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::*Or perhaps "... that [[Guinea]] was the only French colony to reject the [[Constitution of France|1958 constititution]] in a '''[[Guinean constitutional referendum, 1958|referendum]]''', thereby opting for independence?" [[User:Number 57|<font color="orange">Number</font>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<font color="green">5</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<font color="blue">7</font>]] 15:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC) |
::*Or perhaps "... that [[Guinea]] was the only French colony to reject the [[Constitution of France|1958 constititution]] in a '''[[Guinean constitutional referendum, 1958|referendum]]''', thereby opting for independence?" [[User:Number 57|<font color="orange">Number</font>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<font color="green">5</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<font color="blue">7</font>]] 15:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Creation date, length, hook, and citation verified. Might be a good idea to add citations to the table but I'm not sure what the's the standard for inlining citations in tables. --[[User:Ike-bana|生け]][[User_talk:Ike-bana|花]] 01:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Articles created/expanded on November 18
Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III), Heraclius (son of Constans II), Tiberius (son of Constans II)
- ... that Constantine IV's attempt to demote his brothers and Byzantine co-emperors Heraclius and Tiberius prompted a revolt from military officers who believed that, as Heaven was ruled by the Trinity, the empire should also be governed by three emperors?
Created by Oatley2112 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 00:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- How about ALT1: ... that Constantine IV's attempt to demote Byzantine co-emperors Heraclius and Tiberius prompted a revolt from military officers, who believed that the empire should be governed by three emperors? - PM800 (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, PM800. But right now, I'd like to nominate Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III) and make a triple-DYK hook. Let me think.... :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- (triple hook #1)... that Heraclius, a Byzantine general executed in 705, was the brother of deposed emperor Tiberius III, whereas Heraclius, mutilated in 681, was himself a co-emperor dethroned along with his brother Tiberius?
- (triple hook #2)... that when Tiberius was dethroned in 681, he and his brother and Byzantine co-emperor Heraclius were mutilated, but after Tiberius III was deposed in 705, he and his brother Heraclius were executed?
Created by Cplakidas (talk) & Oatley2112 (talk). --PFHLai (talk) 03:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- The original hook is far more interesting imo. The triple hooks are just confusing. How about: ALT2-3: ... that a belief that the Empire should, like Heaven, have three co-rulers, led to a revolt when Constantine IV attempted to demote his brothers Heraclius and Tiberius? Johnbod (talk) 14:46, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Agree that the original hook is better and more interesting. There is also really no basis for a comparison between the cases of Tiberius and Heraclius the co-emperors and TIberius III and his brother, as the latter had actually usurped the throne. Constantine ✍ 14:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- I agree the original hook was best too. However I'm not all that keen on the fact that two new articles have been created - one about each brother - with almost identical text; it seems unnecessary duplication. If all the pertinent facts about them are applicable to both, then I would have thought that a single merged article was to be preferred (per WP:Merging). For that reason I have put merge templates on each page, and opened discussion at Talk:Heraclius (son of Constans II)#Merge discussion. DavidWard talk 21:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I find it quite interesting that two unrelated pairs of brothers with the same two names had eerily similar fates a generation apart, except that the violence has escalated over time. But if no one else finds this interesting, never mind. How about this (based on John's):
- ALT3: ... that a belief that the Byzantine Empire should, as in Heaven, have three co-rulers, led to a revolt when Constantine IV attempted to demote his brothers and co-emperors Heraclius and Tiberius?
- I don't mind the merge. Just please don't do this merging while the pages are linked from MainPage. It's better to merge them before they go on DYK-Q or after they go off MainPage. Thanks. I'll try to come up with a new hook for the other Heraclius. --PFHLai (talk) 14:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC) I am unable to come up with any interesting hook material for the other Heraclius to have a single hook, so I hope someone else besides me find my triple-hook interesting. Otherwise, please ignore this other Heraclius and use the double-hook. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 13:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- If you use a hook about Political mutilation you should link it to: Political mutilation in Byzantine culture -- Esemono (talk) 04:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Here's a stand-alone hook for the other Heraclius:
- ALT4: ... that after Tiberius III had usurped the Byzantine throne and hoped to gain legitimacy for his regime by securing a military victory, he sent his brother Heraclius to fight the Umayyad Caliphate?
- --PFHLai (talk) 04:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 19
Death panels (political term)
- ... outrageous, nuts, startling, make believe, a lie, and politics were words used to describe what Sarah Palin (pictured) found, after she called it like she saw it, and saw death panels?
Created by Jesanj (talk). Self nom at 04:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but the hook makes no sense to me. Further (i) regular DYK hooks should not be misleading, as some news titles, (ii) Palin was surely called by many dozens of terms and words. It is unclear why should they be repeated in this hook (personal opinion of unclear notability). Materialscientist (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure as to what exactly you find misleading. Perhaps it was that she "saw" as in physically. That is a figure of speech she used in a October 2010 Newsmax interview. I was trying to make it interesting and weird so people would click on it. By the way, these descriptors are for death panels, not Palin herself. Must the notability of the descriptors be defined in the hook, although they are already established in the article? Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Blatantly POV hook. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 06:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- I thought POV occurs when we aren't reflecting what reliable sources say. Outrageous: American Dialect Society; Nuts: Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA); Startling: David Casarett, MD, MA, prof of medicine at UPenn & Medical Director at a VA Hospital; [M]ake believe: bioethicist George Annas from an Oxford University Press published book; Lie: PolitiFact.com; Politics: Atul Gawande, MD, author, Harvard professor, surgeon, journalist. It seems neutral to me to use this terminology. Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Chiming in because I saw this one, yeah that hook won't fly, but it could be: ... that Sarah Palin coined the term death panels in 2009 regarding Health care reform in the United States?--Milowent • talkblp-r 13:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- I should note there seems to have been a debate in the past whether this article should exist. see Talk:Death panel.--Milowent • talkblp-r 14:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed those discussions after I wrote the page. It appears that was before publications/papers that discuss the term and its problems/repercussions etc., were being cited (as some hadn't been published) such as:
- Brendan Nyhan (2010). "Why the "Death Panel" Myth Wouldn't Die: Misinformation in the Health Care Reform Debate" (PDF). The Forum. 8 (1). Berkeley Electronic Press. doi:10.2202/1540-8884.1354.
- Kettl P (2010). "One Vote for Death Panels". JAMA. 303 (13): 1234–5. doi:10.1001/jama.2010.376. PMID 20371773.
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ignored (help) Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)- The previous existence of the article "Death panel" (here) might be a factor in determining whether it belongs at DYK. However, that article content is long gone, it seems to have focused on the concept of death panels while the new article focuses on the term, and the new article is about 4x longer. --Orlady (talk) 21:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Originally I had something more like this in mind before I started appying the descriptors to the term: (ALT2) ... that Sarah Palin (pictured) called it like she saw it, and coined the term death panels, earning her the "Lie of the Year" for 2009 from PolitiFact.com? Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Here's a possible ALT hook derived from the lead of the article. It focuses on the term, not the person:
- ALT2 ... that the term "death panels," which Sarah Palin (pictured) coined on her Facebook page, was named "Lie of the Year" by PolitiFact.com and the "Most Outrageous" word of 2009 by the American Dialect Society? --Orlady (talk) 21:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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- I, personally, believe the subject is too political-POVish for Wikipedia, but I can't fault the hook, and I won't buck the flow if everybody else thinks its OK. :) - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 18:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Here's a possible ALT hook derived from the lead of the article. It focuses on the term, not the person:
- I do have some concerns about this one, however I don't have time to outline them now, I will have to return to this tomorrow. However I will say that one of my concerns is that the article appears to be taking a position on the topic instead of just quoting reliable sources. Gatoclass (talk) 17:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- WP:NOTCENSORED. Put it back. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have to agree with Gatoclass here. The article does have a bit of a slant to it. Once that's resolved there shouldn't be any problem promoting it again. (And WP:NOTCENSORED doesn't apply here. DYK may not be FA, but we do have some discretion here what gets promoted and when.) 28bytes (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hello. I am looking forward to hearing suggestions and making improvements. I suppose the abstract of this review published in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine sums up the POV I think is reflected in the article—that "the existence of 'death panels', can easily be dismissed". (Desai M, Rachet B, Coleman MP, McKee M (2010). "Two countries divided by a common language: health systems in the UK and USA". J R Soc Med. 103 (7): 283–7. doi:10.1258/jrsm.2010.100126. PMID 20595532.
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ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)) I think this POV is probably reflected in the article because it reflects mainstream scholarship and professional opinion on the issue. Thus my multiple citations from Health Affairs publications. Also, do a quick google search on what Uwe Reinhardt or Gail Wilensky have said on this issue. They are mainstream experts on health care reform. I think their opinions should be added but I have yet to get there. Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 04:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)- I'll wait for Gatoclass to chime in with his specific concerns before getting too in-depth here, but I'll just note that using the words "myth" and "lie" in the headers is one symptom of the article's POV problem, IMO. Additional reliable sources are welcome, of course, but I think the primary concern is that the article appears to "endorse" the existing sources. It will take a little work to fix that, but I think it's quite doable. 28bytes (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hello. I am looking forward to hearing suggestions and making improvements. I suppose the abstract of this review published in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine sums up the POV I think is reflected in the article—that "the existence of 'death panels', can easily be dismissed". (Desai M, Rachet B, Coleman MP, McKee M (2010). "Two countries divided by a common language: health systems in the UK and USA". J R Soc Med. 103 (7): 283–7. doi:10.1258/jrsm.2010.100126. PMID 20595532.
