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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on October 24
Osiris Rising
- ... that the author Ayi Kwei Armah use the Osiris myth as a metaphor to the persecution of a west African reformer in his novel Osiris Rising?
Created by SADADS (talk). Self nom at 18:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Joseph G. Aulisi
- ... that Joseph G. Aulisi was the costume designer for Die Hard with a Vengeance and Bicentennial Man?
Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The Invisible Hand (The Spectacular Spider-Man)
- ... that Clancy Brown (pictured) was cast to play the Rhino in the The Spectacular Spider-Man episode "The Invisible Hand" because he could "turn on a dime between dangerous and comedic characterizations"?
Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
IUP Crimson Hawks
- ... that the athletic teams of Indiana University of Pennsylvania were forced to adopt new nicknames following the movement to eliminate Native American-related mascots?
Created by Grsz11 (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Rho Ophiuchi cloud complex
- ... that the Rho Ophiuchi cloud complex is one of the nearest star-forming regions to the Earth?
Created by RJHall (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Thad Cockrell
- ... that American singer-songwriter Thad Cockrell's father is a Baptist pastor, and Cockrell is the only child amongst three sons not to also become a pastor?
Created by Omarcheeseboro (talk). Self nom at 15:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I spent a half hour trying to properly word this. I welcome tweaking. Thanks! --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
EastEnders: E20
- ... that a 13-part spin-off of EastEnders, entitled EastEnders: E20, will broadcast online starting in January 2010?
- ALT1:... that a team of 13 writers from London aged between 17 and 22 created and wrote the entire series of EastEnders: E20 at a summer school?
Created by AnemoneProjectors (talk). Self nom at 15:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Eric Fitch Daglish
- ... that Eric Fitch Daglish, who wood engraved books by authors such as Izaak Walton, Henry David Thoreau, Gilbert White and W. H. Hudson was also the author of a book entitled, The Dog Breeder's Manual?
Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Royal mutilation in Byzantine culture
- ... that noblemen were often mutilated in Byzantine culture to prevent them from becoming Emperor?
Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 08:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like a proper link to Emperor; i.e. to Byzantine Empire or something. Pmlineditor ∞ 11:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
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Good to go. Good work! Pmlineditor ∞ 16:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
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Charles Crombie
- ... that Flight Lieutenant Charles Crombie shot down two Japanese bombers and damaged a third in a single action in 1943 despite his aircraft being ablaze?
Created by Abraham, B.S. (talk). Self nom at 06:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Lad, A Dog
Albert Payson Terhune with four of the Sunnybank Collies. From left to right, Bruce, Wolf, Lass (Lady), and Lad
- ... that the 1919 novel Lad: A Dog is a fictionalized account of the life of author Albert Payson Terhune's real life collie Lad ? Created by Collectonian (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:.. that in real-life, Lad, the titular character of Albert Payson Terhune's 1919 novel Lad: A Dog, was not actually registered with the American Kennel Club and was only shown in a single dog show?
- ALT2:.. that clippings from the coat of the rough collie Sunnybank Lad, the titular character of Albert Payson Terhune's 1919 novel Lad: A Dog, are kept on file at the Library of Congress?
The lead and the plot section both need inline references. -- BigDom 12:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- No, neither leads (WP:CITELEAD) nor plots (see numerous film or fictional event FAs) need references. Mm40 (talk) 13:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Mm40 is correct. Plots do not require references. Length verified and offline hook reference accepted in good faith. Original hook OK for DYK. LargoLarry (talk) 14:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
James Mitchell (footballer)
- ... that after making his national team debut in 1924, footballer James Mitchell remains the only player to represent England while wearing spectacles?
- ALT1:... that despite making his national team debut in 1924, footballer James Mitchell remains the only player to represent England while wearing spectacles?
Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 04:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2... that after representing England in 1924, James Mitchell remains the only footballer to represent that nation at international level while wearing spectacles? GiantSnowman 04:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT3... that despite representing England in 1924, James Mitchell remains the only footballer to represent that nation at international level while wearing spectacles? GiantSnowman 04:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
United States Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs
- ... that the 1968–1977 United States Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs first focused on those who were not eating enough, but later focused on those who were eating too much?
Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Warner Lakes
- ... that the Warner Lakes and associated wetlands (pictured) in Lake County, Oregon cover over 90,000 acres, but have relatively few visitors because of their remote location?
- Comment: See ref #10 (bottom of p. 21) to verify 90K acres; see ref #21 (OPB video at 05:39-05:50 and 06:39-06:55) to verify few visitors.
Created/expanded by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Prevention of Crime Act 1953
- ... that although United Kingdom law has a principle of "innocent until proven guilty", under parts of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 the burden is on the defendant to prove his innocence?
Created/expanded by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 01:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
232-character hook (should be <200). Materialscientist (talk) 08:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 23
Zayta, Hebron
- ... that the sakia for the village of Zayta was built out of a Corinthian capital, marble pillars, a rough pulley, and 85 stone jars attached by grass ropes?
5x expanded by Tiamut (talk), Huldra (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Our Lady and the English Martyrs Church
- ... that Our Lady and the English Martyrs is one of the largest Catholic churches in Britain?
5x expanded by OrangeDog (talk). Self nom at 11:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Recommend adding "in Cambridge" to the hook for clarification. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Heulette Fontenot
- ... that former Louisiana State Senator Heulette Fontenot authored legislation to require that disaster preparedness officials also provide for the safety of household pets during evacuations?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
John Treloar (museum administrator)
- ... that the first director of the Australian War Memorial, John Treloar (pictured), lived in a 'cubby hole' next to his office at the Memorial?
Created by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
VIAFast
- ... that after many fruitless studies into high-speed train service in the Quebec City – Windsor Corridor, VIA Rail proposed a "higher speed" service called VIAFast that would cut Toronto-Montreal time by an hour?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Tollak B. Sirnes
- ... that being a student during World War II, later professor of pharmacology Tollak B. Sirnes spent time in Buchenwald and Neuengamme concentration camps following the 1943 University of Oslo fire?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Bankers' Toadies incident
- ... that 1937's Bankers' Toadies incident resulted in the imprisonment of Joseph Unwin, a member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta?
Created by Steve Smith (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Kalapuya Treaty
- ... that by the time their lands were ceded to the United States in the Kalapuya Treaty of 1855, only 400 Kalapuya Native Americans remained, the rest having died of disease or armed conflict?
5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 19:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Date, length, refs are fine, but having something like "400 out of xxxxx" would be great. Is it possible to get xxxxx ? Materialscientist (talk) 09:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, MS. I looked for it, but can't find an estimate in any sources. Any estimate would likely be fairly inaccurate anyway, as disease epidemics started hitting the west coast in the 1500s, long before any detailed written sources in the area. A couple alts:
- ALT1... that after the signing of the Kalapuya Treaty, the 400 remaining Kalapuya Native Americans were forcibly moved from the Willamette Valley to the Grande Ronde Reservation?
- ALT2... that the Confederated Tribes of the Grand Ronde Reservation used the Kalapuya Treaty to regain government support in 1983?
- Geraldk (talk) 13:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Portway, Bristol
- ... that every year the Portway is closed to traffic to allow inspection of the limestone cliffs of the Avon Gorge and to allow remedial work on loose rocks to be carried out?
- ALT1 ... that when the Portway was first opened in 1926, the electric lighting was kept switched off following objections from river pilots who argued that it would obscure ship's navigation lights?
5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- I piped, linked and bolded the article according to I4 and I5. Art LaPella (talk) 19:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I overlooked that. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Bernard Lens III
- ... that Bernard Lens III was the first English miniaturist to paint on ivory instead of vellum?
Created by Antique Antics (talk). Self nom at 17:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Length and reference for hook checked, ready for DYK. LargoLarry (talk) 14:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Party Processions Act
- ... that from 1850 until 1872, the Party Processions Act made it illegal to parade with music, flags or banners in Ireland?
Created by SGGH (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The article is rated as stub-class, please change this :) -- Casmith_789 (talk) 18:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Have done so. SGGH ping! 21:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, article looks good with plenty of refs, reads well, hook checks out (AGF from offline source). Well done! -- Casmith_789 (talk) 23:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Have done so. SGGH ping! 21:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Terrestrial Physics
- ... that Terrestrial Physics is a sculpture that is able to emit 1 million volts of electricity and functions as an actual particle accelerator?
Created by B.s.n.R.N. (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Assuming that the hook above uses volts instead of votts, will review now. -- Casmith_789 (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)Thanks for the fix :) -- Casmith_789 (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Hook checks out, well cited, long enough article, no glaring errors: well done :) -- Casmith_789 (talk) 18:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Anthony Amoroso
- ... that Anthony Amoroso, who defeated Masaharu Morimoto on Iron Chef America, is a graduate of Hudson County Community College?
Created by JimMillerJr (talk). Self nom at 13:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Is this unusual or eyecatching? Geschichte (talk) 11:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- No, and neither is the subject of the article. LargoLarry (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Angammedilla National Park
- ... that Angammedilla National Park is declared mainly to protect the drainage basin of Parakrama Samudra?
- Comment: I didn't plan to write a DYK length article for this park.
Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 12:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Length checked and offline hook reference accepted in good faith. LargoLarry (talk) 14:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Advertisements (Hire-Purchase) Act 1957
- ... that the United Kingdom's Advertisements (Hire-Purchase) Act 1957 covered newspapers, posters and cinema advertisements, but not radio broadcasts? Ironholds (talk) 07:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- What country? Where are the (hidden) credit templates? --74.14.16.86 (talk) 11:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Far Gate
- ... that sales of the videogame Far Gate were disrupted by its unfortunate release date of 11 September 2001?
- ALT1 ... that in 2000 the videogame Far Gate won the Independent Games Festival Audience Choice Award?
- ALT2 ... that the 2001 videogame Far Gate was originally known as The Rift?
5x expanded by DustFormsWords (talk). Nominated by DustForms Words (talk) at 06:56, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Far Gate needs to be closed. --74.14.16.86 (talk) 11:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Wanna link to September 11 attacks? --74.14.16.86 (talk) 11:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Sure...
- ALT3 ... that sales of the videogame Far Gate were disrupted because its release date coincided with the September 11 attacks?
List of Sri Lanka Twenty20 International cricketers
- ... that Sri Lankan cricketers hold the world record for the highest team total of 260 for 6 in Twenty20 Internationals?
- ALT1:... that the Sri Lanka Twenty20 team became runners up at the 2009 ICC World Twenty20 tournament?
5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Eufonius discography
- ... that Eufonius has continued to release independent albums and singles even after their major debut?
Created by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- What country? genre? era? --74.14.16.86 (talk) 11:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that progressive rock band Eufonius from Japan, that formed after meeting on the Internet, has continued to release independent albums and singles even after their major debut?
- How is this notable or interesting? Many artists continue to release independent albums and singles after their major debut. LargoLarry (talk) 14:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Les Cocker (footballer born 1924)
- ... that Les Cocker, a coach with the victorious England team at the 1966 World Cup, didn't receive a winner's medal until June 2009, nearly 30 years after his death?
- ALT1:... that Les Cocker, a coach with the victorious England team at the 1966 World Cup, didn't receive a winner's medal until June 2009, nearly 30 years after his death, following a campaign launched by his family?
