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World War II
What?! What does the Second World War have to do with anything? Willie Mays didn't start playing professional baseball until 1950, when he was 17! -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zoe (talk • contribs) 13:29, 17 July 2002.
- If anything, the War helped him come closer--Williams fought in both World War II and Korea, and likely would have posted more records if he'd been playing ball in those years. Vicki Rosenzweig
I apoligize
My apologies -- I'm English, I watch cricket, I know nothing. Maybe I was thinking of the time he spent in the Army, or maybe I was thinking of Elvis, or something. I'm glad the page got improved. Mswake
Controversy Regarding Mays
In my town of Hagerstown, MD, there was this controversy involving Mays recently. The mayor wanted to pay homage to him by renaming this street after him as an apology for the way he was treated here a long while ago. The thing that the mayor really didn't think of was that the street was called Memorial Blvd., which got a negative response from many people (obviously the veterans were very upset) and our local newspaper received numerous letters with disgust for the whole idea. Now we're viewed by some as racist, but I think the whole thing is pathetic. I don't know, maybe someone could research a little more, as I'm not too clear on the whole deal.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.89.7.138 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 1 June 2005.
I added paragraphs in the pertinent areas about the subject. Looks like the mayor needs a little PR help.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.213.16.180 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 4 May 2006.
His value against his contemporaries
It is probably beyond the scope of an encylopedia article to solve a question like that. If we were to analyze it by modern sabermetric standards, we would first consider that center fielders as a group hit worse than left and right fielders, because center field is harder to play, and there is a smaller pool of players who can do it. Thus, if a center fielder and a right fielder have exactly the same batting statistics, the center fielder actually creates more value for his team. A given level of hitting might only be 25 runs better than the typical right fielder, but the same level of hitting might be 50 runs better than the typical right fielder. Aaron was a right fielder, while Mays was of course a center fielder.
Similarly, any comparison of players from different eras, such as Mays to Ty Cobb, has to take into account the differing levels of offense that may have prevailed in each era, as well as the size of the player pool in each era. Cobb's era, for example, excluded all black players from the Major Leagues.
Trying to definitively rank Mays among such players would require a very long article, and would be an exercise on controversy and frustration.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.105.150.197 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 30 January 2007.
Article shortening
Per the recent peer review discussion, I am currently in the process of trimming the article. Some stuff is easier to condense than others, so I plan to list stuff that we might want to reincorporate in this section, just so it is not lost. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 22:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
When Mays first joined the Giants, Forbes made arrangements for him to stay with David and Anna Goosby, who lived on St. Nicholas Avenue and 151st Street.(Barra, p. 157) Just before his marriage in 1956, he bought a home near Columbia University in Upper Manhattan. Mays and Sahadi, p. 134 When the Giants moved to San Francisco, Mays bought a house in the Sherwood Woods neighborhood adjacent to St. Francis Wood, San Francisco in 1957. Kelley, T.; VerPlanck, C.; Williams, Al (2016). "African American Historic Context Statement" (PDF). San Francisco Planning Department. Archived from the original (PDF) on April 19, 2019. Retrieved November 12, 2019. The purchase was initially met with backlash from neighbors who urged developer Walter Gnesdiloff to reconsider the repercussions "if colored people moved in". Kelley ref LaBounty, Woody (August 2000). "Streetwise: Willie Mays". OutsideLands.org. Retrieved July 3, 2020. When mayor George Christopher heard Mays had been denied housing, he offered to share his house with Mays and his wife until they could get one. LaBounty Ultimately, Mays and his wife moved into the house in November 1957, and Mays wrote that when a brick was thrown through the window, "Some neighbors actually called to ask if they could help. So I didn't feel concerned about racial tensions in my neighborhood once the [1958] season was about to start." Mays and Sahadi, pp. 146–47 They only lived there for two years before moving back to New York. Mays and Sahadi, p. 154 However, in 1963, Mays bought a house at 54 Mendosa Avenue in Forest Hill. He was more immediately welcomed in this San Francisco neighborhood, as the homeowners association helped him throw a block party shortly after he moved in. LaBounty In 1969, he purchased a house in Atherton, California. Hirsch, p. 503 Linge, p. 151 As of 1987, he owned four houses, and a San Francisco Chronicle article from 2000 reported that Mays still lived in Atherton. Hirsch, p. 543 Dickey, Glen (June 9, 2000). Fans Must Learn To Let Go of Stars. Retrieved August 16, 2020. {{cite book}}
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Negro League update
It seems his stats haven’t been updated by collating those from the NL and ML, given the news on that today. I assume this hasn’t been done yet for the others who played both leagues. Rongaul (talk) 05:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Statistical sites such as Baseball-Reference or MLB's own have not yet been updated to reflect this change, either. I'd say wait for them to be altered to update the stats. Otherwise, we don't have a good source to cite to. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Suggestion to link short footnotes
I don't want to mess with the established style before checking here, but I noticed that the short footnotes are not linked to the full citations. This can easily lead to difficult-to-detect errors like the ones I just stumbled across, two short footnotes referring to "Berra, p. xx". There is no full source by anyone named "Berra". Using {{sfn}} would make such errors visible and make it easier for readers to link from short footnotes to each full citation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)