- Sorry, I have to agree with Gatoclass here. The article does have a bit of a slant to it. Once that's resolved there shouldn't be any problem promoting it again. (And WP:NOTCENSORED doesn't apply here. DYK may not be FA, but we do have some discretion here what gets promoted and when.) 28bytes (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- WP:NOTCENSORED. Put it back. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- I do have some concerns about this one, however I don't have time to outline them now, I will have to return to this tomorrow. However I will say that one of my concerns is that the article appears to be taking a position on the topic instead of just quoting reliable sources. Gatoclass (talk) 17:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- The more I look at the article, the more it looks to me to be irredeemable. It presents the information from a particular perspective instead of taking a neutral stance and simply presenting what various sources have said and allowing the reader to make up his own mind. I'm happy to see what 28bytes can come up with, but I have my doubts the article is fixable with just a tweak here and there. Gatoclass (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not going to say that the article isn't POV (it is, and it has too many quotes), but if the claim is/was verifiably a myth, I don't see a problem with that being reflected in the article. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- If I came to this article knowing nothing about the topic, I would not leave it enlightened as to how the term is "verifiably a myth". I just see competing claims, albeit presented in a one-sided manner. Apart from which, NPOV requires that information is presented neutrally, we are not supposed to be taking sides. I think that's especially important when it comes to major political debates. I don't want to be giving conservatives more ammunition to be attacking Wikipedia as a supposedly biased "liberal" enclave, I think we have to try and be scrupulously neutral when it comes to a debate like this. Gatoclass (talk) 05:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK, I've redone the lead section. I'm going to tackle the rest of it tomorrow. Suggestions/comments/improvements are welcome, although those should probably be made at Talk:Death panels (political term) rather than here. Incidentally, is there any reason why the article is not at Death Panels? It probably ought to be moved there, and the history merged. 28bytes (talk) 07:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't understand why this edit is neutral because both[1][2](p. 8) sources use the word false. Jesanj (talk) 14:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above, the article appears to strongly "endorse" the views of the sources rather than simply present them. I wouldn't worry overmuch about that specific diff, since that whole paragraph is going to get redone. There are just way too many cases of the article saying something is "false", "a myth", "a lie", etc., which makes Wikipedia appear to take sides rather than be an disinterested observer. I'm going to attempt to fix that later today. 28bytes (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Looks like the author has decided to undo the changes Gatoclass and I made. I left a note suggesting they work with an experienced editor of political articles to resolve the POV issues, but at this point I'm going to step away from the article. IMO, it's still got serious problems but since I did do some editing on it I will leave the decision to approve, decline or wait for improvements to another reviewer. 28bytes (talk) 14:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yes I did undo some changes but I thought they were productive. Please allow me to explain, I fixed a factual error. And restored words removed that were stated in the sources (mentioned above). I also restored a description that I thought was worth mentioning, but this time it was attributed, instead of being cited as fact. Experienced editors are welcome along with talk page comments! Help is appreciated I would like to get this cleared again. Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 15:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Looks like the author has decided to undo the changes Gatoclass and I made. I left a note suggesting they work with an experienced editor of political articles to resolve the POV issues, but at this point I'm going to step away from the article. IMO, it's still got serious problems but since I did do some editing on it I will leave the decision to approve, decline or wait for improvements to another reviewer. 28bytes (talk) 14:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above, the article appears to strongly "endorse" the views of the sources rather than simply present them. I wouldn't worry overmuch about that specific diff, since that whole paragraph is going to get redone. There are just way too many cases of the article saying something is "false", "a myth", "a lie", etc., which makes Wikipedia appear to take sides rather than be an disinterested observer. I'm going to attempt to fix that later today. 28bytes (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't understand why this edit is neutral because both[1][2](p. 8) sources use the word false. Jesanj (talk) 14:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK, I've redone the lead section. I'm going to tackle the rest of it tomorrow. Suggestions/comments/improvements are welcome, although those should probably be made at Talk:Death panels (political term) rather than here. Incidentally, is there any reason why the article is not at Death Panels? It probably ought to be moved there, and the history merged. 28bytes (talk) 07:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not going to say that the article isn't POV (it is, and it has too many quotes), but if the claim is/was verifiably a myth, I don't see a problem with that being reflected in the article. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- The more I look at the article, the more it looks to me to be irredeemable. It presents the information from a particular perspective instead of taking a neutral stance and simply presenting what various sources have said and allowing the reader to make up his own mind. I'm happy to see what 28bytes can come up with, but I have my doubts the article is fixable with just a tweak here and there. Gatoclass (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 20
2010–11 Atlantic 10 Conference men's basketball season
- ... that Richmond's Kevin Anderson was named the preseason Player of the Year of the 2010–11 Atlantic 10 Conference men's basketball season?
Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- The source says that Anderson is on the Preseason First Team and Preseason All-Defensive team, but it doesn't say anything about the Preseason Player of the Year. - PM800 (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yes it does. Look in the second paragraph of "preseason". ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 23:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- I know that it says "Preseason Player of the Year" in the second paragraph of "Preseason" in the article. However, I was talking about what was in the actual cited source (reference #4). - PM800 (talk) 23:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- "Four of the five student-athletes represented on last year's A-10 All-Conference First Team were named to this year's Preseason First Team including the reigning A-10 Player of the Year in Richmond's Kevin Anderson." This pretty much means he was preseason POY. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 22:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- I know that it says "Preseason Player of the Year" in the second paragraph of "Preseason" in the article. However, I was talking about what was in the actual cited source (reference #4). - PM800 (talk) 23:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yes it does. Look in the second paragraph of "preseason". ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 23:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Who is this Kevin Anderson? His fans may find this hook interesting, but ... who is this guy? Does he deserve a wikibio? --PFHLai (talk) 05:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Kevfin Anderson is quite notable. Go ahead and start his article; it's on my to-do list. Some sources predict he will be a second-round choice in the 2011 NBA Draft. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 22:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- The source says that Anderson is on the Preseason First Team and Preseason All-Defensive team, but it doesn't say anything about the Preseason Player of the Year. - PM800 (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
tkWWW
- ... that the tkWWW web browser, released May 1993, was the first X11 HTML editor?
Created by Mabdul (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALt1:... that the tkWWW web browser was so modular that there exists other web browser and web crawlers upon?
- The problem with the online cite in the article to the fact in the hook ("was the first X11 HTML editor") is that this claim is made by the author of the software, not an independent source. Is there an independent cite for this fact? - Tim1965 (talk) 01:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- another reference is visible at google books (the second book: "Managing Internet information services"). Is this enough or do I need for more? mabdul 13:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- That works for that cite. There appears to be a broader issue with the article, though, regarding verifiability and lack of neutral third-party sources. DYK general rule five requires that articles meet general Wikipedia guidelines on verifiability before being approved for DYK. That would need to happen in order for the hook to be approved. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah I know. When I did the nomination "everything was fine". I'm working on that. mabdul 14:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The Pat Boone Chevy Showroom
- ... that until The Donny & Marie Show in 1976, Pat Boone, 23 in 1957, had been the youngest person in television history to host a network variety show, ABC's The Pat Boone Chevy Showroom?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- I can't agree with the hook (which is sourced only to Pat Boone's own web site). Donny & Marie (1976 TV series) was hosted by Donny Osmond and Marie Osmond, both of whom were younger for the entire three-year run of their show than Boone was when he started his variety show. The Keane Brothers were even younger than Donny and Marie when they had their variety show for four weeks in 1977. I recommend finding a different hook. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- I still can't agree with the hook as revised. There is no source provided that says what the hook currently says. I know that Donny & Marie were younger than Pat Boone when they had their variety show, but how do we know someone younger than Boone didn't host a variety show between 1957 and 1976? The source provided, which is Pat Boone's own web site, only says, "Boone became the youngest person to have his own weekly musical variety show". But if whoever wrote the biography didn't know about Donny & Marie or the Keane Brothers, maybe there were other young hosts they didn't know about either. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT:... that ABC's The Pat Boone Chevy Showroom (1957-1960) invited numerous African American singers to perform, including Pearl Bailey, Count Basie, Ella Fitzgerald, Johnny Mathis, and The Mills Brothers?
Articles created/expanded on November 21
Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62
- ... that after the Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62, Mao Tsetung was seen as a monster, in the same league as Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin?
Created by Arilang1234 (talk). Self nom at 07:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- The book and topic are quite worthy of main page mention, but there are significant problems. The article is only 925 B readable prose size, short of the required 1500. The last sentence of the article is largely a copyvio from one of the reviews. The hook needs work as well, since many people have long considered Mao a monster on par with Hitler and Stalin and given that the book has only recently come out, it's premature to say whether it will affect public opinion (in the West or in China) on Mao. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- objection to the hook: the book was released two months ago. It's too early to pass judgements about its influence. And say it frankly: didn't you know it (about Mao) before? East of Borschov 21:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that during the Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62, among the 45 million premature deaths, at least 2 to 3 millions Chinese were buried alive, tortured or beaten to death.?
- I have changed the hook, and added more content to the article, and hope that that is OK now. Arilang talk 00:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- No, unfortunately, it isn't. The article still has a copyvio in it. The expansion of the article is with a bullet points list, which doesn't count in the readable prose stats. You have removed the old hook instead of showing an alternate, which makes this discussion hard to follow. And your new hook reads as though it is about the famine, when the hook needs to be about the book. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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- ALT2 ... that 2010 book Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958–62 states that 2–3 million Chinese were buried alive, tortured, or beaten to death during the famine?
- This will keep the point of your ALT1 hook but be about the book rather than the famine itself. But you still have a copyvio problem that has to be fixed before this can go on the main page. Consider this text from one of the book's reviews: "In terms of Mao's reputation this book leaves the Chairman for dead, as a monster in the same league as Hitler and Stalin - [...] It is a mark of the historical darkness that still envelops China that many Chinese blame the famine on the Soviet Union, which, they maintain, snatched food from the mouths of starving Chinese by insisting that Beijing export grain to repay Moscow's loans." Now look at this prose (not quoted) from your article: "thus putting Mao Tse-tung in the same league as Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin; and yet many Chinese still blame the famine on the Soviet Union, since they falsely believe that it was Soviet Union who was snatching food from the mouths of starving Chinese by insisting that Beijing export grain to repay Moscow's loans." Way too similar. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- The copyvio was removed by someone, but now the article is a bit underlength and has been tagged for being written as a list. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Further work has been done. No tags remain; length, date, and ALT2 hook are okay. Good to go. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- I have returned this one from the queue as it's clearly not ready for mainpage exposure. Apart from the fact that most of the paragraphs are uncited, this article leaves the impression that Mao and the communists deliberately set out to murder tens of millions of their own people, a claim which appears to be contradicted by the book itself. Gatoclass (talk) 14:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- The footnote 3 applies to all the paragraphs in the "Key arguments of the book", not just the last one. I okayed this after a lot of changes had been made because the topic is so important, but upon reflection, you're right that it's still not ready. Unfortunate. I'll ping the nominator again. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I will probably want to do some editing of this article myself as IMO it needs substantial work. Although really, I think it's time we started disqualifying POV articles outright. I'm tired of trying to bring other people's substandard articles up to scratch, I've got my own articles I want to write. Gatoclass (talk) 15:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a "POV article" per se. It isn't the Great Chinese Famine article, it's an article about a book about the famine. The article just has to accurately reflect the book's contents and the reactions to the book. Now I don't really know if it does that, not having read the book and not having looked for a lot of reactions. It would be especially useful to include the reaction of people in China (the government, historians, dissidents, etc) to the book, or whether the book even has any visibility there. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
But I will add that I think it is also going to need a new hook. The statement made by the author of the book on his website that "2 to 3 million Chinese were buried alive ..." during the famine strikes me as sensationalist, probably made to help sales of the book. I say this because not one review of the book I have read mentions people being "buried alive", although they all mention the other killings. This suggests to me that evidence for this claim in the actual book is either flimsy or else there were only isolated cases of such crimes. I can't imagine that reviewers would fail to note such a horrific method if it had been a widespread practice. Gatoclass (talk) 07:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Fairfax (Walton) and Thomas Fairfax (Gilling)
- ... that Thomas Fairfax was the first Fairfax to own Gilling Castle and gave it as an inheritance to his son Thomas, the last confirmed ancestor of both Prince William and Kate Middleton?
