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:*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px]] I noticed a few paragraphs were unreferenced, so please add refs there. And I added a <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki> tag to the article concerning the term "certain individuals". Please specify or re-word the instance in both the hook and article.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 17:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
:*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px]] I noticed a few paragraphs were unreferenced, so please add refs there. And I added a <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki> tag to the article concerning the term "certain individuals". Please specify or re-word the instance in both the hook and article.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 17:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::*Fixed the <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki> citation and all paragraphs now have a citation. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] ([[User talk:Esemono|talk]]) 00:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC) |
::*Fixed the <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki> citation and all paragraphs now have a citation. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] ([[User talk:Esemono|talk]]) 00:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::''never seriously pursued'', where has this come from? It would appear to be some original research? Or is there a cite for it? From where I see it, it is a subjective editorial comment? --[[User:Russavia|Russavia]] <sup>[[User talk:Russavia|Dialogue]]</sup> 07:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC) |
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*'''ALT 1''' ... that [[Poland]] studied creating a '''[[Colonies of Poland|Polish colony in Madagascar]]''' as a place to deport its [[History of the Jews in Poland|Jewish population]]? |
*'''ALT 1''' ... that [[Poland]] studied creating a '''[[Colonies of Poland|Polish colony in Madagascar]]''' as a place to deport its [[History of the Jews in Poland|Jewish population]]? |
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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on October 15
B. Dalton
- ... that B. Dalton, once the second-largest bookstore in the U.S., was founded in 1966 by the Dayton's department store chain?
- Comment: This was created as a redirect back in 2006 and did not beome an article until today.
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Fuiste un Trozo de Hielo en la Escarcha
- ... that the song "Fuiste un Trozo de Hielo en la Escarcha" performed by Puerto Rican singer Chayanne was written by a member of the Spanish band Mecano?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 01:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 01:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Mussabini Medal
- ... that the Mussabini Medal sought to celebrate the coaches of British sportspeole that had achieved outstanding success on the world stage?
Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 00:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Suzuki Hayabusa
- ... that the Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle was named after a falcon that preys on blackbirds, a reference to the Honda CBR1100XX Super Blackbird?
- ALT1:... that the 1999 Suzuki Hayabusa clinched its status as the fastest motorcycle of the 20th Century after the 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R was speed-restricted due to a manufacturers' "gentleman's agreement?"
- Comment: Alt image (goes with either hook)...
5x expanded by Dbratland (talk), Brianhe (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Radom Ghetto
- ... that many Jews of the Radom Ghetto were forced to work in the Radom arms factory?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that many Jews of the Radom Ghetto in occupied Poland were forced to work in the Radom arms factory? I.M.S. (talk) 00:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Julius Beerbohm
- ... that Julius Beerbohm, a Victorian author, engineer and explorer, traveled to Patagonia in 1877 to survey the land between Port Desire and Santa Cruz, traveling across deserts and through jungles in the footsteps of Ferdinand Magellan?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Nominated by I.M.S. (talk) at 00:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
ALT 1 ... that Julius Beerbohm, a Victorian author and explorer, traveled to Patagonia in 1877 to survey the land between Port Desire and Santa Cruz in the footsteps of Ferdinand Magellan? - I.M.S. (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - Does ALT1 sound better? I trimmed of extra fat, including "engineer" and "as part of a group". I also took of the part mentioning Max Beerbohm. I.M.S. (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 14
Accurate News and Information Act
- ... that the Accurate News and Information Act, passed in 1937 by the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, gave a committee of legislators the authority to compel a newspaper to reveal its sources?
Created by Steve Smith (talk). Self nom at 04:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Peppi Bruneau
- ... that the former Louisiana State Representative Peppi Bruneau of New Orleans secured passage of a bill clarifying the right of a victim to shoot carjackers?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon
- ... that 25 nations have ratified the Treaty of Lisbon since with Hungary in December 2007, with two countries, Ireland and the Czech Republic, yet to complete the process?
Created by Themanwithoutapast (talk). Nominated by Patrickneil (talk) at 03:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... since Hungary was first in December 2007 ... Art LaPella (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Dave Davies
File:Knk70.jpg
- ... that guitarist Dave Davies of The Kinks (pictured) created the signature buzzing, distorted guitar sound of the 1964 hit "You Really Got Me" by slitting the speaker cone on his Elpico amplifier?
5x expanded by I.M.S. (talk). Self nom at 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I began expanding this article quite a bit a few days ago. If someone could verify how much it has been expanded, and/or how much more it needs to be expanded (if this is the case), I would truly appreciate it. If the article need a little bit more added to it, I'll be happy to add that little bit. Many thanks - I.M.S. (talk) 00:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
You've close to doubled it. Would need to be approximately 35k characters to have been expanded fivefold in the last five days, have under 15k. Another issue is that significant portions of the article are not referenced, hence the dispute tag. Geraldk (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Would it be alright if I worked on it over the next few days and try to expand and improve it? I'm not sure if I could manage 35k, but I'll try my best. - I.M.S. (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Nicholas Upsall
- ... that Puritan colonist Nicholas Upsall, among the very first freemen selected in the American colonies, was banished and then helped found the first Monthly Meeting of the Quakers in America?
5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- OR ALT1
- ... that Puritan colonist Nicholas Upsall saved the lives of jailed Quaker pioneers Mary Fisher and Ann Austin, was later banished, and then helped found the first Monthly Meeting of the Quakers in America?
5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
David Aukin
- ... that producer David Aukin has been nominated for two BAFTA Awards for films about Tony Blair?
Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Henry Suter
- ... that Manual of the New Zealand Mollusca was made by Henry Suter (pictured) from Switzerland?
5x expanded by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 22:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Carl Rosa Opera Company
- ... that during its first fifteen years, the Carl Rosa Opera Company prospered, earning good notices and playing frequent seasons at the Drury Lane Theatre?
Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Engle Monumental Clock
- ... that the Engle Monumental Clock (pictured) by Stephen Decatur Engle was once exhibited as "The Eighth Wonder of the World"?
Created by B.s.n.R.N. (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- ( alt) ... that people paid to see a skeleton strike a thigh bone against a human skull every sixty minutes for more than seventy years?
- What do you think? Victuallers (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Flag of Bhutan
- ... the current flag of Bhutan (pictured) was introduced after it was noticed the previous square version didn't flutter like the Indian flag?
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT #1 ... that the Druk as shown on the flag of Bhutan (pictured) is linked to the Drukpa lineage of Tibetan Buddhism and has a historical basis dating back to 1189? --Russavia Dialogue 18:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Myron Brinig
- ... that homosexual novelist Myron Brinig wrote several novels about homosexuality, yet he was closeted all his life?
Created by Theleftorium (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Isn't the word "publicly" implicit in closeted? Victuallers (talk) 19:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Credit broker
- ... that under British law, credit brokers include not only loan and mortgage brokers, but also solicitors, car dealers and retail shops? Ironholds (talk) 16:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
SS Empire Bay
- ... that SS Empire Bay was sunk by bombs dropped by Dornier Do 217 U5+HS of 8 Staffeln, Kampfgeschwader 2 on 15 January 1942?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Ritchie Yorke
- ... that Ritchie Yorke instigated and organized the first political meeting between a pop star and a prime minister? This meeting was between John Lennon and Pierre Trudeau.
Created by Irywarana (talk). Self nom at 08:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Manga de Dokuha
- ... that the Japanese Manga de Dokuha series published a controversial manga version of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler?
- Comment: The article is actually smaller in terms of total bytes from this original revision, but that version had only two sentences of prose and numerous redundant references. The current version features five paragraphs of prose, but with the redundant references removed.
5x expanded by Brandt Luke Zorn (talk). Self nom at 00:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 13
Lucia Newman
- ... that in March 1997, Lucia Newman became the first United States journalist in twenty-seven years to have permanent residence in Cuba?
Created by Cunard (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Saint Melangell's Church, Pennant Melangell
- ... that the shrine at Saint Melangell's Church, Pennant Melangell, (pictured), is reputedly the oldest Romanesque shrine in Britain, dating from the early 1100s?
5x expanded by Geaugagrrl (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
William B. Quandt
- ... that the book The Israel Lobby credited the Brookings Institution for having William B. Quandt (pictured) as its Middle East policy expert, citing his "well-deserved reputation for even-handedness"?
Created by CasualObserver'48 (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 19:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Lake George, New York)
- ... that the Lake George, New York, post office (pictured) features Streamline Moderne and Art Deco touches on a basic Colonial Revival building?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Eridanus Group
- ... that the Eridanus Group of around 200 galaxies is the subject of ongoing study due to its significant population of lenticular galaxies?
Created by Nick Ottery (talk). Self nom at 09:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length, date, refs Ok. "Nearby" is superfluous in the hook (it means those galaxies are close to each other). The hook could be better ("ongoing study" sounds lame). Materialscientist (talk) 10:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look Materialscientist. Nearby in this context refers to the Eridanus Group being a part of the local Universe, i.e. that it is a neighbour of the Local Group within the Virgo Supercluster. Admittedly the word is probably superfluous given the purpose of DYK. I've removed it from the original and not added it to the ALT hooks I've suggested below. Nick Ottery (talk) 12:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Eridanus Group of galaxies has a high proportion of significantly evolved lenticular galaxies despite the Group being in the early stages of its own evolution?
- ALT2: ... that the distribution of galaxy types found within the Eridanus Group provides evidence for the theory of cold dark matter?
ALT2 is what I was waiting for. Others are correct but a bit too technical for DYK. Formal article criteria are Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 22:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Lhasa Zhol Pillar
- ... that the tall stone Lhasa Zhol Pillar (c. 764 CE), which stands neglected below the Potala Palace, is inscribed with the oldest known Tibetan writing and records the capture of the Chinese capital in 763?
Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 15:38 14 October 2009(UTC)
George Strake, Jr.
- ... that the Houston businessman, philanthropist, and politician George Strake, Jr., was among the benefactors in the restoration of the World War II vessel, USS Cavalla (SS-244)?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length, hook, ref check out. But for some reason, reference four isn't formatting properly. Mm40 (talk) 11:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- the "url" parameter attribute was missing. (The URL was there, but "url=" was not.) Fixed. Horologium (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Angelo Errichetti
- ... that Judge George C. Pratt blamed Angelo Errichetti for luring U.S. Senator Harrison A. Williams to accept Abscam bribes, with Pratt describing Errichetti as "the center of a cesspool of corruption"?
