Cleanup banners |
m Maintain {{WPBS}} and vital articles: 5 WikiProject template(s). Merge {{VA}} into {{WPBS}}. Keep the rating of {{VA}} "GA" in {{WPBS}}. Remove the same ratings as {{WPBS}} and keep only the dissimilar ones from {{WikiProject Alabama}}, {{WikiProject Baseball}}, {{WikiProject Biography}}, {{WikiProject African diaspora}}. |
||
(7 intermediate revisions by 6 users not shown) | |||
Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
{{Talk header|archive_age=180|archive_bot=Lowercase sigmabot III}} |
|||
⚫ | |||
{{talkheader}} |
|||
{{Article history |
{{Article history |
||
| action1 = GAN |
| action1 = GAN |
||
Line 26: | Line 25: | ||
|action4oldid=1016973183 |
|action4oldid=1016973183 |
||
|action5 = FAC |
|||
|action5date = 2021-06-25 |
|||
⚫ | |||
|action5result = failed |
|||
|action5oldid = 1030085724 |
|||
| currentstatus = FFAC/GA |
| currentstatus = FFAC/GA |
||
| topic= Sports |
| topic= Sports |
||
}} |
}} |
||
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|blp=yes|1= |
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|blp=yes|class=GA|vital=yes|living=yes|listas=Mays, Willie|1= |
||
{{WikiProject Alabama |
{{WikiProject Alabama}} |
||
{{WikiProject Baseball|halloffame=yes|halloffame-importance=top |
{{WikiProject Baseball|mets=y|halloffame=yes|halloffame-importance=top|importance=top|negrolg=yes|negrolg-importance=top}} |
||
{{WikiProject Biography |
{{WikiProject Biography|sports-priority=top|sports-work-group=yes}} |
||
{{WikiProject African diaspora |
{{WikiProject African diaspora}} |
||
{{ |
{{WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors|user=Twofingered Typist|date=May 23, 2021}} |
||
}} |
}} |
||
{{Vital article|level=4|topic=People|class=GA}} |
|||
{{Annual readership|days=180}} |
{{Annual readership|days=180}} |
||
{{Auto archiving notice|bot=Lowercase sigmabot III|age=180|dounreplied=yes}} |
|||
{{User:MiszaBot/config |
{{User:MiszaBot/config |
||
| algo=old(180d) |
| algo=old(180d) |
||
Line 49: | Line 52: | ||
}} |
}} |
||
==World War II== |
|||
What?! What does the Second World War have to do with anything? Willie Mays didn't start playing professional baseball until 1950, when he was 17! -- <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Zoe|Zoe]] ([[User talk:Zoe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zoe|contribs]]){{#if:13:29, 17 July 2002| 13:29, 17 July 2002|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
|||
::If anything, the War helped him come closer--Williams fought in both World War II and Korea, and likely would have posted more records if he'd been playing ball in those years. [[user:Vicki Rosenzweig|Vicki Rosenzweig]] |
|||
==I apoligize== |
|||
My apologies -- I'm English, I watch cricket, I know nothing. Maybe I was thinking of the time he spent in the Army, or maybe I was thinking of Elvis, or something. I'm glad the page got improved. [[user:Mswake|Mswake]] |
|||
::He did serve in the Korean War, maybe that's what you were thinking of. Ted Williams did lose all of 1943, 1944, 1945 and most of 1952 and 1953 to military service.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dze27|Dze27]] ([[User talk:Dze27|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dze27|contribs]]){{#if:14:13, 18 July 2002| 14:13, 18 July 2002|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
|||
== Controversy Regarding Mays == |
|||
In my town of Hagerstown, MD, there was this controversy involving Mays recently. The mayor wanted to pay homage to him by renaming this street after him as an apology for the way he was treated here a long while ago. The thing that the mayor really didn't think of was that the street was called Memorial Blvd., which got a negative response from many people (obviously the veterans were very upset) and our local newspaper received numerous letters with disgust for the whole idea. Now we're viewed by some as racist, but I think the whole thing is pathetic. I don't know, maybe someone could research a little more, as I'm not too clear on the whole deal.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:24.89.7.138|24.89.7.138]] ([[User talk:24.89.7.138|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.89.7.138|contribs]]){{#if:06:45, 1 June 2005| 06:45, 1 June 2005|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
|||
I added paragraphs in the pertinent areas about the subject. Looks like the mayor needs a little PR help.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:66.213.16.180|66.213.16.180]] ([[User talk:66.213.16.180|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/66.213.16.180|contribs]]){{#if:18:02, 4 May 2006| 18:02, 4 May 2006|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
|||
