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:::::: The article follows the language in mainstream English language [[WP:RS]]es. Disliking what a RS says? Write their editor a letter, we follow sources here. [[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 07:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC) |
:::::: The article follows the language in mainstream English language [[WP:RS]]es. Disliking what a RS says? Write their editor a letter, we follow sources here. [[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 07:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::It actually doesn't. SYNTH isn't an issue with reliability of sources but how these sources are used, for example. Additionally, some of the sources you are attempting to use are clearly not RS in this case. Are you seriously claimig that "the Home Army was a driving force behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in which Christian and Jewish Poles rose up against Nazi occupiers"? Yeah? Then go put that in the [[Warsaw Ghetto Uprising]] article. Either that, or admit that this is nonsense and the source is obviously junk.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 07:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC) |
:::::::It actually doesn't. SYNTH isn't an issue with reliability of sources but how these sources are used, for example. Additionally, some of the sources you are attempting to use are clearly not RS in this case. Are you seriously claimig that "the Home Army was a driving force behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in which Christian and Jewish Poles rose up against Nazi occupiers"? Yeah? Then go put that in the [[Warsaw Ghetto Uprising]] article. Either that, or admit that this is nonsense and the source is obviously junk.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 07:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::If the sources are clearly wrong, reliability is not relevant. Again, did they fly from Poland to NYC? If not, they are not Polish, but Polish-American. Anyway, singling out a nationality or ethnicity for a hook is not a best practice. While we work out the NPOV/sourcing issues with the article itself, I recommend a non-controversial hook. Here's ALT2 for example. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 09:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:ALT2: ...that '''[[Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017]]''' requires US State Department to monitor how European countries are compensating Holocaust survivors and their heirs for assets seized by war and post-war governments? |
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Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017
- ... that in March 2019 Polish nationalists, carrying antisemitic signs, protested in Foley Square (NYC) against the Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017? sources: [1][2][3][4]
- ALT1:... that in March 2019 Polish nationalists holding antisemitic signs protested in New York City against the Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017?
Created by Icewhiz (talk). Self-nominated at 08:01, 3 April 2019 (UTC).
Date and length fine. I am approving ALT1 only as I think it's more recognisable and doesn't use acronyms. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing. Good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:24, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Object, the hook has clear NPOV issues (Polish nationalists), same for the article, which is rather one sided and suffers from neutrality/undue issues. I'll explain more on article's talk, but the hook is also misleading. The "nationalists" were, at the very least, Polish American, not Polish - unless the Polish government flew in a few hundreds demonstrators from Poland...? PS. I do think that the topic is interesting, but we need a different hook, and the article needs an NPOV c/e and source review. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:20, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- WP:OR aside, multiple WP:RSes describe them as such -
"Polish Nationalists staged a demonstration in New York"
[5]"A large group of Polish nationalists took over a major square in downtown Manhattan
[6],"Polish nationalists protested in New York City against a bill"
[7]. Calling them "Polish American" would be borderline OR - though JC does have that in an image caption (using "Polish Nationalists" otherwise) - and possibly imply that these groups represent in some manner Polish Americans at large (which I assume they most definitely do not).Icewhiz (talk) 06:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- The article has ton of other problems - at least in your version of it - in addition to that one, like WP:SYNTH, use of crappy sources which make obviously outlandish and false claims ("The Home Army was a driving force behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in which Christian and Jewish Poles rose up against Nazi occupiers"), and hyperbolic POV language. It's nowhere near ready for DYK.Volunteer Marek (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- The article follows the language in mainstream English language WP:RSes. Disliking what a RS says? Write their editor a letter, we follow sources here. Icewhiz (talk) 07:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- It actually doesn't. SYNTH isn't an issue with reliability of sources but how these sources are used, for example. Additionally, some of the sources you are attempting to use are clearly not RS in this case. Are you seriously claimig that "the Home Army was a driving force behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in which Christian and Jewish Poles rose up against Nazi occupiers"? Yeah? Then go put that in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising article. Either that, or admit that this is nonsense and the source is obviously junk.Volunteer Marek (talk) 07:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- The article follows the language in mainstream English language WP:RSes. Disliking what a RS says? Write their editor a letter, we follow sources here. Icewhiz (talk) 07:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- The article has ton of other problems - at least in your version of it - in addition to that one, like WP:SYNTH, use of crappy sources which make obviously outlandish and false claims ("The Home Army was a driving force behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in which Christian and Jewish Poles rose up against Nazi occupiers"), and hyperbolic POV language. It's nowhere near ready for DYK.Volunteer Marek (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- WP:OR aside, multiple WP:RSes describe them as such -
- If the sources are clearly wrong, reliability is not relevant. Again, did they fly from Poland to NYC? If not, they are not Polish, but Polish-American. Anyway, singling out a nationality or ethnicity for a hook is not a best practice. While we work out the NPOV/sourcing issues with the article itself, I recommend a non-controversial hook. Here's ALT2 for example. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- ALT2: ...that Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017 requires US State Department to monitor how European countries are compensating Holocaust survivors and their heirs for assets seized by war and post-war governments?