which is around 25 characters over the 5x expansion? --Russavia Dialogue 18:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Monica C. Lozano
- ... that Monica C. Lozano is the publisher and Chief Executive Officer of the Los Angeles-based La Opinión, the largest Spanish language newspaper in the United States?
Created by Casiraghitrio (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 04:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Kevin Newsome
- ... that Kevin Newsome was a two-time state champion hurdler at Western Branch High School before he enrolled to Penn State to play football?
Created by Eagles247 (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Pedro Fróilaz de Traba
- ... that Pedro Fróilaz de Traba (fl. 1086–1126) had an iron statue of himself erected in the square in front of the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela?
Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Galician nobleman Pedro Fróilaz de Traba raised the future Alfonso VII of León and Castile?
Joseph Zack Kornfeder
- ... that Joseph Zack Kornfeder, a founding member of the Communist Party of America in 1919, became a vigorous anti-Communist after his wife was arrested by the NKVD during the Great Purge of 1937–38?
Created by Carrite (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 18:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Connecticut Company
- ... that the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad, which controlled most of the steam railroad mileage in the U.S. state of Connecticut, also controlled a vast system of trolley lines through the Connecticut Company?
5x expanded by NE2 (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Patuxent Research Refuge
- ... that the National Wildlife Visitor Center (pictured) at Maryland's Patuxent Research Refuge is the nation's largest center for environmental science and education operated by the Department of the Interior?
Created by Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 20:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Dan Morrish
- ... that conservative State Senator Dan Morrish broke with the Louisiana Family Forum in 2009 by supporting a law which permits restaurants to levy cover charges for live entertainment and to sell alcohol?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon since with Hungary in December 2007, with two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, yet to complete the process?
Created by Themanwithoutapast (talk). Nominated by Patrickneil (talk) at 03:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... since Hungary was first in December 2007 ... Art LaPella (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fork of Treaty of Lisbon? --74.13.130.90 (talk) 07:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Rather a split-up article. If accepting that all those details are useful (which I can't really tell) then keeping them in one article would be too inconvenient. Materialscientist (talk) 09:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- A grammatically valid way to formulate this would be:
- ALT2:
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon, starting with Hungary in December 2007, with two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, yet to complete the process?
- However, I think it might be more interesting to use some other fact from the article, such as:
- ALT3:
- ... that the Italian Senate and Chamber of Deputies both unanimously ratified the Treaty of Lisbon?
- ALT4:
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon since 2007, and only two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, have yet to complete the process?
- I still find the language in ALT2 unwieldily, and all attempts to clear it with the mention of hungary still in there failed. Suggest removing Hungary entirely. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Dave Davies
File:Knk70.jpg
- ... that guitarist Dave Davies of The Kinks (pictured) created the signature buzzing, distorted guitar sound of the 1964 hit "You Really Got Me" by slitting the speaker cone on his Elpico amplifier?
5x expanded by I.M.S. (talk). Self nom at 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I began expanding this article quite a bit a few days ago. If someone could verify how much it has been expanded, and/or how much more it needs to be expanded (if this is the case), I would truly appreciate it. If the article need a little bit more added to it, I'll be happy to add that little bit. Many thanks - I.M.S. (talk) 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
You've close to doubled it. Would need to be approximately 35k characters to have been expanded fivefold in the last five days, have under 15k. Another issue is that significant portions of the article are not referenced, hence the dispute tag. Geraldk (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Would it be alright if I worked on it over the next few days and try to expand and improve it? I'm not sure if I could manage 35k, but I'll try my best. - I.M.S. (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, please try. Materialscientist (talk) 09:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe I'm getting close. I might have it done in another day or two. - I.M.S. (talk) 03:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would behoove you to install the prose size calculator. The article is currently at 13k. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 10:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Or better yet, use DYKcheck, which we prefer to prosesize.js because it performs the same function and more, and because it's no harder to use (with or without installing). Art LaPella (talk) 04:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Nicholas Upsall
- ... that Puritan colonist Nicholas Upsall, among the very first Puritan freemen selected in the American colonies, was banished and then helped found the first Monthly Meeting of the Quakers in America?
5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- OR ALT1
- ... that Puritan colonist Nicholas Upsall saved the lives of jailed Quaker pioneers Mary Fisher and Ann Austin, was later banished, and then helped found the first Monthly Meeting of the Quakers in America?
5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
David Aukin
- ... that producer David Aukin has been nominated for two BAFTA Awards for films about Tony Blair?
Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Carl Rosa Opera Company
- ... that during its first fifteen years, the Carl Rosa Opera Company prospered, earning good notices and playing frequent seasons at the Drury Lane Theatre?
Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Engle Monumental Clock
- ... that the Engle Monumental Clock (pictured) by Stephen Decatur Engle was once exhibited as "The Eighth Wonder of the World"?
Created by B.s.n.R.N. (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- ( alt) ... that people paid to see a skeleton strike a thigh bone against a human skull every sixty minutes for more than seventy years?
- What do you think? Victuallers (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Nice catch. Geraldk (talk) 01:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Both hooks confirmed. Geraldk (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Didn't even think about the holloween angle, but works for me ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 02:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- alt might work better with a slight re-order, ... that for more than seventy years, people paid to see a skeleton strike a thigh bone against a human skull every sixty minutes? David Underdown (talk) 09:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Didn't even think about the holloween angle, but works for me ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 02:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Both hooks confirmed. Geraldk (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Nice catch. Geraldk (talk) 01:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Ritchie Yorke
- ... that Ritchie Yorke instigated and organized the first political meeting between a pop star and a prime minister? This meeting was between John Lennon and Pierre Trudeau.
Created by Irywarana (talk). Self nom at 08:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 13
Satyashodhak Communist Party
- ... that the Satyashodhak Communist Party was founded in Maharastra, India in 1978, seeking to combine the philosophies of Karl Marx, B.R. Ambedkar and Jyotirao Phule?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Josef Váňa
- ... that Czech jockey Josef Váňa won his sixth Velká pardubická steeplechase at the age of 56?
Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 09:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Conrad Vogt-Svendsen, Arne Berge
- ... that Arne Berge and Conrad Vogt-Svendsen, priests at the Norwegian seamen's church in Hamburg, played a central role in the White Buses operation?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Invincible class battlecruiser
- ... that the two surviving Invincible-class battlecruisers carried two Sopwith fighters in 1918 on flying-off ramps fitted on top of 'P' and 'Q' turrets and that each platform had a canvas hangar to protect the aircraft during inclement weather?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
260 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)241 characters now, but that is still generally considered too many. Art LaPella (talk) 04:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ... that in 1918 two Invincible-class battlecruisers were each fitted with two Sopwith fighters?
Byrds (album)
- ... that between October 1972 and February 1973, while the original members of The Byrds reunited for the Byrds album, two different line-ups of the band existed concurrently, with Roger McGuinn being the only member common to both groups?
5x expanded by Kohoutek1138 (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: "... that under the terms of the agreement between David Geffen and Columbia Records' president, Clive Davis, concerning the recording of The Byrds' reunion album in 1972, David Crosby and Roger McGuinn were required to record a joint album together? (My preference would be for the first hook because the alternate secondary hook may need rewording, since the proposed David Crosby/Roger McGuinn album was never actually recorded.) --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 21:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- The hook needs to link to the article, Byrds (the album, not the band). See the other hooks for examples, or see I4. Art LaPella (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- A bigger problem is that the article's prose, which we define to exclude the lists and references from Byrds (album)#Personnel onwards, has not been expanded fivefold as described at F1 (unless one of the hard-to-detect exceptions applies). 15500/3771=4.1x expansion. We encourage nominators in this situation to add more prose. Art LaPella (talk) 02:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I've reworded the first hook so that it actually features a link to the article in question. As for the article's length, that's a shame, I was aware that it was a little less than a x5 expansion but I hoped that it was near enough. I'll have to try expanding the article and get back to you. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Miguel Angel Sano
- ... that if Dominican baseball player Miguel Angel Sano signs with the Minnesota Twins, he will receive the largest bonus for a Latin American player from outside of Cuba in 2009, and the second highest bonus ever for a Dominican amateur?
5x expanded by GlassCobra (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: "... that if Dominican baseball player Miguel Angel Sano signs with the Minnesota Twins, it would be the highest international signing bonus in Twins history, more than the Twins spent on 70 international prospects from 2006–08 combined?" (No objection to rewording either hook. A hook could also be designed for the controversy surrounding his age and the investigations that have been conducted, see article for details.) GlassCobra 15:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Yusei Kikuchi
- ... that Japanese high school pitcher Yusei Kikuchi could be the first player to bypass a domestic draft and come play for a Major League Baseball team?