==His value against his contemporaries== |
|||
It is probably beyond the scope of an encylopedia article to solve a question like that. If we were to analyze it by modern sabermetric standards, we would first consider that center fielders as a group hit worse than left and right fielders, because center field is harder to play, and there is a smaller pool of players who can do it. Thus, if a center fielder and a right fielder have exactly the same batting statistics, the center fielder actually creates more value for his team. A given level of hitting might only be 25 runs better than the typical right fielder, but the same level of hitting might be 50 runs better than the typical right fielder. Aaron was a right fielder, while Mays was of course a center fielder. |
|||
Similarly, any comparison of players from different eras, such as Mays to Ty Cobb, has to take into account the differing levels of offense that may have prevailed in each era, as well as the size of the player pool in each era. Cobb's era, for example, excluded all black players from the Major Leagues. |
|||
Trying to definitively rank Mays among such players would require a very long article, and would be an exercise on controversy and frustration.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:12.105.150.197|12.105.150.197]] ([[User talk:12.105.150.197|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/12.105.150.197|contribs]]){{#if:18:56, 30 January 2007| 18:56, 30 January 2007|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
|||
==Article shortening== |
==Article shortening== |
||
Per the recent peer review discussion, I am currently in the process of trimming the article. Some stuff is easier to condense than others, so I plan to list stuff that we might want to reincorporate in this section, just so it is not lost. [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17|talk]]) 22:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC) |
Per the recent peer review discussion, I am currently in the process of trimming the article. Some stuff is easier to condense than others, so I plan to list stuff that we might want to reincorporate in this section, just so it is not lost. [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17|talk]]) 22:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC) |
||
When Mays first joined the Giants, Forbes made arrangements for him to stay with David and Anna Goosby, who lived on St. Nicholas Avenue and 151st Street.(Barra, p. 157) Just before his marriage in 1956, he bought a home near [[Columbia University]] in Upper Manhattan. Mays and Sahadi, p. 134 When the Giants moved to San Francisco, Mays bought a house in the Sherwood Woods neighborhood adjacent to [[St. Francis Wood, San Francisco]] in 1957. {{cite web|last1=Kelley|first1=T.|last2=VerPlanck|first2=C.|last3=Williams|first3=Al|date=2016|title=African American Historic Context Statement|access-date=November 12, 2019 |work=San Francisco Planning Department |url=https://default.sfplanning.org/Preservation/african_american_HCS/AfricanAmericanHistoricContextStatement_Draft_Jan2016.pdf|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190419101944/http://default.sfplanning.org/Preservation/african_american_HCS/AfricanAmericanHistoricContextStatement_Draft_Jan2016.pdf |archive-date=April 19, 2019 }} The purchase was initially met with backlash from neighbors who urged developer Walter Gnesdiloff to reconsider the repercussions "if colored people moved in". Kelley ref {{cite web|last=LaBounty|first=Woody|url=http://www.outsidelands.org/sw5.php |title=Streetwise: Willie Mays|work=OutsideLands.org|date=August 2000|access-date=July 3, 2020}} When mayor [[George Christopher]] heard Mays had been denied housing, he offered to share his house with Mays and his wife until they could get one. LaBounty Ultimately, Mays and his wife moved into the house in November 1957, and Mays wrote that when a brick was thrown through the window, "Some neighbors actually called to ask if they could help. So I didn't feel concerned about racial tensions in my neighborhood once the [1958] season was about to start." Mays and Sahadi, pp. 146–47 They only lived there for two years before moving back to New York. Mays and Sahadi, p. 154 However, in 1963, Mays bought a house at 54 Mendosa Avenue in [[Forest Hill, San Francisco|Forest Hill]]. He was more immediately welcomed in this San Francisco neighborhood, as the homeowners association helped him throw a block party shortly after he moved in. LaBounty In 1969, he purchased a house in [[Atherton, California]]. Hirsch, p. 503 Linge, p. 151 As of 1987, he owned four houses, and a ''San Francisco Chronicle'' article from 2000 reported that Mays still lived in Atherton. Hirsch, p. 543 {{cite work|first=Glen |last=Dickey |url=https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Fans-Must-Learn-To-Let-Go-of-Stars-2755911.php |title=Fans Must Learn To Let Go of Stars |work=The San Francisco Chronicle |date=June 9, 2000 |accessdate=August 16, 2020}} |
