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:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px|link=]] Date, length, and hook check out, but have you reviewed another DYK nom? '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 21:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC) |
:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px|link=]] Date, length, and hook check out, but have you reviewed another DYK nom? '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 21:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC) |
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Articles created/expanded on January 17
Pacific Center for Human Growth
- ... that the Pacific Center for Human Growth (pictured) in Berkeley, California is a LGBT community center that was started in 1973 as a response to a "brutal gaybashing in Oakland"? Thisbites (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Can we include this picture too?Thisbites (talk) 08:22, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Created by Thisbites (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length checks out. Creation date was actually January 18, not January 17, so that's fine too, but the nomination should be moved. Article looks good but there is no reference for the bit about Will Roscoe and the United Way or the paragraph about Oakland-East Bay Gay Men's Chorus. Also the hook fact is referenced just to the organization's own website (and it would be nice to say more about the Oakland incident, like when it happened if you don't want to include the victim's name). It would be desirable to have a better reference for this fact, especially since it's the hook. Also, note 2's content seems to be exaggerated in the text. I see one anti-gay slur and one swastika mentioned there, not multiple anti-gay graffiti plus the specific word plus multiple swastikas. Perhaps there is another source you were also using? If not, the paragraph needs to match what the source says.Yngvadottir (talk) 18:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- What hook would you suggest instead?Thisbites (talk) 15:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- The hook seems fine, it's the referencing needs beefing up. Can you find anything in the Bay Area newspapers substantiating the link between the Center's foundation and the crime in Oakland, and that would enable you to give a smidgen more info about the crime? Similarly can you find press sources for the 2 other pieces of info? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- I note the paragraph on the vandalism has now been changed to fit the source. I went ahead and added additional sources myself. (Which is not to say there aren't more hiding in newspaper indexes.) So now it needs a 2nd reviewer because I'm too involved. But I would judge it ready. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the help, no I have not been able to find anything else. I suspect there is more hiding in the Oakland Tribune but their search sucks and I don't have lexus nexus =(Thisbites (talk) 00:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Are we done here yet?Thisbites (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I do have access to LexusNexus, if you email me I have 18 newspaper matches that I can send back to you as a PDF (no guarantees they will sort out the DYK issues but they will probably be of use to the article quality). Fæ (talk) 21:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- sounds great! please doThisbites (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- I tried sending you a link by email yesterday, here's a temporary GDoc link - Newspaper sources Fæ (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- sounds great! please doThisbites (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- I do have access to LexusNexus, if you email me I have 18 newspaper matches that I can send back to you as a PDF (no guarantees they will sort out the DYK issues but they will probably be of use to the article quality). Fæ (talk) 21:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Are we done here yet?Thisbites (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I just looked at the new citation added to the sentence linking the crime and the founding but it doesnt mention this center at all.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- ok so how bout we rely on the organization's claim on good faithThisbites (talk) 22:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- I dont think so. The citation is false, which throws credibility off. To be notable enough for a hook, we need something more reliable than what the center itself considers a brutal gaybashing incident.Thelmadatter (talk) 03:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the help, no I have not been able to find anything else. I suspect there is more hiding in the Oakland Tribune but their search sucks and I don't have lexus nexus =(Thisbites (talk) 00:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- which citation is false?Thisbites (talk) 19:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- One of the citations which is the basis of the hook. The one to the organization's website is OK but the other one goes to a newspaper article that doesnt even mention the topic.Thelmadatter (talk) 19:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 22
Death and funeral of Leonid Brezhnev
- ... that because Leonid Brezhnev (pictured) had more than 200 decorations, it was decided to break the Soviet custom of featuring only one decoration on cushions during his funeral?
Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 22:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, ref and date check out, but the section is a copyright violation, as it copies several sentences verbatim from the sourse. Arsenikk (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reworded now (reviewed Barack Obama speech at Tucson memorial). Twilightchill t 00:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still see issues with the article. I did a quick spot check, comparing the "Death and declaration" section of the article with the Time magazine article identified as a source for it. The similarity of the words in "after a faltering appearance or an unexpected absence from a meeting demanded by protocol" (in the source) to "due his faltering appearance and his absence in crucial meetings demanded by protocol" (in the article), together with similarity in overall structure, gives me concern that the Wikipedia article is not sufficiently original. Moreover, a person's physical appearance is not typically described as "faltering"; I believe the statement in the Time article was intended to indicated that he had faltered during public appearances. Also, I find it odd that the Wikipedia article uses all this to indicate that his death was widely expected, when the Time article indicates that his death had come as a surprise, since he had been maintaining a rigorous schedule and had spent 2 hours outdoors in the cold at a public appearance three days previously. Although I did not find sentences copied directly from the source, the coincidence of unusual wording like "faltering appearance" and "demanded by protocol" is troubling, particularly when it looks like the meaning of the source has been lost at the same time the words were kept. --Orlady (talk) 00:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Working: I'm working on it. --TIAYN (talk) 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Egads! How did this article get listed as a Good Article? It's been edited, but the specific concerns I mentioned above still have not been addressed... --Orlady (talk) 14:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 23
Pacific East Mall
... that Pacific East Mall is an Asian Mall in Richmond, California's Annex?
Created by Thisbites (talk). Self nom at 04:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- How bout,... that Pacific East Mall is an Asian Mall in Richmond, California's Annex that has had friction with the environmental group Friends of the Five Creeks over the stewardship of Cerrito Creek?
- ALT2: ... that Pacific East Mall, an Asian mall in Richmond, California, has had friction with the environmental group Friends of the Five Creeks over the stewardship of Cerrito Creek? - PM800 (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Which part is that?Thisbites (talk) 15:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed I don't have a source stating that there are Asian restaurants and products at an Asian Mall, I thought that would be obvious and could be accepted on good faith.
- Note: Friends of the Five Creeks was separately nominated for DYK, so this looks like an opportunity for a double hook. However, Friends of the Five Creeks is currently at AfD. --Orlady (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't really understand what is being disputed the citations simply explain what the press coverage has reported, The disputor seems like they are related to the mall in some way actually.Thisbites (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not related to the mall. The controversy section is from the FFC perspective and uses an environmental article as a "news" source. It's not NPOV.m.cellophane (talk) 22:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)m.cellophane
This look good to go now.Thelmadatter (talk) 19:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Youre right, its not long enough. I get only about 1300 characters.Thelmadatter (talk) 20:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
1500... be aware that different editors use different methods to count characters, so its best to be over by at least 200.Thelmadatter (talk) 23:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article prose is currently 1281 according to DYKcheck. Rcej (Robert) - talk 08:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 24
SS. Cyril, Methodius, and Raphael's Church (New York City)
... that the distinguished former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan from New York was a parishioner and cast his first vote in the former St. Raphael's Church, then an Irish Roman Catholic parish in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, New York City, which merged with the Croatian Roman Catholic parish of SS. Cyril & Methodius in 1974 to create the New York's Croatian Catholic parish of SS. Cyril, Methodius, and Raphael's Church (New York City)
5x expanded by User:James Russiello (talk). Self nom at 16:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Relevant article is not bolded; hook is 438 characters long, possibly a record! See the rules. Johnbod (talk) 17:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not a record by a long shot. Our Lady of Victory's Church (New York City) above has a 542 character hook! Schwede66 17:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the distinguished former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a parishioner and cast his first vote in the former St. Raphael's Church in New York City? Johnbod (talk) 17:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date and expansion length verified. References somewhat verified for Johnbod's hook to the NYC Organ History Website except for the ambiguity about what kind of vote it was. I would assume it was a vote in a public election but then there is nothing to clarify that it wasn't a parish board vote or something similar. While the NYC Organ History seems like a reliable source for church details, I don't know how reliable it is as a public voting record. If this could be clarified (both with the reference and in the hook itself), I would also recommend dropping the unneeded "distinguished" which, though appropriate for a former US Senator, can come across as POV to folks of different political persuasion. AgneCheese/Wine 11:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- The distinguished comes from the fact that Senator Moynihan (1927 – 2003) was a member of both Democratic and Republican presidential administrations, including President Johnson's Assistant Secretary of Labor, presiding in part over the War on Poverty initiative, and was involved in the Nixon Administration, as well as being a Us. Senator, he was the US Ambassador to the UN and involved in New York City politics and had an academic career. The city's Pennsylvania Station remodeling, which is located near this church and in his home neighborhood, is scheduled to be renamed after him.---James R (talk)
- While I personally have no problem with the "distinguished" descriptor, I'm well aware of the hyper sensitivities that people have with the main page when it comes POV and politics. We've had people start WP:ERRORS and Village Pump threads over a lot less. But if an admin wants to take the hook, as is, that is up to them. But we still have the issue of the the "first vote" being vague with only the NYC Organ History webpage being used and not providing clarification of whether this was a public election vote (which would be notable) or a parish/church vote, which is rather mundane. AgneCheese/Wine 03:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- The distinguished comes from the fact that Senator Moynihan (1927 – 2003) was a member of both Democratic and Republican presidential administrations, including President Johnson's Assistant Secretary of Labor, presiding in part over the War on Poverty initiative, and was involved in the Nixon Administration, as well as being a Us. Senator, he was the US Ambassador to the UN and involved in New York City politics and had an academic career. The city's Pennsylvania Station remodeling, which is located near this church and in his home neighborhood, is scheduled to be renamed after him.---James R (talk)
- ALT2: ... that former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a parishioner and cast his first vote in the former St. Raphael's Church in New York City?
- Struck out the original hook for clarity. Provided ALT2 without "the distinguished" as an alternative to the possibly controversial ALT1. Schwede66 22:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The wording is better but neither the article nor the reference used for the hook makes any reference of what exactly this first vote was for (a public elections parish board, whether to approve funding for expansion, etc). With the reference only being "NYC Organ History website" (versus, say, a public voting record on a government site), I don't feel comfortable giving an approval tick for something so vague. AgneCheese/Wine 22:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Breeding Ground (band)
... that Breeding Ground were a popular 80s post-punk band, based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and that they were asked to open for famous groups such as Bauhaus, The Stranglers, and Echo and the Bunnymen due to their national radio airplay?
Created by AirCombat (talk). Self nom at 23:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- The hook is much too long, at 236 characters (checked using Microsoft Word, with spaces). Are you able to bring this down under 200 characters? Arctic Night 22:17, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Suggested more concise hook by third party (191 characters):
- ALT1 ... that Breeding Ground, a 1980s Toronto-based post-punk band, were asked to open for famous groups such as Bauhaus, The Stranglers and Echo & the Bunnymen due to their national radio airplay? --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me! Thanks Fuhghettaboutit! AC (talk) 02:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- You're welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me! Thanks Fuhghettaboutit! AC (talk) 02:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Here's another: (199 characters)
- ALT2 ... that Breeding Ground, a post-punk Toronto band founded in 1981, opened for popular bands such as Bauhaus, Echo & the Bunnymen and The Stranglers because of their hit single "Happy Now I Know" featuring Molly Johnson on vocals? AC (talk) 03:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Lind Tower on January 28th, 10:40PM EDT. AC (talk) 03:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've struck out the original hook for clarity, and amended the ALT hooks to avoid redirects. I've also linked to Bauhaus (band) rather than the German design school. A reviewer (or the nominator) may want to check whether this problem arises in the article, too. Schwede66 17:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- I also just reviewed Ralph Crosthwaite for kicks. He had a good hook and an interesting article. AC (talk) 02:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length and date of creation check out, but the article does not contain inline citations for any of the facts mentioned in the lead (opening for Bauhaus, The Stranglers, Echo & the Bunnymen, or Happy Now I Know being a hit, or Molly Johnson's contributions). --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 09:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 26
William Stanley Jenkins
- ... that flying ace William Stanley Jenkins scored his first two confirmed aerial victories while still posted to hospital?
Created/expanded by Georgejdorner (talk). Nominated by Self (Georgejdorner) (talk) at 23:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length, hook ref verified. However, the refs are bare URLs (see Rule D3. Please format per WP:Citation templates before approval. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- I lack the skills to fix this problem. Consider this nomination withdrawn. Georgejdorner (talk) 15:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- No! The article is too good to pass up. I formatted the references for you. However, one reference, "aerodrome", is a malicious link. Do you have another link that verifies the information? Also, please add some categories to the article so it's complete for DYK. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
2011 State of the Union Address
- ... that the 2011 State of the Union Address was a speech given by President Barack Obama on January 25, 2011, in the chamber of the United States House of Representatives.
- ALT 1.
- ... that the 2011 State of the Union Address was the first State of the Union address with Speaker of the House John Boehner seated behind the American President Barack Obama?
--BabbaQ (talk) 20:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- This article was heavily expanded on January 26.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- You shouldn't assume that everyone knows which country you're talking about or who Boehner is or what the president is president of. Alt 1 doesn't answer any of these questions. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- DYK tool link does not confirm expansion. I have the following lengths using MS Word.
- 801 Chars as of 18:56, 19 January 2011
- 935 chars as of 11:20, 21 January 2011
- 1090 chars as of 23:05, 25 January 2011
- 4454 chars as of 18:30, 31 January 2011
- 4444 chars as of now.
article fails to meet 5x starting from the begining of the 26th, we have a 4.08x expansion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that bulletpoints don't count in readable prose. You might want to prosify or lengthen.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Bright Lights, Bigger City
- ... that "Bright Lights, Bigger City" is the third single from American soul singer Cee Lo Green's third studio album, The Lady Killer?
- ALT1. ... that singer Cee Lo Green appeared on Saturday Night Live to perform "Bright Lights, Bigger City", the third single from his album The Lady Killer, backed by an all-female band?
Created by Mikoism; nominated by BabbaQ (talk) 19:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Everything seems to check out in terms of creation, size, references, and etc., but the hook seems a bit dull. Is there something more interesting to dredge up? Also, fix the two all-caps reference titles to be title case instead. — KV5 • Talk • 23:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 27
Tourism in Åland
- ... that a major attraction for tourists in Åland is the islands' having more sunshine hours per year than anywhere else in Scandinavia?