- ALT2:... that Les Cocker, a coach with the victorious England team at the 1966 World Cup, received a winner's medal in June 2009, nearly 30 years after his death, following a campaign launched by his family?
Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 02:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
George P. Jenkins
- ... that George P. Jenkins of MetLife helped build Pan American World Airways into a gloabl airline and ABC into a major network through the firm's investments in the private placement market?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
John Atalarichos
- ... that John Atalarichos had his nose and hands cut off for taking part in a plot to overthrow his father, Emperor Heraclius?
Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Wanna mention "Byzantine"? -74.14.16.86 (talk) 11:23, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 22
Japanese settlement in Kiribati
- ... that the first Japanese in Kiribati consisted of labourers who worked in the islands' phosphate mines/
Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Daliyat al-Rawha'
- ... that the Arab tenant farmers at Daliyat al-Rawha' were evicted by Yosef Weitz and Jewish settlers from kibbutz Kfar Masaryk in March 1948?
5x expanded by Tiamut (talk) and Huldra (talk). Nom by Tiamut at 12:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Saltine cracker challenge
- ... that unlike yourself, Peyton Manning can eat six saltines in one minute?
- Comment: Due to an inauspicious beginning, this article is on AfD, and the early discussion has been skeptical of the article's potential. Given recent and ongoing improvements, I'm reasonably confident that it will survive the process. However, the AfD isn't scheduled to close until October 29, and I assume that's a problem for DYK. Suggestions on how best to resolve the situation are welcome! Melchoir (talk) 09:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Created by Alexuda (talk), Melchoir (talk). Self nom at 09:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
We can hope that the AfD result will be "keep", without second round, and simply keep the nomination. However, please avoid "unlike yourself" in the hook per WP:YOU. Why mentioning Peyton Manning when the record is 14.45 seconds? Materialscientist (talk) 11:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Great, as long as the nom doesn't fall off the bottom of the list, I'm happy with that plan!
- Re WP:YOU: Yes, the article itself maintains an encyclopedic voice, saying "the saliva in one's mouth" and so on. But the DYK hook is "hookier" this way; it is punchy and is likely to draw in readers. It is also representative of the topic: the point of a challenge is to assert that you yes you can't do something, even though you think you can.
- 14.45 seconds is for three crackers (and of a different variety), not six, so it doesn't allow direct comparisons with the rest of the article. Also, I think Peyton Manning will draw more readers than Ambrose Mendy, whatever the time zone. :-) Melchoir (talk) 11:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Since it's conceivable thousands of Wikipedia readers can eat six crackers in one minute, this hook makes no sense to me. LargoLarry (talk) 14:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
John Kelly (catcher)
- ... that John Kelly played in three different Major League Baseball leagues in his four year career?
- ALT1:... that John Kelly was both a Major League Baseball player and umpire in 1884?
Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 02:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality
- ... that the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco houses one of the world's most comprehensive libraries of academic sexological and erotological resources?
Created by 2over0 (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Date, length, fact verified (in ref. 8, ref. 6 doesn't seem to contain it, and 7 is too old), but the hook is 228 characters (should be <200). There are several ways to shorten the second part. Materialscientist (talk) 09:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed. Full permission to tweak wording if it can be punchier. - 2/0 (cont.) 13:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Kahikolu Church
- ... that a missionary to Kealakekua Church brought the first trees of Kona coffee in 1828?
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Carraway Methodist Medical Center
- ... that Birmingham, Alabama, hospital Carraway Methodist Medical Center in 1961 turned away James Peck, a wounded Freedom rider, but in 1968 treated Robert Edward Chambliss, later convicted of the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing?
Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
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- I didn't count. Clunky, yes--can you make it more elegant? I had to find a way to get the point across: civil rights activist, no, racist bomber, yes. Just the names won't mean enough to enough people, I think. I will gladly take any suggestions you might have. Drmies (talk) 23:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Post-presidency of Bill Clinton
- ... that in the time since leaving office on 2001, former President Bill Clinton has earned as much as $300,000 per speaking engagement, earning an estimated $40 million in 2007?
Created by Purplebackpack89 (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 02:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Consulate General of the United States in Hamburg
- ... that in 1903 Hugh Pitcairn was appointed as the first Consul General to the Consulate General of the United States in Hamburg by President Theodore Roosevelt?
- ALT1:... that the buildings now serving as Consulate General of the United States (pictured) were used as headquarters for the Nazi party in Hamburg?
Created by Sebastian scha. (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The first hook would include a pic of a building that was not U.S.-associated until 1950, in juxtaposition with 1903 date, so I don't like that. The second hook is supported in the reference at the end of its paragraph in the article, but the DYK requirement (I think) is for the sentence supporting a hook to be supported by reference at the end of the sentence. doncram (talk) 04:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Copied ref to hook sentence. Deleted 'pictured' in first hook. Hope that help. Cheers. Sebastian scha. (talk) 12:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Steven van Herwijck
- ... that Steven van Herwijck (pictured) created portrait medals of both Sigismund II Augustus of Poland and Elizabeth I of England?
Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Sheldon Segal
- ... that contraception expert Dr. Sheldon Segal led the team that developed the implantable device Norplant, described as "the first significant advance in birth control since the pill"?
Created by Bongomatic (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
British Summary Court
- ... that the proceedings of the British Summary Court were in both English and German? Ironholds (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Confederate Civil Service
- ... that the civil service of the Confederate States of America only managed to cope with war work because of its employment of African-Americans? Ironholds (talk) 19:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Maurice Amos
- ... that Sir Maurice Amos was the third member of his family to become a legal professor at University College London, after his father and grandfather? Ironholds (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Kwame Nkrumah-Acheampong
- ... that Kwame "The Snow Leopard" Nkrumah-Acheampong will be the first Ghanaian to take part in the Winter Olympics?
Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 14:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
per WP:CRYSTAL. How can we say he "will" be the first? 192.65.41.20 (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is not an instance of WP:CRYSTAL, but a wrong wording. The source says he's the first professional skiier to qualify for the games. Please clarify this in both the article and the hook. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- What if the hook read, "... that Kwame "The Snow Leopard" Nkrumah-Acheampong will be the first Ghanaian skiier to take part in the Winter Olympics?" ISD (talk) 07:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- That's still trying to predict the future. At best, say "...to have qualified for the Winter Olympics". 192.65.41.20 (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK then, "... that Kwame "The Snow Leopard" Nkrumah-Acheampong is the first Ghanaian to have qualified for the Winter Olympics?" ISD (talk) 16:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- What if the hook read, "... that Kwame "The Snow Leopard" Nkrumah-Acheampong will be the first Ghanaian skiier to take part in the Winter Olympics?" ISD (talk) 07:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
List of giant monster films
- ... that in 1950s film lore, atomic energy awoke a dinosaur from 20,000 fathoms in the Arctic, created giant mutant ants in New Mexico, ... and brought us Godzilla?
- Comment: good for halloween?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Surely there needs to be a link to the List of giant monster films in the hook?! Smartse (talk) 14:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that in 1950s giant monster films, atomic energy woke a dinosaur from 20,000 fathoms, created giant mutant ants and brought us Godzilla? Geraldk (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- D'oh! (smacks hand on forehead)...above hook is better then :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Quick question..."brought us" is a very informal construction. I don't have strong feelings either way but is the informal tone a concern for front page material? Eddie's Teddy (talk) 01:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't like the "brought us" phrase in the hook either, and I think it should be changed. Also, the film titles in the list itself should be italicized per MOS. Gatoclass (talk) 06:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Stephen Barnett
- ... that Stephen Barnett was a leading critic of the Newspaper Preservation Act of 1970, arguing that it led to newspaper monopolies and the demise of smaller papers in cities?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
List of Twin Spica episodes
- ... that the 2009 science fiction television series Twin Spica was produced in cooperation with the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency?
Created by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
39 Conduit Road
- ... that the most expensive apartment in the world is situated at 39 Conduit Road?
- ... that Hong Kong property developer Henderson Land Development claims to have sold the most expensive apartment in the world at 39 Conduit Road?
Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self nom at 07:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Question Time BNP controversy
- ... that far right British National Party leader Nick Griffin (pictured) fears for his safety over his first ever appearance on the BBC's Question Time panel?
- Comment: Also at ITN
Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Sani Monastery
- ... that Sani Monastery in Zanskar contains a chorten thought to date to the Kushan emperor Kanishka’s reign in the 2nd century CE?
Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 2.10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
2004 Russia–Belarus gas dispute
- ... that before the 2004 Russia–Belarus gas dispute, Gazprom sold natural gas to Belarus at Russian domestic prices?
Created by Offliner (talk). Self nom at 01:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook ref verified. Thank you. Sebastian scha. (talk) 16:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 21
Nephila komaci
- ... that Nephila komaci is the largest web-spinning spider known to date?
- (alt.hook1)... that after mating, female Nephila komaci, the largest known web-spinning spiders, retain in their body the genitalia of their mates, which then spend the rest of their life chasing away other males?
Created by Bender235 (talk), Sarefo (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 15:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Sima Nan
- ... that Chinese 'cultbuster' Sima Nan is a Qigong master who exposed trickery used by other masters during the heyday of Chinese qigong movement in the 1990s?
- ... that Sima Nan, known for his opposition to the Falun Gong spiritual movement, is himself a believer of Qigong?
Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Beauty Pageant
- ... that the Parks and Recreation episode "Beauty Pageant" was directed by Jason Woliner, who directed Parks star Aziz Ansari in the MTV sketch comedy show, Human Giant?
5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Made in Oregon sign
- ... that the Portland, Oregon, landmark Made in Oregon sign originally advertised a brand of sugar?
Created by Esprqii (talk), Katr67 (talk). Self nom at 17:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Jahula
- ... that part of the land where the depopulated Palestinian village territory of Jahula lay is used to cultivate cotton and watermelons today?
5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk) and Huldra (talk). Self nom at 09:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Constitutional references to God
- ... that the constitutions of Greece, Ireland, Switzerland and several U.S. states are enacted in the name of God?
Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 07:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Julie Quinn
- ... that her own troubled divorce prompted Louisiana State Senator Julie Quinn to work for the law that requires the violator of a protective order to serve at least a 90-day sentence?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The Olympic Runners
- ... that the Olympic Runners were widely assumed to be an American funk band until their identities were revealed to be British session musicians including Mike Vernon and Pete Wingfield?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Nominated by Ghmyrtle (talk) at 22:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Overlook Hospital
- ... that a doctor at Overlook Hospital in Summit, New Jersey, recommended the consumption of alcoholic beverages to delay the onset of contractions of a pregnant woman?
Created by Tomwsulcer (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 03:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a medical advice. Are you sure we may ever put such things on the main page? Materialscientist (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- I thought of this as a wacky trial therapy, rather than advice, but how about ALT1 - "... that in a 1960s experiment, a doctor at Overlook Hospital in Summit, New Jersey, had a pregnant woman drink alcoholic beverages to delay premature contractions?" Alansohn (talk) 11:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... in the 1960's, a physician at Overlook Hospital in Summit, New Jersey, advised a pregnant woman to try drinking alcohol to stop her preterm contractions?