Created by GlassCobra (talk). Self nom at 14:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: "... that if Japanese high school pitcher Yusei Kikuchi bypasses his domestic draft and comes to play for a Major League Baseball team, he will be the first to do so?" (No objections to rewording the hook, improvements welcome over my clumsy attempts here. Basically, Kikuchi could be the first player to bypass the Japanese draft and come to America to play for MLB.) GlassCobra 14:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Donna Mae Mims
- ... that Donna Mae Mims, known as the "Pink Lady" of racing, became the first woman to win a Sports Car Club of America national championship in 1963?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Saint Melangell's Church, Pennant Melangell
- ... that the shrine at Saint Melangell's Church, Pennant Melangell, (pictured), is reputedly the oldest Romanesque shrine in Britain, dating from the early 1100s?
5x expanded by Geaugagrrl (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
William B. Quandt
- ... that the book The Israel Lobby credited the Brookings Institution for having William B. Quandt (pictured) as its Middle East policy expert, citing his "well-deserved reputation for even-handedness"?
Created by CasualObserver'48 (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 19:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Lake George, New York)
- ... that the Lake George, New York, post office (pictured) features aspects of modernistic and Art Deco architecture on a basic Colonial Revival building?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Source does not mention Streamline moderne and building does not look nautical or curved; Streamline moderne is not same as Moderne. P.4 mentions the "influence of modernistic ideas" and P. 6 discuss those details which "recall the more modernist characteristics of the Art Deco and Moderne styles". It does not exactly say the details are "touches" or elements of Art Deco or Moderne. Maybe okay paraphrasing if "streamline" is left out. doncram (talk) 04:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Reworded. Daniel Case (talk) 22:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Lhasa Zhol Pillar
- ... that the tall stone Lhasa Zhol Pillar (c. 764 CE), which stands neglected below the Potala Palace, is inscribed with the oldest known Tibetan writing and records the capture of the Chinese capital in 763?
Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 15:38 14 October 2009(UTC)
Battle of Unsan
- ... that during the Korean War, the Chinese victory over the US 8th Cavalry at Unsan was a mistake?
- The end of this is incredibly vague. How was it a mistake? To which side? Why not a better Alt about it being the biggest US defeat in the conflict? Skinny87 (talk) 11:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
5x expanded by Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Jim101 (talk) 05:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that the first Chinese encounter with the US forces during the Korean War, which resulted in the destruction of the US 8th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of Unsan, is considered to be an accident by the Chinese military?
- ALT 2: ... that the defeat of the US 8th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of Unsan has been called "one of the most devastating US losses of the Korean War."? Jim101 (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit unsure about the last one because technically Task Force Faith is the most devastating US losses of the Korean War. Jim101 (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Observations, systematical and geographical ...
- ... that Observations, systematical and geographical, on the herbarium collected by Professor Christian Smith, in the vicinity of the Congo, during the expedition to explore that river, under the command of Captain Tuckey, in the year 1816 became known as "Brown's Congo"?
Created by Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 00:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see much sense in this 267 character hook, merely introducing two alternative names, and do suggest renaming the article into Brown's Congo and find a better hook. This long name is not fun, but nuisance as some fields (like edit summary) can't properly handle it. Materialscientist (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- The technology should serve the needs of the encyclopedia, not the other way around, so I don't see much of a problem with this.
- The hook doesn't do more than introducing two alternative names, but I do think that it will elicit interest into the article, which is what DYK hooks should do. It is too long, true, but if ever there was an article for which that rule should be ignored, this would be it. Ucucha 12:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see much sense in this 267 character hook, merely introducing two alternative names, and do suggest renaming the article into Brown's Congo and find a better hook. This long name is not fun, but nuisance as some fields (like edit summary) can't properly handle it. Materialscientist (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- One chooses the most appropriate name for the article, not the most convenient name for the DYK hook. If the length of the name prevents it appearing on DYK, so be it. Hesperian 15:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- The cuteness of the hook is in the name, and its length really prevents much else from going in. I thought it was good, as does Hesp. Matter of opinion really. Not sure what else we can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I understand, but this looks like a show-off. Hundreds (if not thousands) of documents of that time had long, funny sounding (to us now) names like this. This does not mean we should revert to that style and (re)name all WP articles. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an odd argument. Has anyone suggested we should rename all Wikipedia articles in the style of 19th century documents? Does using the title of a 19th century document as the title of an article on that document imply anything at all about article titles in general? If you don't like the hook, that's fine; but your comments on the appropriateness of the title are both incoherent and off-topic. Hesperian 02:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- No hard feelings. To me, this is a policy argument - long names are simply inconvenient to handle and do not appear nice when bolded in a hook. If others think its fine for DYK, I would gladly accept that. Materialscientist (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an odd argument. Has anyone suggested we should rename all Wikipedia articles in the style of 19th century documents? Does using the title of a 19th century document as the title of an article on that document imply anything at all about article titles in general? If you don't like the hook, that's fine; but your comments on the appropriateness of the title are both incoherent and off-topic. Hesperian 02:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- I understand, but this looks like a show-off. Hundreds (if not thousands) of documents of that time had long, funny sounding (to us now) names like this. This does not mean we should revert to that style and (re)name all WP articles. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Per materialscientist, this name is much too unwieldy, and in any case it violates WP:MOS which states that the most common name should be used, which by the article's own admission is "Brown's Congo". Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- WP:MOS says no such thing. Nor does WP:NC, which is what you probably meant. And the article does not say that. Three strikes; you're out. :-) Hesperian 00:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- NC is a subpage of MOS. And the article clearly states that "Brown's Congo" is what the book "became known at the time". As to your final point, I note that NC-BK has only recently been changed to state that "the title" should be used rather than the most common name. So I'd say that's more like three balls on your part. Gatoclass (talk) 02:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Per materialscientist, this name is much too unwieldy, and in any case it violates WP:MOS which states that the most common name should be used, which by the article's own admission is "Brown's Congo". Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- The cuteness of the hook is in the name, and its length really prevents much else from going in. I thought it was good, as does Hesp. Matter of opinion really. Not sure what else we can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would question the use of this particular title for the article as well. As seen at this image, which is identified as being the original publication of this work, the original title was Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on Professor Christian Smith's Collection of Plants from the Vicinity of the River Congo. That's a long title, but it's something like 100 characters shorter than the one currently being used for the article. It's not clear to me that the use of the current extremely long title comports with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed a few hours ago. I had been going by this version. I agree that a move may be warranted. But I'll have to check my other sources first; Brown had a habit of giving his offprints/preprints slightly different names to the original publications (see, for example, On the Proteaceae of Jussieu), and in that case all we can really do is use the name preferred by reliable sources, regardless of whether that is the "original" name. Hesperian 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits gives a rough idea what I'm talking about. If we exclude Wikimedia projects, the "on Professor" version gets 9 hits, and the "on the herbarium" version gets nearly 300! Hesperian 03:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Assuming that the "on the herbarium" version is the more appropriate version to use, it would then seem that the proper title under Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books)#Subtitles would be Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on the Herbarium Collected by Professor Christian Smith, in the Vicinity of the Congo. Looking at the version you cited, since "Congo" is the last word on the title page to be printed in large type, "during the expedition to explore that river, under the command of Captain Tuckey, in the year 1816" should get relegated to being a subtitle and left out of the title of the Wikipedia page. Alternatively, the main title could even be cut off after the word "Herbarium" as that appears to be printed in the largest size of type. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits gives a rough idea what I'm talking about. If we exclude Wikimedia projects, the "on Professor" version gets 9 hits, and the "on the herbarium" version gets nearly 300! Hesperian 03:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed a few hours ago. I had been going by this version. I agree that a move may be warranted. But I'll have to check my other sources first; Brown had a habit of giving his offprints/preprints slightly different names to the original publications (see, for example, On the Proteaceae of Jussieu), and in that case all we can really do is use the name preferred by reliable sources, regardless of whether that is the "original" name. Hesperian 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would probably make more sense, if you're going to go down this route, to use Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on the Herbarium Collected by Professor Christian Smith. If you stop at "Herberium", I don't think it identifies the work sufficiently. Gatoclass (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, assuming that "most common name" no longer applies to book titles, which seems to be the case, then I think it would probably make more sense to end at the word "Congo", as Metropolitan has suggested, as the rest can be considered a subtitle. That is where other resources appear to assume the subtitle begins. Gatoclass (talk) 02:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would probably make more sense, if you're going to go down this route, to use Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on the Herbarium Collected by Professor Christian Smith. If you stop at "Herberium", I don't think it identifies the work sufficiently. Gatoclass (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 12
Casa Paoli
- ... that the Casa Paoli (pictured) was a wedding gift to the great Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli's parents, getting married after having five children already?
Created by Mercy11 (talk), Doncram (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook needs revising. Just getting this in to start process. doncram (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the Casa Paoli (pictured) was a wedding gift to the parents of the Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli, who already had five children together at the time of their marriage?