Thomas Fairfax (Walton) created by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Thomas Fairfax (Gilling) created by User:Martinvl on November 20 and 5x expanded by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 6:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: These articles are relevant to the "In the News" item about the engagement of Prince William and Kate Middleton. Ideally, this DYK should be placed on the main page before the "In the News" item is taken off the main page. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 06:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- They've both been tagged as few sources and requiring expansion. (Also both classed as stub.) Since DYKs are meant to give the impression of finished, I'm wary of promoting them. --Worm 15:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 22
List of special elections to the Philippine Congress
- ... that the Philippine Supreme Court (pictured) ruled that the special election for the Senate in 2001 was upheld even though the Commission on Elections did not call one?
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- There doesn't appear to be sufficient citations, per [[3]], a rule of thumb at 1 citation per paragraph. --Worm 15:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- The "House of Representatives" section doesn't need one since it's a summary of what was said at the "scheduling" section, and the individual sections for the "Senate" section are not needed since they're templated. The "Thirteenth senator" section uses the reference at the end it'll be redundant to ibid them at every bullet point. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Medieval Mayhem, The Video Game Critic
- ... that the 2006 homebrew Medieval Mayhem (pictured) and the 1984 Starpath Supercharger version of Frogger are the only two Atari 2600 games to receive an "A+" rating from The Video Game Critic?
Created by 28bytes (talk), Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- The Video Game Critic is currently tagged with {Notability}. --PFHLai (talk) 03:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Huh. Well, might as well go with a single nom, then. I've unbolded The Video Game Critic in the hook. 28bytes (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind my last comment; Theornamentalist has expanded the article with additional sources and removed the tag. Both articles should be ready. 28bytes (talk) 15:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- ...and now our notability-tagging friend has put The Video Game Critic up for AfD. I'll leave it up to the reviewer whether to wait for the AfD resolution or just go with a single nom for Medieval Mayhem with The Video Game Critic unbolded in the hook. 28bytes (talk) 16:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Benjamin Harrison IV
- ... that the ancestral home of United States Presidents William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison, built by Benjamin Harrison IV in 1726, is believed to be the oldest three-story brick mansion in Virginia (pictured)?
Created by Location (talk). Self nom at 07:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 23
Civilian casualty ratio
- ... that the lowest civilian casualty ratio in the history of combating terrorism may have been achieved by Israel, in its airstrikes on militants in the Gaza Strip?
Created by Jalapenos do exist (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Unique, notable, well-written with lots of good sources. Very relevant in the era of asymmetrical warfare --Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Currently at AfD. On hold here pending resolution there. 28bytes (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Concerns have been raised regarding the use of the word "terrorism" and the POV slant of the article which reads like an ISraeli MFA communique. While the article will likely be kept to be improved, these concerns also apply to the hook being proposed. Any alts for us to consider? Tiamuttalk 10:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
AfD was closed as keep here. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 09:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- "may have been achieved"... they are guessing and where is the source for this guessing? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Guinean constitutional referendum, 1958
- ... that Guinea was the only French colony to reject the 1958 constititution, thereby opting for independence?
Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 13:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Or perhaps "... that Guinea was the only French colony to reject the 1958 constititution in a referendum, thereby opting for independence?" Number 57 15:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Just William (2010 TV serial)
- ... that the Just William series of books, which serve as the basis of a 2010 television adaption, sold more than 12 million copies in the United Kingdom?
Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 17:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 24
Nürnberger Platz (Berlin U-Bahn)
- ... that after the Nürnberger Platz Berlin U-Bahn station was replaced by Spichernstraße and demolished, the Augsburger Straße station had to be built to reduce the distance between stations?
Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I also expanded the other 2 station articles within the time frame, but they do not meet length/amount of expansion criteria. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
The Nutcracker in 3D
- ... that 2010's The Nutcracker in 3D contained no ballet?
Created by 1Matt20 (talk). Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk) at 07:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Nearly. Size and age are fine, but can you mention the lack of ballet other than in a review (such as in the 'Plot' section)? A slight rewording is also needed to make it more NPOV. Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Also, before it goes live, it should have its stub status removed.
Teuthidodrilus
- ... that the squidworm is a newly discovered genus of deep water worms with physical characteristics of both seabed-dwelling and free-swimming worms?
Created by Klangenfurt (talk). Nominated by DiverDave (talk) at 22:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Wonderful article about a great subject. Two issues: 1) The online citation to the 2007 collection by Woods Hole does not lead to the article cited. 2) The hook is slightly too long. Can we lose the "(Teuthidodrilus)"? Otherwise, article length is OK, timeliness of submission OK, online cites OK, and offline cite AFG. One a side note: The lead contradicts the text. The squidworm was collected in 2007 by Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, but the lead says discovered by Scripps Institution of Oceanography in November 2010. Perhaps the issue is one of collected vs. described? This needs fixing. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Peter Shivute, Chief Justice of Namibia, Supreme Court of Namibia
- ... that Peter Shivute, Chief Justice in the Supreme Court of Namibia, spends his office hours on a fault?
- Peter Shivute 5x expanded by Pgallert (talk), beginning November 25. Self nom at 12:34, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Chief Justice of Namibia created by Pgallert (talk) on November 24. Self nom at 12:34, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Supreme Court of Namibia 5x expanded by Pgallert (talk), beginning November 24. Self nom at 12:34, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: The hook ref is the last one in the Supreme Court of Namibia#Court building section. --Pgallert (talk) 12:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Papyrus 6
- ... that Papyrus 6 (pictured), manuscript of the New Testament, contains text of the apocryphal First Epistle of Clement in Coptic (Akhmimic dialect)?
5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- The fact that is contains text of the First Epistle of Clement is not cited in the article, nor is the fact that is is in Coptic (Akhmimic dialect). - Tim1965 (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I forget. It was mentioned only in the lead (and unreferenced). I added this fact in section Description. We have not to much literature in Akhmimic. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- The fact that is contains text of the First Epistle of Clement is not cited in the article, nor is the fact that is is in Coptic (Akhmimic dialect). - Tim1965 (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
An Analysis of the Laws of England
- ... that although "relatively little scholarly attention" has been paid to William Blackstone's An Analysis of the Laws of England, it was so successful at the time that it necessitated the printing of four editions in four years? Ironholds (talk) 01:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- At 226 chars, I think this hook is a bit too long... any alternative suggestions?--Worm 16:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- ... that although "relatively little scholarly attention" has been paid to William Blackstone's An Analysis of the Laws of England, its initial success necessitated the printing of four editions in four years? Ironholds (talk) 16:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 25
Frank G. Higgins, William M. Morrow, Elmer Beach, Frederic L. Smith, Royal T. Farrand, J. De Forest Richards, Edmond H. Barmore, Thomas Jesse Drumheller and Thomas H. McNeil
- ... that the quarterbacks for the Michigan Wolverines football teams of the 19th Century included a Brigadier General decorated for valor in World War I, the brother of a famous novelist, one of the founders of General Motors, the physician at a Kimberly-Clark mill, the son of the Governor of Wyoming, a steamboat builder, a Grand Chancellor of the Knights of Pythias (pictured) and a sheep rancher from Walla Walla?
Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Everything seems Ok - a great lead hook, but. Higgins was a forward (was he QB once?), and I think the right image (Grand Chancellor) is better, but there are many alts available. Materialscientist (talk) 10:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Materialscientist (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Oops. You're right about Higgins. He was a forward. So I've stricken him from the multi. I agree with you that the McNeil photo is a good one. Also, it's a decent article on Higgins, and I'd hate to see it not make DYK because I got his position wrong. So I'd like to offer a separate hook on him having nothing to do with football. How's this:
- ... that Lt. Governor Frank G. Higgins (pictured) was the first native-born person from Montana to become a member of the state's bar and of its legislature? Cbl62 (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Date, expansion Ok. AGF the fact, but I would appreciate comments on the hook. Is "native" Ok here ("native American")? Isn't bar a jargon (wikilink or rephrase)? Materialscientist (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Alexander Sergeyevich Stroganov
- ... that after suggestion of Alexander Sergeyevich Stroganov (pictured) Alexander I, tsar of Russia, established Depository of Manuscripts in National Library of Russia (1805)?
Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for creating this article, but would it be possible to make the prose flow a little bit. At the moment it reads too abrupt, like a CV. Materialscientist (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- I have made some additional work. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for creating this article, but would it be possible to make the prose flow a little bit. At the moment it reads too abrupt, like a CV. Materialscientist (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Arthur Fell
- ... that in 1906 the British MP Arthur Fell was told by a judge that he had escaped "by the skin of his teeth" from having his election declared void?
- ALT1:... that before the 1906 general election, the British politician Arthur Fell held a campaign meeting at which 24 bottles of whisky were given to voters?
- ALT2:... that in 1906 Justice Grantham's bias in dismissing an election petition against Arthur Fell led to a motion of censure in the House of Commons?