- Reviewed: The Best American Magazine Writing 2007 ([1])
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Three of the four sources go to Visit Aland, which is pretty much a primary source, since it is "Åland's official tourist and member organisation". And the final source is just an Excel spreadsheet with statistics on it. While i'm sure that the subject is notable, I am pretty much considering the article to be unreferenced at this point. If you wish for this DYK to go through, please find actual reliable sources on the subject. SilverserenC 01:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Interesting argument, although that page comes from the government of the Åland Islands - and the final source comes from the official statistics office of the government of the Åland Islands. The day we start regarding government statistics as unreliable is the day I retire from Wikipedia :D Arctic Night 02:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- I think i'm going to need someone else to give a second opinion on this then, since, yes, it is from a government website, but i'm not sure what the rules are for an article sourced entirely to primary sources. Primary sources are allowed, obviously, but I thought there had to also be secondary coverage involved. I'll ask on the DYK talk page for some answers on that. SilverserenC 02:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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- Since we're now discarding sources published by the Government of the Åland Islands as 'unreliable', I have gone ahead and added some secondary sources to the article - in fact, almost all of the statements on the article now have a secondary source supporting it. These include books, non-government web sites, etc. Arctic Night 17:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've removed my review symbol. Can someone else please review this? SilverserenC 06:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I should add that the original reviewer's concerns regarding secondary sourcing have now been addressed, as far as I can tell. Everything else seems OK - just waiting on another reviewer to take a look. Arctic Night 11:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I would argue that the second source is not independent of the subject itself as a tourism organization. Can you find a source that is not somehow related to Åland, its government, or its tourist industry to support the claim? Interestingly enough, a quick google search of "+Åland sunshine" gives only the government/tourism website results, plus a bunch of other sites parroting the same claims word-for-word, and a bunch of unrelated news articles and sites, which makes me wonder if it's not just a publicity gimmick. A meteorological source would be nice. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 10:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Tourism in Abkhazia
- ... that despite it being illegal under Georgian law for foreigners to enter Abkhazia without notifying the Georgian government, the territory's Black Sea beaches continue to attract tourists?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Great article, interesting--but that hook, I think, needs better sourcing. This article has 1992-1993 numbers (just over 200,000) and the claim that tourism now is almost back to normal. This article does make the 300,000 claim, but that's hardly a reliable source (and it's in terrible English, also not a confidence booster). I don't think that the 300,000 number is verifiably certain at all, and would propose tweaking or changing the hook. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Besides, it would be nice for the hook to clarify that it is illegal under the laws of Georgia (a country that has no de facto authority in Abkhazia) for foreigners to enter the country, not under the laws of Abkhazia. Ucucha 02:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've added 'technically', although since de jure Georgia does have sovereignty over Abkhazia, I don't think any further elaboration is necessary. Arctic Night 03:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, the governments of Abkhazia and Russia would disagree that it is even "technically" illegal; they'll say that Georgia has no business at all prohibiting people from Abkhazia. Besides, it's not illegal even under Georgian law for foreigners to enter Abkhazia, as long as the Georgian government is informed. Ucucha 03:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Heh, let's not turn this into a debate over who has the right to control Abkhazia! I've clarified the wording of the hook to leave no doubt that it's under Georgian law under certain circumstances. Arctic Night 03:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't want to debate that either; my point is that such a debate is possible and bypassing the issue is not neutral. I have no problems with the new wording of the hook. Ucucha 12:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- I am not sure the hook is actually correct. As far as I know entering Abkhazia is not illegal under Georgian law, as Abkhazia is considered a part of Georgia. But what is illegal is interacting with the Abkhaz government, i.e. getting your passport stamped. It is perfectly possible and as far as I know legal to cross from Georgia into Abkhazia, as long as you avoid a passport stamp. There is no Georgian passport control at the Gali border. In fact, crossing from Russia into Abkhazia and then into Georgia is not possible, as you would illegaly enter Georgia, i.e. without any Georgian passport control. Pantherskin (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- "The Georgian Interior Ministry proclaimed "visiting Abkhazia and South Ossetia without the knowledge of the Georgian authorities" as a criminal offense in late August." - this is directly from the source cited in the article. As far as I can see, it is illegal for foreigners to enter Abkhazia under Georgian law. Arctic Night 19:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed, the source cited quite clearly states that Georgia has prohibited visits to either of the two breakaway states without the knowledge of the Georgian government. Unless you (Pantherskin) have a better source, we'll have to stick with that. Ucucha 20:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
(←) *Thanks Ucucha - is anybody willing to actually put a tick on this one now? It's been sitting here at the nomination stage for quite a while... Arctic Night 15:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- The state-owned RIA Novosti is probably the worst possible source for such claims about Georgian legislation, give the history of misinformation and propaganda when it comes to Georgia. See for example [3] for a description of what the actual rules are, or similar the travel warning of the UK [4]. There are unfortunately some other issues too - the warning of increased crime for example is more than seven years old, as the source was published in 2003, even before the Rose Revolution. Not clear at all from the article that this is historical information. Pantherskin (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- "...history of misinformation and propaganda..." - really? 'Misinformation and propaganda' are fairly strong words. In fact, the source you gave ([5]) actually supports the hook - thank you! It states exactly what the article does. Arctic Night 22:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- As a matter of fact, I think Pantherskin may well be right. His sources state that Georgia has prohibited people from entering Abkhazia (or South Ossetia) from Russia, because that would mean entering Georgian territory without going through a Georgian border checkpoint, and therefore entering Georgia illegally. The hook fact (that it is illegal for anyone to enter Abkhazia without permission from the Georgian government) is different, and seems less plausible to me. Ucucha 23:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- [6], Quote: "The original version of this article wrongly stated that Georgian law does not allow foreigners to enter South Ossetia or Abkhazia." Pantherskin (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- And here is a translation of the law [7]. Probably an official translation as it is published on the webpage of the Georgian parliament. See clause 4. Pantherskin (talk) 23:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Pantherskin - again, that source supports the hook - "a jail term of up to four years for foreigners who enter the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia using checkpoints that are not controlled by Georgian authorities." Arctic Night 18:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- I give up. What the law and the other sources say is quite obviously different from what the hook says. It seems that this is just another example of how misguided the whole Wikicup is, if factual accuracy is less important than getting this article on the main page. Pantherskin (talk) 19:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hook: illegal under Georgian law for foreigners to enter Abkhazia without notifying the Georgian government. Claimed to prove the hook is wrong: Georgia has prohibited people from entering Abkhazia (or South Ossetia) from Russia, because that would mean entering Georgian territory without going through a Georgian border checkpoint, and therefore entering Georgia illegally. I...honestly utterly fail to see the difference between these two statements, and/or how the second proves the first wrong? It appears to me that the first is just a simple way of saying the second - since it's illegal to enter Abkhazia from Russia, since that would involve entering without passing through a Georgian checkpoint, therefore it's illegal to enter Abkhazia without the Georgian government being aware, yes? - The Bushranger One ping only 19:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- No. Notifying is not the same as crossing a border and showing a passport. And once you have entered Georgia, say via Tbilisi airport you can visit Abkhazia and the Georgian government will not be aware of this visit (because you neither required to notify them nor is there a passport control in Gali/Zugdidi). Pantherskin (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, I see the point...in that case, this should probably get a until a revised hook is provided (assuming the article doesn't make the same claim as well...). - The Bushranger One ping only 19:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Syaoran (Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle)
- ... that the main protagonist from the manga series Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle, Syaoran, ends up becoming one of the series' main antagonists?
Created by Tintor2 (talk). Self nom at 19:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified creation date (formerly a redirect page.) Length is good. Suggested alt:
- ALT1:... that Syaoran, the main protagonist in the Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle manga series ends up becoming one of the main antagonists?
- The reference for the character's being an antagonist is in Japanese, which I'm willing to accept in good faith, but there is no direct inline citation to support the claim of his initial status as a protagonist. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 09:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 28
Constantine Dalassenos (duke of Antioch)
- ... that the Byzantine general Constantine Dalassenos came twice close to ascending the throne and marrying the porphyrogenita Zoe, but was rejected in favour of less independent-minded candidates?
Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 00:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- - Did you review another article before nominating this one? The new DYK rules suggest that you "indicate at your nomination which nomination you have reviewed and provide a link to the diff for your review," so if you have reviewed an article, I suggest you let us know which one it was. Arctic Night 01:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Erm, the DYK rules say that I can put my DYK nom here, and then I have to review another one. I didn't have time to do so immediately. Anyhow, I have reviewed Battle of Grochowiska. Constantine ✍ 09:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Right, and us DYK reviewers usually leave some time for the nominators to review something before leaving a note to say they haven't. However, the gap here was nearly two hours... while I accept you may have been doing something else during that time, I couldn't have known that. Arctic Night 20:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: shouldn't the article be at Constantine Dalassenos (Duke of Antioch) (with a majiscule D in duke)? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 10:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. "Duke" here is not the title of nobility, but the anglicization of the Greek doux, which was a military post. Both forms are used in English literature, but more recent works tend to use the lower-case form (Google Books search). Constantine ✍ 12:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 29
Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota)
- ... that the three story Grand Hotel (pictured) of New Ulm, Minnesota still shows the signs of when it was a two story building?
Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 06:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed W. Scott Heywood. --Bobak (talk) 06:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length and date verified. Offline sources can be accepted in good faith, however I fail to see the in-line citation. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 08:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- Per dyk rules, the hook should have in line citation - even if its the same source for the entire para, can you pl add the citation at the end of the hook as well. Furthermore, the language in the hook is slightly different from whats on the page (still shows the signs of when it was a two story building vs The remnants of a cornice are visible just above the keystones on the second story). I would prefer if the same language was used in both hook and article (I take it that the offline source matches the article in good faith). Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 05:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the rules in this instance. The rule says "fact must be mentioned in the article and cited with an inline citation." The fact is mentioned in the article, and it is cited properly via in-line citation; it is not usual to keep using the same citation in succession (except, sometimes, when we're using quotes). We do give our readers credit for understanding that a cornice is part of a roof, this isn't Simple English Wikipedia. --Bobak (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- That certainly is the normal rule for citation. However, for dyk there is something more "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." (see [8] for more information). Yes, thats my point! Why not use the same word in the hook. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 04:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- Again, I disagree with your interpretation of the rules. It isn't an extraordinary claim by any stretch. The fact that you can see the remains of a cornice between the second and third floors of a building that used to be two stories does in fact show signs of when it was a two story building. There is no synthesis. There is no need for stating what you're asking. I've had plenty of AGF hooks approved that didn't require such bureaucratic back-flips. It's clear and plain English. --Bobak (talk) 18:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
ATG asked me to review this and comment. Standard practice for a DYK hook, even if it's in a paragraph that is one of several with the same running citation, is that it must be cited individually since it is being offered up for potentially greater scrutiny on the Main Page. I have had this rule applied to many of my own hooks and have always complied. Daniel Case (talk) 16:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 30
Dreamscape (2007 film)
- ... that the 2007 independent feature film Dreamscape was expanded from 63 minutes to 86 minutes based upon a suggestion from reviewer M. J. Simpson?
Created by Daniel J Fox (talk), MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 07:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Article went to AFD on 3rd day after its creation... so the DYK clock stopped ticking on February 3. BUT in the meantime this new article also went through a 5x expansion. I expect it to survive AFD and have chosen to DYK as a new article, though a DYK based on expansion would also apply. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
- Update: Article survived AFD.[9] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
OK but the hook mentions "63 minutes" (not 64) and "86 minutes" in two separate sentences which need to have citations at the end of them. Can you rewrite the sentence containing the 86-minute reference? It is entirely too long and too hard to read.Thelmadatter (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ouch. My bad. Thanks for catching that typo and clunky sentence. I have now made the corrections and reworked the sentences... for readability, and to reflect in just one sentence that the extended version went from 63 minutes to 86 based upon the reviewer's suggestion. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
GTG Thelmadatter (talk) 20:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Sigur Plateau
- ... that the Sigur Plateau is a wildlife corridor which is important for maintaining the genetic diversity of elephants (pictured) and tigers in South India?
Created by Marcus334 (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- I started review of Sunny South (clipper).-Marcus334 (Talk) 06:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- The abbreviated form of citations needs to be expanded so that the reader can identify them.--Wetman (talk) 05:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Moved full reference to its first mention, so
- 16. ^R. Sundararaju, p. 3 and other R. Sundararaju references are easily identified with:
- 4. ^R. Sundararaju, I.F.S., Chairman of the experts committee, Principal Chief Conservator of Forests & Chief Wildlife Warden, (2009-10-13), REPORT OF THE EXPERT COMMITTEE FORMED IN PURSUANCE OF THE DIRECTION OF THE HON'BLE HIGH COURT IN W.P.NO.10098/2008, 2762 & 2839 of 2009., Chennai: Tamil Nadu Forest Department, p. 6, retrieved 2011-1-28
- Repitition of full reference for diferent pages of same source is not necessary.
- Just go to first citation, clik link and scroll to page indicated.
- Otherwise I misunderstood meaning of 'expanded' above and specific clarification needed-Marcus334 (Talk) 01:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Sunny South (clipper)
- X ... that the Sunny South (also called Emanuela or Manuela), captured in 1860 with a cargo of over 800 slaves, was considered the fastest ship sailing out of Havana, and one of three American-built clipper ships in the 1850s slave trade?
Created by Djembayz (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sunny South (clipper) was not linked in hook. I fixed it
- First fact improperly referenced. Neither fact can be confirmed without hard copy. It's a well known book. Someone should be able to check.-Marcus334 (Talk) 06:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Original hook, at 232 characters, is over the 200 limit. ALT1 is 198. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Sunny South, captured in 1860 with a cargo of over 800 slaves, was considered the fastest ship sailing out of Havana, and one of three American-built clipper ships in the 1850s slave trade?
- Thanks for help-- corrections are needed. Should have waited till the next day and looked it over! Chappelle is not available online but is a standard book. If you can work the name "Manuela" into the DYK, it seems to be the second most commonly found form.
- Corrected version: ... that the Sunny South, captured in 1860 with a cargo of over 800 slaves, was considered the fastest slaver sailing out of Havana, and one of three American-built clipper ships in the 1850s slave trade?Djembayz (talk) 04:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- First fact improperly referenced. Neither fact can be confirmed without hard copy. It's a well known book. Someone should be able to check.-Marcus334 (Talk) 06:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Commented on Chautla Hacienda. I have less than 5 DYK; still getting up to speed on all this.
Articles created/expanded on January 31
Handel Festival Halle
- ... that Howard Arman conducted George Frideric Handel's opera Tolomeo in 1996 for the Handel Festival, Halle?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- for 23 February, Handel's birthday, for which the article was requested. Howard Arman was expanded, but not 5x. - reviewed: Hamaxitus --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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- The older one is called Göttingen International Handel Festival (but you would not find it looking for Handel), also Handel Festival Göttingen. The third one in Germany: Karlsruhe. Talking about the Bach cantatas we went for "the least cluttered". If you have a comma in the name, you have to remember to add one after the apposition. The festival could be called just Handel Festival, because it seems to be The Handel Festival, but that would probably cause trouble in Göttingen and Karlsruhe, smile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- forget all that, was moved, not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- In this case (tempted to say The Handel Festival),
- ALT1:... that Howard Arman conducted George Frideric Handel's opera Tolomeo in 1996 for the Handel Festival in Halle, where the composer was born on 23 February 1685?
- Reviewed article appeared already, link changed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
There are paragraphs lacking inline citations.Thelmadatter (talk) 16:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- refs and info added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Please check the 2nd, 5th and last paragraphs. If its separated by a space from another paragraph, it needs a citation.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- They were separated for clarity, now I moved them together or postponed, for formality. The article was originally translated from de - without any sources given but a book. I trust that the still unreferenced details are in the book. I could drop them but think they might be of interest to some readers. The prize details are in the respective de-article, the opera details in the opera-articles. - Please also consider Mr. Arman - who was up for deletion - as a 2*BLP expansion in:
- ALT2:... that Howard Arman conducted George Frideric Handel's opera Tolomeo in 1996 for the Handel Festival in Halle, where the composer was born on 23 February 1685? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Minuscule 71
- ... that according to Scrivener, there are a few manuscripts of the Greek New Testament from the 12th century, with equal importance as Minuscule 71?
- Reviewed: Samaikyandhra Movement
5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length and recent 5x expansion check out fine. However, I have some stylistic concerns with the hook and with the article itself. First of all, the hook as currently written says that there are "a few manuscripts" of the period with equal importance, when the source actually states, "Few MSS. of the 12th century will be found to equal it in weight and importance."[10] There seems to be a difference between saying that there are "a few manuscripts" as good as this one, versus saying that "few manuscripts" are as good as this one. Second, some sentences in the article are grammatically incorrect, such as It contains Epistula ad Carpianum (Epistle to Carpian) at the beginning of the codex, lists of the κεφαλαια were placed before each Gospel in the 15th century, and slight illuminations before each Gospel. and According to Scrivener there are a few Greek manuscripts of the New Testament from the 12th century "will be found to equal it in weight and importance". Third, the article includes foreign language phrases to too great an extent for an English Wikipedia article (see Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Use other languages sparingly). For example: According to the colophon (in red), on folio 263 verso, the manuscript was written in ετει απο χριστου αρξ, but αρξ as year is not authentic, it was overwritten by later hand, the real year was σχξη. and Scholz had noted that "familiae plerumque adhaeret Constantinopolitanae" (today called as the Byzantine). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Epistula ad Carpianum is translated in the brackets, lists of the κεφαλαια I have changed into "tables of the κεφαλαια (tables of contents)". αρξ and σχξη are more clear now. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Please note that the sentence with "Epistula ad Carpanium" in it was cited above as grammatically incorrect, not as one of the sentences containing excess foreign language verbiage. Other sentences with grammatical problems in the article include He bent his attention it its illustration. and Scrivener did not examined them. I recommend that this article be reviewed by someone who is familiar enough with the topic to edit it properly. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Epistula ad Carpianum is translated in the brackets, lists of the κεφαλαια I have changed into "tables of the κεφαλαια (tables of contents)". αρξ and σχξη are more clear now. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- OK, I made more improvements (also Byzantine text). Is it possible to combine the hook with a new created article?