- ALT2... that the Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli was inspired to sing opera during visits to the La Perla Theater, six blocks from his childhood home Casa Paoli (pictured)? Geraldk (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook needs revising. Just getting this in to start process. doncram (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 is closer to the source, to be honest Teatro La Perla can be expanded by itself, so maybe its better to avoid using it in an unrelated DYK. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I like ALT 1 better for being closer to the source, too. To unwrap it differently, so it does not start to seem that it was Antonio who had 5 children already, how about:
- ALT3... that Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli's birthplace, the Casa Paoli (pictured), was a wedding gift to his parents, who already had five children together at the time of their marriage?
- That gets in "birthplace" as well, conveying Paoli was not one of the first-five born (he was 7th of 8 actually), and more importance for the house. doncram (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Fir'im
- ... that after the former Palestinian Safad village of Fir'im was depopulated in 1948, the Israeli settlement of Hatzor HaGlilit was established in 1953 about 1 kilometre southeast of the former village?
5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk) and Huldra (talk). Self nom at 11:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Casting defect
- ... that there are five main types of metal casting defects: gas porosity, shrinkage defects, mold material defects, pouring metal defects, and metallurgical defects?
Created by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- (i) A few "citation needed" tags need to be taken care of; (ii) the article (and maybe the hook) should comment on the cast materials being considered. Is it only metals? (iii) The reference says that those 5 are major in sand casting. Is it correct to generalize the hook on other types (die casting, for example)? A few words on that would be nice in the article. Materialscientist (talk) 10:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I've addressed point 2 and noted that the article is in reference to metal casting. I've also updated the hook to reflect that. As for point 1, I don't know of any DYK rules that prevent them from being in a DYK article as long as they don't compromise the hook. As for point 3, you are correct that the ref states that it is in reference to sand casting, however the they are also perfectly applicable to any other metal casting method. I'll see if I can find a ref. Wizard191 (talk) 16:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Maurycy Orzech
- ... that Maurycy Orzech, along with Leon Feiner, wrote the telegraph which informed the Bundist member of the Polish government in Exile, Szmul Zygielbojm, about the outbreak of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?
Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Apostolic Prefecture of the United States
- ... that the Apostolic Prefecture of the United States was formed in 1784 after the end of the American Revolutionary War, with Pope Pius VI approving John Carroll (pictured) as its first Superior of the Missions?
Created by ADM (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 20:34, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Chinese in Palau
- ... that in the 19th century, the Chinese in Palau consisted of labourers and traders who intermarried with the local Palauans?
Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Psalmotoxin
- ... that psalmotoxin is a spider toxin from the venom of the South American tarantula Psalmopoeus cambridgei (pictured)?
Created by Cansu&myrthe (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 08:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- - Date, Length good - references are all arranged very neatly at the bottom of the page. Offline refs accepted in GF. Good to go - I.M.S. (talk) 01:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Great article, but I'm sure all fellow severe arachnophobes on here will be grateful – pace WP:NOTCENSORED – if this image is not featured on the home page... I jump every time I see it and take a while to calm down. Ericoides (talk) 10:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Then we need it for Halloween, scarier hook? ... Victuallers (talk) 12:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Great article, but I'm sure all fellow severe arachnophobes on here will be grateful – pace WP:NOTCENSORED – if this image is not featured on the home page... I jump every time I see it and take a while to calm down. Ericoides (talk) 10:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- - Date, Length good - references are all arranged very neatly at the bottom of the page. Offline refs accepted in GF. Good to go - I.M.S. (talk) 01:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
CALERIE
- ... that the CALERIE study subjects humans to a 25% reduction in food calories over a two-year period, to determine if calorie restriction prolongs life and reduces the incidence of cancer and cardiovascular disease?