- ALT3:... that from 1914 to 1922 the British Member of Parliament Arthur Fell led an all-party committee which campaigned for a Channel Tunnel
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Several possible hooks in this long article. I prefer ALT3 (the Channel Tunnel) but think the others have mileage too. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
ECAC women's ice hockey
- ... that Jennifer Botterill (pictured) was the only player in ECAC women's ice hockey history to win the Patty Kazmaier Award twice?
Source Created by Maple_Leaf (talk) 13:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 13:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Great, but could you please nominate articles after they are cleaned up, so that the review could start. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 00:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Too short and Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules#D7. Well below the minimum size of 1500 characters of readable prose. Multiple sections consisting of nothing but tables containing no information or having large blocks of blanks where useful information should exist. --Allen3 talk 20:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
List of St. Louis Cardinals no-hitters
- ... that the first no-hitter in the history of the St. Louis Cardinals baseball franchise was pitched on October 4, 1891 by Ted Breitenstein (pictured) in his first major league start?
Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 08:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
A double-hook with List of Cincinnati Reds no-hitters
- ... that the first no-hitter in the history of the St. Louis Cardinals baseball franchise, as well as the second no-hitter in Cincinnati Reds history, were both pitched by Ted Breitenstein (pictured) in the 1890s?
Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) 04:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 26
Furuset Line, Grorud Line
- ... that the Furuset and Grorud Lines of the Oslo Metro serve each their side of the Grorud Valley?
5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Walid Husayin
- ... that the Palestinian Authority has detained Palestinian blogger Walid Husayin for allegedly blaspheming against Islam on Facebook and in his personal blog?
Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Rans S-12 Airaile
- ... that although the Rans S-12XL Airaile (pictured) was scheduled to go out of production in 2006, customer demand has kept the kitplane in production?
Created by Ahunt (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 20:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Photothèque (Luxembourg)
- ... that the Photothèque (pictured) in Luxembourg houses photographs of the city taken as early as 1855?
Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Elekhh (talk) at 20:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Added extra references for clarity. Also alternative hook provided below: --Elekhh (talk) 20:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Alt: ... that the Photothèque (pictured) in Luxembourg houses some four million photographs taken between 1855 and the present day? -- Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- The original hook is now cited, but the cite is to Photothèque itself, which is not a neutral third-party cite. This is such an important claim, it needs that third-party citation. The fact about 4 million photos in the ALT hook is not cited. (The guideline says the citation has to immediately follow the hook, not be at the end of the paragraph.) - Tim1965 (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Trilokinath Temple at Tunde
- ... that the Trilokinath Temple at Tunde in Lahul, Himachal Pradesh, India, is sacred to both Tibetan Buddhists and Hindus and is dedicated to both Shiva and Avalokiteśvara?
Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 02:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- The sentence with the hook should have a citiation right after it.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out.
How about:
- ... that the Trilokinath Temple at Tunde in Lahul, India, is sacred to both Tibetan Buddhists and Hindus and is dedicated to both Shiva and Avalokiteśvara, though it seems it “was originally a Buddhist vihara.”
Would this be OK? John Hill (talk) 04:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Wuthering Heights (Herrmann)
- ✗... that Bernard Herrmann's only opera Wuthering Heights was composed 1943-1951, recorded by the composer in 1966, but has yet to receive a staged complete performance (its sole staging, in 1982, was cut by some 40 minutes and a happier ending was substituted)?
Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- The original hook, at 257 characters is over the limit of 200. Suggesting ALT1, at 199. (Note: I've only looked at the hook, not the article.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Bernard Herrmann recorded his only opera, Wuthering Heights, in 1966 but it has not been completely staged, as its sole staging, in 1982, was cut by 40 minutes with a happier ending substituted?
- I'm happy with that revised hook. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 22:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Matthew Passion/NBA BWV table
- ... that there are two different numbering schemes for Bach's masterpiece the St. Matthew Passion and neither is authentic?
Created by Woz2 (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! It's a pity text in tables doesn't count, but there you go. I guess I still have a few days to see if there's anything useful to add to prose section e.g. why did NBA think it necessary to invent a new numbering scheme? The BWV scheme seemed OK to me. What didn't they like about it? Woz2 (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 27
Base Cation Saturation Ratio - William Albrecht
- ... that the Base Cation Saturation Ratio was defined as a measure of soil fertility by William Albrecht of the University of Missouri?
created by Chienlit (talk). Self nom at 11:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Uspenski Gospels
- ... that Uspenski Gospels is the oldest dated Greek manuscript of the New Testament?
5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Creation date and length are good, AGF for hook ref. Style critique: is there a reason why the prose isn't in paragraphs? The Interior(Talk) 22:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- I reduced number of paragraphs. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- Creation date and length are good, AGF for hook ref. Style critique: is there a reason why the prose isn't in paragraphs? The Interior(Talk) 22:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Harihar Narayan Prabhakar
- ... that Indian politician Harihar Narayan Prabhakar began his political career in the Communist Party of India, but later represented three different parties in the legislative assembly of Bihar?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Changing parties by politicians is very common phenomena in India, Nothing new about it.-- . Shlok talk . 09:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps this hook would be more interesting, ALT1: "that Indian politician Harihar Narayan Prabhakar began his political career in the Communist Party of India, but later represented the Bharatiya Janata Party in the legislative assembly of Bihar?" Switching from CPI to BJP is certainly not very common. --Soman (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
List of Pittsburgh Pirates no-hitters
- ... that the list of no-hitters by Pittsburgh Pirates pitchers includes two victories on the same date in different seasons against baseball teams from the same city?
Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 16:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Wachet! betet! betet! wachet! BWV 70
- ... that Bach could not perform his cantata Wachet! betet! betet! wachet!, written in Weimar for Advent, in Leipzig in Advent?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that performance of Bach's cantata Wachet! betet! betet! wachet! for Advent was acceptable in Weimar but not in Leipzig? Woz2 (talk) 02:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't like "acceptable" in that suggestion. The wording sounds to me as if the special piece was acceptable or not, whereas Leipzig just didn't allow any music for the 2nd to 4th Sunday of Advent. Bach wrote this one for the 2nd. Btw, the cantata for the 3rd Sunday appeared already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- No problem. How about... ALT2: ... that performance of Bach's cantata Wachet! betet! betet! wachet! for Advent was acceptable in Weimar but not in Leipzig, because Leipzig didn't allow music during Advent? Woz2 (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
ZALA Aero
- ... that unmanned aerial vehicles built by ZALA Aero are used by Gazprom to monitor pipelines and retransmit video communications?
Created by Offliner (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 20:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Moni Guha
- ... that Indian communist Moni Guha was amongst the first to criticize the 1956 line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union as 'revisionist'?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Pisces IV
- ... that Pisces IV (pictured) has a specialized camera specifically for observing deep-sea organisms in a low-light setting?
Created by Resident Mario (talk). Self nom at 05:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I linked deep-sea. Moonraker2 (talk) 10:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- May I suggest tweaking the hook? Right now it's dull and boring. Well of course it has a camera, and of course it's quite dark out there. The article mentions that "The low-power camera is used to record the activities of organisms that otherwise respond poorly to bright light" - they key is that it's specifically for the critters that will attack and eat intruders who indiscriminately flash their cameras :) East of Borschov 23:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm looking in a bit into the sub's operational history, which should be more interesting. ResMar 21:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on November 28
Cyrus Pitt Grosvenor
- ... that Cyrus Pitt Grosvenor, a Baptist abolitionist from Massachusetts, calculated π as 3.142135?
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- No citation for date of death or burial site (uncited paragraph), and also the end of the paragraph above that (about [not] squaring the circle in 1882) should really be cited as well. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 20:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review - I've addressed those issues Victuallers (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- And it's good to go. Nice work. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 21:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
It is unclear what the hook aims at. His number is wrong, and much better accuracy was achieved more than 1000 years go by many people, but not everyone would understand that. Thus what is the moral of it? He was not a matematician, thus could make a mistake. Year is missing in the hook. Materialscientist (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- It struck me as quirky that a Baptist minister would be spending his spare time attempting to calculate the value of pi (rightly or wrongly). If that hook's a no-go, the fact that he tried to keep lamps from exploding might make for an interesting alternative. 28bytes (talk) 03:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- MS, does this work better? It seems "quirky" to me as well. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 04:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Cyrus Pitt Grosvenor, a Baptist abolitionist from Massachusetts, miscalculated π as 3.142135 in 1868?
- Suggestion (very much unshaped)
- ALT2 ... that Cyrus Pitt Grosvenor, a Baptist abolitionist from Massachusetts, received a patent on prevention of gas lamp explosions? Materialscientist (talk) 04:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- This is getting very silly. He was not trying to get a perfect value for pi ... he was trying to square the circle. As a result (because it is now known to be impoosible) his calculated result for pi was not accurate - they couldnt be! ... its an irrational number - there is no true value!. The hook is intended to appeal to the numerate .... as it has. People still today try to get more accurate figures for Pi by this method. There are books about it. It may be interesting that there were more accurate numbers for Pi 1000 years ago (but wrong!).... but that is for another interesting hook and another article. Its your choice guys, but I think we are objecting just because its hooky and its drawing you lot in. There is nothing misleading or inaccurate about the hook.... and if he "miscalculated" then we will need to say that Newton miscalculated gravity and every sum you have ever done using circles was a miscalculation. Victuallers (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- My point was that he brought nothing either to the process of calculating pi or to the value of pi, that this part could be omitted, and the hook instead focused to either that a Baptist was deeply interested in math or that he's got an engineering patent. Materialscientist (talk) 08:46, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- And my point is exactly opposite. Squaring the circle is a problem that had defeated mathematicians for thousands of years. The best attempts that were reported in Maths journals were by this guy and Lewis Carroll (aka The Alice Guy - who was a prof. maths person). I think you have imagined him as a vicar playing at maths and making mistakes cos he was an amateur. Not true. We has working under the classic Euclidean restrictions of only using compasses and ruler - as defined by the problem of squaring the circle. The result obtained to that date was by Cyrus Pitt Grovesnor and it is still noted today as impressive (see ref). They didn't say "Aaaah bless" when he got that value but "Wow!". A much less hooky and more wordy hook is offered below. Victuallers (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- (alt3)... that the success of Cyrus Pitt Grosvenor, a Baptist abolitionist from Massachusetts, in Squaring the circle can be appreciated by the value of 3.142135 which he obtained for π?