- Length and recent 5x expansion check out fine. However, I have some stylistic concerns with the hook and with the article itself. First of all, the hook as currently written says that there are "a few manuscripts" of the period with equal importance, when the source actually states, "Few MSS. of the 12th century will be found to equal it in weight and importance."[10] There seems to be a difference between saying that there are "a few manuscripts" as good as this one, versus saying that "few manuscripts" are as good as this one. Second, some sentences in the article are grammatically incorrect, such as It contains Epistula ad Carpianum (Epistle to Carpian) at the beginning of the codex, lists of the κεφαλαια were placed before each Gospel in the 15th century, and slight illuminations before each Gospel. and According to Scrivener there are a few Greek manuscripts of the New Testament from the 12th century "will be found to equal it in weight and importance". Third, the article includes foreign language phrases to too great an extent for an English Wikipedia article (see Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Use other languages sparingly). For example: According to the colophon (in red), on folio 263 verso, the manuscript was written in ετει απο χριστου αρξ, but αρξ as year is not authentic, it was overwritten by later hand, the real year was σχξη. and Scholz had noted that "familiae plerumque adhaeret Constantinopolitanae" (today called as the Byzantine). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Minuscule 71 and 827 belong the the textual Family 1424, which still deserves a more textual study than received? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The length and date of Minuscule 827 (Gregory-Aland) check out fine, but I'm going to request that another editor evaluate the hook and overall quality of the articles, rather than myself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:25, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
2011 24 Hours of Daytona, Joey Hand, Memo Rojas
- ... that Gray's Anatomy star Patrick Dempsey (pictured) placed third in his class in the 2011 24 Hours of Daytona endurance race, won overall by a team comprising drivers Scott Pruett, Memo Rojas, Graham Rahal and Joey Hand?
- Reviewed: 1973 DeKalb-Peachtree Airport Learjet 24 crash
- Comment:
Race article was created for ITN, but looks like it won't make the cut there.Also yes, over 200 char hook, but as I recall multiple hooks are given a bit of leeway there?
2011 24 Hours of Daytona, Joey Hand created by The Bushranger (talk). Memo Rojas 2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Expanded Memo Rojas per the unreferenced BLP rule. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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- Since this has been around for a bit, this might make sence: after it's approved, could it be run on the 20th, perhaps, at the 1pm Eastern Time update? (Since that would be around the start of the Daytona 500). - The Bushranger One ping only 06:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Added alternative pic for alt1. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Daytona Prototype (cars pictures) drivers Scott Pruett, Memo Rojas, Graham Rahal and Joey Hand co-drove the winning car at the 2011 24 Hours of Daytona?
Canadian mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
- ... that one Canadian Mining firm in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, First Quantum Minerals, is estimated to be the Republic's largest taxpayer, US$57m. - roughly equal to the entire Congolese health budget?
- ALT1:... that Canadian mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo involves fifteen major Canadian mining companies holding 118 mining titles with investments totaling Cdn.$1.4 billion?
- Comment: Spotted this phenomenally long and well sourced new article in newpages
Created by IVX8O8XVI (talk). Nominated by Zachlipton (talk) at 20:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 1
Bleeker Ridge
- ... that Canadian rock band Bleeker Ridge came together in 2003, when the youngest members were 12 years old?
Created by Scorpion0422 (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hook cited. Length good. Meets WP:BAND & other policies. Article was created on 1 Feband nominated on 9 Feb, so it was 8 days old. This is probably not an issue unless there is too much of a backlog. Removed (pictured) because there is no image in nomination, and the one on the page is not good at 100px. --Dbratland (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Oliver Lewis (violinist)
- ... that Oliver Lewis (pictured), founding member of the electronic music group Deviations Project, is considered to be the "world's fastest violinist"?
Created by Daicaregos (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
not yet, the image needs to be approved through OTRS first.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Techno Viking
- ... that Techno Viking has received more than 20 million clicks on YouTube and given rise to more than 700 responses and remixed versions?
Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 17:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- Created out of redirect. There were and are a couple of lines in Fuckparade. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Hallsteinn Sigurðsson: diff Yngvadottir (talk) 15:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- - Sizing, hook, sourcing all checks out okay. A most interesting article. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The Princeton Companion to Mathematics
- ... that The Princeton Companion to Mathematics is edited by Fields medalist Timothy Gowers and includes contributions from four other Fields medalists?
- ALT1 ... that The Princeton Companion to Mathematics is the 2011 winner of the Mathematical Association of America's Euler Book Prize?
5x expanded by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 03:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- (Note: the Euler Book Prize article is also new, but I haven't bolded it because I'm unsure whether it qualifies: it has >1500 characters of prose, but most of it is in a list.) —David Eppstein (talk) 04:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
National Liberation Army (Peru)
- ... that Javier Heraud and Edgardo Tello were hailed as "guerrilla poets" after their deaths serving in the Peruvian National Liberation Army?
Created by HelperMonkey (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
(oddly, you do not seem to have a "Warrior Poet" article to which I can link...very odd) HelperMonkey (talk) 00:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment HelperMonkey just registered yesterday; this is the first time s/he has tried for a DYK. Nyttend (talk) 17:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- Is that not allowed? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by HelperMonkey (talk • contribs) 23:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- No no, it just means you are not obliged to review another DYK submission. You're good, no worries, and thanks for joining the team. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- OK, this is interesting stuff, but I'm not ready yet to OK it. Sourcing is a bit of an issue: obviously, many of the references are not available online, and while that is not mandatory it does help. Using citation templates would be an improvement also, and there are too many entries that lack basic bibliographic information--in the current version], notes 2 through 9, basically. Also, I can't verify note 1--and notes 1, 5, and 6 are necessary to verify the hook, as are notes 3 and 4. I see also that the Javier Heraud article lacks proper verification through reliable sources.
So, it's not just a matter of cleanup, it's also the sourcing that needs to be taken care of before it can get to the front page... Drmies (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Olav Braarud
- ... that Olav Braarud was the last managing director of the Oslo light rail company Holmenkolbanen that hailed from Sør-Trøndelag?
Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Karl Bernhard Zoeppritz
- ... that Karl Bernhard Zoeppritz (pictured) was a German geophysicist whose equations use seismic waves to map underground features?
Created by Kwinkunks (talk). Nominated by Reynardo (talk) at 03:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Edited hook to remove underscores in links and bold main article. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 14:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 2
Christian Wilhelm Franz Walch
- ... that C. W. F. Walch in his main work "Entwurf einer vollständigen Historie der Ketzereien" (1762–1785) claimed for the heretics a place in the church?
- ALT1:... that Christian Wilhelm Franz Walch in his history of the church, published in 1762–1785, claimed for the heretics a place in the church?
- Reviewed: William Matthew Scott
Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 18:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Amraal Lambert, Leonardville, Namibia
... that of the 500 remaining Namibian San speaking Taa, over 50 reside in Leonardville?
- ... that when Amraal Lambert, Captain of the Kaiǀkhauan in South-West Africa, moved from Leonardville to ǂKoabes, he could not pronounce the Nama name of the settlement and changed it to Gobabis?
Leonardville created by Namiba (talk), Pgallert (talk). Amraal Lambert created by Pgallert (talk). Both nominated by Pgallert (talk) at 19:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC) and 21:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- reviewed Block cellular automaton, Norman Margolus (check) --Pgallert (talk) 19:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
hook reference is is the graphics of ref 3 which lists Leonardville with a symbol meaning "more than 50 speakers".--Pgallert (talk) 19:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)- Changed nom to a double one--as I have already reviewed a double hook I believe my work in this regard is done. --Pgallert (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ref is offline. That Amraal Lambert could not speak Nama is also covered in ref 2 of the Lambert article. --Pgallert (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Space policy of the United States
- ... that, in United States space policy, President Eisenhower sought to avoid a space race due to his belief in small government, but Congress created a NASA much stronger than he had sought?
Created by Antony-22 (talk). Self nom at 06:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Note: I have four DYK credits.
Articles created/expanded on February 3
Cross-country skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Men's 4 x 10 kilometre relay, Birkebeineren Ski Stadium
- ... that more than 100,000 spectators saw Norway lose the men's 4 x 10 km cross-country relay by 0.4 seconds to Italy at Birkebeineren Ski Stadium during the 1994 Winter Olympics?
Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 23:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Evacuations of civilians in Japan during World War II. Arsenikk (talk) 23:53, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Jordon Saffron Taste This!
- ... that in the 2009 independent feature film Jordon Saffron Taste This!, the scenes by Steve Schirripa and Rachel Hunter were done in one take?
Created by Nicodavo (talk), MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that for the 2009 independent feature film Jordon Saffron Taste This!, director Sergio Myers created a filmmaking style he calls "Free Flow Filmmaking"? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Let's see if it passes its AFD first. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 16:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that for the 2009 independent feature film Jordon Saffron Taste This!, director Sergio Myers created a filmmaking style he calls "Free Flow Filmmaking"? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Time Capsule (Parks and Recreation)
- ... that Saturday Night Live comedian Will Forte played a man obsessed with the Twilight series in "Time Capsule", an episode of the NBC comedy series Parks and Recreation?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Guerillero (talk) at 06:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Note: I've reviewed Kildare Street Club. — Hunter Kahn 06:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Because this was already nominated I combined the two nominations together. --Guerillero | My Talk 15:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Jeanne Galzy
... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883-1977) is credited as "one of the pioneers in the writing of lesbian desire and despair"?
Created by LadyofShalott (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 23:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
ALT1= ... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883-1977) was a pioneer in lesbian fiction of desire and despair?
Size and hook seem fine. Posible paraphrase above. Just removing the quote marks might also be appropriate, since the person saying it is not notable enough to have her own article yet. In my time zone it was created February 2, but still nominated in time. A few minor style issues, but these should be doable. Several paragraphs lack citations, so those at least need to be fixed before passing. W Nowicki (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks Nowicki, for putting your finger on the sore spot. Please see the article now. Allow me to tweak your tweaked hook:
- ALT2= ... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883-1977) pioneered the writing of lesbian desire and despair?
- Short and sweet; I hope you like it. Drmies (talk) 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
article worked on as per talk page. I still prefer ALT1 since it has the other link in it, but leave it to the DYK editor's discretion. Certainly a different kind of "pioneer" than the subjects of my recent articles. W Nowicki (talk) 18:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well, the wikilink can be piped/inserted around "writing"? And Lady, I see your objection: it may suggest that but it does not follow that she was the only one. However, if you all agree on ALT1, then take it. I won't stand in the way of propagating lesbian desire. Drmies (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- The alternative hooks proposed above are not acceptable, and I have pulled this from the queue for further discussion. First of all, as LadyofShalott herself pointed out above, they take an opinion from a single source and present it as fact; we can't say this authoer was a pioneer, but only that she is considered a pioneer (by at least one source). Secondly, the amount of paraphrasing was not, in my opinion, sufficient; it's borderline plagiarism. If no one can find an acceptable way to rework this piece of information in the hook, you can look through the article and try to find something else that might make an acceptable hook. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Rjanag, are you saying there is plagiarism in the article, or just that the hook is problematic? 28bytes (talk) 21:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- In the hook. The article uses quotation marks. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- OK, good. I notice that the source used for the hook [11] has a different phrasing entirely: "In the 1970s several authors who were pioneers in the writing of lesbian desire and despair publish new books: Célia Bertin, Jeanne Galzy, Irène Monési." This makes me wonder why it's quoted differently in the first place. Unless I'm missing something, that suggests that ALT1 was a paraphrase, and that the originally proposed hook was simply quoting incorrectly. 28bytes (talk) 21:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- 28, you were right, the quotation marks were not placed correctly. Well, every brief paraphrase of a brief statement could be called borderline plagiarism. How about the very first hook, then, which had "is credited as"? That's similar to "is considered." It also quotes directly, with quotation marks. And if that is unacceptable, how about something like this, "... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883–1977), largely forgotten today, wrote novels dealing with lesbian love and desire?" Drmies (talk) 21:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- No, not every paraphrase is borderline plagiarism. Turning "pioneers in the writing of lesbian desire and despair" into "pioneers in the lesbian fiction of desire and despair" essentially copies the wording of the original with minimal changes ("writing" to "fiction", move the word "lesbian" elsewhere, that's it). It would not be hard to put this into something more resembling your own words, such as "is credited as one of the first authors to write about 'desire and despair' from a lesbian point of view". (I'm not suggesting you use that, it's just to get the ball rolling; clearly it's not quite appropriate, as it has ambiguity and might be taken to imply that she herself is a lesbian, which I don't think is stated in the article. Another alternative might be "is credited as one of the first authors to explore 'desire and despair' in lesbian relationships". You can check the source to see if that's an accurate rendition of what it says.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Look, I'm not going to argue for the strength of the original hook or its tweaks on the basis of a plethora of sources--clearly I can't, since there's only one critic who used the phrase. Your last suggestion is very nice, and you noted another important point, which I have tried to work around also: the implication that she herself was lesbian. But that last suggestion has the same weak point that mine and subsequent versions also had--it really should call for modification in time and place, since (as the source notes) developments in France were different from those in other countries. How about we stick with "... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883–1977), largely forgotten today, wrote novels dealing with lesbian love and desire?", which should be unproblematic in the ways in which the original hook and its tweaks weren't? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- No, not every paraphrase is borderline plagiarism. Turning "pioneers in the writing of lesbian desire and despair" into "pioneers in the lesbian fiction of desire and despair" essentially copies the wording of the original with minimal changes ("writing" to "fiction", move the word "lesbian" elsewhere, that's it). It would not be hard to put this into something more resembling your own words, such as "is credited as one of the first authors to write about 'desire and despair' from a lesbian point of view". (I'm not suggesting you use that, it's just to get the ball rolling; clearly it's not quite appropriate, as it has ambiguity and might be taken to imply that she herself is a lesbian, which I don't think is stated in the article. Another alternative might be "is credited as one of the first authors to explore 'desire and despair' in lesbian relationships". You can check the source to see if that's an accurate rendition of what it says.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- 28, you were right, the quotation marks were not placed correctly. Well, every brief paraphrase of a brief statement could be called borderline plagiarism. How about the very first hook, then, which had "is credited as"? That's similar to "is considered." It also quotes directly, with quotation marks. And if that is unacceptable, how about something like this, "... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883–1977), largely forgotten today, wrote novels dealing with lesbian love and desire?" Drmies (talk) 21:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- OK, good. I notice that the source used for the hook [11] has a different phrasing entirely: "In the 1970s several authors who were pioneers in the writing of lesbian desire and despair publish new books: Célia Bertin, Jeanne Galzy, Irène Monési." This makes me wonder why it's quoted differently in the first place. Unless I'm missing something, that suggests that ALT1 was a paraphrase, and that the originally proposed hook was simply quoting incorrectly. 28bytes (talk) 21:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- In the hook. The article uses quotation marks. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Rjanag, are you saying there is plagiarism in the article, or just that the hook is problematic? 28bytes (talk) 21:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- DYK editors do have discretion, but sorry, I don't get it. Changing words around while keeping meaning is exactly what paraphrasing is. Plagerism is copying whole sections verbatim, without giving credit. Credit is given in the article. Usually more than three or four similar words would be needed to be called plagerism, or a whole sentence. All sorts of other DYKs use only one source for their hook. There is no rule that says more than one source is needed for the hook. There is no rule that the hook must mention the source explicitly. And an "opinon" would be something like "Jeanne Galzy is a great writer". Does every hook that uses three words from the source plagerism? The same rules should apply to this one as other DYKs. To me, "is credited" sounds like weasel words. The fact that she wrote about lesbian desire seems hard to deny, not an opinion. As long as two words does not count as plagerism. Now if you object to the word "pioneer", we can compromise and drop that I suppose. And I would say "love" and "desire" are pretty similar (although not totally of course). And one could drop the vital dates (generally not used in DYKs) and say someting like the following. W Nowicki (talk) 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT4= ... that French author Jeanne Galzy, largely forgotten today, wrote lesbian fiction novels starting in 1929?