When Mays first joined the Giants, Forbes made arrangements for him to stay with David and Anna Goosby, who lived on St. Nicholas Avenue and 151st Street.(Barra, p. 157) Just before his marriage in 1956, he bought a home near [[Columbia University]] in Upper Manhattan. Mays and Sahadi, p. 134 When the Giants moved to San Francisco, Mays bought a house in the Sherwood Woods neighborhood adjacent to [[St. Francis Wood, San Francisco]] in 1957. {{cite web|last1=Kelley|first1=T.|last2=VerPlanck|first2=C.|last3=Williams|first3=Al|date=2016|title=African American Historic Context Statement|access-date=November 12, 2019 |work=San Francisco Planning Department |url=https://default.sfplanning.org/Preservation/african_american_HCS/AfricanAmericanHistoricContextStatement_Draft_Jan2016.pdf|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190419101944/http://default.sfplanning.org/Preservation/african_american_HCS/AfricanAmericanHistoricContextStatement_Draft_Jan2016.pdf |archive-date=April 19, 2019 }} The purchase was initially met with backlash from neighbors who urged developer Walter Gnesdiloff to reconsider the repercussions "if colored people moved in". Kelley ref {{cite web|last=LaBounty|first=Woody|url=http://www.outsidelands.org/sw5.php |title=Streetwise: Willie Mays|work=OutsideLands.org|date=August 2000|access-date=July 3, 2020}} When mayor [[George Christopher]] heard Mays had been denied housing, he offered to share his house with Mays and his wife until they could get one. LaBounty Ultimately, Mays and his wife moved into the house in November 1957, and Mays wrote that when a brick was thrown through the window, "Some neighbors actually called to ask if they could help. So I didn't feel concerned about racial tensions in my neighborhood once the [1958] season was about to start." Mays and Sahadi, pp. 146–47 They only lived there for two years before moving back to New York. Mays and Sahadi, p. 154 However, in 1963, Mays bought a house at 54 Mendosa Avenue in [[Forest Hill, San Francisco|Forest Hill]]. He was more immediately welcomed in this San Francisco neighborhood, as the homeowners association helped him throw a block party shortly after he moved in. LaBounty In 1969, he purchased a house in [[Atherton, California]]. Hirsch, p. 503 Linge, p. 151 As of 1987, he owned four houses, and a ''San Francisco Chronicle'' article from 2000 reported that Mays still lived in Atherton. Hirsch, p. 543 {{cite work|first=Glen |last=Dickey |url=https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Fans-Must-Learn-To-Let-Go-of-Stars-2755911.php |title=Fans Must Learn To Let Go of Stars |work=The San Francisco Chronicle |date=June 9, 2000 |accessdate=August 16, 2020}} <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanfranciscogiants17|contribs]]) 22:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)</span> |
||
== Negro League update == |
== Negro League update == |
||
Line 86: | Line 67: | ||
I don't want to mess with the established style before checking here, but I noticed that the short footnotes are not linked to the full citations. This can easily lead to difficult-to-detect errors like the ones I just stumbled across, two short footnotes referring to "Berra, p. xx". There is no full source by anyone named "Berra". Using {{tl|sfn}} would make such errors visible and make it easier for readers to link from short footnotes to each full citation. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC) |
I don't want to mess with the established style before checking here, but I noticed that the short footnotes are not linked to the full citations. This can easily lead to difficult-to-detect errors like the ones I just stumbled across, two short footnotes referring to "Berra, p. xx". There is no full source by anyone named "Berra". Using {{tl|sfn}} would make such errors visible and make it easier for readers to link from short footnotes to each full citation. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC) |
||
== How many All Stars? == |
|||
It says he was a 24-time All-Star, from 1954-1973, but that's only 19 years. What is the truth? [[Special:Contributions/24.142.68.214|24.142.68.214]] ([[User talk:24.142.68.214|talk]]) 06:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC) |
|||
