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Hence the claim is not supported by the sources cited. There is no evidence for any "considerable African ancestry" for the Canary Islanders. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 10:22, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
Hence the claim is not supported by the sources cited. There is no evidence for any "considerable African ancestry" for the Canary Islanders. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 10:22, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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Are you joking [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] or are you just trying to be annoying? I notice you are tracking me and reverting my edits on a range of issues (bullfighting etc...), including this one which you clearly don't know of or understand. If you have a personal issue with me please let me know in a more constructive way. I don't remember ever having engaged with you, unless you have another account. [[User:Asilah1981|Asilah1981]] ([[User talk:Asilah1981|talk]]) 13:14, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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Orphaned references in White Puerto Rican
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Reference named "Graces2":
- From Corsican immigration to Puerto Rico: Archivo General de Puerto Rico: Documentos Retrieved August 3, 2007
- From Royal Decree of Graces of 1815: Archivo General de Puerto Rico: Documentos
- From Yauco, Puerto Rico: "Archivo General de Puerto Rico: Documentos". Retrieved August 3, 2007.
- From Irish immigration to Puerto Rico: Archivo General de Puerto Rico: Documentos, Retrieved November 29, 2008
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Yandel is a white Puerto Rican?
Really? His brother Gadiel definitely doesn't look white.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.201.219 (talk) 02:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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European
Not that I feel the need to discuss this. The Canary Islands, the main origin of puerto rico, are NOT in Europe. They are off the coast off the Western Sahara, even further south than Morocco proper. Canary Islanders are descendants of both Andalusian settlers and local indigenous Guanches. The Guanches, in any case, were genetically and culturally an African Berber people. Hence, caucasian, not european is correct. Asilah1981 (talk) 21:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- You should feel the need to discuss this. Because you are wrong on both sides of your argument. 1, please see Canary Islands#Demographics as you have already clearly been asked to check. It is unambiguously stated there that most Canary Islanders are European. 2, please see Caucasus and tell me how near or far any part of Europe is to the Canary Islands compared to that distant region of Asia. 3, please see Caucasian -- a disambiguation page that does not support any of your definitions of "Caucasian" -- this is called Original Research and has no purpose here. The correct and unambiguous terms are either "European" if you mean someone from Europe (such as people from the Canary Islands are) or "White" if you mean someone who is white (such as people from the Canary Islands are). Lastly, do keep in mind that "Africa" is not a small, isolated nation full of dark-skinned people that you see on TV but a diverse continent full of many different peoples and cultures, and, yes, skin colors. And that people from North Africa in general, including Morocco, are also usually considered to be White people. Please stop reverting the page to support your OR. Nowhere on wikipedia or off is it said that the mixture of a North African population with a European one is called "Caucasian", that is either an outdated word for White people, or a specific reference to a region and its population. Most important of all, respect what the source says. JesseRafe (talk) 21:46, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok,JesseRafe lets see.... Canary Islanders (a place I know very well and have been to multiple times) are NOT mostly European (ethnically), they are genetically a mixture of the indigenous African Guanche people and European settlers. They do not consider themselves European except in the sense that they belong to the European Union, have European citizenship and are hispanic. I have no issue with the term White People (although in much of the western world - particularly the Anglo and French speaking world - North Africans are not considered white. Our main issue is caucasian. I use this term because European is obviously factually incorrect, and white seems too restrictive a term in the english language. Caucasian is a word which includes the peoples of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. It is not outdated and still in common use in the US, it also lacks the identity connotations of "white". In the Canary Islands, people are generally Caucasian of mixed European and African (and significant sub-saharan) ancestry). There is just no way around it my friend. No need to explain Africa to me I know the continent well. In Sudan or Mauritania, people who are blacker than 90% of those who consider themselves black in the US are considered white by neighboring ethnicities.