- W Nowicki, please read WP:Plagiarism. Text does not have to be 100% copied to be considered plagiarized; unduly WP:close paraphrasing is also unacceptable. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Just a thought. You could engage User:Moonriddengirl who seems, to me at least, to be Wikipedia's queen of copyright violation/plagiarism issues, to take a look at the present article. No disrespect meant to those who have commented thus far, but a second/third expert opinion ....
- Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Feel free to drop her a message. But don't misrepresent my position. I never said there was anything wrong with the article; I pointed out plagiarism in the hook. And that plagiarism, for what it's worth, was fairly obvious. I have been lurking around this project for long enough to see many other hooks with similar issues get in trouble for plagiarism, and this whole project just (a couple months ago) went through massive Wikipedia-wide scrutiny for rampant plagiarism. I do not think you will find any DYK regular who will say the level of paraphrasing in the hook I removed was appropriate. And I won't take plagiarism advice from an editor who believes that "Plagerism is copying whole sections verbatim" and nothing else. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- And anyway I don't see any value in continuing to argue over this. Drmies and I have already suggested alternate hooks. Even W Nowicki has suggested another non-plagiarized hook. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Let's close this, if I may say so, on the ALT hook I proposed (if that hook is OK with other editors, of course), which I'll reprint below. Rjanag, you and I probably won't agree entirely on plagiarism, but that's beside the point and it's not for this venue (I blame myself that were discussing this)--the way I see it, if you think it's wrong then I don't want it; you and I have been here for a while, and we know that WP is about consensus. Derek, please don't suggest (incorrectly) that there's plagiarism in the article; Moonriddengirl is an involved editor anyway since I'm carrying her child. OK, if anyone wants to collapse the entire discussion, that would be fine with me.
I nominated this, I think I can suggest a hook, so here it is:
- ALT2 "... that French author Jeanne Galzy (1883–1977), largely forgotten today, wrote novels dealing with lesbian love and desire?" Drmies (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm fine with this hook, and agree with you about rolling up the discussion. If "one of the first" or something like that is supported by the sources in the article then it might make the hook more eye-catching, but if not then the hook is ok as is, too. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Let's close this, if I may say so, on the ALT hook I proposed (if that hook is OK with other editors, of course), which I'll reprint below. Rjanag, you and I probably won't agree entirely on plagiarism, but that's beside the point and it's not for this venue (I blame myself that were discussing this)--the way I see it, if you think it's wrong then I don't want it; you and I have been here for a while, and we know that WP is about consensus. Derek, please don't suggest (incorrectly) that there's plagiarism in the article; Moonriddengirl is an involved editor anyway since I'm carrying her child. OK, if anyone wants to collapse the entire discussion, that would be fine with me.
- Sure, but I think the rules for plagerism then need to be more precise. Four words (some of which are changed) does not seem "rampant". You could probably take almost any four words and claim that someone somehwere has those same four words in about the same order, especially in books about the same subject. Please do get an expert opinion and share it with us. I certainly could be wrong, but examples given by your suggestion of Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing are in fact whole paragraphs, more than four words. W Nowicki (talk) 04:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Chair (sculpture)
- ... that a woman lived 42 days on the former world's largest chair in 1960?
Created by Missvain (talk). Self nom at 02:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Our Lady of Vilnius Church (New York City)
- ... that Lithuanian president Valdas Adamkus, petitioned Pope Benedict XVI in person in April 2007 to save Our Lady of Vilnius Church from closure and demolition, to no avail?
Created/expanded by James Russiello (talk). Self nom at 16:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
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- The article (about the church) is not mentioned in the hook. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Modified the hook. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 4
Moyes Dragonfly
- ... that the Moyes Dragonfly ultralight aircraft was designed for the specialised role of towing hang gliders, but is also used for herding livestock?
- Comment: Non-self-nom.
Created by Ahunt (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Vetka, Sozh
- ... …that Vetka, (church in town pictured) on the left bank of the Sozh River, in Belarus, is located in an area which was highly radioactive due to the nuclear fallout of the Chernobyl disaster on April 26, 1986?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 08:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment:Double articles hook. Sozh was expanded in User page and moved to main space on 6 February 2011.
- Reviewed Horse racing in Wales--Nvvchar. 08:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Anatolius (curator), 557 Constantinople earthquake
- ... that according to Agathias, Anatolius, killed in his bed by a falling piece of decorative marble shaken off the wall, was the only high-ranking Byzantine official to die in the 557 Constantinople earthquake?
Created by Dimadick (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 02:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that the only high-ranking Byzantine official to die in the 557 Constantinople earthquake was a curator and honorary consul killed by a piece of decorative marble?
- --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 16:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Auchincruive
- ... that Oswald Hall (pictured), former residence of Richard Oswald, the British representative at the 1783 Peace of Paris after the American War of Independence, became a teaching farm in the 20th century?
Created by Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 02:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
- Well-written, nicely-illustrated article, and mostly well-referenced. The image is relevant, included in the article, and CC-licensed. However, some of the hook facts (those relating to Oswald's career) lack a reference. I have tagged the relevant sentences in the article.
Also, the hook is too long: 202 characters is over the limit. Please suggest a shorter hook. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Please do not count "(pictured)". --70.31.10.224 (talk) 06:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Even if we omit "(pictured)", we still have 191 characters, which is too close to the hard limit. I suggest dropping the phrase "after the American War of Independence", as in ALT1 below. Note that the references are still needed before this can be finalised. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Oswald Hall (pictured), former residence of Richard Oswald, the British representative at the 1783 Peace of Paris, became a teaching farm in the 20th century?
- I think it's better to keep "American War of Independence" in the hook in some way. That's one thing in the hook that any general readers of DYK on MainPage can relate to. I don't see any problem with the perfectly legal hook length of <200 characters. --PFHLai (talk) 09:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- And I concur on both points. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think it's better to keep "American War of Independence" in the hook in some way. That's one thing in the hook that any general readers of DYK on MainPage can relate to. I don't see any problem with the perfectly legal hook length of <200 characters. --PFHLai (talk) 09:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
NECA Project
- ... that the Socialite application of the NECA Project allowed "face to face", emotion-based interactions between animated agents on the internet?
Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Arnold Cook
- ... that in 1950, Arnold Cook was the first person to bring a guide dog to Australia?
Created by Moondyne (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
14th Test Squadron
- ... that the United States Air Force's 14th Test Squadron (pictured) was originally activated during the Cold War as the 14th Missile Warning Squadron and assigned to operate radar sites around the United States?
14thTS Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC) 14thMWS Created by Orygun (talk). Nominated by Jsayre64 (talk) at 03:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've taken the liberty of merging this with the 14th MWS hook, as nominated by Jsayre64 here, to make/restore a double hook. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:50, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Bryant W. Bailey
- ... that Bryant W. Bailey, the only Populist delegate to the Louisiana Constitutional Convention of 1898, voted against the document, which contained the discriminatory grandfather clause?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed New Georgia, Liberia.
- Size and date OK. I have two problems with the hook. First, I see a source that Bailey refused to sign the document, I don't see a source that there was a vote or that he voted against. Second, I don't see a source saying that the reason for this declining to sign was the grandfather clause. Perhaps you can point me. --Muhandes (talk) 19:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Two sources: one says, the Constitution contained the grandfather clause. Another says, Bailey was the only delegate to vote against the Constituition. That second source does not say the grandfather clause was the reason for his vote. So I adjusted the hook in case there was another reason for his vote. Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
1947 BOAC Douglas C-47 crash
- ... that Tom Horabin MP survived the crash of a BOAC Dakota in January 1947?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 12:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Bruce Jackson (audio engineer) Mjroots (talk) 12:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- DYK criteria met; offline source accepted IGF. But is the date of publication of the relevant ref correct? It says January 2011; should it not be 1947? Otherwise all OK for DYK. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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- Comment -- should MP be offset by commas in the hook? ex. ... that Tom Horabin,MP, survived...."? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 17:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- No. "MP" is treated for all intents and purposes as part of his name - same with "VC" for Victoria Cross winners, OBE for Order of the British Empire, and so on. The British never offset them. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment -- should MP be offset by commas in the hook? ex. ... that Tom Horabin,MP, survived...."? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 17:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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- The main article is not prominent enough in the link, so I suggest ALT1 below to increase the number of words linked to the crash. When I first saw this hook, I thought that Horabin was the new article, but that page was in poor shape, so I have expanded the Hoarbin article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 = ... that Tom Horabin MP survived the crash in January 1947 of a BOAC Dakota?
- Or: ALT2: ... that Tom Horabin MP survived the January 1947 crash of a BOAC Dakota?
- "January 1947 crash" sounds less awkward than "crash in January 1947". --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 16:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Art of Urartu, economy of Urartu
- ... that the economy and art of Urartu (example pictured) flourished in the 8th century BC only to fall a century later?
- Comment: See [12] [13] [14] Materialscientist (talk) 12:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Created by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 12:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Scientist, can I be picky? In the Art article, for instance, I see that footnotes 4 and 6 have periods but the others have not. Do you care to give it some thought? BTW, those articles are great--thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm doing these one at a time: for Art of Urartu (interesting and well-organized, hook verified). Drmies (talk) 18:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- for Economy of Urartu as well, but I'd like to go over it in some detail before it goes to the front page (I'll do that today/tonight). Scientist, let me know of your punctuation ponderings please. In the meantime, thanks for unlocking a culture I didn't even know existed. (Did you make all of it up? If so, good job!) Drmies (talk) 18:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm done with my minor edits. Next step, after the front page, GA? If so, punctuation (in citations and image captions) will need another look. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- That hook is a bit ungrammatical. Am not! Urartu! How about "... that the economy and art of Urartu (example pictured) flourished around 8th century BC, only for the state to fall a century later?
Thanks for the copyedits! These were quick, reworked translations of FAs from ru.wiki (I even forgot to rewrite a few sentences :-). I stopped GA nominating long ago. References are mostly Russian, old and offline, I have no clear preference for their formatting. Yes, my hook is shaky and comments/rewrites are welcome. ALT1 somewhat detracts from the topic. How about ALT2
- ... that the economy and art of Urartu (example pictured) flourished in the 8th century BC only to decline a century later? Materialscientist (talk) 00:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Given the sources, can we say "in" instead of "around"? (I also threw an article into your hook.) Drmies (talk) 00:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- "In" is fine, replaced. Materialscientist (talk) 23:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Tin-silver-copper. Materialscientist (talk) 23:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Kildare Street Club
- ... that Dublin's former Kildare Street Club is adorned by whimsical beasts, such as monkeys playing billiards (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Sewell Ministry, 1856
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length and refs verified. I'd suggest changing the hook so only the word "pictured" is in parentheses (so it would read, for example, "is adorned by whimsical beasts, such as monkeys playing billiards (pictured)?"). Other than that, though, cool article. — Hunter Kahn 06:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- That's a good suggestion, thanks, I've edited it in. Moonraker2 (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
JB-4
- ... that the JB-4 missile (pictured) was guided via television?
- Reviewed: Lufthansa Flight 592
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Nice article, hook verified, but I have one question, and I'd like another editor (or a few) to weigh in: Is this a reliable source? In my opinion everything hinges on that. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- That's been questioned before. According to the folks at MILHIST, it is - it cites its sources clearly, and has never been questioned by reviewers when it's been used heavily, even in GA reviews. The consensus at WP:MILHIST is that it's reliable. - - The Bushranger One ping only 02:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- If you could point me that way, or if some of those editors could weigh in, we can settle this very quickly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- It was queried as part of a set here; nobody weighed in against it. I also used it heavily in this article, which passed GAR here without any sourcing concern; this GA used it even more extensively, again without concern . :) - The Bushranger One ping only 03:32, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, found it. This was also queried at DYK before, too. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not going to object, but I would like for a seasoned DYK editor to OK it. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've used that site before after finding out Andreas Parsch is a recognized weapons expert, meaning it passes WP:SPS. See [15] and the accompanying quotes, like "Andreas Parsch, a recognized expert on weapons designations, ..." Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not going to object, but I would like for a seasoned DYK editor to OK it. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- If you could point me that way, or if some of those editors could weigh in, we can settle this very quickly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 5
Daimler Reitwagen
- ... that on the first ride of the first internal combustion motorcycle, the Damler Reitwagen (pictured), the seat caught fire?
- Reviewed: Bleeker Ridge
Created by Brianhe (talk), Dbratland (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Long and new enough. Hook fact AGF. I see it started out as a translation of the article on the German Wikipedia, but it's already much more comprehensive, so good work! I note there is inconsistency regarding the length of the first ride; 3 mi in the lead, 3 hectometres in the body of the article, and 3 km in the German version. It would be great if you could tidy that up. Schwede66 17:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- That said, it's a self nomination by User:Dbratland and you've got a dozen DYK credits already. Are you aware that you need to review another DYK nomination as part of nominating your own article? When done, can you please indicate here what you have reviewed? Schwede66 17:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Chengdu Pterodactyl I
- ... that the Pterodactyl I unmanned aerial vehicle can use synthetic aperture radar to conduct reconnaissance missions?
- Reviewed: Flight Avia Flight 7100
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 21:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Betty's Hope
- ... that funds were raised between 1990 and 1995 for restoration of Betty's Hope (Wind mill pictured) in Antigua and Barbuda by organising a concert called "A Penny Concert"?
- ALT: ... that funds for the Betty's Hope (Wind mill pictured) restoration project in Antigua and Barbuda were raised by organising a concert called "A Penny Concert"?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Elton Hotel.--Nvvchar. 02:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The image checks out, but I'm a bit confused by the hook. How could a single concert have been held between 1990 and 1995? Looking at the source for the statement [16], it says 1990/05, I think that means the concert was held in May 1990 (but I could be wrong). I just don't see anything on that page that indicates that more than one occured. I also find the wording awkward. How about, "that funds for the Betty's Hope (Wind mill pictured) restoration project were raised by organising a concert called "A Penny Concert"? -- Scorpion0422 II (Talk) 23:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. You are right. I misread it as 1990-1995. It should obviously be read as May 1990. Made corrections in the text. You suggestion for c Alt hook is OK.--Nvvchar. 02:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- It checks out then. -- Scorpion0422 II (Talk) 02:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Elton Hotel
- ... that it is believed that a visit to the Elton Hotel (pictured) in Waterbury, Connecticut, inspired James Thurber's classic short story "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty"?
- ALT1:... that John F. Kennedy's early-morning speech from the balcony of the Elton Hotel (pictured) in Waterbury, Connecticut, was credited with helping him win the state in 1960?
- Reviewed: Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998 ([17])
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 20:47, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- All good to go though I prefer ALT1 hook.--Nvvchar. 02:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Local government in Sri Lanka
- ... that Sri Lanka has a long history of local government?
- Reviewed: Harry Goodhart
Created by Obi2canibe (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Dull hook. Isn't this true of many other countries? Is there something distinguishing about local government in Sri Lanka? Might as well say "... that the XXXX River will wet you if you touch it?" Daniel Case (talk) 20:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Possibly this, or words to this effect, as an ALT1 (refs [2] and [4] support, at a glance):
- ... that in 1987, Sri Lanka changed its method of electing local government members from first-past-the-post to proportional representation? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Better, I guess. Daniel Case (talk) 04:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Agree to change hook to ALT1.--obi2canibetalk contr 18:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Sylvester H. Roper, Roper steam velocipede
- ... that Sylvester H. Roper's steam velocipede (pictured) of 1867–1869 is one of three candidates for the title of first motorcycle?