Created by AxelBoldt (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- length is good and citation is good, but seeing nothing that indicates this is a notable topic? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times Magazine had a 6-page article about it, mainly because this is the first study to investigate the effects of prolonged calorie restriction in healthy humans. Prior longevity studies dealt with laboratory animals. I added a sentence to this effect to the article. AxelBoldt (talk) 04:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- comment: The idea that reducing calorie intake improves lifespan is interesting. I'm guessing that was what the NYT article was on. A particular research group with a name and a logo that is looking at a notable idea is maybe not itself notable.... until they get a nobel prize and then ... Victuallers (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- A single article, even at 6 pages, is really not enough to show notability. It is interesting, but if only one third-party source gave it any notice... -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- The Economist had an article about it as well, listed in the article. Lexis Nexis search for "CALERIE" gives 41 hits internationally. PubMed gives 17 hits. AxelBoldt (talk) 13:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I've heard the idea long ago, but perhaps many people have not, and I think popularizing it would only do good. Indeed, the novelty here is not the idea, but the large-scale, long-term experiment on humans. It might be too recent for books. A comment from a doctor would be appreciated. Otherwise I would promote this nom. Materialscientist (talk) 12:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- The Economist had an article about it as well, listed in the article. Lexis Nexis search for "CALERIE" gives 41 hits internationally. PubMed gives 17 hits. AxelBoldt (talk) 13:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times Magazine had a 6-page article about it, mainly because this is the first study to investigate the effects of prolonged calorie restriction in healthy humans. Prior longevity studies dealt with laboratory animals. I added a sentence to this effect to the article. AxelBoldt (talk) 04:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Gwyn Shea
- ... that Gwyn Shea resigned as Texas secretary of state in 2003 to become a lobbyist for Harrah's Entertainment Company?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ... that Gwyn Shea lobbied for privatization of the state lottery after resigning as Texas secretary of state in 2003 to accept employment with Harrah's Entertainment Company?
- ALT 2 ... that after resigning in 2003 as Texas secretary of state, Gwyn Shea accepted employment with Harrah's Entertainment Company and lobbied for privatization of the state lottery?
Sephardic Bikur Holim Congregation
- ... that Rabbis Abraham Maimon and Solomon Maimon of Seattle's Sephardic Bikur Holim Congregation (synagogue pictured) claimed descent from Maimonides?
5x expanded by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 01:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 11
List of BC Lions head coaches
- ... that all three former head coaches of the BC Lions already inducted in the Canadian Football Hall of Fame, Annis Stukus, Eagle Keys and Cal Murphy, had losing records coaching this football club?
Created by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk). Anon. nom at 02:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Life on Another Planet
- ... that Life on Another Planet, a graphic novel by Will Eisner, has been called by James Morrow, “a kind of science fictional Bonfire of the Vanities"?
Created by Cyclopia (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- There are large sections with no inline citations, and at least one citation needed tag. Geraldk (talk) 21:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for your review! Of course more RS would be better. Actually, however, the few inline citations cover nonetheless practically all of the content of the article -how many references we need for the plot? As per the citation needed tag, I agree, even if I remark that, given the plot of both is documented, to declare that the premises are obviously similar is more matter for WP:COMMONSENSE than for WP:SYNTHESIS. If you anyway have detailed suggestions on how to improve the inline citation coverage, let me know. Thanks again. --Cyclopia - talk 21:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Also, I noticed that articles above show 4-5 references, on par with this one, but have been deemed OK. This is fine, but I would like to know more details on which criteria should I satisfy. --Cyclopia - talk 21:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Sure, and all fair questions. General practice is to look for a minimum of one reference per paragraph. In particular with an article like this, this is to make clear that the article is not original research. You may also want to read this. Geraldk (talk) 22:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Kupala and Kostroma
- ... that the Slavic folk song "Kupala and Kostroma" was used in a Russian Snickers commercial?
Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 17:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I strongly recommend researching reliable sources before labeling any pop song Slavic (sic) folk. It might be folk but not as old as it seems. NVO (talk) 21:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Listening to youtube I would say it is a pop remix based on a folk song. Thus "Slavic folk song" should be replaced by something (e.g. "Russian song") but then the hook becomes too uninteresting for DYK. Materialscientist (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I saw the shortage of published sources, how about ALT:
- ... that the folk song "Kupala and Kostroma" was later renamed and the lyrics altered because of pagan references? Brand[t] 06:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Pagan has unclear meaning, and the article neither explains nor provide refs on why it was renamed. Actually, I don't see any reason why this article should be promoted at DYK - nothing appealing there, IMO. Materialscientist (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Read the last referenced sentence in the Background section. Brand[t] 14:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, my mistake, but. Reading the references brings a new picture - that the lyrics was lost and rewriten recently. There is also quite a story behind the renaming, association with a "heretic" folk celebration, etc. If all this is reflected in the article, it might become more interesting. Also, the ambiguity in the pagan article needs to be fixed by some comment. Materialscientist (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- This Russian source mentions an original lyrics coming from the 10th century. The