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Any suggestions on how we can use this information in the article ? --[[User:LucVerhelst|LucVerhelst]] 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC) |
Any suggestions on how we can use this information in the article ? --[[User:LucVerhelst|LucVerhelst]] 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC) |
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I can tell you that Intangible is right on this point. Gerolf and the fellow posters do not know what neocons are. However, it is always nice for a party accused of racism to try to connect with a more moderate group like the neocons, and it is also nice for a left-wing newspaper to connect a racist group with a main movement in the United States. So, I will look up the interview with Paul Beliën in which he cleary denies any link or connection with the USA and the Vlaams Belang. (and Beliën is a credible source here)--[[User:Portalis|Portalis]] 13:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== Electorate == |
== Electorate == |
Revision as of 13:23, 9 August 2006
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Talk Archives / Previous discussions
I've achived the older discussions, because the page was so long, and it's nicer to start afresh anyway. -- Joolz 15:03, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Discussions in Archive01 correspond with the following historical version of the Flemish Interest article. -- --Jvb – April 18, 2005
I've archived entries up to 1 december 2005 at Archive02 -- LucVerhelst 11:02, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- The partial transfer of discussions to Archive02 corresponds with the following historical versions of Vlaams Belang and its discussion page -- --Jvb – December 21, 2005
I've archived entries up to 8 August 2006 at Archive03 --LucVerhelst 10:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- The partial transfer of discussions to Archive03 corresponds with the following historical versions of Vlaams Belang and its discussion page --LucVerhelst 10:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
History section
I have expanded the history section. I used information from a number of other Wikipedia articles, both from the English language as from the Dutch language Wikipedia.
Off course, feel free to contribute constructively . --LucVerhelst 11:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- This can all be detailed in the Vlaams Blok article and elsewhere. Intangible 16:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Feel free to add to the next section ("Outline"). --LucVerhelst 17:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Outline
I'm thinking about a reworking of the article, towards a quality, NPOV, encyclopaedic article.
What do you think ?
I was thinking about the following outline :
- Introduction
- Party History
- Volksunie
- Vlaams Blok
- Trial
- Government subsidies
- Electoral results
- Vlaams Blok
- Vlaams Belang
- Ideology and issues
- Platform + discussion
- Cordon Sanitaire
- Issues
- Representation
- European parliament
- Federal parliament : Senate
- Federal parliament : Chambre
- Flemish parliament
- Brussels parliament
- Electorate
- Present Party structure
- Party organisation
- Other members
- External links
- References
Does this make sense ?
The present article seems to grow to long (over 30 Kb, which seems to be the threshold to start and split up articles, see WP:SS). Any thoughts on splitting up ? --LucVerhelst 11:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Neocons
I don't understand why Intangible keeps removing the sentence on the neoconservative inspiration for the Vlaams Belang party program. It is well referenced and verifiable, that Gerolf Annemans, main author of the program, himself has said this influence is clear : "In het normen- en waardendebat ben ik sterk uitgegaan van wat in Amerikaanse kringen van de neoconservatieven allang wordt gezegd. Ik kan die beïnvloeding niet ontkennen." ("In the values debate I started from what since long is being said in American circles of the neoconservatives. I can't deny that influence." -- Template:Nl icon "De neoconservatieve mosterd van Gerolf Annemans en Philip Dewinter" ("The neoconservative mustard of Gerolf Annemans and Philip Dewinter"), De Morgen, 17 November 2004.)
Not only is it well referenced and verifiable, I don't see what is so controversial about it that Intangible seems to be starting another edit war for.
Any suggestions on how we can use this information in the article ? --LucVerhelst 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I can tell you that Intangible is right on this point. Gerolf and the fellow posters do not know what neocons are. However, it is always nice for a party accused of racism to try to connect with a more moderate group like the neocons, and it is also nice for a left-wing newspaper to connect a racist group with a main movement in the United States. So, I will look up the interview with Paul Beliën in which he cleary denies any link or connection with the USA and the Vlaams Belang. (and Beliën is a credible source here)--Portalis 13:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Electorate
I added a section on the Vlaams Belang electorate, which was removed by Intangible. I based it on a KUL study from 2002, that used data from the 1999 general elections.
- Electorate
- The Vlaams Belang party itself has not yet participated in elections.
- A study1 of the 1999 general federal elections by researchers of the KUL has yielded some results on the electorate of the Vlaams Blok, that -with the necessary precautions- still apply to the present Vlaams Belang electorate.
- The study showed that it is first and foremost the low educational level that is characteristic for the V.B. voter. There does not seem to be a correlation, or a very small one, with age, gender nor occupation.
- Another characteristic is the sector of employment. People working in sectors with a very large international competition are overrepresented within the V.B. electorate, while workers from the health and social sector -with no international competition at all- usually don't vote for the party. Job insecurity does not seem to have an effect.
- As a third characteristic, researchers found that the average V.B. voter have a low idea of their economic situation. It's not certain that this corresponds with their real situation.
- Ethnocentricity is a strong reason to vote V.B., as is the feeling of alienation towards politics.
- There does not seem to be a correlation between the social-economic attitude of a voter and his preference for the V.B.
- 1Template:Nl icon Depickere, A. and Swyngedouw, M. Verklaringen voor het succes van extreem rechts getoetst (Explanations for the success of the far right reviewed), In : Swyngedouw, M. and Billiet, J. (eds) De kiezer heeft zijn redenen (The voter has his reasons), Leuven/Leusden, Acco, 2002, pp. 1-26.
I don't think any sound man would argue that the party's electorate between 1999 and 2006 has changed that much that the study's results are completely inaccurate. Because there will always be some changes, I entered the caveat "with the necessary precautions".
What do you think ? --LucVerhelst 12:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)