- Reviewed: Lester S. Willson
- Comment: Dbratland created Sylvester H. Roper. Both authors worked on Roper steam velocipede.
Created by Dbratland (talk), Per Honor et Gloria (talk). Self nom at 02:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
2010 ACC Championship Game
- ... that by winning the 2010 ACC Championship Game, the Virginia Tech Hokies became the first team in college football history to win 11 consecutive games in one season after losing their first two?
5x expanded by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 11:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not a 5x expansion. Short ~5,000 characters. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 17:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Really? I was pretty sure the prose size had been increased fivefold. JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- On 7 January the prose size was 6638B (1127 words); current version (version) prose size is 29kB = 29000B (4985 words). 6638*5 = 33190. (words: 1127*5=5635). Short on the order of 4190 characters. Measured using the prosesize.js script. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 13:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Damn. Thanks! JKBrooks85 (talk) 03:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Roy John (rugby player)
- ... that Wales rugby union international Roy John could leap over four feet from a standing start?
- Reviewed: Domaine Coche-Dury
5x expanded by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Is the four feet statistic a calculation between John's height (needs citation, but is given in ref#3) and reaching the crossbar (already cited)? If so, I think the hook should be reworded – I assumed that he could jump 4' horizontally from standing. Suggest alt:
- ALT1: ... that from a standing start, Wales rugby union international Roy John could jump up and reach the crossbar set at 3.2 metres (10 ft 6 in) above the ground? matt (talk) 01:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Correct on all accounts, I'm more than happy with the alternative hook. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Baco Blanc
- ... that until the late 1970s, the hybrid grape Baco Blanc was the primary grape behind the French brandy of Armagnac (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Earnest Elmo Calkins
- Comment: Primary refs in lead with Jancis Robinson's grape book (FN#2) and Oz Clarke's (FN#3)
5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Tradition
- ... that scholars estimate that it takes two or three generations for a tradition to emerge?
5x expanded by Piotrus (talk), Sadads (talk), Ragesoss (talk), and Guerillero (talk) and others. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 20:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- A collaboration work by Wikipedia:Ambassadors. Multiple authors (although the template displays only three). Should fit 5x expansion particularly as a lot of older, unreferenced content was (re)moved.
- Reviewed Montague James Mathew. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Haven't copyedited the entire article yet (get on it, Sadads!), but the hook is verified and I think the article is good to go. Drmies (talk) 21:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm thinking that the hook should say either "a tradition" or "traditions". I've gone ahead and changed it to "a tradition", feel free to play around with it as necessary. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to be a spoil sport (again), but 3510 > 13098 isn't a 5x expansion. SmartSE (talk) 21:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Prose size (text only): 15 kB (2273 words) "readable prose size" <- is what I see --Guerillero | My Talk 23:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- We split away Traditionalism (religion) from the original article, if you remove those 250 words (which is an independent article and should have been from the start), you start with 474 words and end with 2458 words that is a more than 5 times expansion. That is still a go. Sadads (talk) 23:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Montague James Mathew
- ... that when confused with Mathew Montagu, the taller Montague Mathew (pictured) claimed "there was as great a difference between them as between a horse chesnut and a chesnut horse"?
- Reviewed: St Nicholas' Church, Buckenham
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 18:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Size, data, hook check out. Good to go! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
John DeStefano
- ... that in 1933, two former Boston mayors and two local businessmen bought materials for art student John DeStefano to create a bronze bas relief portrait of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and paid for him to travel to the White House to personally present it to the President?
5x expanded by GabrielF (talk). Self nom at 17:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hook is too long to hold reader's continuity.
There is no personal box. The article is still listed as stub. Good selection of topic, but I think it needs a little more work. Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Infobox is not a DYK requirement, stub templates are generally removed when an article is accepted for DYK. The article is just barely long enough, but Billy Hawthorn is right, the hook is much too long. Consider these alts instead:
- ALT1:... that art student John DeStefano created the cast bronze bas-relief portrait of Franklin Delano Roosevelt that hangs in the White House Roosevelt Room?
- ALT2:... that artist John DeStefano spent sixty years creating mannequins after deciding that he could not support his family with his art?
- --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 11:27, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Infobox is not a DYK requirement, stub templates are generally removed when an article is accepted for DYK. The article is just barely long enough, but Billy Hawthorn is right, the hook is much too long. Consider these alts instead:
St Nicholas' Church, Buckenham
- ... that in the tower of St Nicholas' Church, Buckenham, Norfolk, (pictured) is a dovecote lined with brick nesting boxes?
- Reviewed: Petra
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- All checks out. Moonraker2 (talk) 18:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
St Botolph's Church, Skidbrooke
- ... that there have been reports of ghosts, and of activity by satanists, in St Botolph's Church, Skidbrooke, Lincolnshire (pictured)?
- Reviewed: 1947 BOAC Douglas C-47 crash
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 12:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- All checks out, ready to go. Moonraker2 (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Cleveland commuter rail
- ... that since the discontinuation of commuter rail in Cleveland, Ohio, there have been at least three proposals for restoring service, but none have progressed beyond studies?
- Reviewed: Cross de San Sebastián
Created by C628 (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- length, sources, age and hook check out. --Guerillero | My Talk 21:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- This an unbalanced article. Its title is "Cleveland commuter rail", but its scope is restricted to the narrower topic of proposals to restore commuter rail to Cleveland. I expected to find a descripton of the commuter rail services which used to operate, but there is very little content on the former service, beyond that it ran "until 1976". When did it start? Who were its operators? How many stations were served on the route?
Additional rules#D7 says that "should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress", and while there's clearly been a lot of good work on this article, one half of it is missing. It may be that this topic would be better covered as part of Erie Lackawanna Railway or Cleveland railroad history. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)- I added a bit from a ref I already used, but I really don't have the time right now to go hunting for a lot of obscure stuff, nor, to be honest, am I optimistic about finding such, and if you think a merge would be a better solution I wouldn't object, though I wouldn't necessarily agree either. In any case, thanks for taking the time and effort to look at this and make suggestions. C628 (talk) 01:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on February 6
HMS Jamaica (44)
- ... that the British light cruiser HMS Jamaica led the bombardment force covering the Royal Marine landings at Port Said, Egypt, during Operation Musketeer in 1956, but she was not permitted to fire her main guns as the Cabinet had banned naval gunfire support by guns larger than 4.5 inches (114 mm)?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Daly's Club
Daly's Club
- ... that Charles Lever wrote of the demise of Daly's Club, Dublin: "nothing in history equals it – except, perhaps, the entrance of the French army into Moscow"?
- Reviewed: Octave Uzanne
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 12:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- looks good.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ernest Lafont
- ... that French socialist parliamentarian Ernest Lafont was expelled from Soviet Russia on Trotsky's orders?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Johanna Mestorf
- ... that the prehistoric archaeologist Johanna Mestorf was the first female museum director in Germany, and at 71 became the first or second female professor?
Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Huejotzingo: diff
- Date, length, and sources check out. The last part of the hook looks a little awkward (the "first or second" part). Maybe alter slightly before promotion to DYK? Ruby2010 talk 18:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing it! I wasn't sure what to do about that. It's the obvious fact to use for the hook, but her own university obstinately contradicts all other sources, without even naming who they consider was first. (My best guess based on lots of searching is Margarete von Wrangell, who was the first ordentliche Professorin). And all I could find in the parts of the book from the conference about her that are on GoogleBooks is a statement that she was "one of the first." Yngvadottir (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe it would be better to say "one of the first" in the hook then, since that would satisfy all sources? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 20:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think that gets us into weasel word territory, and it certainly makes it ho-hum. The annoying thing is that the vast preponderance of sources say she was first - and go on about her staggering achievements and how she was "forgotten." She's now all over the internet and a fixture in books on female academics, German academic history, and the history of archeology, but "she invented the following 3 terms" and "She was the first female museum director in Germany" are boring hooks, and "She only got an honorary doctorate 10 years after she was made an honorary professor, in her retirement year" is not fair to her awe-inspiring career. So that was my problem. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hm. "Is considered by some to be the first"? "Is generally considered to be the first"? Well, darn, you're right. :P --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 20:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think that gets us into weasel word territory, and it certainly makes it ho-hum. The annoying thing is that the vast preponderance of sources say she was first - and go on about her staggering achievements and how she was "forgotten." She's now all over the internet and a fixture in books on female academics, German academic history, and the history of archeology, but "she invented the following 3 terms" and "She was the first female museum director in Germany" are boring hooks, and "She only got an honorary doctorate 10 years after she was made an honorary professor, in her retirement year" is not fair to her awe-inspiring career. So that was my problem. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe it would be better to say "one of the first" in the hook then, since that would satisfy all sources? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 20:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Rule 90
- ... that, in the Rule 90 cellular automaton, any finite pattern eventually fills the whole array of cells with copies of itself?
- Reviewed: Zliten mosaic
5x expanded by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Belemnotheutis
... that the fossilized ink of the extinct squid-like creature Belemnotheutis (life restoration pictured) was used to draw a picture of it 150 million years later?
- ALT1:
... that the fossilized ink of the extinct squid-like creature Belemnotheutis (life restoration pictured) was used to draw a picture of itself 150 million years later? - Comment: I still need to expand with a History section concerning the controversy it caused between Richard Owen and Gideon Mantell, but figured I should post the nomination here while I work on that to avoid missing the 5-day window. The expansion is from a stub and I'm aiming for more than just DYK quality. The picture used is my own work, made for the article as I couldn't find any suitable pictures existing. Also I only have 1 DYK to my name heh, so I think I'm still exempt from the reviewing rule. And to be honest, I need the time to expand.
- ALT1:
5x expanded by Obsidian Soul (talk), Smartse (talk), Mgiganteus1 (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- 5x verified. Would strongly suggest "artist's rendition pictured" instead of "life restoration pictured" as wording change. Facts verified. Some alt suggestions below. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that the extinct, squid-like Belemnotheutis's (artist's rendition pictured) 150-million-year-old ink was used to draw a picture that paleontologists called "the ultimate self portrait?"
- ALT2:... that the 150-million-year-old ink of the extinct, squid-like Belemnotheutis (artist's rendition pictured) was used to draw a picture that paleontologists called "the ultimate self portrait?"
- Agree, this one's much better. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 20:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
St Albans by-election, 1904
- ... that the St Albans by-election in 1904 was triggered by the sale to the Admiralty of two battleships which had been built for the Chilean Navy?
- ALT1:... that during the St Albans by-election in 1904, the Liberal MP David Lloyd George left the city splattered with eggs?
- ALT2:... that the St Albans by-election in 1904 was the only occasion when a Liberal candidate won the seat since its creation in 1885?
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 00:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Auchincruive (Diff)
- Very nice work, and well done. The naval buff in me prefers the original hook, while ALT1 is certainly quirky. ALT2 is intriguing, but has an issue - the fact in the article appears to be uncited? - The Bushranger One ping only 03:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, and pointing out the omission of the refs; now fixed. My own feeling is that: ALT2 is a little boring (first, last, mostest etc makes dull hooks); the original hook is most encyclopedic (combining two notable events); and ALT1 is fun, but a bit tabloid. I'd be happy with any of the 3 hooks, but I think that the original is probably most appropriate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
Museo Regional de Arqueología de la Democracia, Escuintla
- ... that the Museo Regional de Arqueología in La Democracia, Guatemala, was founded to house artefacts collected from the local cotton plantations?
Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Sodom Schoolhouse (Diff)
- good collection, offline source AGF, article name bolded, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Michael Carr (Lib Dem politician)
- ... that in Michael Carr's successful by-election campaign, he issued a leaflet mentioning 26 times that he was local to the constituency?
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Sam Blacketer (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Replaced 's with {{`s}} per rule C7. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: MacHomer
- Comment: The hook is from a 20 year old article in The Guardian. You can't directly access the electronic archive of the paper without a subscription but you are allowed one free article view per day: so if you go here and type in the article title 'Heavy Conservative defections in Ribble Valley', you will get one hit which will be the right article. The reference is in the fourth column. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go. Well-written and balanced biographical article, hook fact verified through the link provided. (For some reason, the nom says "2x expanded", but the body text was actually 10x expanded by the nominator[18]). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Len de l'El
- ... that to keep the French wine grape Len de l'El (pictured) from fading into obscurity, Gaillac wine growers used wine laws to dictate a minimum usage of the grape for all white Gaillac blends?
- Reviewed: John Mohammed Butt
- Comment: Primary ref's Robinson's grape guide (FN#4)
5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Expansion and fact confirmed. Savidan 19:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Cleveland Point Light
- ... that James Troy served as the light keeper of Cleveland Point Light (pictured) for 50 years, the longest serving light keeper at one lighthouse in Australia?
- Comment: Reviewed Bryant W. Bailey
Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 07:06, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
South Carolina v. Catawba Indian Tribe
- ... that every federal judge in South Carolina recused from South Carolina v. Catawba Indian Tribe?
- Reviewed: Len de l'El
Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think this article needs simplification. It is hard to follow the legal ramblings. Shouldn't the hook say "recused themselves" instead of only "recused"? Did you find why those judges recused themselves? Most don't recuse themselves that often, even if they should, right? It's hard to associate this article from the 1840s to the 1980s. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- It's a complicated case there's no doubt, but I've tried to write the article for an intelligent lay audience willing to dig deeper if interested. I added some explanation where the article could bear it, and had to rely on wikilinks otherwise. "Recused themselves" would be wrong because "every" is singular. Judges nearly always do not explain why they recuse and this case was no exception (there was no published district court opinion, much less a published recusal opinion). I'm glad to respond to any other requests for improvement here or on the article talk page, but I don't think the article has to be perfect in order to be a DYK. Savidan 19:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think grammatically speaking the proper form would be ... that every federal judge in South Carolina recused him- or herself from South Carolina v. Catawba Indian Tribe? But nobody talks like that. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Though come to think of it, considering the time this happened, it would probably be ok to say: ... that every federal judge in South Carolina recused himself from South Carolina v. Catawba Indian Tribe? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 05:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that a pronoun is correct, but it is not required. "[X] recused." is used all the time. The verb does not require a direct object. Savidan 19:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- "Recused [oneself]" is the more common form. It just depends on whether recuse is used in the transitive or intransitive form, as it is ambitransitive (see Wiktionary entry.) Frankly I don't care either way; it just sounds more natural in the transitive form. But that's my opinion. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 19:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that a pronoun is correct, but it is not required. "[X] recused." is used all the time. The verb does not require a direct object. Savidan 19:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Horse racing in Wales
- ... that crime writer Dick Francis was a notable figure in Welsh horse racing, becoming British Champion Jockey in 1954?
- Reviewed: Jerry Nemer
Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date and hook ref check out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
MacHomer
- ... that MacHomer, a one-person play blends William Shakespeare's Macbeth with The Simpsons, was conceived by Rick Miller in 1994 while he was playing the minor role of Murderer No. 2 in a production of MacBeth?
- Reviewed: Betty's Hope
Created by Scorpion0422 (talk). Self nom at 23:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article is the right length, and was created on 6 February. The hook is in the linked article and although it is not on the London Free Press website itself but on the Canadian Online Explorer, the fact that the London Free Press is part of the Canadian Online Explorer indicates it is genuine. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:38, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
E Pluribus Unum (Wilson)
- ... that local opposition to Fred Wilson's public artwork E Pluribus Unum may cause sponsors to cancel its installation in Indianapolis?