song, even if not predated the Christianization of Kievan Rus', was about Slavic gods, that's why one can apply the words "pagan" or "polytheistic". But it's a matter of choice still...Brand[t] 19:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Let me clarify, if the article is enriched with the pertinent historical details, which came up in this thread and in the quoted references, it can be suitable for DYK. In the present form, it simply posts and explains the song lyrics, which would hardly be interesting to DYK readers. Materialscientist (talk) 05:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- This Russian source mentions an original lyrics coming from the 10th century. The song, even if not predated the Christianization of Kievan Rus', was about Slavic gods, that's why one can apply the words "pagan" or "polytheistic". But it's a matter of choice still...Brand[t] 19:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, my mistake, but. Reading the references brings a new picture - that the lyrics was lost and rewriten recently. There is also quite a story behind the renaming, association with a "heretic" folk celebration, etc. If all this is reflected in the article, it might become more interesting. Also, the ambiguity in the pagan article needs to be fixed by some comment. Materialscientist (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Read the last referenced sentence in the Background section. Brand[t] 14:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Pagan has unclear meaning, and the article neither explains nor provide refs on why it was renamed. Actually, I don't see any reason why this article should be promoted at DYK - nothing appealing there, IMO. Materialscientist (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
ClearCurve
- ... that Corning's ClearCurve optical cable is hundreds of times more flexible than conventional fibers, allowing it to be pulled through walls and around sharp corners in fiber to the home installations?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Could you help finding the references for the hook ("hundred times", etc, parts) ? Materialscientist (talk) 10:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Added, from the original Corning page. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Honestly, I like the article, but fear unjustified claims (specifically, the hook says "hundreds of times"). Ref. 5 is a self-citation by Corning, a page advertising their own product. Ref. 6 does not say hundreds and I have some reservation about its language ("just one tight turn around the bookcase and the signal is kaput". Questionable :-). A modest and well-referenced claim should pass. Materialscientist (talk) 06:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- This Corning landing page (ref 5) states, and I quote, "Corning ClearCurve single-mode optical fiber is hundreds of times more bendable than standard single-mode fiber". I realize that claims an amazing advance in the state of fiber, but that's why it should be in DYK.
- What exactly is your "fear" based on? Do you have any reason to suspect this hook isn't perfectly accurate? If you don't believe that Corning's own claims of Corning's own products are accurate, can you demonstrate this "fear" with your own 1st party, credible references? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I believe a DYK hook, which is based on a one-sentence popular advertisement by a company of its own product, is at least questionable. You should know better than I that the majority of such ads are "not exactly accurate". Also, I could define "hundreds of times more bendable" in several ways and would expect the article to be clear on that rather than leave me guessing. So, if you please set aside your usual biting of the referees and fixed that point, this nom could be rectified in no time. Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 10
Tony Chua
- ... that despite playing high school association football for the Letran Squires, Tony Chua managed the Barako Bull Energy Boosters at the Philippine Basketball Association?
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- The article needs a thorough copyedit, and we need a new hook. His playing football and managing the PBA team seem to have nothing to do with each other, so it doesn't make sense that they would be linked in this way in a hook. Geraldk (talk) 00:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- It just seemed odd that a person who played football in his teens managed a basketball team later in life. It;s like Sir Alex who'd manage the Lakers. –Howard the Duck 03:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- It isn't clear from the original hook that the distinction you suggest is the point of the hook. Proposed alts:
- ALT1... that Tony Chua, the coach of the Barako Bull Energy Boosters at the Philippine Basketball Association, was killed in an accident during Tropical Storm Ketsana (Ondoy)?
- ALT2... that after playing association football and coaching the Philippine women's national football team, Tony Chua switched sports to coach a team in the Philippine Basketball Association?
Articles created/expanded on October 9
Martha Wainwright discography
- ... that Martha Wainwright has contributed backing vocals on all of her brother's studio albums, and was a featured performer on his 2007 tribute album Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall?
Created by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Disappearance of Aisling Symes
- ... that Asian women have been left traumatised and questioned by police investigating missing two-year-old Aisling Symes in New Zealand?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- "and" ??? do you mean "When" or "after" or ...
- ALT1... that a number of Asian women were mistakenly questioned by police investigating the disappearance of Aisling Symes, a two-year-old girl, in New Zealand?
Store Wars (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends)
- ... that the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends episode "Store Wars" was written by the series' co-developer, Lauren Faust (pictured)?
Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Proposed ALT1: ... that the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends episode "Store Wars" was released on DVD with an audio commentary in which the characters discuss events not seen in the episode? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hm...that one does sound better. I'd suggest going with the ALT1. The Flash {talk} 05:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- That one's 'much better. Series co-developer co-writes episode? Not like that's ever happened before. Daniel Case (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Articles for Oct 31 - Halloween ... See special page below
The special nominations page for Halloween 2009 is at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Halloween_2009 and has more than 15 entries so far.