- This is the best I can manage. I would not use such a hook myself. --Una Smith (talk) 14:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- To the nominator: when we fix the phrasing it may sound like publicly disgracing a hospital because of one act in the 1960s - either way is not fun. Doesn't this hospital have anything less spectacular, but also less controversial? Materialscientist (talk) 23:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is the best I can manage. I would not use such a hook myself. --Una Smith (talk) 14:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that Overlook Hospital, founded in 1906 by a 26-year-old entrepreneur, established the first hematology oncology children's clinic in New Jersey, in 1977?
- Una, thanks. I would certainly favor ALT3 to anything above, but a comment from the nominator is required before any approval. Materialscientist (talk) 04:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Much better, but please note that it's "26-year-old entrepeneur" (hyphens). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Una, thanks. I would certainly favor ALT3 to anything above, but a comment from the nominator is required before any approval. Materialscientist (talk) 04:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Valentino Mazzia
- ... that former New York City Medical Examiner Michael Baden credited Dr. Valentino Mazzia with creating the field of forensic anesthesiology?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Hoosick_Falls%2C_NY%2C_post_office.jpg/100px-Hoosick_Falls%2C_NY%2C_post_office.jpg)
U.S. Post Office (Hoosick Falls, New York)
- ... that it took the U.S. government nine years to build the Hoosick Falls, New York, post office (pictured) after it bought the land?
- Comment: This is unusual because in most of these other articles about small-town post offices in upstate New York, it took just a year or two from the purchase of the land, even during the Depression
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 22:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Wynne Evans
- ... that the tenor in the British TV advert 'Go Compare' is played by Welsh opera singer Wynne Evans?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 21:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Source for hook is Evans' own website, secondary source is required. Where is the evidence that the advert is popular? RMHED 23:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Arthur Schütz
- ... that Arthur Schütz managed to get the Neue Freie Presse to print a letter in which he complained about the use of fireproof coal and oval wheels by the Federal Railway of Austria?
Created by SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Arthur Schütz managed to get the Neue Freie Presse to print a letter in which he claimed that a mining cart was uneasy in the moments before an earthquake? Geraldk (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Torpedo scad
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Torpedo_scad2.png/100px-Torpedo_scad2.png)
- ... that although the torpedo scad (pictured) is of major importance to Indian fisheries and most studied in that country, worldwide catch statistics for the species do not include India?
Created by Kare Kare (talk). Nominated by Circeus (talk) at 17:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Sybil Moses
- ... that in 2003, Judge Sybil Moses ordered the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to release transcripts of employee radio transmissions in the World Trade Center (pictured) during the September 11 attacks?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Mary Bell (aviator)
- ... that Mary Bell (pictured) resigned from the Women's Auxiliary Australian Air Force in 1941 after being passed over as its director in favour of Clare Stevenson, only to rejoin the following year?
Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
St. Paul’s Church, Diu
- ... that the St. Paul’s Church, Diu is a renowned functioning church, out of the three churches built by the Portuguese in Diu, and is among the best in baroque architecture in India?
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that St. Paul's Church, one of three churches built by the Portuguese in Diu, is among the best examples of baroque architecture in India? Geraldk (talk) 22:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Diu Fort
- ... that in an opinion poll in Portugal the Diu Fort was one of the two wonders from India, of the seven wonders chosen out of 27 from across the world, built during Portuguese rule?
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 03:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
226 BC Rhodes earthquake
- ... that the earthquake of 226 BC in Rhodes destroyed the Colossus of Rhodes (pictured), one of the seven wonders of the ancient world?
Created by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 13:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- That's because the event is most historically notable for the collapse of the Colossus. But it's independently notable, and there are at least two source cited which describe the event's historical significance apart from the Colossus (the effects on the rest of the city and the support offered by other parts of the Hellenistic world). Therefore, I think it meets the notability criteria. Geraldk (talk) 17:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Infobox and section on likely cause of earthquake added. Mikenorton (talk) 17:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Pornography in Hungary
- ... that actress Michelle Wild (pictured), whose real name is Katalin Vad, changed her name to accommodate to the international distribution of Hungarian pornography?
Created/expanded by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 13:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Source does not explicitly state this. RMHED 00:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the act of anal sex has become closely associated with pornography produced in Hungary, to the point where it is now considered a "signature" of movies from this country? RMHED 02:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Jee, I imagine a potential dispute on sex techniques, with parties fighting over whose signature it is :-) Associated by whom? Signature of what movies? (potential assault on Hungarian movie industry). Statement too strong needing proper references, which I do not observe yet. Materialscientist (talk) 04:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's all well referenced to a reliable academic source, so that's not the problem. I think there's a tradition though to avoid too obscene hooks on the main page. This is why I deliberately chose a hook that would be palatable to most. Lampman (talk) 08:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I've looked up Sizel's book (that's the source I guess) but didn't find a reliable proof, and wouldn't really call it academic regarding ALT1. Anyway, with the main hook, length, date, refs are fine. I appreciate your discretion. It is up to you to check the ALT1 (it is still in the article). Materialscientist (talk) 09:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's all well referenced to a reliable academic source, so that's not the problem. I think there's a tradition though to avoid too obscene hooks on the main page. This is why I deliberately chose a hook that would be palatable to most. Lampman (talk) 08:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Murder of Shane Geoghegan
- ... that a minute's silence was held in memory of murdered rugby player Shane Geoghegan (pictured) at Ireland's international match against New Zealand in Croke Park in 2008?
- ALT1... that some of the suspects for the murder of Shane Geoghegan (pictured) were tracked via their Bebo pages?
Created by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Both hooks confirmed. Sad. Geraldk (talk) 22:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- (copyedited) ALT2 - ... that a minute of silence was held in memory of murdered rugby player Shane Geoghegan (pictured) at Ireland's 2008 international match against New Zealand? —Ed (talk • contribs) 00:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Tsvi Misinai
- ... that according to Israeli researcher Tsvi Misinai (pictured), nearly 90% of the Palestinians living within Israel and the occupied territories are of Hebrew descent, with the percentage among the population of the Gaza Strip itself being higher than 90%?
5x expanded by SantiagoMatamoros (talk). Self nom at 06:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would greatly appreciate it, if i could hear from some one soon, notifying me as to whether my hook is accepted or not. I have been waiting for two days now. SantiagoMatamoros (talk) 01:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Please see A2. I personally always leave approvals to others. Art LaPella (talk) 02:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Only about a x3 expansion, sorry. Gatoclass (talk) 07:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- and the hook contains 242 characters (should be <200). Materialscientist (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
MusicOMH
- ... that in an interview with English website MusicOMH, rapper Jay-Z announced that he would like to work with Bono and Jack White?
Created by Kiac (talk). Self nom at 10:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Field Ornithology Group of Sri Lanka
- ... that from 2008, Field Ornithology Group of Sri Lanka is conducting a bird count in December similar to Christmas Bird Count?
Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 09:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Source does not explicitly state that the two counts are similar. RMHED 00:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Field Ornithology Group of Sri Lanka, the Sri Lankan affiliate of BirdLife International, has identified 70 Important Bird Areas in the island? Regards--Chanaka L (talk) 02:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Fez – Being Born
- ... that the U2 song "Fez – Being Born", created when the songs "Fez" and "Being Born" were joined together, was originally called "Chromium Chords"?
Created by MelicansMatkin (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt: ... that the U2 song "Fez – Being Born" was originally called "Chromium Chords"? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 20
Lookingglass, Oregon
- ... that Lookingglass, Oregon, became nationally famous in the 1970s when a parking meter for horses was installed in front of the general store?
Created by Katr67 (talk). Self nom at 16:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
History of Ku Klux Klan in New Jersey
- ... that the Ku Klux Klan in New Jersey had its start in the early 1920s, with attorney Arthur H. Bell as its first and longest-serving Grand Dragon?
Created by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Parnall Pixie
- ... that the Parnall Pixie won both the fuel consumption test and the speed prize at the 1924 Lympne Light Aircraft Trials, with the aid of interchangeable wings?
Created by TSRL (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 16:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Date and length confirmed, offline source verified in good faith. Good work, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 13:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Charomskiy M-40
- ... that in 1944 the Soviet Factory No. 500 began to disassemble the stored Charomskiy M-40 engines to use their components in the closely related Charomskiy ACh-30B engine?
Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 21:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Little Sammy Davis
- ... that 1950s blues musician Little Sammy Davis left the music scene for decades before being rediscovered in 1990?
Created by Kafziel (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Hubbard_Hall%2C_Cambridge%2C_NY.jpg/100px-Hubbard_Hall%2C_Cambridge%2C_NY.jpg)
Cambridge Historic District
- ... that streets in the Cambridge, New York, historic district (Hubbard Hall, pictured) intersect at odd angles because the village was created from the combination of three crossroads hamlets?
- ALT1:... that the Cambridge, New York, historic district (Hubbard Hall, pictured) was shaped by the construction of the headquarters of the Rice Seed Company, then the world's largest, within it?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 15:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Sara Szweber
- ... that Sara Szweber, one of a few women that held leadership positions in the Jewish socialist movement, after the invasion of Poland was threatened with arrest by the NKVD and escaped to the United States?
Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 08:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Glob (visual system)
- ... that globs are millimeter sized modules in the V4 complex part of the brain where humans and other primates first perceive color hue?
Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 00:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- The nomination should pass by all formal rules, but. The article is somewhat too technical. May I ask you to clarify some terms (TEO, chromotopic map, etc.), add picture, if possible, and just explain things a bit, so that the general readers coming to the article from the main page could understand a bit more about human vision - just my personal wish. Materialscientist (talk) 10:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Also, the use of the first-person "we" should be avoided. Lampman (talk) 12:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Also, the article "the" isn't used with the verb "extend". Perhaps you meant "extended" instead of "extend". Art LaPella (talk) 02:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Changed wording both in the hock and article. I have added primates since much of the research has been done on Macaques (the visual system of different mammalian orders differs somewhat particularly in regard to color processing so that of cats might be quite different from that of primates). TEO like many neurological names is obtuse -- the TE come from TEmporal and the O from occipital--LittleHow (talk) 12:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Riverdell Hospital
- ... that after being reported as the site of the alleged murders by "Dr. X" Mario Jascalevich, Riverdell Hospital closed in 1981 due to declining numbers of patients?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Allan H. Stevenson
- ... that Allan H. Stevenson used watermarks in the Missale Speciale, a book believed to pre-date the Gutenberg Bible (c. 1455), to prove it was in fact printed nearly 20 years later?
Created by Ecphora (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that by identifying watermarks in the paper of the incunabulum Missale Speciale, a book alleged to pre-date the Gutenberg Bible (c. 1455), Allan H. Stevenson proved it was printed nearly 20 years later?
- I prefer the alt. Geschichte (talk) 12:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Minor sabotage
- ... that one of the most notable actions of minor sabotage in occupied Poland during World War II involved stealing a propaganda plaque from the monument of Mikołaj Kopernik?
5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 19:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Kaudulla National Park
- ... that Kaudulla National Park could probably be the only national park in Sri Lanka to have albino Axis Deers?
Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 16:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Please try providing more solid DYK facts. "Could probably be" is a red flag to many reviewers. Materialscientist (talk) 08:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- That incident involves Department of Wildlife Conservation (Sri Lanka), contains a statement of a researcher and reported by one of the reputed newspapers. Nevertheless I'm nominating an alternate, Best--Chanaka L (talk) 09:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that despite the escalating human-elephant conflict number of elephants increased in the dry zone of Sri Lanka and 211 individuals were counted in Kaudulla National Park?