5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Black Abbey
- ... that the name of the Black Abbey (pictured) is based on the fact that the Dominicans were often referred to as Black Friars, because of the black cappa or cloak which they wear over their white habits?
Created by Invertzoo (talk); AFBorchert (talk; Mbz1 (talk). Nominated by Mbz1 (talk) at 20:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Raymond A. Brown
- ... that lawyer Raymond A. Brown's clients included boxer Rubin "Hurricane" Carter, Black Liberation Army member Joanne Chesimard and "Dr. X" physician Mario Jascalevich?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Dar Lyon
- ... that English cricketer Dar Lyon was the only player involved in the 1924 Test Trial match not to go on to represent England at Test cricket?
Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 15:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Homonoia
- ... that Alexander the Great was one of the greatest supporters of Homonoia?
Created by Esemono (talk). Nominated by Esemono (talk) at 09:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article has many citations, meets length requirements and was created in its present form today. Assuming the hook reference is correct, well done! -- Casmith_789 (talk) 14:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Shaku (Japanese ritual baton)
- ... that the ritual baton called a shaku held by Japanese officials like Emperor Hirohito (pictured) was originally meant just to keep small sheets for memoranda and other notes?
Created by Urashimataro (talk). Nominated by Urashimataro (talk) at 09:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Edmund Dummer, the Surveyor of the Navy, who founded the Royal Navy dockyard at Devonport in the 1690s, died bankrupt in the Fleet debtors' prison?
5x expanded by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 06:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Oakwood Cemetery (Troy, New York)
- ... that Oakwood Cemetery in Troy, New York is the resting place of the progenitor of Uncle Sam, Samuel Wilson (Wilson's grave pictured), financier Russell Sage, and educators Emma Willard and Amos Eaton?
5x expanded by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 05:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Battle of Unsan
- ... that during the Korean War, the Chinese victory over the US 8th Cavalry at Unsan was a mistake?
- The end of this is incredibly vague. How was it a mistake? To which side? Why not a better Alt about it being the biggest US defeat in the conflict? Skinny87 (talk) 11:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
5x expanded by Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Jim101 (talk) 05:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that the first Chinese encounter with the US forces during the Korean War, which resulted in the destruction of the US 8th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of Unsan, is considered to be an accident by the Chinese military?
- ALT 2: ... that the defeat of the US 8th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of Unsan has been called "one of the most devastating US losses of the Korean War."? Jim101 (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit unsure about the last one because technically Task Force Faith is the most devastating US losses of the Korean War. Jim101 (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Zhenguo Temple
- ... that Zhenguo Temple's Wanfo Hall is the only surviving building that was built during China's Northern Han dynasty?
Created by Zeus1234 (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Maryland Toleration Act
- ... that the Maryland Toleration Act is recognized as an important milestone in the development of religious freedom, but allowed for the execution of non-Christians?
5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Observations, systematical and geographical ...
- ... that Observations, systematical and geographical, on the herbarium collected by Professor Christian Smith, in the vicinity of the Congo, during the expedition to explore that river, under the command of Captain Tuckey, in the year 1816 became known as "Brown's Congo"?
Created by Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 00:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see much sense in this 267 character hook, merely introducing two alternative names, and do suggest renaming the article into Brown's Congo and find a better hook. This long name is not fun, but nuisance as some fields (like edit summary) can't properly handle it. Materialscientist (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- The technology should serve the needs of the encyclopedia, not the other way around, so I don't see much of a problem with this.
- The hook doesn't do more than introducing two alternative names, but I do think that it will elicit interest into the article, which is what DYK hooks should do. It is too long, true, but if ever there was an article for which that rule should be ignored, this would be it. Ucucha 12:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see much sense in this 267 character hook, merely introducing two alternative names, and do suggest renaming the article into Brown's Congo and find a better hook. This long name is not fun, but nuisance as some fields (like edit summary) can't properly handle it. Materialscientist (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- One chooses the most appropriate name for the article, not the most convenient name for the DYK hook. If the length of the name prevents it appearing on DYK, so be it. Hesperian 15:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- The cuteness of the hook is in the name, and its length really prevents much else from going in. I thought it was good, as does Hesp. Matter of opinion really. Not sure what else we can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I understand, but this looks like a show-off. Hundreds (if not thousands) of documents of that time had long, funny sounding (to us now) names like this. This does not mean we should revert to that style and (re)name all WP articles. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an odd argument. Has anyone suggested we should rename all Wikipedia articles in the style of 19th century documents? Does using the title of a 19th century document as the title of an article on that document imply anything at all about article titles in general? If you don't like the hook, that's fine; but your comments on the appropriateness of the title are both incoherent and off-topic. Hesperian 02:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- No hard feelings. To me, this is a policy argument - long names are simply inconvenient to handle and do not appear nice when bolded in a hook. If others think its fine for DYK, I would gladly accept that. Materialscientist (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an odd argument. Has anyone suggested we should rename all Wikipedia articles in the style of 19th century documents? Does using the title of a 19th century document as the title of an article on that document imply anything at all about article titles in general? If you don't like the hook, that's fine; but your comments on the appropriateness of the title are both incoherent and off-topic. Hesperian 02:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- I understand, but this looks like a show-off. Hundreds (if not thousands) of documents of that time had long, funny sounding (to us now) names like this. This does not mean we should revert to that style and (re)name all WP articles. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Per materialscientist, this name is much too unwieldy, and in any case it violates WP:MOS which states that the most common name should be used, which by the article's own admission is "Brown's Congo". Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- WP:MOS says no such thing. Nor does WP:NC, which is what you probably meant. And the article does not say that. Three strikes; you're out. :-) Hesperian 00:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Per materialscientist, this name is much too unwieldy, and in any case it violates WP:MOS which states that the most common name should be used, which by the article's own admission is "Brown's Congo". Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- The cuteness of the hook is in the name, and its length really prevents much else from going in. I thought it was good, as does Hesp. Matter of opinion really. Not sure what else we can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would question the use of this particular title for the article as well. As seen at this image, which is identified as being the original publication of this work, the original title was Observations, Systematical and Geographical, on Professor Christian Smith's Collection of Plants from the Vicinity of the River Congo. That's a long title, but it's something like 100 characters shorter than the one currently being used for the article. It's not clear to me that the use of the current extremely long title comports with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed a few hours ago. I had been going by this version. I agree that a move may be warranted. But I'll have to check my other sources first; Brown had a habit of giving his offprints/preprints slightly different names to the original publications (see, for example, On the Proteaceae of Jussieu), and in that case all we can really do is use the name preferred by reliable sources, regardless of whether that is the "original" name. Hesperian 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits gives a rough idea what I'm talking about. If we exclude Wikimedia projects, the "on Professor" version gets 9 hits, and the "on the herbarium" version gets nearly 300! Hesperian 03:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed a few hours ago. I had been going by this version. I agree that a move may be warranted. But I'll have to check my other sources first; Brown had a habit of giving his offprints/preprints slightly different names to the original publications (see, for example, On the Proteaceae of Jussieu), and in that case all we can really do is use the name preferred by reliable sources, regardless of whether that is the "original" name. Hesperian 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 12
Maurycy Orzech
- ... that Maurycy Orzech, along with Leon Feiner, wrote the telegraph which informed the Bundist member of the Polish government in Exile, Szmul Zygielbojm, about the outbreak of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?
Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Apostolic Prefecture of the United States
- ... that the Apostolic Prefecture of the United States was formed in 1784 after the end of the American Revolutionary War, with Pope Pius VI approving John Carroll (pictured) as its first Superior of the Missions?
Created by ADM (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 20:34, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Heart of Stone (documentary film)
- ... that the 2009 film Heart of Stone is the story of Weequahic High School beset by gangs, and its principal working with Black and Jewish alumni and gang members to restore its glory prior to 1960?
Created by Tjmayerinsf (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Chinese in Palau
- ... that in the 19th century, the Chinese in Palau consisted of labourers and traders who intermarried with the local Palauans?
Created by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Psalmotoxin
- ... that psalmotoxin is a spider toxin from the venom of the South American tarantula Psalmopoeus cambridgei (pictured)?
Created by Cansu&myrthe (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 08:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Paul Miller (journalist)
- ... that Paul Miller, who later headed Gannett Company and the Associated Press, was the city editor of a Pawhuska, Oklahoma, newspaper before he started college?
Created by Arxiloxos (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
CALERIE
- ... that the CALERIE study subjects humans to a 25% reduction in food calories over a two-year period, to determine if calorie restriction prolongs life and reduces the incidence of cancer and cardiovascular disease?
Created by AxelBoldt (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- length is good and citation is good, but seeing nothing that indicates this is a notable topic? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times Magazine had a 6-page article about it, mainly because this is the first study to investigate the effects of prolonged calorie restriction in healthy humans. Prior longevity studies dealt with laboratory animals. I added a sentence to this effect to the article. AxelBoldt (talk) 04:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Bermuda Maritime Museum
- ... that the Commissioner's House of the Bermuda Maritime Museum is the first residence that was constructed with prefabricated cast-iron structural supports?
Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Old Warren County Courthouse Complex
- ... that the jail wing at the old Warren County courthouse (pictured) in Lake George, New York, has an unusual structural system in which the second floor is supported by steel rods suspended from the roof trusses?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 15:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The British Museum Friends
- ... that The British Museum Friends contributed to the cost of two rare coins of the Emperor Carausius, the Burney Relief and twelve Oxyrhynchus Papyri?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 14:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt... that The British Museum Friends is a charity that provides grants to the British Museum to acquire new items and collections?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Nominated by Miyagawa (talk) at 11:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt ... that The British Museum Friends recently provided funding to help the British Museum acquire twelve Greek papyri from the Oxyrhynchus Papyri?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Nominated by Miyagawa (talk) at 11:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Friends of the British Museum or British Museum Friends? The logo (see the article's infobox) and the Friends' website (with one exception) consistently say British Museum Friends, except in the phrase American Friends of the British Museum. Art LaPella (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- You are quite right...having checked the sources the trend is towards BM Friends. I will move the article. Jack1956 (talk) 06:54, 15 October 2009
- Done Jack1956 (talk) 07:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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Herschel graph
- ... that the Herschel graph (pictured) is the smallest possible polyhedral graph that does not have a Hamiltonian cycle?
Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 07:02, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length, date, fact, refs Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 11:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Gwyn Shea
- ... that Gwyn Shea resigned as Texas secretary of state in 2003 to become a lobbyist for Harrah's Entertainment Company?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT ... that Gwyn Shea lobbied for privatization of the state lottery after resigning as Texas secretary of state in 2003 to accept employment with Harrah's Entertainment Company?
Sephardic Bikur Holim Congregation
- ... that Rabbis Abraham Maimon and Solomon Maimon of Seattle's Sephardic Bikur Holim Congregation (synagogue pictured) claimed descent from Maimonides?
5x expanded by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 01:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Viedma Glacier
- ... that Viedma Glacier (pictured) is part of the huge Southern Patagonian Ice Field, the third largest expanse of continental ice after Greenland and Antarctica?
Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 00:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Operation Doomsday
- ... that during Operation Doomsday, the British 1st Airborne Division suffered 34 casualties, despite the Second World War having ended several days previously?
5x expanded by User:Skinny87 (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Franklin Borough School District
- ... that the Franklin Borough School District in rural New Jersey had a baseball field said to have been designed by Babe Ruth and local engineers to match the dimensions of the original Yankee Stadium (pictured)?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Military Courts of the United Kingdom
- ... that civilians working with the British Armed Forces overseas can be tried in the military courts?
Created by Dmvward (talk). Self nom at 11:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- But that's normal isn't it? You serve with the forces, you can be taken to the military courts. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- The key word is "civilians" ie they are not soldiers/sailors/airmen. As the article makes clear, this could include a civilian contractor, or the family of a soldier even though they are not in the services themselves. Dmvward (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Agree that article makes it clear that civilians such as family members and household visitors are included. I don't know if this is unusual or not. —mattisse (Talk) 00:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I see. Then the hook should be clarified to show that, I think. I got the impression that civilians working for the military can be tried (people employed as cooks, mechanics etc) which is normal AFAIK. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that family members living overseas with members of the British Armed Forces can be tried in the military courts? Dmvward (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 11
List of BC Lions head coaches
- ... that all three former head coaches of the BC Lions already inducted in the Canadian Football Hall of Fame, Annis Stukus, Eagle Keys and Cal Murphy, had losing records coaching this football club?
Created by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk). Anon. nom at 02:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Jayden Stockley
- ... that Jayden Stockley made his debut in the Football League for Bournemouth whilst still a student at secondary school?
Created by Jimbo online (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
RMS Persia
- ... that the British passenger liner RMS Persia was the largest ship in the world at the time of her launch in 1855?
Created by GRUBBXDN (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Hadley Parabolic Bridge
- ... that the Hadley, New York, Bow Bridge (pictured) is the only extant semi-deck lenticular truss bridge of the three known to have been made?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 23:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Creation Date, Size, all OK. Hook referenced and verified. Free image verified. Looks OK to me. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 17:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Sydney Rippon
- ... that Sydney Rippon, father of a UK Conservative minister, played in a first-class cricket match under an assumed name so the Inland Revenue would not find out?
Created by Johnlp (talk). Self nom at 21:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nomination. In the future, only bold the name of the article that the DYK is for; you had two other articles bolded, neither of which was eligible for DYK due to date of creation and lack of in-line references. However, on the Sydney Rippon hook, off-line references accepted in good faith. Geraldk (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Also see Giants27's and my comments at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Hook_in_prep_2_on_Sydney_Rippon, for what it's worth. Ucucha 03:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nomination. In the future, only bold the name of the article that the DYK is for; you had two other articles bolded, neither of which was eligible for DYK due to date of creation and lack of in-line references. However, on the Sydney Rippon hook, off-line references accepted in good faith. Geraldk (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Little Green House on K Street
- ... that the Little Green House on K Street in Washington, D.C. was where the Ohio Gang hatched such schemes as the Teapot Dome scandal?
Created by HardingDevotee (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 18:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Lionel Copley
- ... that Lionel Copley was appointed the first royal governor of the colony of Maryland after a Protestant rebellion, but died after only a year in office?
5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Victor G. Carrillo
- ... that Victor G. Carrillo, chairman of the Texas Railroad Commission, completed law school at night while he worked as a geophysicist for Amoco Oil Company? status=new
Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Citations addedBilly Hathorn (talk) 03:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The citation about law school at night is under "Our Campaigns".Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Julie Anne Robinson
- ... that Blackpool's director, Julie Anne Robinson, and writer, Peter Bowker, wanted to co-create a television serial set in Funny Girls, a British cabaret featuring male dancers in drag?
Created by Liquidluck (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- - All set. You guys need a better picture in the article though... Geraldk (talk) 21:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks! And yeah- I hope someone licenses a better shot sometime. Liquidluck (talk) 05:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Life on Another Planet
- ... that Life on Another Planet, a graphic novel by Will Eisner, has been called by James Morrow, “a kind of science fictional Bonfire of the Vanities"?
Created by Cyclopia (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- There are large sections with no inline citations, and at least one citation needed tag. Geraldk (talk) 21:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for your review! Of course more RS would be better. Actually, however, the few inline citations cover nonetheless practically all of the content of the article -how many references we need for the plot? As per the citation needed tag, I agree, even if I remark that, given the plot of both is documented, to declare that the premises are obviously similar is more matter for WP:COMMONSENSE than for WP:SYNTHESIS. If you anyway have detailed suggestions on how to improve the inline citation coverage, let me know. Thanks again. --Cyclopia - talk 21:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Also, I noticed that articles above show 4-5 references, on par with this one, but have been deemed OK. This is fine, but I would like to know more details on which criteria should I satisfy. --Cyclopia - talk 21:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Sure, and all fair questions. General practice is to look for a minimum of one reference per paragraph. In particular with an article like this, this is to make clear that the article is not original research. You may also want to read this. Geraldk (talk) 22:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Gravel Island National Wildlife Refuge
- ... that in 1913 Gravel Island National Wildlife Refuge became the twenty-ninth wildlife refuge in the U.S. and third in the Great Lakes region?
Created by Marcusmax (talk). Self nom at 18:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I linked wildlife refuge at the cost of an additional word.--Wetman (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Old St. Thomas Church
- ... that the Old St. Thomas Church, built in 1822–1824, is the burial site of a Canadian soldier who in 1862 fought and died in the Battle of Williamsburg (a famous American Civil War battle)?
Created by Ottawa4ever (talk). Self nom at 18:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... the Battle of Williamsburg in the American Civil War? Art LaPella (talk) 20:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I prefer Art's alternate wording. However, the references are nothing but bare URLs. Would you mind formatting them with the {{citeweb}} template? –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 21:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Art's hook sounds better to me as well. The references have been updated with the {{citeweb}} template. Please let me know if any more changes are necessary, thanksOttawa4ever (talk) 22:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing that. :) Everything looks good now, length, date, sources all check out fine. You did a good job with this article. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Kupala and Kostroma
- ... that the Slavic folk song "Kupala and Kostroma" was used in a Russian Snickers commercial?
Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 17:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I strongly recommend researching reliable sources before labeling any pop song Slavic (sic) folk. It might be folk but not as old as it seems. NVO (talk) 21:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Listening to youtube I would say it is a pop remix based on a folk song. Thus "Slavic folk song" should be replaced by something (e.g. "Russian song") but then the hook becomes too uninteresting for DYK. Materialscientist (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I saw the shortage of published sources, how about ALT:
- ... that the folk song "Kupala and Kostroma" was later renamed and the lyrics altered because of pagan references? Brand[t] 06:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Pagan has unclear meaning, and the article neither explains nor provide refs on why it was renamed. Actually, I don't see any reason why this article should be promoted at DYK - nothing appealing there, IMO. Materialscientist (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Read the last referenced sentence in the Background section. Brand[t] 14:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, my mistake, but. Reading the references brings a new picture - that the lyrics was lost and rewriten recently. There is also quite a story behind the renaming, association with a "heretic" folk celebration, etc. If all this is reflected in the article, it might become more interesting. Also, the ambiguity in the pagan article needs to be fixed by some comment. Materialscientist (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- This Russian source mentions an original lyrics coming from the 10th century. The song, even if not predated the Christianization of Kievan Rus', was about Slavic gods, that's why one can apply the words "pagan" or "polytheistic". But it's a matter of choice still...Brand[t] 19:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Let me clarify, if the article is enriched with the pertinent historical details, which came up in this thread and in the quoted references, it can be suitable for DYK. In the present form, it simply posts and explains the song lyrics, which would hardly be interesting to DYK readers. Materialscientist (talk) 05:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- This Russian source mentions an original lyrics coming from the 10th century. The song, even if not predated the Christianization of Kievan Rus', was about Slavic gods, that's why one can apply the words "pagan" or "polytheistic". But it's a matter of choice still...Brand[t] 19:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, my mistake, but. Reading the references brings a new picture - that the lyrics was lost and rewriten recently. There is also quite a story behind the renaming, association with a "heretic" folk celebration, etc. If all this is reflected in the article, it might become more interesting. Also, the ambiguity in the pagan article needs to be fixed by some comment. Materialscientist (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Read the last referenced sentence in the Background section. Brand[t] 14:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Pagan has unclear meaning, and the article neither explains nor provide refs on why it was renamed. Actually, I don't see any reason why this article should be promoted at DYK - nothing appealing there, IMO. Materialscientist (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
ClearCurve
- ... that Corning's ClearCurve optical cable is hundreds of times more flexible than conventional fibers, allowing it to be pulled through walls and around sharp corners in fiber to the home installations?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Could you help finding the references for the hook ("hundred times", etc, parts) ? Materialscientist (talk) 10:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Added, from the original Corning page. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Honestly, I like the article, but fear unjustified claims (specifically, the hook says "hundreds of times"). Ref. 5 is a self-citation by Corning, a page advertising their own product. Ref. 6 does not say hundreds and I have some reservation about its language ("just one tight turn around the bookcase and the signal is kaput". Questionable :-). A modest and well-referenced claim should pass. Materialscientist (talk) 06:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Liberty Colored High School
- ... that the Liberty Colored High School (pictured) in Liberty, South Carolina, built to replace a Rosenwald school for African-American students, is now the Rosenwood community center?
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 13:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Entoloma austroprunicolor
- ... that the mushroom Entoloma austroprunicolor of Tasmania's wet forests changes from bluish-purple, to reddish purple, to purplish grey as it ages?
Created by Casliber (talk), Sasata (talk). Self nom at 10:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Flag of Brisbane
- ... that the three caducei on the Flag of Brisbane represent Hermes' role as the protector of commerce, and not its more familiar meaning of being associated with medicine?