Chauchilla Cemetery
- ... that bodies buried in Chauchilla Cemetery still retain skins and hair?
Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
St Mary's Church, Walberton
- ... that a 1767 gravestone (pictured) at St Mary's Church, Walberton shows the victim crushed under a tree, as a laughing skeleton and scythe-wielding Father Time look on?
- Comment: Started 18th Oct. Sussex has lots of morbid gravestones; this is the spookiest I've come across so far.
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 18:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Chris Massoglia
- ... that the theatrical release of The Vampire's Assistant, starring Chris Massoglia, was moved to October 2009 from 2010 so that it could open prior to the highly-anticipated vampire picture New Moon?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer: My Life at Rose Red
- ... Inspired by The Blair Witch Project, Stephen King conceived the idea of presenting The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer: My Life at Rose Red as a real work by having the fictional "Dr. Joyce Reardon" edit it?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- thanks Victuallers (talk) 16:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Bopath Ella Falls
- ... that one thousand human sacrifices are required to retrieve a treasure hidden in the Bopath Ella Falls?
- ALT1:... that the Bopath Ella Falls are said to be haunted by the ghost of a girl who had killed herself by jumping into it?
5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 12:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- fine ... I prefer the first as sadly many watery spots have suicides Victuallers (talk) 16:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Demons of Sri Lanka
- ... that on every Wednesday and Saturday, all demons assemble to give an account of their activities to their king?
- ALT1:... that on every Wednesday and Saturday, all demons assemble to give an account of their activities to their king, and later engage in merry–making?
- Comment: Demons partying... those guys must be so cool :P
Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 06:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Haunted Island
- ... that the 1928 silent action film serial Haunted Island featured episodes with titles such as "The Phantom Rider," "The Haunted Room," "The Fires of Fury," and "Buried Alive"?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article fails to adequately deal with the topic and just barely meets length requirements. It just has the list of episode titles, a very short synopsis, and 3 "production" sentences. To have eight sources, surely more can be said? Also, what makes the titles "lurid"? or interesting? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is a matter of opinion whether the article "fails to adequately deal with the topic..." It is only Start-class, not C-class, B-class, or GA. If it meets length requirements, it meets length requirements. Any assertion that "surely more can be said" questions whether a lost film (which has not been seen since 1928) can be described more fully. Do you have inside knowledge which supports this claim? Have you read the sources cited? One person's "lurid" ("shocking, horrifying; melodramatic") is another person's "tame," although I think there is a clear case in favor of judging "Phantom Rider" and "Buried Alive" as lurid (e.g., melodramatic). - Tim1965 (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm... this looks good enough to me. But whatever problems there may be with the article are surely not enough to reject the hook straight away? Maybe until (and if) any improvements can be made, but this shouldn't be rejected outright for such a small problem IMO. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 15:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I changed the symbol...though I'm not sure its a small problem. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Adequate coverage of the topic is a criteria for a DYK. It is "classified" as Start because someone put it there. As someone who works with film articles, I'd call it a stub, not a start. There is little information in teh article, and there is a reasonable expectation that if there are eight sources mentioning it, that something else can be said about it beyond what is there. If not, I'd question its notability at all, if those eight sources do nothing but mention it in passing. I see nothing "lurid" about any of those titles, but if it is a direct quote from a source, it should be quoted as such. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Reeri Yakseya
- ... that Reeri Yakseya, who is believed to be the most cruel and powerful demon in Sinhalese folklore, can assume 18 different apparitions?
- ALT1:... that Reeri Yakseya stands beside dying men, holding a rooster and a club in his hands and a human corpse in his mouth?
- Comment: Shorter than the previous one (and just past the character limit), but worth a shot I think.
Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 16:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Baz's Culture Clash
- ... that half-Egyptian Bazil Ashmawy spent a night with ghostbusters in a haunted shopping centre and was hypnotised by a coven of witches to meet his ancestors for his TV show Baz's Culture Clash?
5x expanded by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
MayKay
- ... that The Sunday Business Post praised Fight Like Apes frontwoman MayKay, noted for playing the drill and keyboard with her head, for her "long black hair and banshee wail"?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles for November 26 - U.S. Thanksgiving Day
Unthanksgiving day
- ... that Unthanksgiving day is held annually on Alcatraz Island to serve as a counterpoint to the traditional Thanksgiving story and to give thanks for Native American survival in the face of genocide?
Created by Tulkoju (talk), Drmies (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
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