Cycles (Cartel album)
- ... that Cycles was recorded by American band Cartel in around a year, after having only spent less than a month in the studio for each of their previous two albums?
Created by Kiac (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Pilot (Modern Family)
- ... that reviews for the pilot episode of Modern Family compared it to Arrested Development and Married...With Children?
Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 15:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Charomskiy ACh-30
- ... that the Charomskiy ACh-30B aircraft diesel engine was tested as a motorjet where the jet engine's compressor was driven by the piston engine's turbochargers?
Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 12:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Transmission Electron Aberration-corrected Microscope
TEAM image of single sheet of graphite
- ... that with a TEAM one can see not only atoms, but also chemical bonds between them (see picture)?
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
SS Empire Beatrice
- ... that although SS Empire Beatrice was scrapped in 1966, a 50-foot (15 m) long section of her can still be found off Dungeness, Kent?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 07:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Conidiosporomyces
- ... that the fruiting structures of Conidiosporomyces fungi grow in the ovaries of various grass species?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Nathan Eckstein
- ... that as a Seattle School Board member during World War I, German-born Nathan Eckstein (pictured) bowed to pressure to drop German language classes in Seattle Public Schools?
Created/expanded by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 06:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Child labour in India
- ... that in spite of the fact that child labour in India is illegal, children as young as five years are employed in India?
Created by Trakesht (talk). Self nom at 05:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Air Madagascar, Albert Sylla
- ... that in an Air Madagascar DC-4 (example pictured) crash in 1967 at Antananarivo Airport, among those killed was the Malagasy foreign minister Albert Sylla?
- Comment: The Air Madagascar is a 5x expansion; Albert Sylla is a new article
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Marie Foster
- ... that U.S. Civil Rights Movement leader Marie Foster walked fifty miles in a march, despite receiving injuries two weeks earlier on Bloody Sunday?
Created by Jujutacular (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
-
- That paragraph (where the hook comes from) was written from the offline ref, but the hook can actually be verified from the online source if anyone has an issue. Jujutacular T · C 03:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 19
Leo Goldberg
- ...that the U.S. State Department tried to pressure International Astronomical Union delegate Leo Goldberg into demanding membership for the Republic of China—despite the country having no professional astronomers?
Created by Olaf Davis (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Suggestions for a more snappy hook welcome - I couldn't think of one that doesn't cut out some vital element. Olaf Davis (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Mary E. Surratt Boarding House
- ... that the Mary E. Surratt Boarding House (pictured) often hosted John Wilkes Booth and his co-conspirators in the Lincoln assassination, for which Surratt became the first woman hanged by the federal government?
Created by Doncram (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Or how about alternative hook: "... that Washingtonians eat Chinese food where Abraham Lincoln assassins conspired, at the Mary E. Surratt Boarding House (pictured)?" doncram (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Stewart Nozette
- ... that Stewart Nozette (pictured), a scientist for NASA and the Departments of Energy and Defense, was arrested in an October 2009 sting in which he believed he was passing classified documents to the Mossad?
Created by Scapler (talk), 67.232.134.174 (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 13:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Siege of Tripoli (1551)
- ... that in the Siege of Tripoli (1551) the Ottoman Empire captured the city of Tripoli (modern Libya, (pictured) from the Knights of Malta?
Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's a map of Tripoli, not Libya that is pictured. How about ALT2: ...that the Knights of Malta who surrendered Tripoli in 1551 went free while their supporting merceneries were enslaved? doncram (talk) 07:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Fugglestone St Peter
- ... that Saint Giles's leper hospital at Fugglestone was founded by Queen Adelicia?
- Comment: expansion from redirect begun on 19 October
5x expanded by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Chiefess Kapiolani
- ... that Hawaiian Chiefess Kapiʻolani's walk into an active volcano in 1824 was the subject of a poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson?
- ALT1:... that Chiefess Kapiʻolani, the first Hawaiian noble to sponsor a Christian church, was also subject of a poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson?
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Morris Pashman
- ... that Judge Morris Pashman upheld a ban on the sale of the John Cleland book Fanny Hill (illustration pictured) in New Jersey, calling it "sufficiently obscene to forfeit the protection of the First Amendment"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Nereus (Martian crater)
- ... that Nereus is the second-smallest Martian crater with a Wikipedia article?
Created by Arb (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
This article currently isn't long enough for Did You Know. Please see C1 for details. Art LaPella (talk) 00:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Seizō Watase
- ... that Japanese manga artist Seizō Watase received the 1974 Shogakukan Big Comic Award as well as the 1986 Bungeishunjū Manga Award?
Created by Nihonjoe (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Stand Up Comedy (song)
- ... that the U2 song "Stand Up Comedy" was recreated so many times during the No Line on the Horizon sessions that six different songs were written as a result?
Created by MelicansMatkin (talk), Suede67 (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt: ... that the lyrics on the U2 song "Stand Up Comedy" were inspired by the 2008 Stand Up and Take Action campaign? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
1896 Meiji-Sanriku earthquake
- ... that the 1896 Meiji-Sanriku earthquake caused the most devastating tsunami in Japanese history, destroying about 9,000 homes and killing more than 22,000 people?
Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
M. A. Farber, Mario Jascalevich
- ... that reporter M. A. Farber was jailed for 40 days and The New York Times fined $285,000, for Farber's refusal to turn over notes in the Mario Jascalevich "Dr. X" curare murder trial in 1978?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Blackwell Island Light
- ... that James Renwick, Jr., designer of St. Patrick’s Cathedral, was the supervising architect for the Blackwell Island Light (pictured) on Roosevelt Island in New York?
- ALT1:... that legends say that Blackwell Island Light (pictured) on Roosevelt Island in New York was built by an inmate from an insane asylum?
- Comment: I gave an ALT but although it is true that it is a legend about Blackwell Island Light, I don't believe the legend!
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Sumapaz Paramo
- ... that the national park Sumapaz Paramo (pictured) in Colombia, is the largest Paramo ecosystem in the world?
Created by Koven.rm (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, and image check out; non-English sources for hook verified in good faith. Good work, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Schluchsee
- ... that the Schluchsee (pictured), at 930 metres above sea level, is the highest reservoir in Germany and also the largest lake in the Black Forest?
5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Expansion, date, refs, fact checked. Materialscientist (talk) 09:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Térez Montcalm
- ... that Canadian singer Térez Montcalm's debut album, Risque, saw her nominated for five Félix Awards in 1995?
Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Guy W. Calissi
- ... that as Bergen County, New Jersey prosecutor, Guy W. Calissi obtained murder convictions and death sentences for Edgar Smith and Thomas Trantino, though neither would ever go to the electric chair?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
James Matayoshi
- ... that the mayor of Rongelap, James Matayoshi, led the Marshallese who suffered from radiation sickness in seeking monetary compensation between 2005 and 2007?
Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 12:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Kobaïan
- ... that Kobaïan is a lyrical language created by French drummer and composer Christian Vander for his progressive rock band Magma?
5x expanded from a redirect by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 10:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Narcyz Wiatr
- ... that Narcyz Wiatr, a Polish activist in the agrarian movement and member of the anti-Nazi resistance group Peasant Battalions, was murdered by the communist secret police in Kraków’s Planty Park?
Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 07:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Nooitgedacht, Veenoord
- ... that the windmill Nooitgedacht (pictured) in Veenoord, Drenthe, has been moved three times since it was built in 1732?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 05:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Fort Anjediva, Church of Our Lady of Springs
- ... that Fort Anjediva (pictured) built on Anjadip Island, under the jurisdiction of Goa, India, formerly under Portuguese rule, has in its precincts the Church of Our Lady of Springs built in 1505 AD?
- Comment: Hook is for two artciles, Fort Anjediva, a stub article expanded by more 5x and Church of Our Lady of Springs and hence number charachters in the hook is little more than 200
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 18
Lewis Doxat
- ... that despite serving as the editor of The Observer for fifty years, Lewis Doxat prided himself on never having written a single article for the paper?
Created by User:Mklobas (talk). Self nom at 14:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
9 part William Blake nomination
- ... that in William Blake's poems, Imagination fights Reason in his version of Genesis, Eden, and Exodus while his son later starts revolutions in America, Europe, Africa and Asia?
- Comment: All expanded 5x, contact if there are any problems. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
5x expanded by Ottava Rima (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Should poem titles be italicized? --74.14.16.86 (talk) 03:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- What titles? There are none in the above hook. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant book titles, like Genesis, etc. --74.14.16.86 (talk) 11:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- No. I didn't find anyone in this Google search who recommended italicizing books of the Bible. Art LaPella (talk) 19:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Werner Maihofer
- ... that Germany's Federal Minister of the Interior Werner Maihofer resigned after Der Spiegel uncovered an illegal wiretapping of physicist Klaus Traube?
Created by Bender235 (talk). Self nom at 09:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Only 1075 characters of prose, needs to be at least 1500 (see Wikipedia:DYK#Selection criteria). Please expand if possible, else it will have to be rejected. Regards SoWhy 11:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Revolutionary War Cemetery
- ... that the Revolutionary War Cemetery (pictured) in Salem, New York, may hold as many as 200 veterans of that war, more than any other in Washington County and possibly even the state?
- ALT1:... that local lore in Salem, New York, has it that one of the first people buried in the Revolutionary War Cemetery (pictured) was an unknown local Indian who wandered into town and died?
- ALT2:... that the sod-covered burial vaults at the Revolutionary War Cemetery (pictured) in Salem, New York, are an unusual tradition for that time and place possibly brought by the town's Irish refugee population?
Created/expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 03:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
burial vault is a disambiguation page. Art LaPella (talk) 05:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed. Daniel Case (talk) 15:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Emsley Carr Mile
- ... that the annual Emsley Carr Mile was created to encourage athletes to break the four-minute mile, but by the second time that the race had taken place in 1954, Roger Bannister had already broke the world record?
Created by Seth Whales (talk). Self nom at 19:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Lulworthiaceae
- ... that the Lulworthiaceae are a family of marine fungi that typically grow on submerged wood or seaweed?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 08:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
David I. Shapiro
- ... that after defending American Nazi Party leader George Lincoln Rockwell, attorney David I. Shapiro was told by Rockwell to "listen up, Jewboy... I'll watch as you and all the other Jews go to the gas chamber"?
Created by Wikilost (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 02:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Ready to go.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 21:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
G. McMurtrie Godley
- ... that former U.S. Ambassador to Laos G. McMurtrie Godley testified in 1992 to the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs that no POWs remained behind after the end of the Vietnam War?
Created by Adam sk (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 02:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Joseph T. Buckingham
- ... that Joseph T. Buckingham, a leading Boston journalist of the 1830s, was an indentured farm laborer as a boy?
Created by Jnestorius (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Air Malawi
- ... that in 2008, a 49% stake in Air Malawi (aircraft pictured) was offered to Comair for only US$3,500?