Created by User:Lankiveil (talk). Self nom at 04:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hermes' familiar role is associated with medicine? I'd rather think Apollo is associated with medicine, and Hermes is associated with messengers, thieves, and, yes, commerce. Ucucha 11:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I now see that the "familiar meaning" refers to the caducei, not to Hermes. In that case I would recommend changing "its" into "their":
- ALT1: ... that the three caducei on the Flag of Brisbane represent Hermes' role as the protector of commerce, and not their more familiar meaning of being associated with medicine?
- Ucucha 11:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, the ALT1 version seems clearer and probably better. Thanks! Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC).
- OK, I now see that the "familiar meaning" refers to the caducei, not to Hermes. In that case I would recommend changing "its" into "their":
- Hermes' familiar role is associated with medicine? I'd rather think Apollo is associated with medicine, and Hermes is associated with messengers, thieves, and, yes, commerce. Ucucha 11:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 10
Prirazlomnoye field, Hutton oilfield
- ... that Prirazlomnaya oil platform on the Prirazlomnoye field is equipped with the topsides of the former Hutton oilfield's platform Hutton TLP, which was the first Tension Leg Platform ever built?
Created by Beagel (talk), Andyminicooper (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Canella
- ... that the bark of the Caribbean tree Canella winterana (flowers and leaves pictured) can be used as a spice similar to cinnamon?
Created by Melchoir (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 05:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Continuity of Government Commission
- ... that the Continuity of Government Commission in 2003 recommended a constitutional amendment to ensure that vacancies in the U.S. House were filled quickly in the event of a massive attack?
Created by Richard75 (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Coleman v. Schwarzenegger
- ... that in the case Coleman v. Schwarzenegger a three-judge panel gave the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation two years to cut prison populations to 137.5% of capacity?
Created by Int21h (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 18:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Why Don't We Just Dance
- ... that Josh Turner was "elated to discover that he wouldn't have to do any acting" in the music video for his single "Why Don't We Just Dance"?
- Comment: This was created as a redirect by EnDaLeCoMpLeX back in August and did not become an article until 10/10. Quote from Country Weekly article: "Josh Turner was elated to discover that he wouldn't have to do any acting for his new video, "Why Don't We Just Dance[.]"
Created by CloversMallRat (talk). Nominated by TenPoundHammer (talk) at 15:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Van Buren Street Bridge
- ... that the Van Buren Street Bridge in Oregon is the last movable-span truss bridge constructed by the pin connection method located on the West Coast?
Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 07:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Saratoga Gas, Electric Light and Power Company Complex
- ... that one of the two extant buildings from the first electric power station in Saratoga Springs, New York, is one of the few remaining 19th-century gasholder houses (pictured) in the Northeast?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 07:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- For the hook, the portion of the lead where the hook is mentioned lacks in-line citations (as does the first paragraph of the first section of the body) and the fact is not mentioned again in the body that I can see. For the image, the copyright status is unclear from the picture's description, and unless that can be cleared up it should not appear on the main page. Geraldk (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I put a cite in the intro. As for the picture, I'm unsure of what you're referring to. The image page has very clear statements of its copyright status (all pictures taken for the HAER are PD) and a link to the source page. Daniel Case (talk) 14:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Good to go, and you're right with the image. Looked at the LoC tag but missed the mention that it was from HAER. Geraldk (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks! Daniel Case (talk) 16:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Good to go, and you're right with the image. Looked at the LoC tag but missed the mention that it was from HAER. Geraldk (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
John O'Donoghue expenses controversy
- ... that Ceann Comhairle and former government minister John O'Donoghue resigned after claiming expenses for limousines, horse racing and a £1 charity donation to UNICEF?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT:... that earlier this month, Irish politician John O'Donoghue resigned as Ceann Comhairle over various expense claims, including a £1 charity donation to UNICEF? --74.13.130.90 (talk) 04:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Or... how about just keeping as much of the original... so ... that Ceann Comhairle and former government minister John O'Donoghue resigned after claiming expenses for various things, including a £1 charity donation to UNICEF? Which is basically the same. But how is it negative if it is what he did, admitted to doing and resigned? Which part is negative? --candle•wicke 21:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Rupert N. Richardson
- ... that after he retired as president of Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene, Texas, the historian Rupert N. Richardson continued as a professor directing student theses?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that in 1924 the Texas historian Rupert N. Richardson became one of the founders of the West Texas Historical Association? (2 articles in same hook)
- ALT2... that the historian Rupert N. Richardson's textbook Texas: The Lone Star State, co-authored with Ernest Wallace, was introduced in 1943 and is now in its tenth edition?
- ALT3... that the historian Rupert N. Richardson traveled to Washington, D.C., in 1965 to testify for the establishment of the Guadalupe Mountains National Park in his native Texas?
West Texas Historical Association
- ... that the West Texas Historical Association was formed in Abilene in 1924 and anchored at Hardin-Simmons University but relocated to Texas Tech in Lubbock in 1998?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the historian of the American West J. Evetts Haley published Grass Fires of the Southern Plains in the 1929 Year Book of the West Texas Historical Association?
- ALT2:... that in 2004 the West Texas Historical Association Year Book published an award-winning student article on the Kent Hance–George W. Bush congressional race of 1978?
Rhett Titus
- ... that during a scripted rivalry, professional wrestler Rhett Titus had the face of female professional wrestler Daizee Haze airbrushed onto his ring gear?
5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 21:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Angadipuram Laterite
- ... that the Scottish surgeon Francis Buchanan-Hamilton coined the term laterite when he described Kerala's Angadipuram Laterite (pictured)?
- ALT1:... that Kerala's Angadipuram Laterite (pictured) formed from the weathering of many rock types, including charnockite, anorthosite and gabbro?
Created by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Mikenorton (talk) at 18:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Treaty of Grimnitz
- ... that the Treaty of Grimnitz allowed Brandenburgian prince-electors to touch Pomeranian flags?
Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 15:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Psilocybe argentipes
- ... that consuming the psychoactive mushroom species Psilocybe argentipes will make mice stop burying marbles?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 14:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that mice consuming the psychoactive mushroom species Psilocybe argentipes will stop burying marbles? Smartse (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- New article, length and hook verified, I'll let someone else decide which hook to use. Smartse (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 (suggested) ... that consumption of the psychoactive mushroom species Psilocybe argentipes by mice who compulsively bury marbles significantly inhibits this behaviour? Tiamuttalk 23:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Reason: source doesn't really say it "stops" them, but rather "significantly inhibits". Though I'm sure it could be let slide, just playing it safe. Otherwise, everything checks out. Tiamuttalk 23:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Alien Resident Certificate
A sample Alien Resident Certificate
- ... that since 2007 Alien Resident Certificates (example pictured) issued to foreign residents in Taiwan have included an integrated circuit containing personal information?
5x expanded by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 08:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Tony Chua
- ... that despite playing high school association football for the Letran Squires, Tony Chua managed the Barako Bull Energy Boosters at the Philippine Basketball Association?
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 9
Entoloma rodwayi
- ... that the mushroom Entoloma rodwayi (pictured), named after Tasmanian botanist Leonard Rodway, has a green stem with pink gills and pink spores?
Created by Sasata (talk) and exp. by Casliber (talk · contribs). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 04:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Gosh, you beat me to it. I was thinking a hook more along the lines of:
- ALT... that the yellow-green mushroom Entoloma rodwayi (pictured) of wet forests in Tasmania turns a vivid blue-green upon drying?
I also expanded it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Ready to go. Just over readable prose size at 1506. Short and sweet. :) Offline source accepted in good faith, and agree that Casliber's hook is a good one. Tiamuttalk 23:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Martha Wainwright discography
- ... that Martha Wainwright has contributed backing vocals on all of her brother's studio albums, and was a featured performer on his 2007 tribute album Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall?
Created by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Bayonetta
- ... that the title witch of upcoming action game Bayonetta has been compared to Sarah Palin for her similar appearance and glasses?
- ALT1:... that the title witch of upcoming action game Bayonetta can summon torture devices and giant objects made of her hair to attack enemies?
- ALT2:... that the title witch of upcoming action game Bayonetta can form giant boots with her hair to attack enemies, but loses some of her clothing in the process?
5x expanded by AnOddName (talk). Self nom at 17:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Should I save this for the Halloween thing, with the witchcraft and look-alike aspects and all? --an odd name 19:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- The last alt seems halloweenish Victuallers (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I really should say in the hook that she's a witch, something like "... that the title witch of upcoming action game Bayonetta can summon torture devices and giant objects made of her hair to attack enemies?" Someone proofread me here! (I indented your comment above so it's easier to find.) --an odd name 15:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
St Andrew's Church, West Tarring
- ... that when the Henty family of Tarring, West Sussex, emigrated to Australia, they took part of the medieval font from St Andrew's Church (pictured) and donated it to Melbourne Cathedral?
- ALT1:... that "church ales"—uproarious fundraising events where beer was sold and drunk in the church—were popular in the 16th century at St Andrew's Church, West Tarring (pictured)?
- ALT2:... that 19th-century smugglers in Worthing were known to store their contraband in table-tombs at St Andrew's Church, West Tarring (pictured)?
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 16:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
1988 United Kingdom postal workers strike
- ... that the September 1988 unemployment statistics for the United Kingdom were briefly over-recorded due to delays in the receipt of information because of the 1988 United Kingdom postal workers strike?
Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Self nom at 13:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Dianella caerulea, Dianella tasmanica
- ... that the genus name of the commonly grown Australian garden plants Dianella caerulea (pictured) and D. tasmanica is derived from the goddess Diana?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 10:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Dallata
- ... that Dallata was one of the villages that locals of Fir'im, Mughr al-Khayt and Qabba'a fled to in the first days of May 1948, when they were attacked during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War?
5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk) and Huldra (talk. Self nom at 10:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Disappearance of Aisling Symes
- ... that Asian women have been left traumatised and questioned by police investigating missing two-year-old Aisling Symes in New Zealand?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- "and" ??? do you mean "When" or "after" or ...
Leonie Pray House
- ... that Leonie Pray House (pictured) has hosted recitals by Liberace and Risë Stevens and served as the home of Patrick Swayze's character in "Donnie Darko"?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Traffic pumping
- ... that local exchange carriers in the rural USA have partnered with phone sex providers in traffic pumping schemes, thereby earning millions of dollars in telephone connection fees?