5x expanded by KMSchmidt (talk), HstryQT (talk). Nominated by Jgmikulay (talk) at 20:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Really great expansion and fascinating article. Quite the drama involving this artwork, hope it all ends well. Missvain (talk) 21:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. It is an interesting comprehensive article and great expansion. It complies with all the DYK rules and has a great hook. I hope it makes it on DYK as it would be great for more people to know about this controversy.Claudiamoon (talk) 20:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Diadectidae
- ... that extinct diadectid reptiliomorphs (life restoration pictured) were the first large herbivorous land animals?
5x expanded by Smokeybjb (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Akodon spegazzinii
Aboriginal title in New York
- ... that the first federally-filed and the first successful Native American land claim lawsuits arose from aboriginal title in New York?
- Reviewed: Robert L. Frye
Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 19:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Cairo Fire
- ... that the 1952 Cairo Fire (pictured) is the focus of numerous conspiracy theories because those responsible for it have never been identified?
Created by BomBom (talk). Self nom at 17:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- everything looks good and checks out. --Guerillero | My Talk 19:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Robert L. Frye
- ... that in 1972, the Republican Robert L. Frye outpolled his party's statewide membership ten-fold but still lost the race for Louisiana education superintendent?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT... that in 1972, Republican Robert L. Frye claimed that his Democratic opponent offered him a job to entice Frye to leave the race for Louisiana education superintendent?
- Reviewed John DeStefano.
- Could you please explain the nature of the source for the "ten-fold" claim. I am willing to AGF if "State of Louisiana, "Statement of Registered Voters as of January 1, 1972," (Baton Rouge: Secretary of State, 1972)" is just an off-line published source, but if it's something buried in the Secretary of State's office that is not published, that's problematic. Could you please explain how you found this? If you found it through a secondary or tertiary source, perhaps add that as well. Savidan 19:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- The information on January 1972 voter registration numbers and the February 1, 1972 general election returns were mailed to me in 1980 as part of a master's thesis that I did on the Republican Party in Louisiana. Mr. Frye got slighty more than ten times the votes of the number of registered Republicans in his state at that time. He lived to see his party hold six of the seven U.S. House seats from his state, quite a bit of realignment. Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Added the thesis as the secondary source Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- I am inclined to say that nearly all masters theses are not sufficiently published to be cited as a source, although I'd be open to your explaining why yours should qualify. However, the alternate hook does not appear to rely on either of these sources. Savidan 23:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Karkadann
... that the horn of the Karkadann was said to cure epilepsy and open the bowels?
5x expanded by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 03:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- It dosen't look like a five fold expansion from my prose counter. (619 B to 2310 B of readable prose) Also there are citation needed templates scattered throughout the article. (I am soure you are going to do this but there is no note of an article your reviewed.) cheers --Guerillero | My Talk 04:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm going to assume good faith on the sources as they aren't in English. The one problem is that I think you measured the article from the non-intro, but including the intro, this isn't a 5x expansion. This still needs another seven fifty hundred characters until it will meet that criteria. Keep up the good work though as it is looking good. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think I'm there now. And maybe you all can have a look at the last section, Karkadann#Notable_appearances_and_references: I wonder if the Iraqi prayer beads would make for a better hook (which I picked because of this image of a bowel suddenly opening--both my daughters have a stomach virus this weekend, so you can imagine). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- everything looks in order. It is a 8.8x expansion. The sourcing looks good. I honestly think either hook would work well. Both are interesting. It is your call. --Guerillero | My Talk 19:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks--but what about this one? You or someone else need to check off on it...the source is this article. I don't know if it's too long.
- ... that the single horn of the mythical rhinoceros-like Karkadann was said to cure epilepsy and open the bowels, while the beast's tears solidify into prayer beads still used in Iraq? Drmies (talk) 19:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Yes yes yes. Much better. --Guerillero | My Talk 20:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Ham Hill Hillfort
- ... that Ham Hill Hillfort (pictured) is one of the largest hillforts in Britain, and is the only one with a pub in its interior?
- Reviewed: Hellenic Nomarchy
Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Congress of Gela
- ... that result of the Congress of Gela, a peace conference in Sicily in 424 BC, has been compared to the Monroe Doctrine?
- Reviewed: LifeSpring Hospital
Created by Robth (talk). Self nom at 22:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Everything looks good Ryan shell (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 7
Gwladys ferch Dafydd Gam
- ... that Gwladys ferch Dafydd Gam, the "star of Abergavenny," was so beloved that, when she died in 1454, three thousand knights, nobles and weeping peasants followed her body to its burial place?
Created by CaroleHenson (talk). Nominated by Ghmyrtle (talk) at 12:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ardhanarishvara
- ... that the Hindu deity Ardhanarishvara (pictured) is depicted with the right half as male, sometimes with an erect penis and the left half as female with a well-developed breast?
5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Verified: Chesme Church. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Chesme Church
- ... that the coffin of Rasputin rested in Chesme Church (pictured) before his burial at Tsarskoye Selo in 1916?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 06:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Ellen Hayes
- Added an img. --Nvvchar. 10:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Img, 5X, online ref verified. well-referenced. Good to go. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Ogmore Castle
- ... that in the Welsh folk tale of Y Ladi Wen, the "white lady" ghost purportedly guarded the treasure of Ogmore Castle?
5x expanded by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: PAD emotional state model
Thomas William Hislop
- ... that Thomas Hislop (pictured) enjoyed being Minister of Education, as his father was the author the New Zealand Education Act?
- Reviewed: U Dhammaloka (on 28 Jan)
5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
State Library of New South Wales
- ... that in 1869, the State Library of New South Wales (pictured) was in serious debt and was bought by the Government of New South Wales for £5100 (£1500 for the books and £3600 for the building)?
5x expanded by Wm (talk). Nominated by Ancient Apparition (talk) at 00:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not 5x expansion. 1597B as of January 2 → 4640B as of currently. (5*1597=7985). Short on the order of ~3345 characters. Measured using prosesize.js script. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 05:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Evacuations of civilians in Japan during World War II
- ... that it has been estimated that 8.5 million Japanese civilians were displaced from their homes as a result of the air raids on Japan during World War II?
Created by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 10:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've reviewed Cleveland Point Light above Nick-D (talk) 10:53, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
The Martha Raye Show
- ... that just prior to the premiere of The Martha Raye Show in 1954, Variety dubbed Raye the "funniest femme in television"?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Alpha, Texas
- Length and dates are fine and I've done a bit to improve the sourcing for the article in general from contemporary sources but the hook fact is 1) sourced to the "Classic TV Info" website instead of Variety itself, 2) says the quotation is from "just prior to the premiere" but the cited sourced doesn't put a date to the Variety article is claims to quote, and 3) the hook fact sentence and the one immediately following are close paraphrases of the cited text.
- Article: "Variety called Raye "the funniest femme in television," at a time when her competitors included Lucille Ball, Eve Arden, Gracie Allen, and Joan Davis. Raye would be less remembered over the years than the other comediennes because their work was shown in repeated rebroadcasts through I Love Lucy, Our Miss Brooks, The Burns and Allen Show, and I Married Joan, respectively."
- Source: "Variety dubbed Raye "the funniest femme in television," which is saying something, considering that the competition consisted of such colorful comediennes as Lucille Ball, Eve Arden, Gracie Allen, and Joan Davis. If she's not as well remembered today as those other stars, it can be largely attributed to the fact that her shows aired live and were never seen again, whereas I Love Lucy, Our Miss Brooks, The Burns and Allen Show, and I Married Joan were rerun endlessly in the years following their network runs."
- ALT1: ... that The Martha Raye Show featured retired boxing great Rocky Graziano playing the boyfriend of the 1950s series' star, Martha Raye? (a partial solution, hook-ier in my opinion) - Dravecky (talk) 07:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Alpha, Texas
- ... that Alpha Road in Dallas is named for the former freedmen's town of Alpha, Texas?
- Reviewed: 2010–11 Xavier Musketeers men's basketball team ([19])
Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Fairly original; I edited this. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
PAD emotional state model
- ... that the PAD emotional state model uses three numerical dimensions to represent allemotions?
Created by History2007 (talk) 23:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 23:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Move Like This
St Michael's Church, Buslingthorpe
- ... that St Michael's Church, Buslingthorpe, (pictured) in Lincolnshire contains one of the earliest military brasses in England?
- Reviewed: Louis Leithold
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Holtsmark distribution
- ... that the Holtsmark distribution was proposed in 1919 as a model for the gravitational field of stars?
- ALT1:... that the Holtsmark distribution is one of two symmetric stable distributions that has a probability density function that can be expressed in terms of hypergeometric functions?
- Reviewed: Poulsard
Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- The original hook is in the article and supported by a source. The length and nomination time rules are satisfied. However, before approving the article I would like the see the references fixed. Reference 1 is a PhD thesis, which should be noted in the thesis. I have yet to verify ALT1 as when I loaded the thesis my acrobat reader went nuts. In any case, if the statement is referenced in the thesis and attributed to a reputable book source then that may be a better reference to use than the thesis in any event. IMO, theses are only used for statements that are not found in alternative published sources. Reference 2 (a book) should have publisher, location, and ISBN data. Not sure what ref 3 is. The journals (refs 5 and 6) should use full titles or abbreviated titles, but not one of each. Page numbers are needed for ref 6. EdChem 14:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- I updated the isbn and publisher for reference 2. Reference 3 is the first chapter of a book Nolan is writing that he has posted to the web. I removed the abbreviation from reference 5. I do not have page numbers for reference 6, the link is to a web page that does not have individual pages, it only notes that the document is 42 pages long. As for reference 1, I suspect that most of the items for which I used it as a source are also covered in Garoni and Frankel (2002) Lévy flights: Exact results and asymptotics beyond all orders, but I do not have access to the full document, only the abstract, so I cannot confirm. In any case, PhD theses are acceptable reliable sources per WP:RS, so that source should not be an issue. Rlendog (talk) 23:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- for ALT1 – the references are fixed now but I am not sure the thesis supports the statement. It does give two symmetric stable distributions that have a probability density function that can be expressed in terms of hypergeometric functions but I don't see where it states that there are no others.
- { for original hook – I am comfortable that this is reference-supported and the nomination is rule compliant. EdChem (talk) 10:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Louis Leithold
... that calculus professor Louis Leithold, an AP calculus legend, came out of retirement at age 72 to relentlessly drill high school students in calculus?
Created by Behtis (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 19:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Tourism in Abkhazia, Me and Juliet, Irk Bitig. Drmies (talk) 19:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- This is nearly OK. But I cannot find in any ref that he was a "professor". Also there are two peacock words which are there in the refs, but might be better treated as quotes. Would you settle for the tighter hook of:
- ALT 1 ... that Louis Leithold, an AP calculus "legend", came out of retirement at age 72 to "relentlessly" drill high school students in calculus? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- comment: he is so famous in calculus teaching and I think many engineers Indebted to his books. I hope we have suitable biography from him in en.wiki and would not forget him. I`m at your service if any help I could do for expanding. --Behtis (talk) 07:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- for ALT 1. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Poulsard
- ... that even though the Jura wine grape Poulsard is a dark-skinned grape, the amount of color pigments in its skin is so low that it can be used to make white wine?
- Reviewed: SS. Cyril, Methodius, and Raphael's Church (New York City)
- Comment: Primary ref is Robinson's grape guide (FN#1) but online Oxford Companion cite (FN#2) also makes mention of white wine production
5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 11:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- - Date, length, expansion all check. The fact checks with the alternate reference, or otherwise this could be an AGF approval. Rlendog (talk) 21:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Contention-- without even having read the article, the hook is misleading. Any red grape can be used to make white wine -- as long as the skins are removed before they tint the resultant liquid. See wine color article. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 05:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Actually that fact is really not that well known. Even a lot of wine drinkers just assume that "red grapes make red wine and white grapes make white wine" so it is a great opportunity to share a little insight on the main page. Not only does the article explain maceration (which I understand you haven't read yet) but the links to color pigments and white wine also go to the relevant articles that further educate the reader. There is nothing misleading. In fact, this is exactly what a Did you know... should do--highlight stuff that is not commonly known. AgneCheese/Wine 05:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Oh and BTW... It's incorrect to say that any red grape can be used to make white wine. Not only are there teinturiers but there are also red grapes like Cabernet Sauvignon and Syrah that have such a concentration of color pigments in their skin that even the briefest of skin contact through just crushing still leaves a tint of pink making them more a rosé rather than a white wine. It's also why White Zinfandel isn't really "white". :P AgneCheese/Wine 05:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- OK, "many." ;) It's just that the hook makes it sound like it's the only or one of very few red grapes that can be used to make red wine, whereas this is not the case. Maybe a better way would be to get a DYK on wine color and give that fact there instead. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 06:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think it is really misleading since it doesn't make any claim to exclusivity. But Poulsard is unique because of how low its pigment is for a noir grape. As referenced in the article, even after a week of skin contact it barely tinges the wine while most grapes, as noted, start dying the wine almost immediately upon crushing. Now we could put all that extra info about the week long maceration, etc but that would take the hook over the 200 byte mark. Though if you want to find a way to squeeze that extra stuff into an alt hook, feel free to recommend one. Oh and wine color is linked in the hook via the white wine redirect. AgneCheese/Wine 07:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that the dark skins of Poulsard wine grapes have so few color pigments they can be used to make white wine?
- Which at first glance seems like the exact same thing as above, just reworded, but the antecedent for the pronoun "they" is actually "skins." But then again, the original hook is also perfectly fine.
- Or: ALT2:... that the dark skins of Poulsard wine grapes have so few color pigments that they will not stain the resultant liquid, resulting in white wine?
- Which is more explicit. But like I said, the original is fine. :) --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 13:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ideally I'd like to get a link to include either Jura wine or French wine as a descriptor of the grape in there. (I see that you have Jura wine behind the wine redirect but I don't think the reader is going to expect that going there). However, if the promoting admin prefers either of these Alts, I have no problem with them. I appreciate you trying to find some Alts. AgneCheese/Wine 23:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think it is really misleading since it doesn't make any claim to exclusivity. But Poulsard is unique because of how low its pigment is for a noir grape. As referenced in the article, even after a week of skin contact it barely tinges the wine while most grapes, as noted, start dying the wine almost immediately upon crushing. Now we could put all that extra info about the week long maceration, etc but that would take the hook over the 200 byte mark. Though if you want to find a way to squeeze that extra stuff into an alt hook, feel free to recommend one. Oh and wine color is linked in the hook via the white wine redirect. AgneCheese/Wine 07:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- OK, "many." ;) It's just that the hook makes it sound like it's the only or one of very few red grapes that can be used to make red wine, whereas this is not the case. Maybe a better way would be to get a DYK on wine color and give that fact there instead. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 06:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Move Like This
- ... that despite telling a reporter in 1997 that he would "never" reunite with The Cars, singer Ric Ocasek relented in 2010 to record Move Like This, the band's first studio album in 23 years?
Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 06:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go. History2007 (talk) 00:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Patrick Horsbrugh
- ... that British-born architect Patrick Horsbrugh was active in the British Army, Royal Air Force, and the Royal Canadian Navy during World War II?
- Reviewed: Rimasuchus
Created by Canadian Paul (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- To make the reviewer's life easier, the hook is on Page 8 of the PDF reference. Canadian Paul 04:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- I checked it, verified on the page stated, looks good enough, the right length. Good to go now.RAIN*the*ONE BAM 16:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
'Asma' bint Marwan
- ... that the story of 'Asma' bint Marwan, who allegedly was condemned by Muhammad to die after she insulted him and his religion, has been rejected as a fabrication by many hadith scholars?
5x expanded by Al-Andalusi (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 14:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This is not a self-nom; the expansion of the article was the work of Al-Andalusi. Stonemason89 (talk) 14:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not even a 2x expand. 24 January with 3413B → current diff with 4702B. Measured with prosesize.js script. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 17:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Silas Blissett
- ... that British soap opera Hollyoaks introduced fictional killer Silas Blissett to raise awareness of Internet safety?