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Just a note: Expansion =6904/1507=4.6, date, ref, fact seem Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 11:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Only non-lead counting prose, not including text in tables/lists I get 6714/1223 = 5.4x expansion. --Russavia Dialogue 11:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Please note: Permission for the photo which I have uploaded has been forwarded to Commons for OTRS action and confirmation. --Russavia Dialogue 13:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Here's how we define prose at Did You Know. Note that it doesn't exclude the lede paragraph, and it prescribes specific software to arbitrate the counting. So I get the identical figures, 6904/1507=4.6x. Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is totally weird, because this is what the article looked like before I expanded it, and by using this tool, I get 1223 characters of non-lead, non-list, non-ref prose. It may be that this edit which I did incorrectly (meant to put in my userspace) has thrown the count out or something, as there definitely isn't 1507 characters of prose in the pre-expansion version. Could someone check that. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue 00:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- I just checked, in the main part, I get 1223 characters. Added into "Air Malawi Limited is an airline based in Blantyre, Malawi. It is the national airline of Malawi, wholly owned by the Malawi government and operates regional passenger services. Its main base is Chileka International Airport, Blantyre, with a hub at Lilongwe International Airport." which 281 characters which gives 1504. The DYKcheck tool is including the lead paragraph, and it probably should not be doing that. --Russavia Dialogue 00:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- I have now expanded the lead of the article, and is now at 7718 characters. Hope this is all ok now? --Russavia Dialogue 01:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it's long enough according to DYKcheck. (Once again, here's how we define prose, therefore the lead paragraph always counts unless it's a list etc., and I always leave approvals to others.) Art LaPella (talk) 05:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ahh, I was always of the understanding that article leads weren't counted. I guess I was thrown off a bit more from above where you said it doesn't exclude - I read it as "doesn't include" -- doh! Oh well, thanks for clarifying all of that for me, I will now know for future. Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue 05:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it's long enough according to DYKcheck. (Once again, here's how we define prose, therefore the lead paragraph always counts unless it's a list etc., and I always leave approvals to others.) Art LaPella (talk) 05:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Here's how we define prose at Did You Know. Note that it doesn't exclude the lede paragraph, and it prescribes specific software to arbitrate the counting. So I get the identical figures, 6904/1507=4.6x. Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Diane Winston
- ... that Diane Winston won her seat in the Louisiana House of Representatives in 1995 by defeating a male opponent who the following year was elected to the Public Service Commission?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Diane Winston, having lost a special election for the Louisiana State Senate in 2005, was then term-limited in 2007 as a state representative?
A Rugrats Passover
- ... that the Rugrats episode "A Rugrats Passover" fell under controversy from the Anti-Defamation League over the designs of two characters featured in it?
Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Ahklun Mountains
- ... that Ahklun Mountains (pictured), located in the Togiak National Wildlife Refuge, supports the only existing glaciers in western Alaska?
Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- ::* alt hook ... that Alaska's Ahklun Mountains contains networks of glacial lakes, some lakes over 400 meters deep? —mattisse (Talk) 21:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Togiak_Wilderness.jpg/100px-Togiak_Wilderness.jpg)
Canadian Council on Animal Care
- ... that all research in which vertebrates or cephalopods are used in Canada must meet the ethical standards set by the Canadian Council on Animal Care?
Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Kelly (musical)
- ... that when the musical Kelly closed after one night on Broadway, a reviewer noted "Ella Logan was written out of Kelly before it reached the Broadhurst Theater Saturday night. Congratulations, Miss Logan"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Clara Dow
- ... that Clara Dow (pictured) was one of the last principal sopranos personally trained by W. S. Gilbert at the Savoy Theatre?
Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 18:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Celle
- ... that Celle was the official residence of the Lüneburg branch of the Dukes of Welf who had been banished from their original ducal seat by their own townsfolk?
5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The prose expansion is almost 1.0 within the last several days. I would usually give a chance, but a 5x expansion is hardly realistic for this 30k article. Materialscientist (talk) 10:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Richard Bergh
- ... that Swedish painter Richard Bergh (pictured) was established as a portrait painter, although his landscape paintings played an important role in the development of Swedish romantic nationalism?
Created by Theleftorium (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Quincy Mine No. 2 Shaft Hoist House
- ... that the 1918 Quincy Mine No. 2 Shaft Hoist House contains the largest steam hoisting engine in the world, which sits atop the largest reinforced concrete engine foundation ever poured?
Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Terence Weil
- ... that William Waterhouse considered the rapport between violist Cecil Aronowitz and cellist Terence Weil the special distinction of the Melos Ensemble?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Hubert Whittell
- ... that Hubert Whittell, a career soldier in the Indian Army, studied Urdu, Pushtu and Persian, before moving to Western Australia to become a farmer and ornithologist?
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
SS Hispania (1912)
- ... that during the Second World War, SS Hispania was detained by the French, seized by the Vichy French, declared a war prize, passed to the Kriegsmarine and eventually sold back to her original owners?
5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 11:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Prose expansion 3019/730=4.1. Can you expand more? Another issue, ref. 3 is apparently a self-published site which doesn't cite references used. Materialscientist (talk) 10:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Rosie Swale-Pope
- ... that in 2008 61 year old Rosie Swale-Pope completed a five year 20,000 mile around the world run to highlight the importance of early diagnosis of prostate cancer?
5x expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 10:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Prose expansion 11827/2927=4. Can you expand more? Materialscientist (talk) 10:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 17
Rodger Doxsey
- ... that astronomer Rodger Doxsey was awarded the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal for "exceptional accomplishments and contributions to the Hubble Space Telescope" (pictured)?
Created by Wwheaton (talk), Canley (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 18:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Buildings_on_Main_Street%2C_Salem%2C_NY.jpg/100px-Buildings_on_Main_Street%2C_Salem%2C_NY.jpg)
Salem Historic District (New York)
- ... that the Salem, New York, historic district (pictured) was the site of one of the earliest churches built in New York north of Albany?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Link to source 1 isn't working right, or is it just my computer? Geraldk (talk) 22:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have JavaScript enabled? Daniel Case (talk) 23:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
New Jersey Route 324
- ... that New Jersey Route 324 is the only state highway in New Jersey where neither of its termini is another roadway?
- ALT1:... that New Jersey Route 324 currently ends at the wreck of former car ferry docks that were abandoned in 1974?
5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The Sniffing Accountant
- ... that the main plotline of the Seinfeld episode "The Sniffing Accountant" was based on an actual instance where Jerry Seinfeld's accountant stole about 50,000 dollars from him to buy illegal narcotics?
- Comment: I've been expanding this article since October 15, and it’s most likely expanded fivefold by now.
5x expanded by Artichoke-Boy (talk). Nominated by Artichoke-Boy (talk) at 19:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
aricle at 4.26x prose expansion (7777/1825). would need at least 9125 or 1328+ prose. Would more expansion be possible? Thanks ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 09:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I’m going to work on expanding the plot of the episode, but I’m also going to try not to make it too long. I’m not sure what else I can expand, but I’ll think of something. Expect an update today or tomorrow. ---Artichoke-Boy (talk)(sign) 20:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Okay. I’ve just worked on the article some more, and I think that I’ve reached the end of the rope as to how much more I can possibly expand this. Does it suffice now? ---Artichoke-Boy (talk)(sign) 20:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Gibe III dam
- ... that the electricity generating capacity of Ethiopia is projected to double when the Gibe III dam and the associated hydropower plant, currently under construction on the Omo River, are completed?
Created by Mschiffler (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 04:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Tupolev Tu-8
- ... that the copilot of the Tupolev Tu-8 could turn his seat 180° and man a 20 mm (0.79 in) Berezin B-20 cannon in the rear of the pilot's compartment?
Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Pls either mention in the hook that this is a military aircraft or show a (free) picture of this military aircraft. --74.14.16.86 (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Dry River (Jamaica)
- ... that the Dry River (Jamaica), isn't?
5x expanded by Arb (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Jamaica's Dry River isn't dry? (See H9.) Art LaPella (talk) 04:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Garey Foster
- ... that Louisiana in 2008 became the fiftieth state to ban cockfighting, nearly two decades after former State Representative Garey Forster led the initial effort to halt the practice?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Eight Second Ride
- ... that Jake Owen's 2009 single "Eight Second Ride" is a re-recording of a song from his 2006 debut album Startin' with Me?
- Comment: This page was created by someone else as a redirect, and was made into an article just today.
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
DYKCheck says that it's not quite long enough (1456 characters). Also don't really know what's unusual about the hook, I think a lot of artists re-record songs from previous albums. -- BigDom 19:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's not terribly common for the re-recording to become a single, though; a nearly-identical hook was passed for Waitin' on a Woman last year. Also, I think it's all the more unusual for someone like Owen, who's only two albums into his career, to be re-recording something from his debut. I addded a few more words to the article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Article is now long enough, and on consideration I suppose that whilst it isn't unusual for a song to be re-recorded it's less common for it to be a single, although the fact that there has been an almost identical DYK before kind of shows that it's not that rare. Sources check out OK. -- BigDom 21:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
National City acquisition by PNC
- ... that the National City acquisition by PNC made PNC Financial Services the largest bank in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Kentucky, as well as the second largest bank in Maryland and Indiana?
Created by Jgera5 (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC).
- Need to link to National City Corp. and bank for those who may think that "National City" is a city named "National".
- ALT:... that the acquisition of NatCity made PNC Financial Services the largest bank in three U.S. states, as well as the second largest bank in two others? --74.14.16.86 (talk) 03:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Biermösl Blosn
- ... that the Bavarian ministry of education once ordered 75,000 copies of a song book for school children to be destroyed because it contained a song by Biermösl Blosn?
Created by SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 22:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I suggest as less ambiguous:
- "---because of a song by Biermösl Blosn it contained?"
- It was the particular song they objected to; they do not have a blanket policy of banning all Biermösl Blosn songs. jnestorius(talk) 15:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Never implied that they do nor does the article. I have no objection to changing it but your proposal is equal to mine, it just re-arranges the sentence. Personally, I prefer the original suggestion since DYK is all about writing interesting yet truthful hooks but I can of course offer this
- ALT1: ... that the Bavarian ministry of education once ordered 75,000 copies of a song book for school children to be destroyed because it contained Biermösl Blosn's Gott mit dir, du Land der BayWa?
- Regards SoWhy 06:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Never implied that they do nor does the article. I have no objection to changing it but your proposal is equal to mine, it just re-arranges the sentence. Personally, I prefer the original suggestion since DYK is all about writing interesting yet truthful hooks but I can of course offer this
- I know that it not what you intended to imply, but it can be misinterpreted that way. I for one was unsure which meaning was intended till I read the article. jnestorius(talk) 09:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Galidiinae
- ... that although the Galidiinae (pictured) resemble mongooses, they are more closely related to other Malagasy carnivorans such as the fossa?
- Comment: Original text size (using prosesize.js) 516 B, current text size 4551 B => expanded 8.8 times.
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- A better picture might be this one, which shows the animal more clearly. Ucucha 11:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
List of unreleased Michael Jackson material
- ... that the officially unreleased material of Michael Jackson includes the song "A Place With No Name", which was leaked by website TMZ.com following the singer's death?
Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Tanco Mine
- ... that Tanco Mine in Manitoba, Canada, holds the global reserves on caesium for 2,000 to 3,000 years?
- ALT1:... that Tanco Mine in Manitoba, Canada, is the largest producer of caesium?
Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length fine... my reading (or the source attached to the key fact) is that the known reserves will last for 2,000 to 3,000 years. Obviously Tanco mine will contribute, but you are assuming it is all in this mine (in my reading of the hook)... which I see no evidence for. Good to have a short hook by make sure its reliable 15:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. I agree that the hook is not clearly stated and verified in the article. —mattisse (Talk) 16:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, you are right, it might not that clear, but with some help it might be possible to make it clear enough. The ref states Given current global reserves of cesium and current estimated global use of 30,000 kg/yr, cesium reserves are more than adequate to satisfy demand during the next 2,000 to 3,000 years while the list on the next page gives the reserves of Canada with 70,000,000 kg and the reserve base world wide with 110,000,000 kg. The statment: more than two-thirds of the world’s reserve base is at Bernic Lake, Canada makes it clear that all the reserves of Canada are located at Bernic Lake, which is the Tanco Mine. By the simpe calculation of 70000000/30000 = 2333 it is clear that at our present consumption it will last for 2333 years. The second hook might be cleared by the sentence: In the past few decades, nearly all of the world’s supply of cesium has come from zoned pegmatites at Bernic Lake (McCutcheon, 1995). All the facts are from the USGS article by Butterman. Thanks for the help.--Stone (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Draper point
- ... that the Draper point is the temperature at which almost all solids begin to glow?
Created by SteveBaker (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Dante Troisi
- ... that Italian writer Dante Troisi chronicled the difficulties of his job as a judge in post-WWII Italy in the novel Diario di un giudice (Diary of a Judge)?
Created by Jujutacular (talk). Self nom at 10:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
The hook is cited, but nothing else is. Could you please add inline citations to the article so that there is at least one per paragraph? I'm also a tad concerned that the article relies on only one reference. Are there no more references available to you? –Katerenka (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Added the additional inline citations, and found a reference to an award he won in 2005, perhaps it would even make a better DYK:
- ALT1: ... that Italian writer Dante Troisi was posthumously awarded the Feronia Literary Prize in 2005?
- Jujutacular T · C 07:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 16
Hands of Perón
- ... that on June 23, 1987, the dismembered hands of former Argentinian President Juan Perón were stolen from his tomb and held for ransom?
5x expanded by NellieBly (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
American food policy in occupied Germany
- ... that General Lucius D. Clay (pictured) justified U.S. food policy in occupied Germany, as "Germans should suffer from hunger and from cold ... to make them realize the consequences of a war which they caused"?
Created by Stor stark7 (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 03:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Photo checks out. Source accepted in good faith. Good hook. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 15:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
List of awards and nominations received by Nightwish
- ... that Finland band Nightwish (pictured) was nominated for 27 awards including 2 Echo Awards and 13 Emma-gaala Awards?
Created by DreamNight (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Stephen J. Windhorst
- ... that Louisiana District Judge Stephen J. Windhorst is a former reserve police officer who also served eight years in the Louisiana House of Representatives as an anti-crime advocate?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Granville, New York)
- ... that the asymmetrical facade of the Granville, New York, post office (pictured) is unusual for a five-bay Depression-era post office in the state?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Greater Poland Uprising (1794)
- ... that Tadeusz Kościuszko initially did not want to support the Greater Poland Uprising (1794) in order to avoid a two front war against both Russia and Prussia?
- Comment: hook is sourced to an offline source, I've provided the relevant text from it in the cite
5x expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Bill Taylor (baseball)
- ... that outfielder Bill Taylor never made an error in his five year Major League Baseball career?
- ALT1:... that outfielder Bill Taylor played in the field in just 18 of his 149 career Major League Baseball games?
Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- We could combine these, in a slightly glib fashion:
- ... that outfielder Bill Taylor never made an error in his five-year, 149-game Major League Baseball career, but then again he
onlyplayed in the field in only 18 of those games? Daniel Case (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ... that outfielder Bill Taylor never made an error in his five-year, 149-game Major League Baseball career, but then again he
Joshua Green (seaman and banker)
- ... that Mississippi-born Joshua Green had successive careers as a major figure in the Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet and as a Seattle banker?
Created by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Mississippi-born Joshua Green was one of Seattle's last fluent speakers of the pidgin trade language known as Chinook Jargon? - Jmabel | Talk 20:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 15
Bottisham Village College
- ... that Bottisham Village College was the second of the Village Colleges established by Henry Morris in his vision for a better education for country people in Cambridgeshire?
Created by BurtonH0123 (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Parliament of Norway Building
- ... that the first winner of the contest to design the Parliament of Norway Building was rejected because it looked too much like a church (design pictured)?
- ALT1:... prior to the opening of the Parliament of Norway Building (pictured) in 1866, the Parliament of Norway met at a secondary school and later at a university?
Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
If the first-proposed hook is used, should it include the image of the church-like one instead of the final design? I am not sure. The church-like one indeed looks too church-like to me. Also the museum of Viking ships in Oslo looks rather church-like, frankly. What is it with the architects there? doncram (talk) 22:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- I like the first hook too. And it does look church-y, should use church-like parlament image. 88.90.88.107 (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with the above. Personally I liked the initial design better, but I guess the chosen one is more unique. The image is File:Schirmer and von Hanno parliament.jpg Arsenikk (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Love? (album)
- ... that Jennifer Lopez's upcoming album Love? is planning to feature Danja, Jim Jonsin, Darkchild, Chris n Teeb, The Neptunes, Jim Jonsin and D'Mile among others?
Created by Lil-unique1 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
-
- It was an eclusive interview where she told the reporters about who will be in the album. Secret Saturdays (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's a blog/fan site, and there is no indication that we can treat it as a reliable source. In fact, they say that they are "only a fansite". Also, some of the artists aren't even mentioned in that interview. You need another source, or another hook. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 11:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Wi-Fi Direct
- ... that the Wi-Fi Alliance plans to ease the task of setting up small Wi-Fi networks with their new Wi-Fi Direct standard?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
More than half of the paragraphs in the article have no in-line citations. Geraldk (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is not a requirement for DYK. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Maury, have you missed the countless discussions about this at WT:DYK? If the lack of citations is a serious problem, this is still a valid reason to delay the nom (there may not be an explicit rule, but there is a general rule that articles with major problems can be rejected). Plus, many of your nominations over the past year or so (at least) have been rejected for this, so by now you of all people should know better. Geraldk's concern stands. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I have somewhere between 25 and 50 successful DYK noms in the last year, and I believe 2 fails, neither of which have anything to do with refs. Can you be more specific? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- I took your advice and read over the thread in question, it appears that the claim you make above was roundly rejected and that no such rule exists in writing or spirit. Is this not the discussion you are referring to? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Tim Greve
- ... that secretary for the Norwegian Nobel Committee Tim Greve was editor-in-chief of the newspaper Verdens Gang when it became the largest newspaper in Norway?
Created by Oceanh (talk), Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 14
Pedro Fróilaz de Traba
- ... that Pedro Fróilaz de Traba (fl. 1086–1126) had an iron statue of himself erected in the square in front of the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela?
Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Galician nobleman Pedro Fróilaz de Traba raised the future Alfonso VII of León and Castile?
Joseph Zack Kornfeder
- ... that Joseph Zack Kornfeder, a founding member of the Communist Party of America in 1919, became a vigorous anti-Communist after his wife was arrested by the NKVD during the Great Purge of 1937–38?
Created by Carrite (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 18:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Connecticut Company
- ... that the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad, which controlled most of the steam railroad mileage in the U.S. state of Connecticut, also controlled a vast system of trolley lines through the Connecticut Company?
5x expanded by NE2 (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Notes: expansion is fine, but the hook is 217 characters (should be within 200). The number of red links appears somewhat excessive in the article. Are you going to write all those pages :-) ? Materialscientist (talk) 08:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Patuxent Research Refuge
- ... that the National Wildlife Visitor Center (pictured) at Maryland's Patuxent Research Refuge is the nation's largest center for environmental science and education operated by the Department of the Interior?
Created by Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 20:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Most of the article's text is taken word for word from the source. It's PD, but nonetheless violates DYK rules. Geraldk (talk) 02:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- There is a leeway for public domain materials. Isn't it? The article clearly states
This article incorporates public domain material from websites or documents of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.
- The rules state, "Try to pick articles that are original to Wikipedia (not inclusions of free data sources) and interesting to a wide audience."
Ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon since with Hungary in December 2007, with two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, yet to complete the process?
Created by Themanwithoutapast (talk). Nominated by Patrickneil (talk) at 03:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... since Hungary was first in December 2007 ... Art LaPella (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fork of Treaty of Lisbon? --74.13.130.90 (talk) 07:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Rather a split-up article. If accepting that all those details are useful (which I can't really tell) then keeping them in one article would be too inconvenient. Materialscientist (talk) 09:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't mean the 5-fold expansion rule can be ignored. --74.14.16.208 (talk) 02:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- A grammatically valid way to formulate this would be:
- ALT2:
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon, starting with Hungary in December 2007, with two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, yet to complete the process?
- However, I think it might be more interesting to use some other fact from the article, such as:
- ALT3:
- ... that the Italian Senate and Chamber of Deputies both unanimously ratified the Treaty of Lisbon?
- ALT4:
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon since 2007, and only two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, have yet to complete the process?
- I still find the language in ALT2 unwieldily, and all attempts to clear it with the mention of hungary still in there failed. Suggest removing Hungary entirely. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Dave Davies
File:Knk70.jpg
- ... that guitarist Dave Davies of The Kinks (pictured) created the signature buzzing, distorted guitar sound of the 1964 hit "You Really Got Me" by slitting the speaker cone on his Elpico amplifier?
5x expanded by I.M.S. (talk). Self nom at 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I began expanding this article quite a bit a few days ago. If someone could verify how much it has been expanded, and/or how much more it needs to be expanded (if this is the case), I would truly appreciate it. If the article need a little bit more added to it, I'll be happy to add that little bit. Many thanks - I.M.S. (talk) 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
You've close to doubled it. Would need to be approximately 35k characters to have been expanded fivefold in the last five days, have under 15k. Another issue is that significant portions of the article are not referenced, hence the dispute tag. Geraldk (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Would it be alright if I worked on it over the next few days and try to expand and improve it? I'm not sure if I could manage 35k, but I'll try my best. - I.M.S. (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, please try. Materialscientist (talk) 09:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe I'm getting close. I might have it done in another day or two. - I.M.S. (talk) 03:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would behoove you to install the prose size calculator. The article is currently at 13k. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 10:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Or better yet, use DYKcheck, which we prefer to prosesize.js because it performs the same function and more, and because it's no harder to use (with or without installing). Art LaPella (talk) 04:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Carl Rosa Opera Company
- ... that during its first fifteen years, the Carl Rosa Opera Company prospered, earning good notices and playing frequent seasons at the Drury Lane Theatre?
Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook is rather ordinary, :-) I think there are some better possibilities in the article. Here are two suggestions:
- ALT1: ... that the Carl Rosa Opera Company encouraged and commissioned several works by English composers, including the operas Pauline by Frederic Hymen Cowen and Esmeralda by Arthur Goring Thomas?
- ALT2: ... that Queen Victoria was "vastly amused" by a command performance in 1892 of La fille du régiment, presented by the Carl Rosa Opera Company at Balmoral Castle?
Ritchie Yorke
- ... that Ritchie Yorke instigated and organized the first political meeting between a pop star and a prime minister, between John Lennon and Pierre Trudeau in 1969?