Created by Moxfyre (talk). Self nom at 05:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- *bump* Nobody has any comment or suggestion on this? I thought it was a rather fascinating scam/scheme when I heard about it... Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 17:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Are you aware of A2? Art LaPella (talk) 20:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Store Wars (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends)
- ... that the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends episode "Store Wars" was written by the series' co-developer, Lauren Faust (pictured)?
Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Proposed ALT1: ... that the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends episode "Store Wars" was released on DVD with an audio commentary in which the characters discuss events not seen in the episode? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hm...that one does sound better. I'd suggest going with the ALT1. The Flash {talk} 05:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- That one's 'much better. Series co-developer co-writes episode? Not like that's ever happened before. Daniel Case (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
List of 1928 Winter Olympics medal winners
- ... that Swedish figure skater Gillis Grafström, one of the 83 medal winners at the 1928 Winter Olympics, won the men's individual figure skating competition (pictured) even though he was skating on an injured knee?
Created by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 23:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- - Length, Date verified. However, there is no ref for the fact used in the hook on the article page - if you add a valid one, it will be ready to go. I did a google search, and I think Grafstrom might have actually broken his knee in the 1932 Winter Olympics - perhaps a different hook is required if this proves true? I.M.S. (talk) 02:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ref number 1, which references all of the information in the first half of that paragraph, under the 'more about' tab, with the headline 'Memorable Skating Champions', says, "In the men’s event, Sweden’s Gillis Grafström won his third consecutive gold medal, despite suffering from a badly swollen knee." Geraldk (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- - Length, Date verified. However, there is no ref for the fact used in the hook on the article page - if you add a valid one, it will be ready to go. I did a google search, and I think Grafstrom might have actually broken his knee in the 1932 Winter Olympics - perhaps a different hook is required if this proves true? I.M.S. (talk) 02:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Issue resolved - - Ref verifies the hook. Sorry about that - that particular sentence didn't have an inline citation, but the reference you used is from a reliable source (the official website for the Olympics), and it verifies the hook. Ready to go - I.M.S. (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Chayanne (1988 album)
- ... that Puerto Rican singer Chayanne received a Grammy Award nomination for his self-titled 1988 album?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 22:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 22:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Alfred Newman Gilbey, Cambridge University Catholic Chaplaincy
- ... that Alfred Newman Gilbey arranged that Fisher House, Cambridge (pictured) would be demolished, quite literally, over his dead body?
Created by OrangeDog (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Reference found in Alfred Newman Gilbey. Cambridge University Catholic Chaplaincy has been expanded 5x from the stub at Fisher House, Cambridge. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 17:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Gilberto Zaldívar
- ... that Gilberto Zaldívar's New York City-based Repertorio Español, called "a national treasure... unmatched by any other Spanish-language theater company", has staged over 250 productions in 40 years?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Bob Bootland
- ... that Bob Bootland, the first foreigner to coach a club side in Indian football, arrived in the country on holiday and never left?
Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that Englishman Bob Bootland, the first foreigner to coach a club side in Indian football, arrived in the country on holiday and never left? GiantSnowman 15:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Englishman Bob Bootland was the first foreigner to coach a football club in India?
- Combine the two?:
- ALT3... that Englishman Bob Bootland, who was the first foreigner to coach a football club in India, arrived in the country on holiday and never left? GiantSnowman 22:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 8
1937 Social Credit backbenchers' revolt
- ... that a rebellion of his own party's legislators nearly forced Premier of Alberta William Aberhart (pictured) from office in 1937?
Created by Steve Smith (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the 1937 Social Credit backbenchers' revolt resulted in the cabinet of Alberta relinquishing much of its authority on economic matters to a committee of backbenchers and two British technocrats?
- ALT2: ... that the 1937 Social Credit backbenchers' revolt was resolved by a government bill for which all members of government disavowed any responsibility?
Winehaven Winery
- ... that the Chisago grape used in the award wining Slippery Slope White Ice Wine is patented by the Winehaven Winery?
Created by Napaeozapus (talk). Nominated by Admrboltz (talk) at 21:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Le Vélo
- ... that Le Vélo's impassioned reporting of the Dreyfus affair led to the creation of the Tour de France?
Created by Autodidactyl (talk). Self nom at 12:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not comfortable with the information that's been elided in the hook. How about:
- ALT1:... that when L'Auto, a French sports newspaper, initiated the first Tour de France, the success of the race led to the demise of its rival publication, Le Vélo?
- ALT2:... that the demise of the French sports publication Le Vélo is attributed to the success of the Tour de France, a race launched in 1903 by its rival publication, L'Auto?
- Sorry, I just realised that all 3 hooks rely on a French Wikipedia article. Wikipedia cannot be used as a reliable source. See WP:CIRCULAR. Autodidactyl, is there another fact from the article that would be suitable for a hook? Maedin\talk 12:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- * Done. All stuff in french wiki was covered in the other ref docs, but I forgot to add inline refs. Thanks. Autodidactyl (talk) 18:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- * I don't think the hook elides too much, It's a hook, every word is true, I tried to shorten it to the minimum, very hooky. 'Dreyfus affair' was massive in France, and involves history, war, politics, heroism, and moral principles, in a single word (or two). Le Velo, L'Auto, Le Tour are just sport and circulation wars. I personally think the other hooks are too long winded or inconsequential, but in reality I am ambivalent which is used, as long as Le Vélo makes DYK. Please feel free to edit any of them. Regards Autodidactyl (talk) 18:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- * Nous sommes en d'accord. I don't think 'my hook' has ever been accepted. Too long, too obscure, too boring, too soft.... but it's the first time I have been accused of eliding (I had to look it up). Regards. Autodidactyl (talk) 20:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- PS. Maedin, thank you for taking the time to read Le Vélo so carefully. Autodidactyl (talk) 21:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Ayn Ghazal
- ... that the destruction of Ayn Ghazal by Israeli forces during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war was condemned by Count Bernadotte?
5x expanded by Tiamut (talk), Huldra (talk), Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC) **Note: the hook has been changed to take into account objections expressed below.Tiamuttalk 23:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Less than 4x expansion in last 5 days. Expand more please. Pmlineditor ∞ 17:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on it. I thought for sure it was more, but no matter, I'm sure there is more that can be added. Tiamuttalk 17:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- 418/4066 = 9.7 times expansion. Everything else looks good as well, offline sources accepted in good faith. All of you have done a very nice job with this article. Good work. :) –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 19:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment—the word "systematic" should be removed from the hook because it is unclear from this sentence in what context it is said. I also propose removing the potentially contentious phrase "Second Truce" because, again, it does not offer context (for example, that the Arabs violated the truce by shooting at Israeli traffic). Therefore:
- ... that the destruction of Ayn Ghazal by Israeli forces following Operation Shoter in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?
- Your alt doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. How about .."... that the destruction of Ayn Ghazal by Israeli forces during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war was condemned by Folke Bernadotte? –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- My apologies, I forgot the last part! How embarrassing. In any case, your hook is just fine, although I'd like to also have a link to Operation Shoter if possible:
- ... that the destruction of Ayn Ghazal by Israeli forces following Operation Shoter in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War was condemned by Folke Bernadotte?
- —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is fine with me. :) –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- The words "systematic" belongs to a quote from Bernadotte. We can agree with his acessment or not, but those are *his* words. I will be adding more refs shortly. Regards, Huldra (talk) 23:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Huldra: I know where the quote comes from. The question is, does the hook make it clear to the average reader? I'd say no. —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would have to agree with Ynhockey's concerns. Simply placing "systematic" in quotes does not make it clear to the average reader who said it. To the ill-informed, or passer-by reader, it might give the illusion that Wikipedia itself takes this stance and is trying to emphasis this point of view. --Nsaum75 (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)On third perusal of this article/the original hook, I'm afraid that I must agree with the concerns expressed by Ynhockey and Nsaum75. I can see how the average reader could extrapolate from the first hook that Wikipedia has the same stance as Bernadotte. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is: the article Operation Shoter is presently mostly based on not up-to-date- material (and, boy, am I being diplomatic here)..I have not come around to updating it...(Using Morris, 1987, when Morris, 2004, is available is almost unexcusable)...That article is certainly nothing you want linked from the front -page. (It *is*, however, linked in the article) Now, back to updating the article...Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- The 1987 info from Morris says actually very similar things to those he says in the 2004 book, so it doesn't really matter. In any case, I don't see a problem with the article Operation Shoter, which is based entirely on reliable secondary sources (with on primary, as noted in the refs section). —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- ???I do not have Morris, 1987, only Morris, 2004, but if what you say is true then some serious censoring has gone into Operation Shoter in its present form. To outsiders who are reading this: after 1987 more archives were opened up in Israel, revealing information which in many cases completely contradicted earlier versions of official Israeli history. This is why it is so important to use the latest books on the topic. Anyway, I am continuing adding info to Ayn Ghazal, and I will agree to just about any hook *except* one that mentions Operation Shoter...as that article in its present form is extremely "tilted", IMO. Regards, Huldra (talk) 01:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't have the 1987 book either, the info was added by the user Padres[sic] Hana. The 2004 book is almost wholly available on Google Books and I have taken some information from there. Feel free to add whatever information you feel is missing from the article, although I doubt you will find anything to add from Morris 2004. —Ynhockey (Talk) 01:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- ???I do not have Morris, 1987, only Morris, 2004, but if what you say is true then some serious censoring has gone into Operation Shoter in its present form. To outsiders who are reading this: after 1987 more archives were opened up in Israel, revealing information which in many cases completely contradicted earlier versions of official Israeli history. This is why it is so important to use the latest books on the topic. Anyway, I am continuing adding info to Ayn Ghazal, and I will agree to just about any hook *except* one that mentions Operation Shoter...as that article in its present form is extremely "tilted", IMO. Regards, Huldra (talk) 01:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- The 1987 info from Morris says actually very similar things to those he says in the 2004 book, so it doesn't really matter. In any case, I don't see a problem with the article Operation Shoter, which is based entirely on reliable secondary sources (with on primary, as noted in the refs section). —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is: the article Operation Shoter is presently mostly based on not up-to-date- material (and, boy, am I being diplomatic here)..I have not come around to updating it...(Using Morris, 1987, when Morris, 2004, is available is almost unexcusable)...That article is certainly nothing you want linked from the front -page. (It *is*, however, linked in the article) Now, back to updating the article...Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)On third perusal of this article/the original hook, I'm afraid that I must agree with the concerns expressed by Ynhockey and Nsaum75. I can see how the average reader could extrapolate from the first hook that Wikipedia has the same stance as Bernadotte. –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would have to agree with Ynhockey's concerns. Simply placing "systematic" in quotes does not make it clear to the average reader who said it. To the ill-informed, or passer-by reader, it might give the illusion that Wikipedia itself takes this stance and is trying to emphasis this point of view. --Nsaum75 (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Huldra: I know where the quote comes from. The question is, does the hook make it clear to the average reader? I'd say no. —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- The words "systematic" belongs to a quote from Bernadotte. We can agree with his acessment or not, but those are *his* words. I will be adding more refs shortly. Regards, Huldra (talk) 23:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is fine with me. :) –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Huldra has asked for at least an hour to be able to add more material to the article. Perhaps it will result in a solution for the wording here or an alternate hook. Waiting a bit before putting this up might help since there is no apparent agreement on the wording to use as of yet. Tiamuttalk 23:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, there's no rush. We'll settle on wording before this gets moved to the prep area. :) –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well I suggest simply not including "systematic" as first proposed, and removing Second Truce (since Ynhockey also objected to it). However since Huldra objects to Operation Shoter (as do I - its terribly POV), how about just simply:
... that the destruction of Ayn Ghazal by Israeli forces during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war was condemned by Folke Bernadotte? Tiamuttalk 09:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I´m fine with that hook....perhaps call him "Count Bernadotte", and not "Folke Bernadotte"...as he was mostly referred to as Count Bernadotte. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Its been 3 days now, and no one has objected to your suggested modification of my compromise version. So I changed the proposed text in the original DYK entry. If someone reads through all this, just post that hook it seems to have addressed all (articulated) objections. Tiamuttalk 23:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I´m fine with that hook....perhaps call him "Count Bernadotte", and not "Folke Bernadotte"...as he was mostly referred to as Count Bernadotte. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Saratoga Springs, New York)
- ... that the Saratoga Springs, New York, post office (pictured) had one of the most elaborate lobbies in the state when it was opened in 1910?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 19:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Temple De Hirsch Sinai
- ... that one of the architects of Seattle's Temple De Hirsch Sinai (pictured), B. Marcus Priteca, also designed all of Alexander Pantages' theaters between 1910 and 1929?
