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==Take care using this tag== |
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If a website has a block of text on its web site and an editor copies it into Wikipedia in violation of copyright, and a 3rd party later copies it from the original source with permission, and the original source goes offline, it may <b>appear</b> that the 3rd party copied it from Wikipedia. |
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== Displaying multiple authors == |
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This is an attempt at describing what I am seeing. It looks like an error to me. Please advise if operator error in this case. |
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The same thing can happen if the original source changes URLs, such as after a company renames itself or gets acquired. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 17:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Talk:Portland, Oregon]] has this banner and there was a maintenance flag (green) for author= format. I tried several ways (author1=, 2, ect; vauthor=, and authorlist=) and the template either threw the flag or ignored authors (and date) all together. Attempted with only two as opposed to three with the same results. The current data in the parameter author= is the only way I could determine to display all three at once without it flagging to fix it. |
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== Underutilized == |
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If this causes confusion I apologize, I exhausted what occurred to me as a basic editor to solve the issue and felt it worth pointing out. ---> [[User:Darryl.P.Pike|Darryl.P.Pike]] ([[User talk:Darryl.P.Pike|talk]]) 18:40, 15 April 2018 (UTC) |
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As of 17:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC) this tag is not being transcluded into any article talk pages. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 17:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:I just noticed the maintence error is affecting the banner on this article at the bottom, for an example of the issue. ---> [[User:Darryl.P.Pike|Darryl.P.Pike]] ([[User talk:Darryl.P.Pike|talk]]) 18:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::Comparing the example banners in the article here itself, I believe the problem is if you list author2= it wants title2= and this might be linked to vauthor= and authorlist= as well. I did not test this, it is well past my realm of participation at this point. I would also note while I am here: No error flag at the top of the page when in preview that a parameter is being ignored or other problem like most templates I have worked with. Apologies for multiple posts. ---> [[User:Darryl.P.Pike|Darryl.P.Pike]] ([[User talk:Darryl.P.Pike|talk]]) 19:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Darryl.P.Pike}} There's a suggestion at [[Category talk:CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list#Template:Backwards copy]] that I'll try. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Linking multiple old ids == |
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::There needs to be a 3rd version: PossibleCopyVio, for cases where it is unclear what came from where. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 19:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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The template output links {{para|id}} but not {{para|id2}} for cases where different versions of an article were copied. (The current output suggests that {{para|id}} is the version that all backward copies were made from, which could cause confusion.) I used the comments section for a workaround in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Free_Comic_Book_Day&diff=1079953418&oldid=1079944610 this edit], where the oldids are linked in collapsed text. I think that's probably the best way to handle it, to avoid clutter. Should I update the template documentation to address this outlier case? I'm not sure it's worth 'fixing'. – [[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 14:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC) |
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==Version number as parameter== |
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As WP articles evolve through time, and it can sometimes be difficult to track down the version which has been copied from us, I would request the WP version number as an additional parameter for the template. For info, I spent quite a few hours trying to identify which version of [[Shaquille O'Neal]] was plagiarised (ie used without attribution). Please refer to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shaquille_O%27Neal&oldid=294357432#Copyright_violation discussion here]. I believe it would be helpful if the original version could be linked to in the template, for GFDL purposes for future reference. Also, in the above case, there were two sources of almost identical copying, so I have used two templates. I do not know how often this occurs, so will leave it to you to decide whether to create a multiple-source template. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 11:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:An optional parameter <code>id</code> has been added to the template - feel free to tweak further. – [[User:Sadalmelik|Sadalmelik]] [[User talk:Sadalmelik|☎]] 13:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== |authors= is discouraged == |
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==Slow up take== |
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Use of the cs1|2 parameter {{para|authors}} is discouraged; I'm slowly working my way through {{cl|CS1 maint: uses authors parameter}} and fixing those citations that use {{para|authors}} with the goal of removing support for that parameter. At [[Module:Backwards copy#L-61|line 61]] in [[Module:Backwards copy]], <code>authors</code> gets the value assigned to this template's {{para|authorlist{{var|n}}}}. At [[Module:Backwards_copy#L-91|line 91]] the module expands {{tlx|citation}} with {{para|authors}} ([[Module:Backwards_copy#L-94|line 94]]). |
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Should this be taged [[:Category:Copyright maintenance templates]] so that people can see it exists?--[[User:Aspro|Aspro]] ([[User talk:Aspro|talk]]) 20:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:Yes! Great idea. :) I'll leave you the honors. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 20:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC) |
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At [[Module:Backwards_copy#L-95|line 95]] the module fills the {{tld|citation}} parameter {{para|display-authors}}. Use of that parameter causes this template to emit a preview warning because it is not among the parameters listed as supported. {{para|display-authors}} only works with {{para|authors}} when the assigned value is <code>etal</code>; numeric values (which truncate the author name-list) cause [[Module:Citation/CS1]] to emit an error message: |
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:<code><nowiki>{{citation |title=Title |authors=First Author; Second Author; Third Author |display-authors=1 |year=2000}}</nowiki></code> |
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::{{citation |title=Title |authors=First Author; Second Author; Third Author |display-authors=1 |year=2000}} |
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The error message occurs because there are as many ways of writing free-form name lists as there are editors who write them (which is why {{para|authors}} is discouraged... |
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So what to do with this template? To me, it seems that the simple solution is to remove support for {{para|authorlist{{var|n}}}} and consequently <code>authors</code> in the module (lines 61, [[Module:Backwards copy#L-77|77–82]], and 94). Then, change the documentation for this template's {{para|author}} parameter so that it reads something like this: |