Created by Irywarana (talk). Self nom at 08:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
More than half of the article is missing inline citations, and I can't see the hook as stated here in the article. Also, the hook itself needs to be reworded for style and clarity. --Russavia Dialogue 10:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Irywarana's comment at the bottom of this page probably belongs here. Also, the hook's question mark was removed despite I2. Art LaPella (talk) 05:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 13
Satyashodhak Communist Party
- ... that the Satyashodhak Communist Party was founded in Maharastra, India in 1978, seeking to combine the philosophies of Karl Marx, B.R. Ambedkar and Jyotirao Phule?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Conrad Vogt-Svendsen, Arne Berge
- ... that Arne Berge and Conrad Vogt-Svendsen, priests at the Norwegian seamen's church in Hamburg, played a central role in the White Buses operation?
- ALT: ... that Arne Berge and Conrad Vogt-Svendsen, priests at the Norwegian seamen's church in Hamburg, helped planning and carrying out the White Buses operation?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Byrds (album)
- ... that between October 1972 and February 1973, while the original members of The Byrds reunited for the Byrds album, two different line-ups of the band existed concurrently, with Roger McGuinn being the only member common to both groups?
5x expanded by Kohoutek1138 (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: "... that under the terms of the agreement between David Geffen and Columbia Records' president, Clive Davis, concerning the recording of The Byrds' reunion album in 1972, David Crosby and Roger McGuinn were required to record a joint album together? (My preference would be for the first hook because the alternate secondary hook may need rewording, since the proposed David Crosby/Roger McGuinn album was never actually recorded.) --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 21:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- The hook needs to link to the article, Byrds (the album, not the band). See the other hooks for examples, or see I4. Art LaPella (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
A bigger problem is that the article's prose, which we define to exclude the lists and references from Byrds (album)#Personnel onwards, has not been expanded fivefold as described at F1 (unless one of the hard-to-detect exceptions applies). 15500/3771=4.1x expansion. We encourage nominators in this situation to add more prose. Art LaPella (talk) 02:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I've reworded the first hook so that it actually features a link to the article in question. As for the article's length, that's a shame, I was aware that it was a little less than a x5 expansion but I hoped that it was near enough. I'll have to try expanding the article and get back to you. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Miguel Angel Sano
- ... that Dominican baseball player Miguel Angel Sano received the highest international signing bonus in Minnesota Twins history, more than the Twins spent on 70 international prospects from 2006 to 2008 combined?
5x expanded by GlassCobra (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: "... that Dominican baseball player Miguel Angel Sano received the largest bonus for a Latin American player from outside of Cuba in 2009, and the second highest bonus ever for a Dominican amateur, for signing with the Minnesota Twins?" (No objection to rewording either hook. A hook could also be designed for the controversy surrounding his age and the investigations that have been conducted, see article for details.) GlassCobra 15:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Yusei Kikuchi
- ... that Japanese high school pitcher Yusei Kikuchi could be the first player to bypass a domestic draft and come play for a Major League Baseball team?
Created by GlassCobra (talk). Self nom at 14:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: "... that if Japanese high school pitcher Yusei Kikuchi bypasses his domestic draft and comes to play for a Major League Baseball team, he will be the first to do so?" (No objections to rewording the hook, improvements welcome over my clumsy attempts here. Basically, Kikuchi could be the first player to bypass the Japanese draft and come to America to play for MLB.) GlassCobra 14:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Battle of Unsan
- ... that during the Korean War, the Chinese victory over the US 8th Cavalry at Unsan was a mistake?
- The end of this is incredibly vague. How was it a mistake? To which side? Why not a better Alt about it being the biggest US defeat in the conflict? Skinny87 (talk) 11:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
5x expanded by Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Jim101 (talk) 05:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that the first Chinese encounter with the US forces during the Korean War, which resulted in the destruction of the US 8th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of Unsan, is considered to be an accident by the Chinese military?
- ALT 2: ... that the defeat of the US 8th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of Unsan has been called "one of the most devastating US losses of the Korean War."? Jim101 (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit unsure about the last one because technically Task Force Faith is the most devastating US losses of the Korean War. Jim101 (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT3:... that the Chinese and U.S. forces made their first encounter with each other during the Korean War at the Battle of Unsan, and it was considered an accidental victory by the Chinese military? --74.14.16.208 (talk) 08:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Observations, systematical and geographical ...
- ... that Observations, systematical and geographical, on the herbarium collected by Professor Christian Smith, in the vicinity of the Congo, during the expedition to explore that river, under the command of Captain Tuckey, in the year 1816 became known as "Brown's Congo"?
Created by Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 00:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't see much sense in this 267 character hook, merely introducing two alternative names, and do suggest renaming the article into Brown's Congo and find a better hook. This long name is not fun, but nuisance as some fields (like edit summary) can't properly handle it. Materialscientist (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- The technology should serve the needs of the encyclopedia, not the other way around, so I don't see much of a problem with this.
- The hook doesn't do more than introducing two alternative names, but I do think that it will elicit interest into the article, which is what DYK hooks should do. It is too long, true, but if ever there was an article for which that rule should be ignored, this would be it. Ucucha 12:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- One chooses the most appropriate name for the article, not the most convenient name for the DYK hook. If the length of the name prevents it appearing on DYK, so be it. Hesperian 15:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- The cuteness of the hook is in the name, and its length really prevents much else from going in. I thought it was good, as does Hesp. Matter of opinion really. Not sure what else we can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I understand, but this looks like a show-off. Hundreds (if not thousands) of documents of that time had long, funny sounding (to us now) names like this. This does not mean we should revert to that style and (re)name all WP articles. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an odd argument. Has anyone suggested we should rename all Wikipedia articles in the style of 19th century documents? Does using the title of a 19th century document as the title of an article on that document imply anything at all about article titles in general? If you don't like the hook, that's fine; but your comments on the appropriateness of the title are both incoherent and off-topic. Hesperian 02:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- No hard feelings. To me, this is a policy argument - long names are simply inconvenient to handle and do not appear nice when bolded in a hook. If others think its fine for DYK, I would gladly accept that. Materialscientist (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an odd argument. Has anyone suggested we should rename all Wikipedia articles in the style of 19th century documents? Does using the title of a 19th century document as the title of an article on that document imply anything at all about article titles in general? If you don't like the hook, that's fine; but your comments on the appropriateness of the title are both incoherent and off-topic. Hesperian 02:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- I understand, but this looks like a show-off. Hundreds (if not thousands) of documents of that time had long, funny sounding (to us now) names like this. This does not mean we should revert to that style and (re)name all WP articles. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Per materialscientist, this name is much too unwieldy, and in any case it violates WP:MOS which states that the most common name should be used, which by the article's own admission is "Brown's Congo". Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- WP:MOS says no such thing. Nor does WP:NC, which is what you probably meant. And the article does not say that. Three strikes; you're out. :-) Hesperian 00:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- NC is a subpage of MOS. And the article clearly states that "Brown's Congo" is what the book "became known at the time". As to your final point, I note that NC-BK has only recently been changed to state that "the title" should be used rather than the most common name. So I'd say that's more like three balls on your part. Gatoclass (talk) 02:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Per materialscientist, this name is much too unwieldy, and in any case it violates WP:MOS which states that the most common name should be used, which by the article's own admission is "Brown's Congo". Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- The cuteness of the hook is in the name, and its length really prevents much else from going in. I thought it was good, as does Hesp. Matter of opinion really. Not sure what else we can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I would question the use of this particular title for the article as well. As seen at this image, which is identified as being the original publication of this work, the original title was Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on Professor Christian Smith's Collection of Plants from the Vicinity of the River Congo. That's a long title, but it's something like 100 characters shorter than the one currently being used for the article. It's not clear to me that the use of the current extremely long title comports with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed a few hours ago. I had been going by this version. I agree that a move may be warranted. But I'll have to check my other sources first; Brown had a habit of giving his offprints/preprints slightly different names to the original publications (see, for example, On the Proteaceae of Jussieu), and in that case all we can really do is use the name preferred by reliable sources, regardless of whether that is the "original" name. Hesperian 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits gives a rough idea what I'm talking about. If we exclude Wikimedia projects, the "on Professor" version gets 9 hits, and the "on the herbarium" version gets nearly 300! Hesperian 03:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Assuming that the "on the herbarium" version is the more appropriate version to use, it would then seem that the proper title under Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books)#Subtitles would be Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on the Herbarium Collected by Professor Christian Smith, in the Vicinity of the Congo. Looking at the version you cited, since "Congo" is the last word on the title page to be printed in large type, "during the expedition to explore that river, under the command of Captain Tuckey, in the year 1816" should get relegated to being a subtitle and left out of the title of the Wikipedia page. Alternatively, the main title could even be cut off after the word "Herbarium" as that appears to be printed in the largest size of type. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits gives a rough idea what I'm talking about. If we exclude Wikimedia projects, the "on Professor" version gets 9 hits, and the "on the herbarium" version gets nearly 300! Hesperian 03:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed a few hours ago. I had been going by this version. I agree that a move may be warranted. But I'll have to check my other sources first; Brown had a habit of giving his offprints/preprints slightly different names to the original publications (see, for example, On the Proteaceae of Jussieu), and in that case all we can really do is use the name preferred by reliable sources, regardless of whether that is the "original" name. Hesperian 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would probably make more sense, if you're going to go down this route, to use Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on the Herbarium Collected by Professor Christian Smith. If you stop at "Herberium", I don't think it identifies the work sufficiently. Gatoclass (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, assuming that "most common name" no longer applies to book titles, which seems to be the case, then I think it would probably make more sense to end at the word "Congo", as Metropolitan has suggested, as the rest can be considered a subtitle. That is where other resources appear to assume the subtitle begins. Gatoclass (talk) 02:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would probably make more sense, if you're going to go down this route, to use Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on the Herbarium Collected by Professor Christian Smith. If you stop at "Herberium", I don't think it identifies the work sufficiently. Gatoclass (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 12
Casa Paoli
- ... that the Casa Paoli (pictured) was a wedding gift to the great Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli's parents, getting married after having five children already?
Created by Mercy11 (talk), Doncram (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook needs revising. Just getting this in to start process. doncram (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the Casa Paoli (pictured) was a wedding gift to the parents of the Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli, who already had five children together at the time of their marriage?
- ALT2... that the Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli was inspired to sing opera during visits to the La Perla Theater, six blocks from his childhood home Casa Paoli (pictured)? Geraldk (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook needs revising. Just getting this in to start process. doncram (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 is closer to the source, to be honest Teatro La Perla can be expanded by itself, so maybe its better to avoid using it in an unrelated DYK. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I like ALT 1 better for being closer to the source, too. To unwrap it differently, so it does not start to seem that it was Antonio who had 5 children already, how about:
- ALT3... that Puerto Rican tenor Antonio Paoli's birthplace, the Casa Paoli (pictured), was a wedding gift to his parents, who already had five children together at the time of their marriage?
- That gets in "birthplace" as well, conveying Paoli was not one of the first-five born (he was 7th of 8 actually), and more importance for the house. doncram (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
ALT3 looks good. Date, length, and hook verified. MuZemike 01:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Casting defect
- ... that there are five main types of metal casting defects: gas porosity, shrinkage defects, mold material defects, pouring metal defects, and metallurgical defects?