Created by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that for 14 years rabbi Raphael Levine of Seattle's Temple De Hirsch Sinai (pictured) co-hosted a television program with a Catholic priest and a Protestant minister?
- ALT2: ... that the basement of Seattle's Temple De Hirsch (pictured) was the site of Jimi Hendrix's first professional gig?
- I think ALT2 is by far the more interesting of the hooks on offer. The article as a whole is very good, okay for date and length, but specfically, the ref for ALT2 checks out fine. Maedin\talk 11:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree on choice of hook (which means we should use the old, B&W picture). I only found out that fact after I'd already posted the first two hooks, and was continuing my research. Turns out it was already mentioned in the Hendrix article, but without the name of the synagogue, which I've now added there & linked. - Jmabel | Talk 02:06, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
José Ruíz Matos
- ... that José Ruíz Matos was the World Boxing Organization's first super flyweight champion?
- Comment: :The article was expanded tenfold a few minutes ago. Ruíz is a rather obscure champion, which could add to the public's interest.
5x expanded by Caribbean H.Q. (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length (5x expansion) and date verified. However, I cannot find where the article says he was the World Boxing Organization's first super flyweight champion. I see where it is implied, but where does it say it out right? —mattisse (Talk) 20:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- It said that he fought Rojas for "the championship of the newly-created WBO"," that was probably kind of vague, so I reworded to make it very clear. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Berlin Lichtenberg (electoral district)
- ... that the creation of the German parliamentary electoral district of Berlin Lichtenberg in 2002 proved controversial?
Created by Valenciano (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Can we make this into something more tangible, please? I mean: any measure can "prove controversial" (and probably has), depending on who finds it objectionable and why. As such, the hook states very little. How about a "proved controversial because..." ("because it was perceived as advantageous to the Party of Democratic Socialism" perhaps?) Dahn (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for comment. In this case though it would be "disadvantageous" since creation of constituency resulted in PDS winning 2 seats out of 600 (instead of a likely 19 if the previous boundaries had remained in place). Valenciano (talk) 19:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed - I got lost in the acronyms :). So (having tweaked your original hook some more), may I suggest:
- ALT 1: ... that the creation of the German parliamentary electoral district of Berlin Lichtenberg proved controversial, being perceived as disadvantageous to the Party of Democratic Socialism? Dahn (talk) 20:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- No problem, acronyms are a necessary evil in this case :) No problem with your alt hook. Valenciano (talk) 22:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- I definitely prefer the ALT 1 hook. - Jmabel | Talk 06:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Santa Muerte
File:Santa-muerte-nlaredo2.JPG
- ... that there is a "Saint Death" (pictured) in Mexico?
5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's not technically and literally a saint, is it? Not designated as such by a church, and is in fact condemned. The hook should make it clear that we are dealing with folklore, not local Christian practice. Otherwise, it would be like saying that "there is a bishop who lives in the sea". Dahn (talk) 16:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes and no. Believers treat Santa Muerte like any other saint and that translation is used in the English languages sources. That fact that the name is in quotation marks should indicate that it should not be taken literally.Thelmadatter (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, but the "is" in the hook and its brevity give the wrong impression ("there is a 'bishop' who lives in the sea"). How about:
- ALT 1: ... that people in Mexico worship a "Saint Death" (pictured)? Dahn (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that a cult in Mexico worships a saint called "Santa Muerte" (literally "Saint Death"), who is condemned by the local Catholic Church? I.M.S. (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Could we avoid the tautology by turning "Catholic Church in Mexico" into "local Catholic Church" or smthg? Dahn (talk) 23:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that a cult in Mexico worships a saint called "Santa Muerte" (literally "Saint Death"), who is condemned by the local Catholic Church? I.M.S. (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Sure - I've changed my alternative. I.M.S. (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- The article appeared on DYK back when it was created in 2004. Since it was such a long time ago, this may warrant an exception, but "no double featuring" is a pretty hard and fast rule. Ask at WT:DYK for broader discussion if you want an exception. Shubinator (talk) 01:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Bummer, I put a lot of work into this. Stuck a message at WT:DYK as suggested in case someone would like to make an exception.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- The discussion is currently ongoing at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#DYK nom for Santa Muerte. Please don't remove this nom until we achive some consensus there. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Bummer, I put a lot of work into this. Stuck a message at WT:DYK as suggested in case someone would like to make an exception.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- The article appeared on DYK back when it was created in 2004. Since it was such a long time ago, this may warrant an exception, but "no double featuring" is a pretty hard and fast rule. Ask at WT:DYK for broader discussion if you want an exception. Shubinator (talk) 01:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- In case this goes forward, "worship" is absolutely the wrong term in theology for what Catholics do to saints - you want venerate. Johnbod (talk) 02:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Except this is neither an actual saint nor a part of Catholic practice, and Santa Muerte is apparently a deity. Dahn (talk) 02:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well I've queried that at the article talk page - the main sources describe him as an officially-disapproved-of quasi-saint within a Catholic context, not the deity of a separate religion. Johnbod (talk) 14:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Except this is neither an actual saint nor a part of Catholic practice, and Santa Muerte is apparently a deity. Dahn (talk) 02:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Fine and dandy with me. BTW, my original hook avoids the problems of the later suggestions. All it states is that "Saint Death" exists in Mexico. No offense intended to Dahn, but the verb is "there is" not "is" and "there is" means "exists" So I guess an alternate is ..."Saint Death" exists in Mexico? or even "Saint Death" exists in Mexico and the United States.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 7
Plata v. Schwarzenegger
- ... that in the 2009 case Plata v. Schwarzenegger, judges put the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation's medical facilities in receivership, citing the unnecessary deaths of 34 inmates?
Created by Int21h (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 14:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Obi Ezeh
- ... that Obi Ezeh scored a two-point conversion to give his high school a one point victory and send them to the Michigan High School Athletic Association state championship?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- (alt hook) ... that Michigan Wolverines football player Obi Ezeh was invited to try out for the United States national rugby union team?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- (alt hook 2) ... that Michigan Wolverines football linebacker Obi Ezeh has recorded 37 tackles in three American football games against Michigan State?--76.193.21.5 (talk) 14:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Ellis M. Zacharias
- ... that Rear Admiral Ellis M. Zacharias, who had been deputy chief of Navy intelligence in World War II, later narrated the NBC Cold War docudrama Behind Closed Doors, titled after one of his own books?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Pete Schneider (Louisiana politician)
- ... that as a state representative from St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana, Pete Schneider authored a law requiring child molesters to notify the community upon release from prison?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that former Louisiana State Representative Pete Schneider of suburban New Orleans sponsored bills to designate lottery proceeds to public schools and law enforcement?
- ALT2: ... that former Louisiana State Representative Pete Schneider was the first legislator in the United States to author a law that forbids investments in countries sponsoring terrorism?
- Length and date are good. I verified the citation for ALT2, which is by far the most interesting of the three (the others are not unusual, but a "first in the nation" is). I'd suggest a slight reword though; "obtain passage of" is awkward; how about "successfully sponsor" instead? Horologium (talk) 20:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- References for original hook and ALT1 are primary sources (the subject himself) and the ALT2 hook is not reflected in the article nor does the source say that the law "forbids" investmestments in such countries (and it's vague because it does not say who is forbidden to do so). I think the primary sources need to be exchanged and the ALT2 hook rewritten. Regards SoWhy 10:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Contact (animated short film)
- ... that The Godfather was not shown in the Soviet Union, but the theme music from that film was familiar to Soviet people thanks to the film Contact?
Created by Amire80 (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Great cartoon, good hook, but numerous problems with the article: (i) Short - 1425 bytes of prose whereas the minimum is 1500 (ii) Lack of references - ref. 1 covers the whole article, but that ref. has only a brief note on that cartoon. (iii) There is no ref for the hook - that the Godfather was not shown in USSR and that the music was well known in the USSR. All this can be fixed. Good luck. Materialscientist (talk) 10:56, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm positive the tune was a mainstay on Soviet TV well before 1977. National anthem at 6:00 and then this thing twenty times a day. NVO (talk) 15:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- If I recall correctly, in the mid-1970s Speak Softly Love was performed on several occasions by Muslim Magomayev, who was certainly much better known than that animated film. And our article Speak Softly Love (Love Theme from The Godfather) claims that Sofia Rotaru also used the tune around 1975. Colchicum (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
The Slaver Weapon
- ... that after Larry Niven's first attempt at writing a Star Trek: The Animated Series screenplay was rejected, Gene Roddenberry suggested he adapt one of his short stories which became "The Slaver Weapon"?