- And my point is exactly opposite. Squaring the circle is a problem that had defeated mathematicians for thousands of years. The best attempts that were reported in Maths journals were by this guy and Lewis Carroll (aka The Alice Guy - who was a prof. maths person). I think you have imagined him as a vicar playing at maths and making mistakes cos he was an amateur. Not true. We has working under the classic Euclidean restrictions of only using compasses and ruler - as defined by the problem of squaring the circle. The result obtained to that date was by Cyrus Pitt Grovesnor and it is still noted today as impressive (see ref). They didn't say "Aaaah bless" when he got that value but "Wow!". A much less hooky and more wordy hook is offered below. Victuallers (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- My point was that he brought nothing either to the process of calculating pi or to the value of pi, that this part could be omitted, and the hook instead focused to either that a Baptist was deeply interested in math or that he's got an engineering patent. Materialscientist (talk) 08:46, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
(ec)No, I can't see that reference. I am fine to AGF that he made significant contribution to the problem of squaring the circle, but look, even for me it is hard to relate pi and his obtained value with that significance (if anyone sees it right away - go ahead and take any hook, I won't quarrel). Why not say it directly, e.g. as
- ALT4: ... that Cyrus Pitt Grosvenor, a Baptist abolitionist from Massachusetts, made a significant contribution to the problem of squaring the circle? Materialscientist (talk) 09:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I think the difference between the hook is less than .000543 which was the error Grosvnor got. Basically I think we have just gone around the houses. I guess someone is going to have to reapprove all these hooks and decide. I was happy with the Bushranger's opinion. Victuallers (talk) 11:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Shashti (goddess)
- ... that initially described as devouring children on the sixth day after birth, today the Hindu goddess Shashti is worshipped on this day as the protector of children?
- Comment: split from Shashti and 5x expansion of original text in Shashti. Still in construction. It will take another 2-3 days to complete the lead rewrite and add some more sections for a good coverage. Please do not put the article on main page till the underconstruction tag is not removed.
Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 17:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Edmund Royds
- ... that the former country house of British politician Sir Edmund Royds was the subject of a Channel 4 television programme in 2009?
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 14:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- (ALT1) ... that the British Conservative MP Sir Edmund Royds was defeated at the 1922 general election when the National Farmers Union supported his Liberal opponent?
Röhss
- ... that the legacy of the mercantile Röhss family in Gothenburg includes a museum for design and three professorial chairs at Gothenburg University?
Created by Hegvald (talk). Self-nomination at 01:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Daniel D. Badger
- ... that Daniel D. Badger, with James Bogardus, was one of the major forces in creating cast-iron architecture in the United States?
Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 17:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Googling " Daniel D. Badger cast iron architecture " brings up, for example "Daniel D. Badger and Bogardus were leading advocates in developing cast iron" in G. E. Kidder Smith, Source Book of American Architecture: 500 Notable Buildings, 2000. Anything you'd find would corroborate this mainstream opinion, which I've added to the article, at the risk of belaboring the obvious, just to make sure. Okay now?--Wetman (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Iron ore mining in Western Australia
- ... that in 2008-09, 64 percent of the 316 million tonnes of iron ore produced in Western Australia was exported to China?
Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Cullen Wines
- ... that in 2006, Cullen Wines was the first winery in Australia to be certified as carbon neutral?
Created by Camw (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Seems too promotional to me, also I dont think carbon neutral makes this sufficintly notable.Thelmadatter (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- When you say notable are you talking about the subject? There is plenty of significant coverage in reliable sources so it isn't relying on the carbon neutral fact for its notability. I don't really see the hook as being overly commercially promotional, but I'll see if I can find something else as an ALT hook. Camw (talk) 01:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Richard Herbert, 2nd Baron Herbert of Chirbury
- ... that Richard Herbert raised a foot regiment and a troop of horse for the king during the English Civil War?
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 07:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Exercise Swarmer
- ... that Exercise Swarmer was described by top generals as "the biggest step forwards since World War II"?
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 06:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
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- (i) Some word is missing in the hook (it sort of means someone stretched his legs better than folks before WWII) (ii) I am uncomfortable with 1503 bytes length of the article. If it was what the hook says, shouldn't there be more to say about it? Materialscientist (talk) 00:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Well, that's what it was described as being at the time. I can provide an alternate hook:
- ALT1: "... that the U.S. Army's Parachute Rigger Badge first appeared in action during Exercise Swarmer?"
- ...as for length, I'll do a bit more digging to see if I can find anything, and will add a bit more about the paratroopers. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 01:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- (i) Some word is missing in the hook (it sort of means someone stretched his legs better than folks before WWII) (ii) I am uncomfortable with 1503 bytes length of the article. If it was what the hook says, shouldn't there be more to say about it? Materialscientist (talk) 00:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Let me explain comment (i) the hook is Ok, but unclear: "Exercise Swarmer .. is a step" - the reader has no clue it was a large-scale military exercise. Materialscientist (talk) 10:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, I understand now. I've tweaked the original hook accordinly, thanks. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 19:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Geriatric trauma
- ... that the three prevailing causes of geriatric trauma in the elderly are falls, traffic collisions and burns?
Created by Peter.C (talk), DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- (ALT1): ... that although geriatric trauma is less common than other forms of traumatic injury it has the highest mortality rate?
- Could possibly remove "in the elderly" from the first hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Battle of Battle Mountain
- ... that the namesake peak of the 1950 Battle of Battle Mountain changed hands 20 times in two weeks of fighting?
Created by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 29
Female sperm storage
- ... that spiked genitalia, such as that of the bean weevil (pictured) may be an adaptation to remove sperm stored by females from previous mates?
5x expanded by User:Margaretsarmy (talk), User:Shanana3475 (talk), User:Piltro (talk), User:ClashofAges (talk), User:Ethandegner (talk), User:Bjholm (talk). Nominated by Smartse (talk) at 15:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Ashbourne Hall
- ... that in 1846, Ashbourne Hall and its Derbyshire estate, was withdrawn from a sale and sold later in 46 lots by a local solicitor?
- Comment: new author
Created by Rushton2010 (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 11:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Joseph Whittaker (botanist)
- ... that Joseph Whittaker, who has 2,000 pressed plants in Derby Museum, sold 300 South Australian plants he collected in 1839-40 to Kew Gardens?
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- tweaked Victuallers (talk) 08:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I can't access the reference for the 2000 plants - it goes to here which is certainly not right. I'm not quite sure that the references is an RS either, but I'll wait to see it before deciding. I'm also unsure about the reliability of reference 3 which is to a website of a parish council - it doesn't make it clear anywhere where the information has come from and they can't be considered to be well known for fact checking. SmartSE (talk) 14:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thx for review. I'm trying to address the issue. Awaiting paper source. Victuallers (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1988 Winter Olympics
- ... that the Olympic Saddledome venue used for the 1988 Winter Olympics was under construction in 1981 when Calgary was awarded the Games?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway
- ... that the opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (pictured) saw two railway collisions, one fatality and a riot?
- ALT1:... that at the opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway Prime Minister the Duke of Wellington (pictured) was pelted with vegetables by an angry mob?
- ALT2:... that at the opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway William Huskisson (pictured), Member of Parliament for Liverpool, was killed, and the trains were attacked by an angry mob in Manchester?
- Comment: Obviously, which image is used depends on which hook is used. Huskisson's portrait probably works best at the small main-page image size.
Created by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT3:... that William Huskisson M.P. (pictured), was killed at the opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway by Stephenson's Rocket?
- Suggest .. hooky? Victuallers (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- A bit reluctant, just because that's the one fact about the opening which is widely known. (The Manchester riots are generally blotted out of history, but every British schoolchild learns about Huskisson's death in primary school.) If ALT3 is used (or any variation thereof) it should be "Stephenson's Rocket"—"Stephenson's" isn't part of the name (we use it to disambiguate from other Rockets). – iridescent 23:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- I like the alt. Even if it's slightly less appealing to British readers, that will definitely grab the attention of everyone else in the world and probably quite a few UK users too. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 15:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough—tweaked the formatting of Stephenson's Rocket in the hook, though. – iridescent 20:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- I like the alt. Even if it's slightly less appealing to British readers, that will definitely grab the attention of everyone else in the world and probably quite a few UK users too. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 15:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- A bit reluctant, just because that's the one fact about the opening which is widely known. (The Manchester riots are generally blotted out of history, but every British schoolchild learns about Huskisson's death in primary school.) If ALT3 is used (or any variation thereof) it should be "Stephenson's Rocket"—"Stephenson's" isn't part of the name (we use it to disambiguate from other Rockets). – iridescent 23:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
William Lai
- ... that Tainan mayor-elect William Lai was named Taiwan's "Best Legislator" for four consecutive years?
Created by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 11:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Rudi Spring
- ... that composer Rudi Spring accompanied Salome Kammer in songs and chansons at the Rheingau Musik Festival?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Tell Fray, Dibsi Faraj
- ... that the archaeological sites of Tell Fray and Dibsi Faraj in Syria were flooded by the rising waters of Lake Assad?
Created by Zoeperkoe (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Walter Windsor
- ... that the death in June 1945 of the Labour Party candidate Walter Windsor caused Hull East to be the last constituency to declare a result in the 1945 general election in the United Kingdom?
- ALT1:that while King George V performed the State Opening of Parliament in January 1924, the Labour Party MP Walter Windsor instead attended a march of the National Unemployed Workers' Movement?
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Jake Gaudaur Veterans' Trophy, Mike McCullough (Canadian football)
- ... that Mike McCullough of the Saskatchewan Roughriders was named the inaugural winner of the Jake Gaudaur Veterans' Trophy at the 98th Grey Cup?
Created by Canada Hky (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Black history and ice hockey
- ... that with regards to Black history and ice hockey, Grant Fuhr was the first black player inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame?
(ref: Jim Kelley. "First black inductee pleased to be role model". ESPN.com. November 3, 2003. Retrieved on September 10, 2008.)
Created by Maple_Leaf (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Original hook seems a bit awkward. Suggesting ALT1. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Grant Fuhr was the first black player inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame?
History of viruses
- ... that tulips with stripes are probably infected by a virus and that Neanderthals might have been made extinct by herpesvirus?