To summarize: European is wrong, White is ok but problematic. Asilah1981 (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Btw,JesseRafe why are you asking me to check Canary Islands#Demographics?? You seem slightly confused on this topic to me.Asilah1981 (talk) 22:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- To summarize: HOW MANY TIMES MUST I LINK YOU TO THE CAUCASIAN PAGE BEFORE YOU READ IT INSTEAD OF JUST GUESSING WHAT IT SAYS? European is correct, White is correct, Caucasian is wrong. And please, seriously, where in the world did this "African+European=Caucasian" thing come from??? Look at ANY of the articles we are discussing. STOP doing original research. Why am I asking you to check that page? Are you kidding me? So that you read it!!! This is not about your opinion on who is black or white or how well you know an area. JesseRafe (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
JesseRafe Lets tone it down a bit ok? I just saw you are right that the article Caucasian race is a bit dodgy (I dont like the word race either)- you can see why I used it though from the map provided in the article. Also, I read the link Canary Islands#Demographics and where does it say they are European? I mean they are Spanish citizens so legally they are European much as people in French Guayana are but thats that...Asilah1981 (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Also JesseRafewhat about a Puerto Rican of Lebanese descent? They are considered white in Latin America but not European. Do you not see the problem with the definition here?Asilah1981 (talk) 22:27, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Canary Islands.
Many have African ancestry as well, particularly since Canary Islanders who colonized the island from Spain already had considerable African ancestry inherited from ancestral Guanche populations.
- Pino-Yanes, María; Corrales, Almudena; Basaldúa, Santiago; Hernández, Alexis; Guerra, Luisa; Villar, Jesús; Flores, Carlos (2011). O'Rourke, Dennis (ed.). "North African Influences and Potential Bias in Case-Control Association Studies in the Spanish Population". PLoS ONE. 6 (3): e18389. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0018389. PMC 3068190. PMID 21479138.
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- "We found significant differences for the Northwest African influence among Spanish populations from as low as ≈5% in Spanish from the Iberian Peninsula to as much as ≈17% in Canary Islanders, whereas the sub-Saharan African influence was negligible."
- Fregel, Rosa; Pestano, Jose; Arnay, Matilde; Cabrera, Vicente M; Larruga, Jose M; González, Ana M (2009). "The maternal aborigine colonization of La Palma (Canary Islands)". European Journal of Human Genetics. 17 (10): 1314–24. doi:10.1038/ejhg.2009.46. PMC 2986650. PMID 19337312.
- "The majority of lineages (93%) were from West Eurasian origin, being the rest (7%) from sub-Saharan African ascription."
- Juan C. Martínez Cruzado (2002). "The Use of Mitochondrial DNA to Discover Pre-Columbian Migrations to the Caribbean: Results for Puerto Rico and Expectations for the Dominican Republic" (PDF). Journal of Caribbean Amerindian History and Anthropology. ISSN 1562-5028.
- "We find strong statistical evidence of recent selection in three chromosomal regions, including the human leukocyte antigen region on chromosome 6p, chromosome 8q, and chromosome 11q." No word about the Canary Islands.
- Puerto Rico – DP-1. Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 2000(DEAD LINK)
- Recent Genetic Selection in the Ancestral Admixture of Puerto Ricans. American Journal of Human Genetics. (2007).</ref><ref name=Ancestry>Martínez Cruzado, Juan C. (2002). "The Use of Mitochondrial DNA to Discover Pre-Columbian Migrations to the Caribbean: Results for Puerto Rico and Expectations for the Dominican Republic". KACIKE: The Journal of Caribbean Amerindian History and Anthropology [On-line Journal], Special Issue, Lynne Guitar, Ed. Available at: http://www.kacike.org/MartinezEnglish.pdf [Date of access: 25 September 2006]
- Bonilla C, Shriver MD, Parra EJ, Jones A, Fernández JR (2004). "Ancestral proportions and their association with skin pigmentation and bone mineral density in Puerto Rican women from New York city" (PDF). Hum. Genet. 115 (1): 57–68. doi:10.1007/s00439-004-1125-7. PMID 15118905. Retrieved 30 May 2008.[dead link]
Hence the claim is not supported by the sources cited. There is no evidence for any "considerable African ancestry" for the Canary Islanders. Kleuske (talk) 10:22, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Are you joking Kleuske or are you just trying to be annoying? I notice you are tracking me and reverting my edits on a range of issues (bullfighting etc...), including this one which you clearly don't know of or understand. If you have a personal issue with me please let me know in a more constructive way. I don't remember ever having engaged with you, unless you have another account. Asilah1981 (talk) 13:14, 6 June 2016 (UTC)