5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely happy with my own hook here. Anyone want to take a stab at it? There's also the (interesting?) addition that the rejected script was later turned into a Hugo award winning novella, which I'd like to work in but can't figure out how. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Iowa Highway 107
- ... that Iowa Highway 107 is a 2.44-mile (3.93 km) long highway consisting of two segments wholly within Meservey and Thornton, Iowa?
Created by Fredddie (talk). Self nom at 19:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Cuisine of Dorset
- ... that the majority of the traditional dishes of the cuisine of Dorset originated in the 17th and 18th centuries?
Created by MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- They length and date check, but there is a definite "unfinished" feel to the article; I removed an under construction tag because there have been no edits for five days. There are six sections with no text other than the headers. I'll AGF on the reference, which is from a book, but I don't think this is really ready. Horologium (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 6
The Heartland Series
- ... that The Heartland Series, produced by a Knoxville, Tennessee, TV station, has been called "the nation's longest-running sociological video repository"?
- Comment: Full disclosure requires me to say that the article was split off from WBIR-TV on 6 October, where I had started expanding it that same day. Roughly one-third of the pre-expansion text had to be removed because it lacks a citable source. I think the current version qualifies as a "new article." Created by Orlady (talk), Bms4880 (talk). Self nom (by Orlady) at 15:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that when WBIR-TV of Knoxville, Tennessee ended its documentary program The Heartland Series after a 25-year run, 10,000 people attended the taping of the last episode?
- Sorry, but as it was a split, needs to be expanded five times from split, even if some was removed. See also Wikipedia:Did you know/Fivefold. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Shucks. I hoped this one would get points for honesty (and I know that many derivative articles that use some of the same text as pre-existing articles do manage to sneak into DYK). Anyway, I've expanded the article somewhat. Additional expansion is possible, but I don't have time right now to try to take it all the way. Please leave this here for a couple more days to see if a sufficient expansion can happen. --Orlady (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Kordian
- ... that Kordian, a romantic drama by one of Poland's Three Bards, Juliusz Słowacki, is a polemic with Dziady, an earlier work by another of the Three Bards, Adam Mickiewicz?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Probably no need to call it a "notable" romantic drama. If it weren't notable, it wouldn't be on Wikipedia. Cbl62 (talk) 02:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed, adjusted hook. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
List of fish of Hawaii
- ... that 90 different species of fish have been identified in the waters around Hawaii?
Created by User:Drew R. Smith (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Proposed lists need 1,500+ characters of prose. The listed items themselves are not counted as part of the 1,500 DYK qualifying characters. This article has no prose at all. –Katerenka (talk) 21:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 5
Young America Stakes
- ... that Hall of Fame jockey Jorge Velásquez won the Young America Stakes four times; in 1978 with Spectacular Bid, in 1979 with Koluctoo Bay, in 1980 with Lord Avie and in 1987 aboard Firery [sic] Ensign?
Created by Handicapper (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I added a [sic] template. Reference. Art LaPella (talk) 23:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Reference verified. Length/date are on the gray side with the articles not topping the 1500 mark till Day 6/7 AgneCheese/Wine 01:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Tomb of Minamoto no Yoritomo
- ... that the Shinto shrine housing the kami of the 12th-century shogun Minamoto no Yoritomo in Kamakura, Japan, was a Buddhist temple before the Meiji era?
Created by Urashimataro (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Length is technically qualifying, however there seems to be quite a bit of extraneous stuff in the article that has nothing to do with the Tomb.What does the "The tombs of Ōe no Hiromoto, Shimazu Tadahisa and Mōri Suemitsu" section have to do with this Tomb? Ditto "The yagura of the Miura clan"? Some serious MoS issues with the parentheticals, out-of-article side notes, and use of "We". Needs some grammar fixes as well...it is really confusing as a whole. Further, it does not have the necessary inline citation for each paragraph. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I thought it was agreed, as for GAs, that an "inline citation for each paragraph" was not necessary? Johnbod (talk) 17:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- The fact should have an inline citation, and the article in general should use inline, cited sources. If we have stopped requiring at least one inline citation per paragraph (lede excluded), I am unaware of the discussion. –Katerenka (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- From discussion on the main DYK talk, this is still very much a requirement (also, for GAs, an inline per paragraph is the bare minimum). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Holochilus primigenus
- ... that although the teeth of the extinct rodent Holochilus primigenus are almost identical to those of Lund's Amphibious Rat, researchers feel that it is probably more closely related to marsh rats?
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- The hook is not clearly cited in the article, with the Lund's Amphibious Rat mentioned only in the lead without any follow up citation in the article that I can discern. Also, article does not really clearly identify/answer the question of - is this a living or an extinct species. I get the idea it is the latter, but only from really extrapolating and rereading some bits a few times. A little more "plain English" clarity would be good. :-) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments. Lund's Amphibious Rat = Lundomys, as indicated in the lead. I now included in clear terms that it is extinct. The part of the hook saying that it is more closely related to H. than to L. is in the "Taxonomy" section (ref. 4) and the part saying that it's virtually identical to Lundomys in the teeth is in the "Description" section (ref. 2). Ucucha 02:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Offline resources accepted on good faith. Reworded slightly to make clearer it isn't the editor's conclusion but the sources :-) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking.
- Is the rewording needed? I'm going with what the reliable source says, which is that it's probably closer to H., so I don't see why that should be emphasized even further. Also, "researchers" is technically incorrect, as there was only one (Steppan) who wrote the paper saying that. Ucucha 04:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Offline resources accepted on good faith. Reworded slightly to make clearer it isn't the editor's conclusion but the sources :-) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Marietta LeBreton
- ... that professor Marietta LeBreton wrote the centennial history of her institution, Northwestern State University in Natchitoches, Louisiana?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article length and hook are fine, as is the citation, however I'm concerned that the subject does not appear to be notable per WP:BIO, WP:CREATIVE, nor WP:GNG? Any coverage beyond her obituaries? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Battle of Ostrach
- ... that 300 civilians living in Ostrach survived in their cellars while 77,000 Austrians and French battled in the village during the Battle of Ostrach March 1799?
- Alt:... that 300 residents of the village of Ostrach survived the Battle of Ostrach (March 1799) by hiding in their cellars?
Created by Auntieruth55 (talk). Self nom at 24:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC) 5X expanded 10-5-09
- that in the Battle of Ostrach "the 300" were hiding in their cellars? (tongue in cheek)Victuallers (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- and counted themselves lucky not to get killed. Good one. Actually, it is amazing that none of the villagers were killed...village casualties were a young horse and two oxen, plus the entire village, of course...but none of the people themselves. So on Easter Sunday the villagers spent the day picking up bodies of the dead and burying them. which leads me to
- ALT1: ... on Easter Sunday, 1799, the 300 villagers of Ostrach spent the day cleaning up the battlefield of 4000 or so dead Austrian and French soldiers?Auntieruth55 (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2::: ... that though the Battle of Ostrach destroyed that village and killed 4000 soldiers, the only village casualties were three animals?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- The part about 300 civilians surviving as all right with offline refs AGF. However, I didn't see the three animals mentioned in the article. Also, the total strength of the two armies add up to 70,000 if the numbers in the infobox are correct. Where did the additional 7000 come from? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 4
Leland G. Mims
- ... that Leland G. Mims, a parish government official from Minden, Louisiana, twice headed his state's Police Jury Association?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I wonder as to the notability of this guy. He's an elected local official who goes on to head the statewide organization for such local officials, and doesn't do anything particularly noteworthy there. I'm going to put a notability tag on this and give the author some chance for improvement before I nom it at AfD.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 3
Colonies of Poland
- ... that although Poland never seriously pursued any attempts to acquire colonial territories, colonialism was advocated by certain Polish individuals and organizations?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 20:51, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- I noticed a few paragraphs were unreferenced, so please add refs there. And I added a {{who}} tag to the article concerning the term "certain individuals". Please specify or re-word the instance in both the hook and article.--Giants27(c|s) 17:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ... that Poland studied creating a Polish colony in Madagascar as a place to deport its Jewish population?
- Citation can be found in: Uneasy Asylum: France and the Jewish Refugee Crisis, 1933-1942 Pg 148-149
- This hook may be somewhat controversial, I think the original one is better. Or how about something with Maritime and Colonial League, I just recently fixed the citations in that article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2 ... that Courland which was a State of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth set up a number of Polish colonies in West Africa and the Caribbean? -- Esemono (talk) 00:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- That's a really dodgy suggestion. Courland was not in any meaningful way Polish beyond being a nominal part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The original suggestion and ALT 2 are better. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 06:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 3 ... that prior to the adoption of the Madagascar Plan by Nazi Germany, in the mid-1930s Poland studied creating a Polish colony in Madagascar as a place to deport its Jewish population? --Russavia Dialogue 06:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 2
Donggwoldo
- ... that the Painting of the Eastern Palace, a Korean painting, is named as such because the subjects, two royal palaces, are located on the east of Gyeongbokgung palace?
Created by Caspian blue (talk). Self nom at 23:24, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- Add <ref name> along with English sources.--Caspian blue 20:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- <ref name> have been added, first paragraph now has citations and naming issues have been cleared up. The source for the hook is in this google book link Pg 132-- Esemono (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Add <ref name> along with English sources.--Caspian blue 20:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 1
Gregory L. Fruge
- ... that Eunice businessman and former Louisiana State Representative Gregory L. Fruge is a devotee of French Cajun music?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article and hook length good, however what makes "Encyclopedia Lousiana" a reliable source? It appears to be a personal, self-published site by a single man. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 30
Holding Institute
- ... that the Holding Institute, a community center in Laredo, Texas, was formerly a boarding school destroyed in 1954 by Rio Grande floods, relocated, and thereafter closed for financial reasons?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Additional info added on the community center today.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Hook has been revised.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's better now, and this hook meets dyk requirements. For the article, though, it makes sense to include more about what the Holding Institute does now. There's lots of history, but very little about current services. Geraldk (talk) 16:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Ponce City Hall
- ... that three U.S. Presidents gave speeches from the balcony of the Casa Alcaldia de Ponce (pictured), a former jail and execution site?
