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*[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] The DYK is clearly misleading and unsupported by the source, Even the source by SMSarmad above clearly say they are a group of separatists from [[Jamaat-e-Islami]] ( a pro pakistani party) and their political views on a sports ground do not represent the whole [[Kashmiri people|Kashmiri]] community.--''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">[[User:DBigXray|D<font color="#DA500B">Big</font>]][[User talk:DBigXray|X<font color="#10AD00">ray</font>]]</span>'' 17:43, 3 July 2012 (UTC) |
*[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] The DYK is clearly misleading and unsupported by the source, Even the source by SMSarmad above clearly say they are a group of separatists from [[Jamaat-e-Islami]] ( a pro pakistani party) and their political views on a sports ground do not represent the whole [[Kashmiri people|Kashmiri]] community.--''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">[[User:DBigXray|D<font color="#DA500B">Big</font>]][[User talk:DBigXray|X<font color="#10AD00">ray</font>]]</span>'' 17:43, 3 July 2012 (UTC) |
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*:Please don't falsify the facts, the above source does not say so, read it again. --[[User:Smsarmad|<span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span><span style="background:white;color:DodgerBlue">'''M'''</span><span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Smsarmad|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC) |
*:Please don't falsify the facts, the above source does not say so, read it again. --[[User:Smsarmad|<span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span><span style="background:white;color:DodgerBlue">'''M'''</span><span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Smsarmad|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::1) Do not falsify facts, 2) there are two hooks there, you've opposed it without addressing the second. 3) You edits on my DYK submissions are clear cut hounding. --<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:TopGun|<b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b>]] ([[User talk:TopGun|<b style="color:#000">talk</b>]])</span> 12:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Pakistan Zindabad
- ... that in a West Indies vs India ODI cricket match at Srinagar, Kashmiris cheered Indian defeat with Pakistan Zindabad cries?
Created/expanded by TopGun (talk), Smsarmad (talk). Nominated by TopGun (talk) at 09:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Indian Army in First Kashmir War isolated their own men by blowing off a bridge and retreating on false alarm of hearing Pakistan Zindabad cries over the Haji Pir pass? --SMS Talk 12:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- The source given for the first hook says something else. It clearly says that they were not Kashmiris, but Jamait-Tuleba, student wing of Jamait-Islami. The article also fails D6 of Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines, since there is a RfC going on the talk page. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Do you mean to say Jamait-Tuleba is ethincity? Being Kashmiri and being a member of a student organization are two different things. Besides the source no where says that they were not Kashmiris. And about D6, there is no edit warring at the article neither there is any tag there, unless someone put one after my comment. --SMS Talk 07:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- So you mean to say that Jamait-Tuleba are representatives of Kashmiris? Jamait-Tuleba is a extremist group, and you can't term a group as Kashmiri. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 08:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- This hook is highly misleading. Jamait-e-Tuleba is an extremist anti-Indian group. Please correct this hook, and alo the article. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 17:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't understand your exact point. We really should not care whether they are anti or pro to any country, the point here is they are a Kashmiri group. And the said incident is mentioned by a number of sources. See for yourself how Victoria Schofield described the incident. --SMS Talk 21:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Your hook is very misleading. Th thing is, they were a group, not an ethnicity. Why are you increasing the scope too much? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 06:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- But why are you just increasing the scope. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:51, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am not increasing the scope, that is why I added a neutral source for you to look for yourself, covering the event. --SMS Talk 16:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- The book is not available for review, quote the book if you have access. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:53, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- I am not increasing the scope, that is why I added a neutral source for you to look for yourself, covering the event. --SMS Talk 16:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- But why are you just increasing the scope. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:51, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- This hook is highly misleading. Jamait-e-Tuleba is an extremist anti-Indian group. Please correct this hook, and alo the article. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 17:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Kashmir In Conflict: India, Pakistan and the Unending War by Victoria Schofield, Page 132: "...In October 1983 much was made of a cricket match held in Srinagar between India and the West Indies. The Indian team was booed by the assembled crowd, and supporters of the Jamaat-e Islami waved their green party flags...". --SMS Talk 17:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- I have gone through some sources related to this cricket match, and from what I've read so far, there is nothing to indicate that only "Jamait-Tuleba" crowd was cheering Pakistan. Thus, calling the entire crowd as Jamait-Tuleba is probably WP:OR and improper synthesis. Mar4d (talk) 04:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- Comment This interesting event is also covered in a piece in OPEN (Indian magazine). According to the narrator, there were "deafening cries of Pakistan zindabad" and that the West Indies team couldn't figure out "why they had so much support on Indian soil." An Indian cricketer, Kirti Azad, remarked that "It was like playing in Pakistan against Pakistan." (That day in 1986) Mar4d (talk) 03:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- After reading through, the article appears to be of good length and has good sourcing too. The first hook on a cricket match in Kashmir is interesting and appropriate for DYK, and seems relevant to the context. From what I see, looks good to go. Mar4d (talk) 03:44, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- Please provide sources then. Its clear that supporters of an extremist group can be referred as "Kashmiris". I am still on the position that this hook is misleading. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- But when its regarding the main page, sorry, I can't drop it. I don't wont our readers to be misled. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:17, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- The DYK is clearly misleading and unsupported by the source, Even the source by SMSarmad above clearly say they are a group of separatists from Jamaat-e-Islami ( a pro pakistani party) and their political views on a sports ground do not represent the whole Kashmiri community.--DBigXray 17:43, 3 July 2012 (UTC)