Created by AcidBrights (talk). Nominated by Raintheone (talk) at 16:10, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- - Date, length and hook check. (Article only existed as a redirect before, so should count as article creation.) --JN466 00:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Did you even look at the article? The inline hook isn't referenced.
I'm a little unsure about the article's sourcing, too. All 9 of the references are different links, but they're all the same author, on the same website, about the same thing. It kind of borders on WP:ONESOURCE.Jrcla2 (talk) 00:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Did you even look at the article? The inline hook isn't referenced.
- Perhaps we should call the character a "killer" rather than a "serial killer". According to the article, present storylines only have him complete one murder, although he attempts or contemplates two others which he then doesn't go through with. --JN466 00:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well the sources say serial killer, but that's fine. (He killed his wife but that's yet to be revealed nor has it gained any out world coverage as of yet.) Changed to killer.RAIN*the*ONE BAM 14:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Patrick Horsbrugh
- Entire section 'storylines' is still unreferenced. Otherwise the hook is appropriately cited. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 17:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Storylines are not required to be sourced per the MoS on writing about fictional characters.RAIN*the*ONE BAM 20:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- WP:TVPLOT specifically says it's for episode articles, but I'm going to assume you understand better than I do conventions for these sorts of things.--Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 8
Amanita australis, Amanita nothofagi, Entoloma haastii, Mycena cystidiosa, Mycena minirubra, Oudemansiella australis, Greta Stevenson
- … that the New Zealand mushrooms Amanita australis (pictured), A. nothofagi, Entoloma haastii, Mycena cystidiosa, M. minirubra, and Oudemansiella australis were all described as new to science by Greta Stevenson?
- Comment: Amanita australis, Amanita nothofagi, and Oudemansiella australis are 5x expansions, the rest are new creations.
- Reviewed: St Mary the Virgin's Church, Wiggenhall
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Salaulim Dam
- ... that the Salaulim Dam (pictured) in Goa, India has a unique Duckbill type of Spillway located in the gorge section?
Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 13:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Museo Miraflores.--Nvvchar. 13:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Don Charles
- ... that the UK singer Don Charles, who had one top forty hit, later bought a Maltese night club with Rolf Harris?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 20:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Museo Miraflores
- ... that the private Miraflores Museum in Guatemala City has three mounds from the ancient Maya city of Kaminaljuyu in its grounds?
Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 20:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Aboriginal title in California (Diff)
- Length, date and hook refrence all OK. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 13:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
There's More Than One of Everything
- ... that Leonard Nimoy's work on Fringe began with the episode "There's More Than One of Everything", and the show will be his last acting project?
Created by Ruby2010 talk 18:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Johanna Mestorf. Note: the article was expanded from a redirect (so this could either be considered a new article or expanded 5x). Not sure what the policy is on this. Ruby2010 talk 18:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Liar paradox in early Islamic tradition
- ... that Ṭūsī (pictured) was the first one to recognize that, if a declarative sentence that declares itself being false, is false, this does not necessitate it being true?
- Reviewed: Cognitive rehabilitation therapy
Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 04:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Marshall JTM 45
- ... that the Marshall JTM 45 was based on the Fender Bassman, but had different harmonic content because of increased feedback?
Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 02:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Marshall JTM 45, the British company's first amplifier, has more sag but less crunch than their later models? :) Drmies (talk) 02:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed William Wadé Harris. Drmies (talk) 03:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Dent Island Light
- ... that W. P. Clark, who previously constructed Bustard Head Light in 1868, had to abort the construction of Dent Island Light and Cape Cleveland Light in 1878 following personal difficulties?
- Comment: reviewed T. Arthur Cottam. Also, just noticed this is my 25th selfnom, yay for me.
Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length and date checked. Hook is a bit bland, an Alternate is proposed below. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Alt1: the original 1879 Dent Island Lighthouse in Queensland was so short, 20 feet (6.1 m), that its clockwork mechanism had to be wound every 75 minutes to keep it turning. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 1 is better. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- We already had ALT1 for Cape Cleveland Light. Maybe a hook on the two lighthouses being constructed together?
- ALT2: ... that Cape Cleveland Light and Dent Island Light were recommended for construction together, approved together, and constructed at the same time, in 1878–1879?
--Muhandes (talk) 06:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
T. Arthur Cottam
- ... that Pornographic Apathetic by film director T. Arthur Cottam was featured at film festivals in South Korea and France, and at an art exhibit in Vienna?
Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 15:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Note: I reviewed Wombat State Forest. -- Cirt (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
See No Evil (Homicide: Life on the Street)
- ... that the Homicide: Life on the Street episode "See No Evil" features a suspected police shooting, which was based on a real-life investigation from a book by David Simon?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 07:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Anwar Ferguson, Grady Livingston — Hunter Kahn 07:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article is overall lacking citations, while the sentence starting "Pembleton's investigation of fellow police officers..." is lacking the citation required for the hook. (The next sentence has a cite, but this sentence needs it too.) There are only two cited facts in the whole article. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 17:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- As per WP:TVPLOT, the plot summary does not need citations because "the television show itself is the source, as the accuracy of the plot description can be verified by watching the episode in question". Also, per WP:LEADCITE, citations are only required where information is likely to be challenged as long as it's properly cited in the body of the article. However, I've added citations to the lead anyway, and added the missing ref tag to the sentence for the hook. Also,
while it's only two cites at the moment,(additional sources have already been added and) I will be expanding the article so it will include as many citations as others I've worked on like "Night of the Dead Living", or at least "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" and "And the Rockets' Dead Glare". For now, though, I believe it's satisfactory for DYK. — Hunter Kahn 18:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)- for offline sources. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 06:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- As per WP:TVPLOT, the plot summary does not need citations because "the television show itself is the source, as the accuracy of the plot description can be verified by watching the episode in question". Also, per WP:LEADCITE, citations are only required where information is likely to be challenged as long as it's properly cited in the body of the article. However, I've added citations to the lead anyway, and added the missing ref tag to the sentence for the hook. Also,
Romy Rosemont
- ... that Romy Rosemont, known for her portrayal of Carole Hudson in Glee, was due to appear alongside her husband, Stephen Root, in Red State, but had to withdraw due to scheduling difficulties?
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by HJ Mitchell (talk). Self nom at 06:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment There was an EL to IMDb. If that counts as a "reference", then it's almost 5x expanded, so I'd appreciate being cut a little slack on the 34 character deficit. For the record I'm comparing this version with this one. Cheers, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed #York Lions women's ice hockey. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:29, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Anwar Ferguson, Grady Livingston
- ... that basketball players Grady Livingston of Howard and Anwar Ferguson of Houston were each NCAA Division I season blocks leaders during their careers?
- Reviewed: Silas Blissett
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The length and date checks out for both, and the ref for Anwar is fine. But unless I'm missing something, I don't see anything about Livingston being rebounding leader in the article about him?— Hunter Kahn 07:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Crap, I mis-wrote the hook. It originally said that they each led the NCAA in rebounding, when it was supposed to have said blocks. I've fixed the original hook now. Btw the Ferguson reference is in the very first sentence. Jrcla2 14:04, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Red Barked Tree
- ... that while it took Wire three months to come up with a title for their last album, Object 47, the band immediately agreed on naming their current record Red Barked Tree?
5x expanded by Jayen466 (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Silas Blissett
St. Patrick's Cathedral (New York)
- ... that the mortgage for the site of New York City's famous St. Patrick's Cathedral was foreclosed on and sold at auction in 1844 when it was still St. John the Evangelist's Church?
5x expanded by James Russiello (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998
- ... that under the Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998, an employee will be protected from dismissal if he engages in whistleblowing actions, but will not be protected from a libel lawsuit if the allegations turn out to be false? Ironholds 14:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length and history verified; offline ref accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 20:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Les Trois Grâces
- ... that The Three Graces dance in the streets of Washington, D.C.?
Created by Missvain (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- I see no mention of Les Trois Graces ever dancing on the streets of Washington, D.C. which should be wikilinked, also the suggested hook isn't very interesting. —Ancient Apparition • Champagne? • 12:08pm • 01:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article and its illustration explain the apparent anomaly, which is nicely suggestive ("hooking"): so! they're not the ancient Greek Graces themselves, as one might think at first.--Wetman (talk) 01:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think you're over-estimating the cultural know-how of the average reader. ;)
- That having been said, I can only find explicitly stated in the article that the artwork will be installed by 2015, not that it's there already. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 13:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think the nominator has any intention to supply a new hook. —Ancient Apparition • Champagne? • 10:06am • 23:06, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article and its illustration explain the apparent anomaly, which is nicely suggestive ("hooking"): so! they're not the ancient Greek Graces themselves, as one might think at first.--Wetman (talk) 01:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 9
Oregon Ducks track and field
- ... that Bill Bowerman, a coach for the Oregon Ducks track and field team created the first Nike prototype shoe by pouring rubber into his wife's waffle iron?
Created by Cluskillz (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Meare Lake Village -Cluskillz (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
St John the Baptist's Church, Stanton
- ... that St John the Baptist's Church, Stanton, Suffolk, (pictured) is built up to the boundary of the churchyard, so the lowest stage of its tower was left open to allow processions around the church?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length, and image check out. However, the hook is somewhat confusing: the article and reference source state only that the west wall is built up to the boundary of the church yard, and that the tower being open at its lowest stage for processionals appears to be independent of the aforementioned attribute. Perhaps the hook can be simplified and the detail about the churchyard boundary can be left out? KimChee (talk) 14:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I guess you're right. I wanted to include the west wall, and also explain that the processions were to go round the outside of the church, but this isn't possible within 200 characters, so unless anyone is clever enough to create a hook clear enough and short enough, I think this suggestion will have to be dropped. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the bottom of the tower of St John the Baptist's Church (pictured) in Stanton, Suffolk provides a path for processions through the wall surrounding the church? KimChee (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for trying, but that doesn't really say it. To be properly accurate would I fear take >200 characters, so I still think the suggestion should be dropped. But I really appreciate your time and effort.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Quicksilver GT500
- ... that the Quicksilver GT500 is the first aircraft certified under Part 21.24 of the Federal Aviation Regulations?
- Comment: Non-self-nom.
Created by Ahunt (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article doesn't establish any sort of notability. It doesn't say why the plane is important, and I'm a little worried that the manufacturer doesn't even have an article. More importantly, the hook does not appear in the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Quoting from WP:AIR/N, An aircraft is generally notable if it is verifiably — through reliable sources — a distinct "type" as demonstrated by any one or more of the following criteria: ... 2. The aircraft has received a type certificate from a national aviation authority. (eg: the Bellanca CH-300 was granted U.S. Approved Type Certificate 129.)". And the hook fact is, indeed, in the article: The GT500 was developed specifically for the FAR 21.24 Sportplane class of the primary aircraft category and on 26 July 1994 became the first aircraft certified in that category.. A stub for the manufacturer will be up shortly. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, I started this article, so I guess I can be the one to answer any questions on it. First as User:The Bushranger has noted it meets notability requirements for and WP:AIR/N. It also meets WP:GNG, too, as it has 13 references, of which 11 are third party independent refs, including one that is the FAA. Not sure why User:Hurricanehink would think that the proposed "hook" of that the Quicksilver GT500 is the first aircraft certified under Part 21.24 of the Federal Aviation Regulations? is not supported in the text as the text says "The GT500 was developed specifically for the FAR 21.24 Sportplane class of the primary aircraft category and on 26 July 1994 became the first aircraft certified in that category." Sounds like it is stated there to me. - Ahunt (talk) 21:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- My main problem was that I didn't see the words "Federal Aviation Regulation". You should rewrite the sentence in question so it's more clear. As for the notability, ehh, I find it borderline, but I don't think it's too problematic. If you could just clarify the FAR in the article, I'll be fine with it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Consider it done. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 23:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Harry Lonsdale
- ... that an aborted family picnic was a major contributing factor that drove Harry Lonsdale to found his company, Bend Research, in Oregon instead of California?
Created by Esprqii (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Sykes (dog)
Aslie Pitter
- ... that Aslie Pitter founded Stonewall F.C., Britain's first and most successful gay football club, and was appointed a Member of the Order of the British Empire for his work fighting homophobia in London?
- Reviewed A Teaspoon Every Four Hours
Created by Roscelese (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hook checks out to citations, length and dates OK. Good to go. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Aboriginal title in California
- ... that courts have held that a Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (treaty pictured) implementation statute extinguished all tribal aboriginal title in California?
- Reviewed: Article you reviewed
Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Size and date OK. Very nice looking article. The hook is cited, but I'm afraid I don't understand the reference format. Note 49 has "3 F.2d 90, 91". What does this mean? I think these references need to be clearer. Simon Burchell (talk) 20:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I would have hoped that it was at least obvious that the written opinions from these court cases are what is cited. These are case citations, formatted according to the Bluebook. Savidan 20:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not obvious to someone who knows nothing about law. You shouldn't assume that the general reader will know this. However, if this is standard referencing, I'll leave someone else to pass or fail this - nice article. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 20:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that no system of citation is completely obvious to those without prior knowledge of it. However, I still think the vast majority of lay readers understand, in general, that there are such things as courts and lawsuits, and that courts resolve lawsuits with written opinions. Savidan 21:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Octave Uzanne
- ... that the French writer and bibliophile Octave Uzanne (pictured) worked closely together with artists like Félicien Rops, Paul Avril and Félix Vallotton?
Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 11:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Ogmore Castle Fram (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- The length and age are good, but the hook isn't cited, except when it comes to Rops ("One of the main artists collaborating with Uzanne was the Belgian Félicien Rops"). The other two are merely stated as illustrators of Uzanne's work, without citations, and I see the portrait of Uzanne here is by Vallotton, but we need citations for "worked closely together with". I don't think we can run with "artists like" in the hook, but that is easily taken out. Moonraker2 (talk) 12:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, it was more implicit than explicit in the sources I included. Perhaps
ALT1: ... that Belgian Symbolist artist Félicien Rops called French writer Octave Uzanne (pictured) "the Bibliophile's dream"?
- All checks out for ALT1. Moonraker2 (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
All Saints Church, Little Wenham
- ... that in All Saints Church, Little Wenham, (pictured) is a brass that is said to be one of the best pre-Reformation brasses in Suffolk?
- Reviewed: AAM-A-1 Firebird
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Citation links function. Noted as Grade II* listed. Good to go.--Wetman (talk) 07:25, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- That's what I thought at first but it appears to have been changed. Message on your talk page.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
AAM-A-1 Firebird
- ... that the AAM-A-1 Firebird (pictured on DB-26) was the first air-to-air missile to be developed outside of Nazi Germany?
- Reviewed: Nevada State Route 230
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date OK. Offline ref AGF. But the article says "Germany" rather than "Nazi Germany". Suggest you alter one or the other for consistency. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I changed the article to "World War II Germany" with a wl to NG. Hopefully that works? - The Bushranger One ping only 18:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. Sorry to be pedantic, but of course I don't know what the source actually says, and that might be causing a difficulty. May I have a second opinion on this, please. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The direct quote from the source is "The first post-war AAM to reach the flight-test stage outside Germany,". Perhaps this might work better? - The Bushranger One ping only 18:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the AAM-A-1 Firebird (pictured on DB-26) was the first air-to-air missile to be developed following the end of World War II?
- or ALT2: ... that the AAM-A-1 Firebird (pictured on DB-26) was the first air-to-air missile to be developed outside Germany following the end of World War II? How about that? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Honestly, I don't like that one - it implies that air-to-air missiles had previously been developed inside Germany following the end of World War II, which was of course not the case. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- for ALT1. The problem is that I do not have the source available, and have to trust you that it actually says this (which I do). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ellen Hayes
- ... that Ellen Hayes was not only a rare 19th-century female mathematics professor but was also the first woman to run for statewide office in Massachusetts?
Created by Gamaliel (talk). Self nom at 05:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Nevada State Route 230
- ... that the east end of Nevada State Route 230 is known as the Welcome Interchange?