:From [[Major League Baseball All-Star Game#All-Star Game scheduling]]: "There were two All-Star Games played each season from 1959 through 1962. The second game was added to raise money for the MLB players' pension funds, as well as other causes. The experiment was later abandoned on the grounds that having two games watered down the appeal of the event." Rgrds. --[[User:Bison X|Bison X]] ([[User talk:Bison X|talk]]) 13:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 03:56, 5 January 2024
Willie Mays is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Willie Mays has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This level-4 vital article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Article shortening
Per the recent peer review discussion, I am currently in the process of trimming the article. Some stuff is easier to condense than others, so I plan to list stuff that we might want to reincorporate in this section, just so it is not lost. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 22:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
When Mays first joined the Giants, Forbes made arrangements for him to stay with David and Anna Goosby, who lived on St. Nicholas Avenue and 151st Street.(Barra, p. 157) Just before his marriage in 1956, he bought a home near Columbia University in Upper Manhattan. Mays and Sahadi, p. 134 When the Giants moved to San Francisco, Mays bought a house in the Sherwood Woods neighborhood adjacent to St. Francis Wood, San Francisco in 1957. Kelley, T.; VerPlanck, C.; Williams, Al (2016). "African American Historic Context Statement" (PDF). San Francisco Planning Department. Archived from the original (PDF) on April 19, 2019. Retrieved November 12, 2019. The purchase was initially met with backlash from neighbors who urged developer Walter Gnesdiloff to reconsider the repercussions "if colored people moved in". Kelley ref LaBounty, Woody (August 2000). "Streetwise: Willie Mays". OutsideLands.org. Retrieved July 3, 2020. When mayor George Christopher heard Mays had been denied housing, he offered to share his house with Mays and his wife until they could get one. LaBounty Ultimately, Mays and his wife moved into the house in November 1957, and Mays wrote that when a brick was thrown through the window, "Some neighbors actually called to ask if they could help. So I didn't feel concerned about racial tensions in my neighborhood once the [1958] season was about to start." Mays and Sahadi, pp. 146–47 They only lived there for two years before moving back to New York. Mays and Sahadi, p. 154 However, in 1963, Mays bought a house at 54 Mendosa Avenue in Forest Hill. He was more immediately welcomed in this San Francisco neighborhood, as the homeowners association helped him throw a block party shortly after he moved in. LaBounty In 1969, he purchased a house in Atherton, California. Hirsch, p. 503 Linge, p. 151 As of 1987, he owned four houses, and a San Francisco Chronicle article from 2000 reported that Mays still lived in Atherton. Hirsch, p. 543 Dickey, Glen (June 9, 2000). Fans Must Learn To Let Go of Stars. Retrieved August 16, 2020. {{cite book}}
: |work=
ignored (help) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Negro League update
It seems his stats haven’t been updated by collating those from the NL and ML, given the news on that today. I assume this hasn’t been done yet for the others who played both leagues. Rongaul (talk) 05:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Statistical sites such as Baseball-Reference or MLB's own have not yet been updated to reflect this change, either. I'd say wait for them to be altered to update the stats. Otherwise, we don't have a good source to cite to. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Suggestion to link short footnotes
I don't want to mess with the established style before checking here, but I noticed that the short footnotes are not linked to the full citations. This can easily lead to difficult-to-detect errors like the ones I just stumbled across, two short footnotes referring to "Berra, p. xx". There is no full source by anyone named "Berra". Using {{sfn}} would make such errors visible and make it easier for readers to link from short footnotes to each full citation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
How many All Stars?
It says he was a 24-time All-Star, from 1954-1973, but that's only 19 years. What is the truth? 24.142.68.214 (talk) 06:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- From Major League Baseball All-Star Game#All-Star Game scheduling: "There were two All-Star Games played each season from 1959 through 1962. The second game was added to raise money for the MLB players' pension funds, as well as other causes. The experiment was later abandoned on the grounds that having two games watered down the appeal of the event." Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)