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I'd suggest the addition of a parameter to capture a linkage id for the copy, e.g. DOIs, ISBNs, OCLC numbers. Otherwise, must resort to using the comment field. [[User:LeadSongDog|LeadSongDog]] <small>[[User talk:LeadSongDog#top|<font color="red" face="Papyrus">come howl!</font>]]</small> 18:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''<code>author</code>''': author of the work being referred to; for works with multiple authors, provide only the first author's name and set {{para|display-authors|etal}} |
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Without objection, I shall modify the module to remove support for {{para|authorlist}} as described. Objections? |
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==Small v. Collapse== |
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I prefer the collapsed note section, since these notes can be very lengthy (as I know, having composed a few behemoths :)). I've reverted to the earlier version pending conversaion about the change; is there a reason that small should be preferred? --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 02:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC) |
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—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Only that I thought it worked better when considering that the template may now have comments, comments2, comments3, all of which apply to only a single listing. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]] <sup>[''[[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|Weasel?]] [[User_talk:Jarry1250|Discuss]].'']</sup> 18:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:There having been no objection, done. |
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:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 17:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Wording of the template when an ID is provided == |
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Currently when an ID is provided the template reads "Revisions succeeding [[example link | this version]] of this article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication." |
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1. This should probably be "Revisions succeeding this version of this article '''are''' substantially duplicated..." |
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2. Should it actually be "Revisions '''preceding''' this version"? The point of the ID is that it's to a version that predates the other work, and that the other work has duplicated things that were ''before'' a particular point (i.e. before the ID provided). |
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Why is this only set up for webpages? I'm trying to flag a reverse piece of plagiarism where text from two articles was lifted and put into a book; I would like to flag the ISBN in the template, but there doesn't seem to be a way. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Displaying multiple authors
This is an attempt at describing what I am seeing. It looks like an error to me. Please advise if operator error in this case.
Talk:Portland, Oregon has this banner and there was a maintenance flag (green) for author= format. I tried several ways (author1=, 2, ect; vauthor=, and authorlist=) and the template either threw the flag or ignored authors (and date) all together. Attempted with only two as opposed to three with the same results. The current data in the parameter author= is the only way I could determine to display all three at once without it flagging to fix it.
If this causes confusion I apologize, I exhausted what occurred to me as a basic editor to solve the issue and felt it worth pointing out. ---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 18:40, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- I just noticed the maintence error is affecting the banner on this article at the bottom, for an example of the issue. ---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 18:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comparing the example banners in the article here itself, I believe the problem is if you list author2= it wants title2= and this might be linked to vauthor= and authorlist= as well. I did not test this, it is well past my realm of participation at this point. I would also note while I am here: No error flag at the top of the page when in preview that a parameter is being ignored or other problem like most templates I have worked with. Apologies for multiple posts. ---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Darryl.P.Pike: There's a suggestion at Category talk:CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list#Template:Backwards copy that I'll try. GoingBatty (talk) 03:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comparing the example banners in the article here itself, I believe the problem is if you list author2= it wants title2= and this might be linked to vauthor= and authorlist= as well. I did not test this, it is well past my realm of participation at this point. I would also note while I am here: No error flag at the top of the page when in preview that a parameter is being ignored or other problem like most templates I have worked with. Apologies for multiple posts. ---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Linking multiple old ids
The template output links |id=
but not |id2=
for cases where different versions of an article were copied. (The current output suggests that |id=
is the version that all backward copies were made from, which could cause confusion.) I used the comments section for a workaround in this edit, where the oldids are linked in collapsed text. I think that's probably the best way to handle it, to avoid clutter. Should I update the template documentation to address this outlier case? I'm not sure it's worth 'fixing'. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
|authors= is discouraged
Use of the cs1|2 parameter |authors=
is discouraged; I'm slowly working my way through Category:CS1 maint: uses authors parameter and fixing those citations that use |authors=
with the goal of removing support for that parameter. At line 61 in Module:Backwards copy, authors
gets the value assigned to this template's |authorlistn=
. At line 91 the module expands {{citation}}
with |authors=
(line 94).
At line 95 the module fills the {{citation}}
parameter |display-authors=
. Use of that parameter causes this template to emit a preview warning because it is not among the parameters listed as supported. |display-authors=
only works with |authors=
when the assigned value is etal
; numeric values (which truncate the author name-list) cause Module:Citation/CS1 to emit an error message:
{{citation |title=Title |authors=First Author; Second Author; Third Author |display-authors=1 |year=2000}}
The error message occurs because there are as many ways of writing free-form name lists as there are editors who write them (which is why |authors=
is discouraged...
So what to do with this template? To me, it seems that the simple solution is to remove support for |authorlistn=
and consequently authors
in the module (lines 61, 77–82, and 94). Then, change the documentation for this template's |author=
parameter so that it reads something like this:
author
: author of the work being referred to; for works with multiple authors, provide only the first author's name and set|display-authors=etal
Without objection, I shall modify the module to remove support for |authorlist=
as described. Objections?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- There having been no objection, done.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Wording of the template when an ID is provided
Currently when an ID is provided the template reads "Revisions succeeding this version of this article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication."
1. This should probably be "Revisions succeeding this version of this article are substantially duplicated..."
2. Should it actually be "Revisions preceding this version"? The point of the ID is that it's to a version that predates the other work, and that the other work has duplicated things that were before a particular point (i.e. before the ID provided).
Ligaturama (talk) 15:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Books?
Why is this only set up for webpages? I'm trying to flag a reverse piece of plagiarism where text from two articles was lifted and put into a book; I would like to flag the ISBN in the template, but there doesn't seem to be a way. - SchroCat (talk) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)