Created by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- (i) A few "citation needed" tags need to be taken care of; (ii) the article (and maybe the hook) should comment on the cast materials being considered. Is it only metals? (iii) The reference says that those 5 are major in sand casting. Is it correct to generalize the hook on other types (die casting, for example)? A few words on that would be nice in the article. Materialscientist (talk) 10:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I've addressed point 2 and noted that the article is in reference to metal casting. I've also updated the hook to reflect that. As for point 1, I don't know of any DYK rules that prevent them from being in a DYK article as long as they don't compromise the hook. As for point 3, you are correct that the ref states that it is in reference to sand casting, however the they are also perfectly applicable to any other metal casting method. I'll see if I can find a ref. Wizard191 (talk) 16:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Maurycy Orzech
- ... that Maurycy Orzech, along with Leon Feiner, wrote the telegraph which informed the Bundist member of the Polish government in Exile, Szmul Zygielbojm, about the outbreak of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?
Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Gwyn Shea
- ...
that Gwyn Shea resigned as Texas secretary of state in 2003 to become a lobbyist for Harrah's Entertainment Company?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ...
that Gwyn Shea lobbied for privatization of the state lottery after resigning as Texas secretary of state in 2003 to accept employment with Harrah's Entertainment Company? - ALT 2 ... that after resigning in 2003 as Texas secretary of state, Gwyn Shea accepted employment with Harrah's Entertainment Company and lobbied for privatization of the state lottery?
Sephardic Bikur Holim Congregation
- ... that Rabbis Abraham Maimon and Solomon Maimon of Seattle's Sephardic Bikur Holim Congregation (synagogue pictured) claimed descent from Maimonides?
5x expanded by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 01:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would think that a nearly-century-old Sephardic congregation in Western North America was quite notable. There are very few. Certainly several associated individuals are quite notable (Solomon Maimon as the first Sephardic rabbi ordained in the U.S. and Samuel Benaroya as one of the few people ever to record Ottoman Hebrew sacred music, for example. And their present synagogue was designed by B. Marcus Priteca, which would probably make it notable right there).
- I haven't gone searching heavily for sources, because their own online history was so thorough. This is more or less a "start" level article at this point (as are most on DYK). Are you questioning overall notability (as in you'd like to delete it) or just saying you don't think it's notable enough for DYK? Most of the relevant third-party sources are going to be print-only; I can track some down if you really doubt notability, but frankly would prefer not to put in that work at this time. - Jmabel | Talk 16:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- The congregation may well be notable but given the lack of independent third party sources, the article doesn't look to meet wp:note in its current form. It would help a lot if you could add a couple of independent sources. Certainly I'm not about to AfD it, but I don't think DYK should be featuring articles that fail to meet basic guidelines. Gatoclass (talk) 10:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 11
New federal states
- ... that about 1.7 million people have left the new federal states of Germany since the fall of the Berlin Wall, or 12% of the population, most of them women under 35?
5x expanded by Nero the second (talk). Self nom at 19:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Article is interesting, but I wonder if it should be named "New federal states of Germany". About the hook, the sources support the 1.7 million and 12%, but not most being women under 35. Source states 2/3 being women. And i think it supported that a disproportionate number of women under 35, but not most being in that category. Also I wonder if just saying 12% and not the 1.7 million number would suffice for the hook. doncram (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ... that since the fall of the Berlin Wall, the new federal states of Germany lost 12% of their population to migration, including 500,000 women under 30? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero the second (talk • contribs) 13:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2 ... that in 2004, there were only 90 women for every 100 men in the age group 18-29 in the new federal states of Germany? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero the second (talk • contribs) 18:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
ALT2 is the good one. Date, length, and hook verified. MuZemike 01:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
List of BC Lions head coaches
- ... that all three former head coaches of the BC Lions already inducted to the Canadian Football Hall of Fame, Annis Stukus, Eagle Keys and Cal Murphy, had losing records coaching this Canadian football club?
Created by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk). Anon. nom at 02:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Date and length verified. The source before the hook [10] gives the list of name and the cite following the next sentence also give a list of stats [11]. Is it infered from this information that they had losing records during this period? Its also not cited directly after this statement. Can a additional reference be added or issue clearified. Thanks in advance ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N. 18:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- The sentence is referenced by the general reference. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Under the rules it states that the hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable. I would understand this to include the general reference. The general reference is fine for the article, just not the hook. Length and date pass. Kindly ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N. 16:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
ClearCurve
- ... that Corning's ClearCurve optical cable is hundreds of times more flexible than conventional fibers, allowing it to be pulled through walls and around sharp corners in fiber to the home installations?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Could you help finding the references for the hook ("hundred times", etc, parts) ? Materialscientist (talk) 10:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Added, from the original Corning page. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Honestly, I like the article, but fear unjustified claims (specifically, the hook says "hundreds of times"). Ref. 5 is a self-citation by Corning, a page advertising their own product. Ref. 6 does not say hundreds and I have some reservation about its language ("just one tight turn around the bookcase and the signal is kaput". Questionable :-). A modest and well-referenced claim should pass. Materialscientist (talk) 06:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- This Corning landing page (ref 5) states, and I quote, "Corning ClearCurve single-mode optical fiber is hundreds of times more bendable than standard single-mode fiber". I realize that claims an amazing advance in the state of fiber, but that's why it should be in DYK.
- What exactly is your "fear" based on? Do you have any reason to suspect this hook isn't perfectly accurate? If you don't believe that Corning's own claims of Corning's own products are accurate, can you demonstrate this "fear" with your own 1st party, credible references? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I believe a DYK hook, which is based on a one-sentence popular advertisement by a company of its own product, is at least questionable. You should know better than I that the majority of such ads are "not exactly accurate". Also, I could define "hundreds of times more bendable" in several ways and would expect the article to be clear on that rather than leave me guessing. So, if you please set aside your usual biting of the referees and fixed that point, this nom could be rectified in no time. Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- The reference is not an "ad". It's the main product page from a major international company. The claim is demonstrated in the linked video, if you care to watch it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- I believe a DYK hook, which is based on a one-sentence popular advertisement by a company of its own product, is at least questionable. You should know better than I that the majority of such ads are "not exactly accurate". Also, I could define "hundreds of times more bendable" in several ways and would expect the article to be clear on that rather than leave me guessing. So, if you please set aside your usual biting of the referees and fixed that point, this nom could be rectified in no time. Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Maury, I did watch the video, but you're missing my point. I really do like the topic, I know it first hand, but I may not pass a commercial ad to the main page. Materialscientist (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
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Articles for Oct 31 - Halloween ... See special page below
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The special nominations page for Halloween 2009 is at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Halloween_2009 and has more than 18 entries so far.
Hell Gate (ghost town)
- ... that Hell Gate, a ghost town in western Montana, was the scene of several notorious lynchings in 1864?
Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 04:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- FYI, I moved this to Hell Gate, Montana, because so far as I know ghost town articles take the same pattern as regular US location articles (i.e., town name, state name). --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The external link clinches it. Another one Tim Victuallers (talk) 17:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Madol Doova
- ... that in the Sinhala novel Madol Doova, Upali and Jinna, the two protagonists, go to live in a "haunted" island?
5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
St Mary's Church, Walberton
- ... that a 1767 gravestone (pictured) at St Mary's Church, Walberton shows the victim crushed under a tree, as a laughing skeleton and scythe-wielding Father Time look on?
- Comment: Started 18th Oct. Sussex has lots of morbid gravestones; this is the spookiest I've come across so far.
- Comment: Started 18th Oct. Sussex has lots of morbid gravestones; this is the spookiest I've come across so far.
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 18:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Chris Massoglia
- ... that the theatrical release of The Vampire's Assistant, starring Chris Massoglia, was moved to October 2009 from 2010 so that it could open prior to the highly-anticipated vampire picture New Moon?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer: My Life at Rose Red
- ... that inspired by The Blair Witch Project, Stephen King conceived the idea of presenting The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer: My Life at Rose Red as a real work by having the fictional "Dr. Joyce Reardon" edit it?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thanks Victuallers (talk) 16:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Demons of Sri Lanka
- ... that on every Wednesday and Saturday, all demons assemble to give an account of their activities to their king?
- ALT1:... that on every Wednesday and Saturday, all demons assemble to give an account of their activities to their king, and later engage in merry–making?
- Comment: Demons partying... those guys must be so cool :P
Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 06:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd prefer this (below) to avoid the 'Easter egg' about which demons these are. Great hook though! Olaf Davis (talk) 15:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2... that on every Wednesday and Saturday, the Demons of Sri Lanka assemble to give an account of their activities to their king?
Haunted Island
- ... that the 1928 silent action film serial Haunted Island featured episodes with titles such as "The Phantom Rider," "The Haunted Room," "The Fires of Fury," and "Buried Alive"?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Article fails to adequately deal with the topic and just barely meets length requirements. It just has the list of episode titles, a very short synopsis, and 3 "production" sentences. To have eight sources, surely more can be said? Also, what makes the titles "lurid"? or interesting? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is a matter of opinion whether the article "fails to adequately deal with the topic..." It is only Start-class, not C-class, B-class, or GA. If it meets length requirements, it meets length requirements. Any assertion that "surely more can be said" questions whether a lost film (which has not been seen since 1928) can be described more fully. Do you have inside knowledge which supports this claim? Have you read the sources cited? One person's "lurid" ("shocking, horrifying; melodramatic") is another person's "tame," although I think there is a clear case in favor of judging "Phantom Rider" and "Buried Alive" as lurid (e.g., melodramatic). - Tim1965 (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm... this looks good enough to me. But whatever problems there may be with the article are surely not enough to reject the hook straight away? Maybe
until (and if) any improvements can be made, but this shouldn't be rejected outright for such a small problem IMO. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 15:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I changed the symbol...though I'm not sure its a small problem. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Adequate coverage of the topic is a criteria for a DYK. It is "classified" as Start because someone put it there. As someone who works with film articles, I'd call it a stub, not a start. There is little information in teh article, and there is a reasonable expectation that if there are eight sources mentioning it, that something else can be said about it beyond what is there. If not, I'd question its notability at all, if those eight sources do nothing but mention it in passing. I see nothing "lurid" about any of those titles, but if it is a direct quote from a source, it should be quoted as such. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm... this looks good enough to me. But whatever problems there may be with the article are surely not enough to reject the hook straight away? Maybe
Reeri Yakseya
- ... that Reeri Yakseya, who is believed to be the most cruel and powerful demon in Sinhalese folklore, can assume 18 different apparitions?
- ALT1:... that Reeri Yakseya stands beside dying men, holding a rooster and a club in his hands and a human corpse in his mouth?
- Comment: Shorter than the previous one (and just past the character limit), but worth a shot I think.
Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 16:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles for Nov 10 - 40th anniversary of Sesame Street
Sesame Street Merchandise
- ... that the Sesame Workshop licenses the extensive amount of Sesame Street Merchandise to help fund Sesame Street or its international co-productions?
Created by User:Jhfortier. Nominated by --Christine (talk) 11:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles for November 26 - U.S. Thanksgiving Day
Unthanksgiving day
- ... that Unthanksgiving day is held annually on Alcatraz Island as a counterpoint to the traditional Thanksgiving story and to give thanks for Native American survival in the face of genocide?
Created by Tulkoju (talk), Drmies (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The hook is a tad too long (at 201 characters). Please shorten the hook a little. MuZemike 02:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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