Created by GrahamColm (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- The article title needs to be linked in the hook somewhere. Mikenorton (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Linked. Graham Colm (talk) 23:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- This is a great article. I really enjoyed reading it. I verified hook references, and the article is well cited. I am concerned though that this does not meet the required 5x expansion for articles that draw material from existing articles. The entirety of the history section in the virus article has something like 5000 characters of prose, and the history of viruses article has about 15,000 characters. Not all of the section in the virus article was copied though, and I am not sure what the policy is in that case. Could more seasoned DYK checkers can chime in? James McBride (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- There needs to be a 5x expansion of the material that has been split, pretty much all the history section of virus is included in the pioneer and Vertebrate viruses sections and with an expansion from 5351 > 13821 this isn't going to qualify. (I agree it is a pity, because it is an interesting article). SmartSE (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- I have added a lot more today, would you be kind and recheck? Graham Colm (talk) 18:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- PS here's the dif [4]. Graham Colm (talk) 18:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- The original (in my sandbox) was 5351 characters, and the article is currently 22161, whereas it needs to be 26755, unfortunately making it 4594 characters too short still. Could you expand on the imaging of viruses, the separation of them into protein and DNA, molecular work on them in the 50s - 70s or more about plant viruses? It's looking great, and I hope it can be pushed just a little further to qualify! SmartSE (talk) 00:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- I have added some more on rabies. I will add some more elsewhere in the morning if the the postman manages to fight his way through the snow to my house with the books I have ordered. I could write buckets, but I like to reference facts as I write to stop me putting my own ideas down. Plant viruses are outside the area of my expertise and this section is going to be a challenge for me. How much longer have I got? PS Thanks again for your very encouraging comments. Best wishes, Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 01:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- The original (in my sandbox) was 5351 characters, and the article is currently 22161, whereas it needs to be 26755, unfortunately making it 4594 characters too short still. Could you expand on the imaging of viruses, the separation of them into protein and DNA, molecular work on them in the 50s - 70s or more about plant viruses? It's looking great, and I hope it can be pushed just a little further to qualify! SmartSE (talk) 00:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- PS here's the dif [4]. Graham Colm (talk) 18:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Arthur Priestley
- ... that the British cricketer and politician Sir Arthur Priestley went pig-sticking in Patiala?
5x expanded by BrownHairedGirl (talk), Sarastro1 (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Protactinium
- ... that the UK Atomic Energy Authority isolated 125 grams of protactinium in 1961, which was for many years the only significant source of the element?
- Comment: ALT1 ... that Lise Meitner (pictured), a co-discoverer of protactinium, became Germany's first female full professor in physics? ALT1 needs grammar correction, I guess. See these refs [5] [6] for main hook (proposed by Physchim62, many thanks to him) and this for ALT1. Materialscientist (talk) 10:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Yahweh (song)
- ... that "Yahweh" was performed live by U2 during the Vertigo Tour?
5x expanded by Burningview (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 30
CURV-III
- ... that in the deepest underwater rescue in history, CURV-III (pictured), a US Navy ROV, saved two men in 1973 stranded for 76 hours in a submersible from a depth of 1,575 ft (480 m) with just minutes of air remaining?
Created/expanded by Wpwatchdog (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Troy, Virginia, Virginia Air Line Railway
- ... that Troy, Virginia is named after the president of the defunct Virginia Air Line Railway?
5x expanded by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 05:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Troy, Virginia is a new article. Looks good. Virginia Air Line Railway has been expanded 5.05 times (the editor didn't stop one word too early). Dates check out, so does the hook fact. The leads could be better, but that's not a DYK concern. I've left a note to that effect on one of the talk pages and given the overall quality of the articles, I expect that the editor will soon attend to this minor issue. Schwede66 18:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Joseph Dodson
- ... that the sixth generation descendants of Joseph Dodson (pictured), one of the early brewers of Nelson, New Zealand, are still in the brewing business?
- Comment: Article started on 30 November.
Created by NealeFamily (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Horatio Brown, Life on the Lagoons
- ... that Robert Louis Stevenson (pictured) wrote his poem To H. F. Brown to celebrate Horatio Brown's book Life on the Lagoons?
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 10:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Ole Carlson House
- ... that the Ole Carlson House (pictured) is a good example of Minnesota's rural Norwegian heritage?
Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- The article says the "owner/builder represents the rural Norwegian heritage of the area" while the Italianate structure itself is "an example of the ethnic settlements of early Norwegian Americans". These two almost-facts seem to have been conflated by this hook. - Dravecky (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Hi there. The Minnesota Historic Properties Inventory Form stated that it's criteria for selection was its agricultural, architectural and ethnic significance at the local level (versus national). The local level is rural Minnesota, which as our article on Norwegian Americans points out, is the home to the largest population of Norwegian descendants, don'tcha know? I was debating about using the word "fine" instead of "good", but I felt that wasn't quite right --but perhaps it would be given that the house is considered above average. I'm up for suggestions. --Bobak (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Acochlidiacea, Euopisthobranchia, Panpulmonata
... that research of small acochlidian (example pictured) group (less than 30 species) resulted in redefinition of Heterobranchia, the largest clade of gastropods, that has led to creation new clades Euopisthobranchia and Panpulmonata in 2010?
5x expanded by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 01:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that research into the acochlidian group (example pictured) resulted in the largest clade of gastropods being redefined, which led the creation of the new clades Euopisthobranchia and Panpulmonata in 2010?
- ALT2 ... that research on the acochlidians (pictured), a group with 30 species, resulted in the redefinition of the Heterobranchia, the largest clade of gastropods, and has led to the creation of the new clades Euopisthobranchia and Panpulmonata in 2010?
I have fixed the prose of original hook for the ALT2. ALT1 is also fine. --Snek01 (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Note: There are two images available. Feel free to use both(!) or the only a photo. --Snek01 (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Frida Kahlo Museum (La Casa Azul)
- ... that Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo housed Leon Trotsky and his wife in "The Blue House" (pictured) after the couple obtained political asylum?
5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I created it as a new article before finding and merging a stub that was previously createdThelmadatter (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Cancer Cells
- ... that research has shown that the failure to recognize cancer cells is caused by the lack of particular co-stimulated molecules that aid in the way antigens react with lymphocytes(pictured)?
Created/expanded by Venustas 12 (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, this is not even close to a 5x expansion within the last 5 days. -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cancer_Cells&diff=prev&oldid=399812662
This article is only one day old (before that it was a workshop.) Venustas 12 (talk) 23:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- And it is still a workshop, and it is all your editing from the start. We require 5x expansion within 5-7 days, which is not seen here, but it can still be done, so good luck. Materialscientist (talk) 23:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've quickly cleaned up formatting, but this should not mislead the reviewer - this article does need to be checked carefully, preferably by someone who knows this subject a bit. Materialscientist (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- I agree on this. I did some further clean-up, but this should be checked by someone who knows something about it. Also, I think that this article should be at Cancer cell, not Cancer cells, with the current contents of Cancer Cell moved to Cancer Cell (journal) or something like that. -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 00:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've quickly cleaned up formatting, but this should not mislead the reviewer - this article does need to be checked carefully, preferably by someone who knows this subject a bit. Materialscientist (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Article 9 of the Constitution of Singapore
- ... that under Article 9 of the Singapore Constitution no one may be deprived of life or personal liberty save in accordance with law, which a 1980 case says includes fundamental rules of natural justice?
Created by Emmanuel Benedict Lee (talk), Josephine chee (talk), Shalini Jayaraj (talk), Viknesh2010 (talk), Yeenseen (talk) and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 18:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
A7 (Croatia)
- ... that 34.4-kilometre (21.4 mi) A7 motorway (pictured) in Croatia was built over a 33-year period?
5x expanded by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 16:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that 210-metre (690 ft) Rječina bridge carries the Croatian A7 motorway (pictured) across Rječina River canyon?
- Or maybe this one is the best:--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that a part of the Croatian A7 motorway near Rijeka had to be fully enclosed by noise barriers (pictured) as the route passes mere 40 metres (130 feet) away from residential buildings?
- Or maybe this one is the best:--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Queen Vic Fire Week
- ... that in preparation for moving to HD broadcasting, the British soap opera EastEnders lit its set on fire?
Created by AnemoneProjectors (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- burnt its own set? "lit its set o n fire" is hard to understand imo Victuallers (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I was going for something quirky, I think "lit its set on fire" sounds more quirky. What about it is hard to understand? AnemoneProjectors 23:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Daniel O'Brien (comedian)
- ... that Daniel O'Brien senior editor for Cracked.com was confronted by the FBI and United States Secret Service after writing for his column an article titled "How to Kidnap the President's Daughter."?
5x expanded by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Daniel O'Brien, senior editor for Cracked.com, was confronted by the FBI and United States Secret Service after writing an article titled "How to Kidnap the President's Daughter?"
Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant sarcophagus
- ... that Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant sarcophagus locked 200 tons of radioactive lava, 30 tons of highly contaminated dust and 16 tons of uranium and plutonium?
Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 12:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good and is interesting, can you add citations for the last sentences of the construction and replacement sections though? Thanks SmartSE (talk) 10:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Added extra citation. The New Safe Confinement has the relevant citation in itself. Twilightchill t 17:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Walter T. Bailey
- ... that Walter T. Bailey was the first African-American to graduate from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign with a bachelor of science in architectural engineering?
Created by IvoShandor (talk). Self nom at 07:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- An interesting read. I'd suggest a catchier hook, though. A couple suggestions:
- alt 1 ... that Walter T. Bailey was the first licensed African-American architect in Illinois?
- alt 2 ... that Walter T. Bailey, the first licensed African-American architect in Illinois, designed the National Knights of Pythias Temple in Chicago's Black Metropolis-Bronzeville District? Cbl62 (talk) 02:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I thought of that first one earlier but neglected to post it. Any of those hooks work. IvoShandor (talk) 06:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Chase Aircraft
- ... that the contract for production of the C-123 Provider, developed by Chase Aircraft, was awarded to Fairchild Aircraft as a result of a scandal involving Henry J. Kaiser (pictured)?
5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 05:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Geology of Masschusetts
- ... that although Massachusetts is located at the 42nd parallel north, it is made up of rocks which originated near the South Pole?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 04:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- The article references different pages of one book multiple times. Tip: A cleaner way to do this is <ref name="bkname">{{cite book |...}}</ref>{{rp|1}} ... <ref name="bkname"/>{{rp|2}} .... See the help page for citation template for more details. hth. Looks good otherwise. Woz2 (talk) 13:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Guanajuato
- ... that while Guanajuato's economy was traditionally based on mining and agriculture, today about 30% is based on industry?