5x expanded by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Fact verified, expansion verified, looks good to go. As a note, this looks to be your fifth DYK; congrats! And remember that the next one will require you to QPQ review another hook under the current rules. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 05:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
A Teaspoon Every Four Hours
- ... that A Teaspoon Every Four Hours, a play co-written by Jackie Mason, set a Broadway theatre record which may be broken next month by Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark?
- Reviewed: Minuscule 71
Created by Metropolitan90 (talk). Self nom at 04:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Everything checks out, but I suggest you state in the hook what the record is for. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Jackie Mason's play A Teaspoon Every Four Hours held 97 previews before opening night, setting a Broadway record which may be broken next month by Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:47, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good! Mind reviewing my nom (Aslie Pitter)? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Justice (1954 TV series)
- ... that the 1954 NBC legal drama entitled simply Justice is based on cases of the Legal Aid Society of New York?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Edited hook to bold topic article. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 05:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Reviewed William Wade Harris
William Wadé Harris
... that William Wadé Harris (pictured) baptized 120,000 converts in an eighteen-month period?
- Reviewed: Utrecht Te Deum and Jubilate
Created by StAnselm (talk). Self nom at 02:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Anselm, you're being stingy here--a bit Calvinist actually, with only a few characters over 1,500. ;) Interesting article, well-written and well-sourced, with plenty of room for some expansion. A note: I added a reference which in my opinion is impeccable, whereas one of the other two was so-so. Two out of the now three references for the hook say over 100,000; only one of them says 120,000, and that reference is the more shaky one. Let's tweak the hook and you have a deal:
- ALT1: that William Wadé Harris (pictured) baptized over 100,000 converts in an eighteen-month period in West Africa? Drmies (talk) 03:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think the hook should add "in West Africa" to give a location. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 10
Schenecker double homicide
- ... that Florida woman Julie Powers Schenecker admitted to shooting her two children because they "talked back and were mouthy"?
--BabbaQ (talk) 14:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Can I suggest a slight tweak to:
- ... that Florida woman Julie Powers Schenecker allegedly confessed to shooting her two children because they "talked back and were mouthy"?
- Reason being BLP concerns, this is alleged. --Errant (chat!) 14:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Eskrima in popular culture
- ... that because of its emphasis on training with live weapons, Eskrima is used to train actors and stuntmen how to handle similar weapons for use in movies??
Created by Mike Searson (talk). Self nom at 02:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed other DYK here[20]--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 02:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Bakossi people, Mungo River
- ... that the Bakossi people of the Mungo River in Cameroon have a legend that their ancestor Ngoe built an ark to save his family and many animals from a great flood?
- Reviewed: Roberto González Goyri
Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
St Mary the Virgin's Church, Wiggenhall
- ... that St Mary the Virgin's Church, Wiggenhall, Norfolk, (pictured) is notable for the quality of carving of its wooden fittings?
- Reviewed: Typhoon Rananim
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Article length & date, hook length, and hook fact all check out. Image is CC-by-SA 3.0. Sasata (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that St Mary the Virgin's Church, Wiggenhall, Norfolk, (pictured) is notable for the quality of its carved wooden fittings?
- Does this sound better, or is the meaning distorted? Sasata (talk) 06:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- It sounds better, and I think it probably IS better. Will accept ALT1.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Does this sound better, or is the meaning distorted? Sasata (talk) 06:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that St Mary the Virgin's Church, Wiggenhall, Norfolk, (pictured) is notable for the quality of its carved wooden fittings?
Typhoon Rananim
- ... that Typhoon Rananim was the strongest typhoon to strike the Chinese province of Zhejiang since 1956?
Created by Hurricanehink (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed another DYK, per the rules. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- All DYK criteria met. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Krishan Kumar
- ... that the 2003 book The Making of English National Identity by Krishan Kumar was described by Bernard Crick as "the deepest and best reflection so far by a fine sociologist and an intellectual historian"?
- Reviewed: Sugar House Prison (Utah)
Created by Cordless Larry (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
- ... that the United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau resulted from the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 06:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed:TBD--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length OK; ref AGF. But the citation links to the preview to a page available by subscription only, and does not itself confirm the hook. Refs 2 and 3 do. How about adding one or both to the end of the relevant sentence? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Steven Matheson
- ... that that Adam Willits who played Home and Away character Steven Matheson had to film a one minute kiss scene for more than two hours because of nerves?
5x expanded by Raintheone (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: On the Floor (song)
- Astonishingly, I'm coming up with a count just 200 characters short of a 5x expansion. For the sticklers here, I would suggest that you make the modest addition to satisfy them that it qualifies for a 5x ... I expect that will be easy enough. The hook is short enough, but should be shorter (delete either the first or second "that"). I would hyphenate one-minute.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Salim Barakat
- ... that despite being of Kurdish origins, Syrian writer Salim Barakat is considered one of the most innovative poets and novelists writing in the Arabic language?
Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 10:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Algernon Sidney Badger, [21] Yazan (talk) 10:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- 1536 B (just above 1500 limit). 3 references in the article. Hook verified - offline ref (AGF). --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Flight Avia Flight 7100
- ... that a Manx2 flight from Belfast to Cork crashed on landing, killing 6 and injuring at least 6? - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 12:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article is a bit short of the required words at present & is still marked as a stub. It might be better to try for In The News, or wait for a bit more information to be published before nominating.— Rod talk 17:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Article now meets size criteria and checks out, but is still in a state of heavily being worked on. Suggest this wait a day or two before final approval. Also, suggesting alternative hook, since the original one was, honestly, rather bad. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland had planned to be aboard Flight Avia Flight 7100, which crashed on landing in February 2011?
Meare Lake Village
- ... that the Iron Age Meare Lake Village was built on a peat bog on the Somerset Levels?
- Reviewed: Flight Avia Flight 7100 ([diff])
Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 11
Stationary High Altitude Relay Platform
- ... that the SHARP aircraft was a sort of low-altitude communications satellite in the form of an electrically powered airplane?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length, and hook check out, but have you reviewed another DYK nom? Jujutacular talk 21:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Pinocchio paradox
- ... that Pinocchio paradox (pictured) makes Pinocchio's nose to grow if and only if... it does not grow?
- Reviewed: Gabe Carimi
Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Richard Smith (silent film director)
- ... that Richard Smith directed the Marx Brothers in their first film, Humor Risk?
Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Note: I reviewed the article Techno Viking. -- Cirt (talk) 16:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Balancing Rocks
- ... that popularity of Balancing Rocks formation grew when the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe featured it on certain issues of Zimbabwean banknotes (pictured), including the current series?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Gabe Carimi
- ... that Gabe Carimi, who is expected to be picked in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft, fasted for Yom Kippur until an hour before game-time his freshman year of college?
- Reviewed: Steven Matheson
- 5x expanded by Epeefleche (talk). Self nom at 14:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- 5X extension, the hook, references are verified. Good to go.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Barnesville Petroglyph
- ... that the Barnesville Petroglyph is unusual because its human faces have noses?
7x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 14:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Writing this article has taken almost all of my Wikipedia time today, so I'm not yet able to review another article; please don't reject this nomination unless you find other problems with the article. By my count, the article had 891 characters before I started versus 6951 now. I'm hoping to expand it more with some other sources before long. Nyttend (talk) 14:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Never mind, I have less to do than I thought. Reviewed Aboriginal title in California and Harry Lonsdale. Nyttend (talk) 14:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hermann Maaß
- ... that Hermann Maaß refused a teaching position at Harvard University to continue his fight against National Socialism from within Germany?
- Reviewed: Adalbert Schneider
Created by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Adalbert Schneider
- ... that Adalbert Schneider was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross for the sinking of HMS Hood on 24 May 1941 in the Battle of the Denmark Strait?
5x expanded by MisterBee1966 (talk). Self nom at 10:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- , Good to go, Offline sources accepted per WP:AGF. HerkusMonte (talk) 13:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Uranate
- ... that all uranium(VI) uranate structures are based on UOn polyhedra sharing oxygen atoms in an infinite lattice?
Created by Petergans (talk). Self nom at 09:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
ASM-N-5 Gorgon V
- ... that during the 1950s, the United States Navy intended to use Gorgons to deliver chemical weapons?
- Reviewed: St Albans by-election, 1904
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 03:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- You have sourced your hook to a personal website by Parsch, who is not an acknowledged expert in this area, and so is not acceptable as a reliable source. However, Parsch cites sources which may be acceptable. Can you source your hook with one of these? --Epipelagic (talk) 04:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- This has been queried twice before, and the consensus is that designation-systems.net is, indeed, a reliable source. Parsch is an acknowledged expert in the fields of designation systems and missiles, and has been published as such, including both by Jane's and the well-known Osprey books. See [22] and the discussion at Template talk:Did you know#JB-4. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Good. Okay to go! --Epipelagic (talk) 04:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ali Duba
- ... that the military intelligence under Ali Duba, which handled security within the army and the general safeguarding of the regime, was the single most important security agency in Syria?
Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Ardhanarishvara, [23] Yazan (talk) 13:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Cajetan J. B. Baumann
- ... that Brother Cajetan J. B. Baumann (1899-1969) was the first member of a religious order to ever be named to the American Institute of Architects?
Created by User:James Russiello (talk). Self nom at 04:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hikmat al-Shihabi
- ... that while Syrian President Hafez al-Assad was ill in December 1983, General Hikmat al-Shihabi, then chief of staff of the Syrian Army, was part of the committee in charge of running the country?
Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Ardhanarishvara, [24] Yazan (talk) 13:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
February 15
Cursinu
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- All Criteria for DYK met!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 02:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- This would work well with the February 15th hooks. Boldy moving it to the holding area. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'd forgotten to ask. I'd also forgotten to add the reviewed article which was Marionette (Fringe), now in the prep area. Miyagawa (talk) 13:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Sykes (dog)
- ... that the dog actor Sykes starred in the award winning television advertisement "Every Home Needs a Harvey", viewed over a million times on YouTube?
- Reviewed: Summer Sports: Paradise Island
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 23:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- Forgot to mention - another one for 15th February here. Miyagawa (talk) 12:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good. Refs, length, content, check out. May want to use "advertisement" instead of "advert" in the hook ("advert" is not a familiar term in U.S. English.). --Esprqii (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Saint Usuge Spaniel
... that the Saint Usuge Spaniel (pictured) was saved from extinction after World War II due to the work of a priest in the Bresse region of France?
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hook fact checks out and spot check of sources appears mostly ok - I am not certain ref 3 qualifies as a RS, but other sources support its claims. Image is fine, and I made a small change to the hook, noting that the breed was saved from extinction. Resolute 01:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks - removed ref 3 now, as thinking about it now, you're right. Miyagawa talk 10:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to keep this for February 15th, as it's the second day of the Westminster Kennel Club show. Miyagawa talk 23:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- So moved to this special occasion holding area. --PFHLai (talk) 00:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to keep this for February 15th, as it's the second day of the Westminster Kennel Club show. Miyagawa talk 23:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks - removed ref 3 now, as thinking about it now, you're right. Miyagawa talk 10:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Obo II
- ... that Ch. Obo II is considered to be the father of the modern American Cocker Spaniel?
- Reviewed: Hall XPTBH
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to keep this for February 15th, as it's the second day of the Westminster Kennel Club show. Miyagawa talk 23:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks okay for length, date, and hook, although I'm not crazy about the unfamiliar abbreviation "Ch." I've taken out the "in vitro" sentence since they weren't doing that sort of thing back in the 19th century AFAIK (I assume you mean that Chloe II was impregnated). "in transit" needs to be clarified; I'm guessing it means he was traveling across the Atlantic. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Moved to the special occasion holding area. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
20 February, Sexagesima
Nimm, was dein ist, und gehe hin, BWV 144
- ... that Bach's cantata for Septuagesimae 1724, Nimm, was dein ist, und gehe hin, BWV 144, is based on the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (pictured)?
Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- suggested for 6 February, date of the first performance. Reviewed: #Carex lutea --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- perhaps even better on 20 February, Septugesima of 2011, because Easter is so late. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- The Bach cantata for the Sunday is nominated above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
28 February
Northern Epirote Declaration of Independence
- ... that the Greeks living in southern Albania declared in 1914 the Independence (pictured) of Northern Epirus?
Created/expanded by CrazyMartini (talk), Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 13:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Lam Chiu Ying.Alexikoua (talk) 13:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Interesting and clear. Length and date verified. One source in German accepted in good faith. Good to go. Aridd (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please hold. This article seems to be a content fork of the existing Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus, and has POV problems. See talk page.--Brunswick Dude (talk) 23:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
March 1
Blue Ribbon Bacon Festival
- ... that in the 2010 Blue Ribbon Bacon Festival, the 600 guests ate approximately 30,000 strips of bacon?
Created by Worm That Turned (talk). Self nom at 15:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- reviewed Casper the Commuting Cat,Casper (cat) hereWorm 16:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'd suggest mentioning Iowa in the hook, and save it for National Pig Day on March 1st. --PFHLai (talk) 06:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- ALT... that during the 2010 Blue Ribbon Bacon Festival in Des Moines, Iowa, the 600 guests ate approximately 30,000 strips of bacon?
June 19
Rizal Day
- ... that Philippine town of Daet, Camarines Norte was the first place to celebrate Rizal Day with its construction of the first Rizal monument (pictured)?
Created/expanded by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 05:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Request: I suggest this appear either on June 19 (Rizal's birth), December 30 (Rizal's execution) or any date from June 15-24 (Daet's Pineapple Festival). –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Size and date are fine. However, the hook is unreferenced. There is a reference at the end of a paragraph containing the hook, several sentences in - this is unsatisfactory. Ideally, each sentence should be referenced; at the very least - the hook one should be. The problem is fixable, and once this is solved the article should be a "go" for DYKing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please see references nos. 1 and 2. All paragraphs are referenced. It'll be pretty hard to read that thing when every sentence, even the hook, has a citation. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see why. On the other hand, in the case only a para has a ref, it is impossible to trust anything but the last sentence. Consider what will happen when somebody adds more content to the middle, or moves the current one around. I don't think an article with any unreferenced sentence can become a FA, and GA and DYKs require them for most sentences those days, too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 07:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- You see, that only works if each sentence has a different reference than the previous one (such as FAs and some GAs). If I'd be reusing those two references on every sentence, it's repetitive and unsightly. Where's the DYK rule that every sentence has to be cited? The only relevant rule is rule D2 and it doesn't mention citing every sentence, especially if the entire paragraph is referenced on that/those reference/s.–HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 07:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Just for the heck of it, I did just that, citing every sentence in the first section, and it now looks unsightly with those repetitive [1][2] after every sentence. I know we should be citing and stuff, but this is not the way to do it if there are only a few references. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 07:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. One gets used to that after a while, it is a wiki-necessity. I also asked for clarification of inline citations and DYK rules here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 08:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Common Schools Act of 1871. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 06:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Halloween
Rhacophorus vampyrus
- ... that the tadpole of the Vampire flying frog Rhacophorus vampyrus has two fang-like hooks in its mouth?
Created by Newone (talk), Ka Faraq Gatri (talk). Nominated by Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) at 14:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment If the article meets DYK criteria, suggest moving it to Special Occasions section and keeping for Halloween. The authors of the paper on which this article is substantially based have stated that they intend to publish a separate paper on the tadpoles of this species so the move would also allow time for any material from this paper (assuming it is published in time) to be incorporated. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 16:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's confirmed. I agree that this should be kept for Halloween, especially as "A detailed description of the new tadpole will be published separately." which might be available by October. It's certainly an early start for the Halloween collection, does anyone think it is a problem to save it until then? SmartSE (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Comment Halloween is just under 10 months away. I can't help thinking that if every vaguely ghoulish or spooky article is saved up that long, it will create a massive backlog (and a precedent for other days). After all, there are only 3-4 sessions of 6 or 7 hooks available for any particular day. Bob talk 22:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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