5x expanded by Plain87dice (talk). Nominated by Doncram (talk) at 02:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Suggest mentioning Puerto Rico in the hook. --74.13.127.98 (talk) 06:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is getting old, lowering my own belief that it was a good hook. Any change is okay by me. If you want to go with either of the following that adds "Puerto Rico", say, or any other rewording, that is fine by me:
- "... that three U.S. Presidents gave speeches from the balcony of the Casa Alcaldia de Ponce (pictured), in Puerto Rico?"
- "... that four U.S. Presidents visited the Ponce City Hall (pictured), a former jail and execution site, in Puerto Rico?" (Note it was 4 visited, vs. 3 who made speeches. This is maybe the most understandable, using City Hall rather than Spanish word Alcaldia. I am no longer excited about any reader interest with that though, but maybe that is all that can be done. Thanks. doncram (talk) 21:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 3 "... that the Casa Alcaldia de Ponce (pictured) has been used as a jail, for executions, and as the site of speeches from three Presidents of the United States?" -- reversing the order makes the three alternate uses a bit more "hooky" and mysterious while flowing a little bit better. Alansohn (talk) 22:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Georgia Marble Company
- ... that the Georgia Marble Company supplied the marble that was used to build New York Stock Exchange and the Lincoln Memorial?
Created by SparksBoy (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- OK, several issues. First, it sounds like marble which that company mined was used in the construction of those buildings, but not that the company actually built them. Second, those sentences are not explicitly referenced in the text. Third, your first reference talks about the Georgia Marble Company, not the Georgia Mining Company. These do not appear to be the same entities. In fact, given that your article seems to be about the former, not the latter, I've moved it to Georgia Marble Company. -Kieran (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok I have fixed all of it up.. If there are any other problems let me know. SparksBoy (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmm - the reference you use only talks about the stock exchange annex. Also, there's a better list of uses here, which mentions that only the statue of Lincoln at the memorial was Georgia Marble. I would try the following (but reference the dozens of others to the link I've provided):
- Alt1: ... that the Georgia Marble Company supplied the marble used to build the New York Stock Exchange annex and the statue of Lincoln at the Lincoln Memorial, among dozens of other major architectural and memorial projects? -Kieran (talk) 09:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok I like that one, I will work on the article a bit more today. SparksBoy (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Alt2: ... that the Georgia Marble Company supplied the marble used to build the New York Stock Exchange annex, the statue of Lincoln at the Lincoln Memorial, and other major architectural and memorial projects? (to get rid of the loaded term "dozens" in there as that doesn't reflect the source) MuZemike 22:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
List of St. Louis Cardinals managers
- ... that 12 former managers of the St. Louis Cardinals have been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Created by Gary King (talk). Expanded and nominated by LAAFan (talk) on 30 September 2009
- 1230 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 01:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Note that the modern era totals appear to be incorrect having been cloned from the pre-modern section of the table. Alansohn (talk) 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 29
Go!Express
- ... that Go!, a regional airline operating in Hawaii, operates its own regional airline brand Go!Express?
Created by Admrboltz (talk). Self nom at 16:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- Where? What country? --74.13.127.98 (talk) 06:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hook seems to read that a regional airline operates its own regional airline brand. Wouldn't that be the case of most regional airlines. Perhaps addressing that as a subsidiary of phoenix based Mesa airlines, it operates its own regional airline brand in hawaii? Article may need to be tweaked thru to address this. Kindly ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 05:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- After researching that most regional carriers usually only use certificated airline carriers, such as U.S. Airways, these does sound notible. Would it be possible to address the fact that GO!Express operates independently of any certified commerical carriers in the hook. I believe this would make the hook more interesting to readers that don't already understand this fact. maybe:
... that Go!, a regional airline operating in Hawaii, operates its own regional airline brand Go!Express independent of larger commercial airline carriers? ♠ B.s.n. ♥R.N.contribs 06:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Thomas Watson (surveyor)
- ... that the first town plans for Bunbury (pictured) in Western Australia, by surveyor Thomas Watson were discarded?
Created by Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 05:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- too short - only about 1100 chars. Victuallers (talk) 14:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- Tricky article - at present I find it difficult to see his notability. His claim is "surveyor" but the hook is - not a very successful one. Can we find an extra 500 chars that do show his notability? Victuallers (talk) 10:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- as noted, article is too short, and seems of very questionable notability. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 21:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sold on notability either, I'm sorry. –Katerenka (talk) 06:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 28
Carbon Market
- ... that the Carbon Market (pictured) is the oldest and largest farmer's market in Cebu City, the Philippines, and is a major tourist attraction in that city of over 2 million people?
Created by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wouldn't this make a good April fools? ... something like although famous person now offsets their carbon when flying to famous place, the Carbon market has been operating for 100s of years? Victuallers (talk) 09:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Technically good to go. I agree with Victuallers that it should be possible to find a more snatchy hook (and not just for April 1st). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1:
- ... that the largest and oldest farmer's market in Cebu City, the Carbon Market (pictured), is wheelchair accessible? --ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)Baybayin 16:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2:
- ... that the Carbon Market (pictured) was once used as a dump in the 19th century before it became the largest and oldest farmer's market in Cebu City? --ᜊᜓᜅ ᜅ᜔ ᜑᜎᜋᜅ᜔ ᜋᜑᜒᜏᜄ (ᜂᜐᜉ)Baybayin 16:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, those are much better, and I like both, so you folks choose which of the three you like. Bearian (talk) 18:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure the refs for the ALT hooks are reliable. hamiltonstone (talk) 05:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- I am removing 23prootie (talk · contribs) & 8frÜitz (talk · contribs) from the {DYKmake} template. 23prootie is a blocked user with zero edits in the article's history, and added him/herself to the template in this edit. 8frÜitz has only 2 edits, and added him/herself to the template in this edit. Are these two users the same person? --PFHLai (talk) 12:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Ordnance Survey International
- ... that from 1946 to 1999, Ordnance Survey International provided a central survey and mapping organisation for British colonies and protectorates?
Created by Arb (talk). Self nom at 13:28, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- Article length confirmed, however hook (and notation in article) match the source nearly word from word. Needs rewording on both ends. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ... that Ordnance Survey International used to provide a central mapping organisation for British colonies and protectorates?
- Reading the sources for the article, I learned that the organisation formed after World War II to develop air-photo-based maps of the colonies and protectorates (which by then were no longer the British Empire). That focus was not discernible from the article. --Orlady (talk) 14:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 27
Complejo Forestal y Maderero Panguipulli
- ... that the Chilean forestry company Complejo Forestal y Maderero Panguipulli faced problems such as guerrilla activity and military intervention in the 1980s?
Created by Dentren (talk). Self nom at 09:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Pinkie C. Wilkerson
- ... that the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson was killed in a six-vehicle accident two weeks before she was to be a delegate to the 2000 Democratic National Convention?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- politicalgraveyard.com does not meet WP:RS. I'd imagine the event was covered in local or regional news, at the least. Recommend replacing with another source. Also, much of the content from source #3, used for two of the alts below and the bulk of the "House service" section, is almost directly word for word, which appears to violate WP:COPYVIO. Could find nothing on the site indicating Louisiana state documents are considered public domain. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- Why wouldn't a 9-year-old press release from the state be considered public domain?Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Nine years is not nearly long enough for a work to enter into the public domain, nor does being a state document. Only federal government works are generally automatically public domain, while state writings are generally copyrighted by the state. Unless the state explicitly declares its works public domain, they are considered copyrighted. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- OR ALT1... that an annual award honoring "outstanding state legislators" presented by the National Bar Association is named for the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson?
- OR ALT2 ... the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson sponsored awareness programs to prevent diabetes, cancer, lupus, and cardiovascular disease?
- OR ALT3 ... the Louisiana State Representative Pinkie C. Wilkerson succeeded in 1993 in establishing a statewide hot line to reach compulsive gamblers?
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Articles potentially for use on October 16
Dublin to Gaza
- ... that a benefit concert taking place in Dublin tonight will be broadcast live to an audience in Gaza City?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- "tonight"? Pls indicate that it's local time or it would be confusing for people in other time zones. --74.13.130.90 (talk) 11:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles potentially for use on October 18
Adele (1906)
- ... that the yacht Adele served with the Royal Australian Navy as HMAS Franklin (pictured) in the First World War and HMAS Adele in the Second World War?
- Comment: New article created by User:Whodidwhat on 5 Oct, 5x expanded by User:Mjroots on 10 Oct.
Created by Whodidwhat (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 14:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Good work rescuing this article on a historical shipwreck. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles potentially for use on October 19
Balipratipada
- ... that according to Hindu mythology, Bali-pratipada (celebrated today) commemorates the victory of the god Vishnu in his dwarf incarnation Vamana (pictured), defeating demon king Bali, and pushing him to the nether world?
Created by Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 07:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles for Oct 31 - Halloween ... See special page below
The special nominations page for Halloween 2009 is at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Halloween_2009 and has more than 10 entries so far.
Maha Sohona
- ... that the demon Maha Sohona, whose head has been replaced with that of a bear, haunts graveyards and feasts on human flesh?
Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes. good, but ... Obviously some refs are off line, but does the article say it eats humans? Victuallers (talk) 18:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Mashed pumpkin
- ... that "pumpkin sauce," or mashed pumpkin, was served at inns in New England as early as 1704?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 21:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well researched Tim. Can we find a pic? Maybe you need to trick some "trick or treaters" out of their pumpkin and boil it up! Victuallers (talk) 18:33, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Reportedly haunted locations in Washington, D.C.
- ... that so many witnesses saw the spectre of Stephen Decatur appear at a window at Decatur House, one of the haunted locations in Washington, D.C., that the window was walled up?
Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well researched and so LARGE! Tim. lots of pics. Thx ... Oh and I think for Oct 31 we could take off "reportedly" from the hook..... for one day we can pretend ... as long as we keep it on the article Victuallers (talk) 19:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I just love big articles, spewing cites everywhere. I'm fine with taking out the "reportedly." I looked around at other paranormal sites, and they require that in the text and sometimes the article title. But if DYK is fine taking it out for Halloween, I'm easy! Really easy! - Tim1965 (talk) 23:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
See also
- User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).