5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK this is lame. Open to suggestions for somthing better.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Very impressive article with lots of good hook material. I'd opt for something focusing on the architecture or history. Maybe something like:
- alt 1 ... that Guanajuato is the birthplace of Diego Rivera and contains one of the older sites of Mesoamerica (artifact pictured)? Cbl62 (talk) 02:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Brian Halligan
- ... that Brian Halligan, an executive and author (pictured, on the right with coauthor David Meerman Scott), draws inspiration for marketing from the rock band the Grateful Dead?
Created by Woz2 (talk). Self nom at 04:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- image has to be 100 x 100 max. There seem to be other changes made to formatting which may effect the bot. Victuallers (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've made the hook slightly shorter without removing any information. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
RAAF Base Richmond
- ... that RAAF Base Richmond (pictured), one of the largest military airfields in Australia, was established in 1925 on a piece of land known as Ham Common?
5x expanded by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Battle of Nam River
- ... that the US 35th Infantry Regiment guarded a bridge for a week during the 1950 Battle of Nam River before it was accidentally destroyed by US bombers?
Created by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Checks out fine for length, age and referencing in general but it's not clear to me from the article that the 35th guarded the bridge for the entire week before it was accidentally destroyed; perhaps you can make it a bit more obvious and self-contained by putting "after the 35th had been guarding it for a week" or some such at the end of the sentence beginning "On September 8..." Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 1
Deadly Hero
- ... that the 1976 thriller movie Deadly Hero features James Earl Jones as a mugger named Rabbit?
5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 09:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that 1976 thriller movie Deadly Hero was the motion picture debut of actor Treat Williams? (just offering an option) - Dravecky (talk) 22:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Ann Ward
- ... that fashion model Ann Ward, who was mocked as a child due to her height, was the only contestant of America's Next Top Model to be named best photo five times in a row?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 02:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: There was an Ann Ward page prior to December 1, but it was a disambiguation page that has since been moved to Ann Ward (disambiguation). The article as it exists right now was made on December 1. — Hunter Kahn 02:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
First Hungarian Reformed Church of New York
- ... that the First Hungarian Reformed Church of New York (pictured) on the Upper East Side is the only Christian religious building designed by Emery Roth?
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Brighton Hippodrome
- ... that The Beatles, the Rolling Stones and Brighton-born conjoined twins Daisy and Violet Hilton have all topped the bill at the Brighton Hippodrome (pictured)?
- ALT1:... that when Laurence Olivier made his first entrance on his début at the Brighton Hippodrome (pictured), he fell over?
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1988 Summer Olympics
- ... that many of the venues used for the 1986 Asian Games in Seoul served as test events for the Summer Olympics held there two years later?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- I suggest a better hook wording would be something like:
- (ALT1) ... that many of the venues of the 1988 Summer Olympics were tested at the Asian Games held in Seoul two years earlier?
- (ALT2) ... that many of the venues of the 1988 Summer Olympics were tested when Seoul hosted the Asian Games two years earlier?
- (ALT3) ... that the 1986 Asian Games held in Seoul served as test events for many of the venues of the 1988 Summer Olympics?
Coffee production in India
- ... that the earliest variety of Coffea arabica grown in India (pictured coffee plantation) was named Kent?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 04:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 05:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that probably the most commonly planted Coffea arabica in India and Southeast Asia is named S.795? --Rosiestep (talk) 05:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that of the approximately 250,000 coffee growers in India, 98% of them are small growers? --Rosiestep (talk) 20:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 3 ... that Coffee production in India started when Baba Budan, while on a pilgrimage smuggled seven coffee beans by tying it around his waist from Yemen and planted them in Karnataka? -- N.V.V. Char Talk . 06:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The Kate Smith Show
- ... that The Kate Smith Show theme song was "When the Moon Comes over the Mountain," rather than Smith's better known rendition of "God Bless America"?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- The hook is currently linked to a page on magiclink.com, which appears to be a fan page or blog. Do you have any information indicating that magiclink.com is a reliable source? I suspect the information if correct, and the hook is a good one (IMO), but can you supply a more reliable source? Cbl62 (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Temple Beth Israel (Sharon, Pennsylvania)
- ... that in the mid-1940s Temple Beth Israel of Sharon, Pennsylvania held Reform services on Friday nights and Orthodox ones on Saturday mornings?
5x expanded by Jayjg (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Paleoleishmania & Lutzomyia adiketis
- ... that the extinct sandfly species Lutzomyia adiketis is host to the Paleoleishmania species P. neotropicum?
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Bedsitcom
- ... that the Channel 4 series Bedsitcom was a reality TV programme that featured three actors and three unaware members of the public?
Created by A Thousand Doors (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm not entirely sure that that's the most eloquent hook that I could've written. Basically, Bedsitcom documented the lives of six young adults in London. Three of them thought that they were taking part in a standard reality TV series about six young adults living together in a flat, and were unaware that the other three were actually actors being directed by a team of writers in a separate room. These three actors would often manipulate the three genuine contestants into doing the sorts of crazy things that might normally occur on a sitcom. Sources: [7] [8]. Can, err, anyone think of a succinct way of expressing that premise in a hook? A Thousand Doors (talk) 14:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1* ... that the reality TV programme Bedsitcom featured actors following the producer's instructions, as well as unaware members of the public, leading to it being labelled "morally reprehensible".
- The number of actors and the channel it was on aren't too important, hopefully this gets it across and is interesting. SmartSE (talk) 10:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's much better. Thanks very much, SmartSE! A Thousand Doors (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- The number of actors and the channel it was on aren't too important, hopefully this gets it across and is interesting. SmartSE (talk) 10:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Sarbufis
- ... that in 1955 the Indonesian film workers union Sarbufis launched a campaign to ban American newsreel film?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
US Railcar
- ... that despite being a builder of railroad rolling stock, US Railcar has no facilities with which to construct their products?
Created by C628 (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Lee Kwon Mu
- ... that despite being a decorated North Korean general during the Korean War, Lee Kwon Mu disappeared from public life after 1959?
Created by User:Ed! (talk) and Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Let's make the hook more interesting...
- ALT: ... that despite being a friend, a Hero of the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea and a decorated general during the Korean War, Lee Kwon Mu was purged by Kim Il-sung in 1959? Jim101 (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 2
Salvation Army Headquarters (Saint Paul, Minnesota)
- ... that The Salvation Army chose the Zigzag Moderne-style for their Minnesota headquarters (pictured) in order to demostrate that it was a modern organization?
Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Mashteuiatsh, Quebec
- ... that the Mashteuiatsh Reserve on Lake Saint-Jean in Quebec, Canada, had an original size of 23,040 acres (93.2 km2) but currently is only 14.50 km2?
5x expanded by P199 (talk). Self nom at 16:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Samuel Lucas
- ... that this year a U.S. Embassy attache visited the tomb of Samuel Lucas who lived to hear the "tidings of the destruction of the slave power in the United States"?
- Comment: alt hooks welcome
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Jackson Mine
- ... that the first iron mine in the Lake Superior region, the Jackson Mine, was established where iron ore was found in the roots of a fallen tree?
Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 12:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Citations: Jackson Mine is the first mine in the area, ore discovered in the roots of a fallen tree. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- I could only get to the second of your offered refs but the article's ref 2 covered both points - thanks - although I think the word "when" could be accurately be changed to "where"? Victuallers (talk) 15:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- 1) I agree "where" is better, and have changed the hook accordingly. 2) Although the point is moot, the first citation is more explicit. For reference, the cite read in part, "[Jackson Mine] is attractive in the iron ore region of Michigan and the entire Lake Superior region, because of the fact it was here that the first discovery of iron ore was made, here the first mining was done, and from its ore the first iron was manufactured." Actually, I think I'll add that quote to the article. :) Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
SS Persier (1918)
- ... that although Persier was due to be scuttled as a blockship during Operation Overlord in June 1944, she was returned to service, only to be torpedoed and sunk in February 1945?
5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Pete Rummell
- ... that the planned community of Celebration, Florida was the 1989 brainchild of Pete Rummell when he was President of Disney Development Company?
Created by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Going to need more cites - some say "one ref per para", but certainly more at end of article Victuallers (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)oops, my error, clicked on the article about the place by mistake. Victuallers (talk) 16:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
O'Brien Alston
- ... that after he injured Indianapolis Colts linebacker O'Brien Alston, New York Jets running back Freeman McNeil was so distraught that he "committed a flagrant act of compassion"?
Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Thor: God of Thunder
- ... that actors Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston will reprise their Thor roles in the video game, Thor: God of Thunder?
Created by TriiipleThreat (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Bustard Head Light
- ... that Bustard Head Light, an 1868 lighthouse near 1770, Queensland, Australia, was the first to be established in Queensland after Queensland's formation in 1859?
- ALT1:that Bustard Head Light, a lighthouse established in 1868 near 1770, Queensland, Australia, was the first in Australia to be constructed using bolted prefabricated segments of cast iron?
Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ref 5 seems to be a key cite .... which refers to "AHD19181.".... Ive tried but I can find nowhere that the relevance of this is explained. Victuallers (talk) 15:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Spoons sex position
- ... that a woman's G-Spot can be easily reached in the spoons sex position?
5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Arnold Aronson
- ... that Arnold Aronson, a founder of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, helped inspire the career of his nephew, singer-songwriter and organizer Si Kahn?
Created by Dwalls (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict
- ... that The Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict strives to bring about new policies that protects innocent victims as well as aid those who were inevitably caught in the crossfire of war?
5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- ... umm "as well as"? reads to me as if the group protects "innocent victims" as well as those "caught in crossfire". I'm willing to bet the second set are innocent victims too... and why are they "inevitably caught" and not just "caught"? Ill try and think of a new hook Victuallers (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- I tried to find a new hook but found the article too wordy (coi?). I think this needs a second opinion. imo this reads as if the article is not about the Campaign, more like it is the campaign - and we shouldn't do that. Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Burnham-on-Sea Lifeboat Station
- ... that the town's lifeboat used to be pulled by horses along a railway line from Burnham-on-Sea Lifeboat Station to the beach where it could be launched?
Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- What town? I assume Burnham-on-Sea, but that isn't entierly clear from the hook. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 01:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Platt-LePage Aircraft Company, Platt-LePage XR-1
- ... that the Platt-LePage Aircraft Company, formed after one of its founders was impressed by a Nazi rotorcraft, beat Sikorsky for the contract to supply the first American military helicopter (pictured)?
5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Now a double nom with extra added choppery goodness. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 17:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
FIFA's Dirty Secrets
- ... that a documentary investigating corruption within FIFA was broadcast in the week that the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cup hosts were chosen?
Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 3
E. R. Minchew
- ... that the Louisiana educator and debate coach E. R. Minchew was himself the winner in 1929 of the state collegiate championship in oratory?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
John McKechnie (coach)
- ... that John McKechnie, recipient of a 1987 Coach of the Year award, was winless in college football?
Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Perry Nelson House
- ... that, dubbed the "House of Politics", the Perry Nelson House (pictured) was a place where Yankee farmers and politicians discussed issues of the day?
Created/expanded by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 00:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
T. L. Bayne
- ... that in 1893, T. L. Bayne coached both sides in a college football game, which prompted the Chicago Daily Tribune to note that "Bayne's Tulane team whipped Bayne's L.S.U. team"?
Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
H. T. Summersgill
- ... that to this day, Tulane University and Louisiana State University dispute the results of a football game coached by H. T. Summersgill (pictured) in 1901?
Created/expanded by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Achatina vassei
- ... that shells of Achatina vassei (pictured) are held by only two museums worldwide?
Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Achatina vassei (pictured) is a rare species of malacofauna of Mozambique?
--Snek01 (talk) 23:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
George Yeager
- ... that baseball catcher George Yeager had his best season cut short after 19 games due to a knee injury?
5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Fort Julien
- ... that Fort Julien near the mouth of the Nile in Egypt was the place where French soldiers discovered the Rosetta Stone in 1799?
Created and nominated by Prioryman (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Jaitapur Nuclear Power Project
- ... that Jaitapur Nuclear Power Project will be the largest nuclear power generating station in the world by net electrical power rating once completed?
5x expanded by Sachinvenga (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Yan Emperor
Relief sculptures of the Yan Emperor and the Yellow Emperor
- ... that a 2004 academic conference in China concluded that the Sheep's Head Mountains, north of Gaoping, Shanxi Province, was the homeland of the legendary Yan Emperor?
5x expanded by White whirlwind (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Battle of Flint River
- ... that Creek Indians assisted by English traders defeated a larger force of Apalachee and Spanish fighters in the October 1702 Battle of Flint River?
5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 16:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The Five Orders of Architecture
- ... that Giacomo Barozzi da Vignola's book The Five Orders of Architecture from 1562 is considered to be "one of the most successful architectural textbooks ever written" despite having almost no text?
Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Clotted Cream
- ... that in Devon a cream tea includes a scone spread with clotted cream and topped with jam, but in Cornwall it is prepared the other way around?
5x expanded by Worm That Turned (talk). Self nom at 13:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Although the suggested hook is generally true, and perhaps traditionally true, it can be quite contentious - see Talk:Cream tea. But, if you want to spark
an argumentvigorous debate in Devon and Cornwall, go for it! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)- Well, I thought that might get people in, it is sourced and most importantly I didn't say WHICH was right... but that was one of my main reasons for putting up the alts!Worm 14:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- Although the suggested hook is generally true, and perhaps traditionally true, it can be quite contentious - see Talk:Cream tea. But, if you want to spark
- My maths says ~1500 to ~8500 is ok, let me know if I've got that wrong! Also, I've got some ALTS if that hook isn't hooky enough, please do say which you think is best!Worm 13:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that clotted cream has such a high fat content that in United States of America it would be classed as butter?
- ALT2 ... that in the run up to Christmas, one manufacturer produces up to 25 tonnes (25,000 kg) of clotted cream per day?
St Martin's Church, Waithe
- ... that when the Churches Conservation Trust took St Martin's Church, Waithe, Lincolnshire (pictured) into its care, parts of it were close to collapse, it was overgrown, and it contained bat guano?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Richie McCaw
Portrait shot showing the face of a young man wearing a black jersey with the words ADIDAS on the right and All Black under a silver fern on the left
- that in 2010 All Black captain Richie McCaw (pictured) was named the IRB International Player of The Year, for a record third time?
5x expanded by Aircorn (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Here's the source AIRcorn (talk) 12:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Shauna Cross
- ... that screenwriter Shauna Cross is adapting the pregnancy guide What to Expect When You're Expecting into a romantic comedy film?
5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 07:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Sandolo
- ... that the Venetian Sandolo (pictured) can be distinguished from a Gondola as it lacks a high steel prow, or ferro?
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Sandy Cape
- ... that Sandy Cape on Queensland's Fraser Island is a rookery for the endangered loggerhead and green turtles?
Created by Shiftchange (talk). Self nom at 02:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
communication privacy management theory
- ... that communication privacy management theory is concerned with how people negotiate openness and privacy of communicated information?
Created/expanded by Jncraton (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Great Recoinage of 1816
- ... that during the Great Recoinage of 1816 the design of the portrait of King George III by Benedetto Pistrucci was met with such public hostility that it was withdrawn
Created by Andrewrabbott (talk). Self nom at 10:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
No. 72 Wing RAAF
Four single-engined military aircraft in formation over an island
- ... that when No. 72 Wing (P-40 Kittyhawks pictured) deployed in 1943, it was to what the official history of the RAAF in World War II described as "a desolate marshy little port" in Dutch New Guinea?
Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 10:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Elsa Chauvel
- ... that Australian actress and filmmaker Elsa Chauvel met her future husband Charles when he scouted her for the lead role in his second film?
Created by Ackatsis (talk). Nominated by Gonzonoir (talk) at 11:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT:... that Australian actress and filmmaker Elsa Chauvel met her future husband Charles when he scouted her for the lead role in Greenhide?
- Comment: I just created an article for the film in question (1723 characters) and thought it might be a good idea to integrate this into the hook, pending the nominator's approval. Ackatsis (talk) 13:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Heritage (film)
- ... that Charles Chauvel conceived his Australian historical film Heritage in order to maximise his likelihood of winning a £2,500 Commonwealth Prize?
Created by Ackatsis (talk). Self nom at 12:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
IS (Infinite Stratos)
- ... that the Chinese translations of the light novel IS (Infinite Stratos) was under indefinite suspension because the publisher had entered into overseas contracts without the writer's consent?
5x expanded by Ike-bana (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
For December 10
This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby
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Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
The goal 6-article hook would be something like:
- * ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?
Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC). Tom Gallicchio, Shamil Zavurov, Tomasz Narkun and Vyacheslav Vasilevsky Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at TIME and DATE to follow.
- Updating work on these articles will be completed over the next few weeks in user space; the four new articles will be moved into article space in early December. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
December 25 2010
Unto Us is Born a Son
- ... that although first published in the 1582 songbook Piae Cantiones (pictured), the Christmas carol Unto Us is Born a Son may be derived from 12th and 13th century French organum repertories?
New article by Rob (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC) . It would be quite nice to see this up sometime on or after the 28th November (1st day of Advent), although any time in the Christmas period would be good.
- A very nice well-referenced article with an offline citation accepted IGF. Just a little point; we need a reference to the image, something like (x pictured) — then it's fine. And, why not nominate it for Christmas Day itself (no nominations yet, and more appropriate than in Advent)?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've added the little description. It would be quite nice to see it on Christmas day I suppose, although I assumed that because it's already written it wouldn't pass the "new article" criteria. (I thought it was more useful to post the article before Christmas than wait until nearer the day in case somebody looks it up for a carol service!) Is there a holding area for Christmas day I could add it to? Rob (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- That's fine now. Suggest moving it into the Special occasion holding area under a heading "December 25 (Christmas Day)" or something like that.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Late December 2010
Circumcision of Jesus
- ... that the Gospel of Luke states that the Circumcision of Jesus (pictured) took place eight days after his birth?
- Comment: I have a special date request for this one. The Feast of the Circumcision of Christ is January 1, and this would be especially appropriate for that day. In lieu of that, December 25 would be appropriate. Raul654 (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Created by Raul654 (talk) and User:Johnbod. Self nom at 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Image fine, refs look good, removed stub assessment, but not sure you are allowed an external in line ref in the text? Although I agree it looks neat here. Tick when resolved Victuallers (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- If you're talking about the {{Bibleverse-nb}} template, that's the correct way to cite a Bible verse on Wikipedia. – iridescent 23:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- I was, so Victuallers (talk) 09:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Cincinnati Riot of 1853
- … that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day?
This one is entirely Aymatth2's fault, as well. Uncle G (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT:... that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day? {Let's save this hook for use on X'mas.} --174.89.163.171 (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Andrew McKinley, Leon Lishner
- ... that Andrew McKinley, David Aiken, and Leon Lishner created the parts of the three kings in the world premiere of Menotti's Christmas opera Amahl and the Night Visitors which was broadcast live by NBC to an audience of millions on Christmas Eve 1951?
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Mark Miodownik
- ... that Mark Miodownik will deliver the first part of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures tonight?
Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
He will give the lectures, spanning a few days, in "late December". I think they usually start a few days before Christmas. 2009 event was 21–25 December. There'll be more info as the event approaches of course. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
- ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?
- ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?
Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification:
Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
--K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC) - Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
- Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC) - No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. SilverserenC 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification:
I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per Arsenikk. The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support I agree with NW, but don't think we need to IAR, considering that hooks are regularly kept back for months for the April fools and Halloween main pages. I don't think we should treat this any differently. Smartse (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 17:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Conditional support if, and only if, the squabble with the feds is over. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm worried that this is too obviously a matter of giving the FBI the proverbial finger than promoting something encyclopedic. I'm all for criticizing the FBI, but we shouldn't invoke exceptions to basic guidelines just to promote our own POV. It seems far more prudent to pull up your sleeves and make this a quickie FA or get it on "On this day". Peter Isotalo 10:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. ALT2 is a better hook than ALT1, but it would be better still on OTD than DYK (it would get more readers that way, as well). Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose - ALT1 is just a boost or peacock term on FBI. ALT2 is better, but I did not feel it to be so special to be included in DYK. -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 06:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per Arsenikk. Send to OTD instead. Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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