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::::I have reverted and hope that you will seek consensus before removing any more consensus-based material. I would also suggest you don't mix adding and deleting in the same edit so that it is easier to see what your effective changes to articles are. This has been one of my consistent problems with your edits. Thank you for your help in making a neutral POV encyclopedia. [[User:SashiRolls|SashiRolls]] ([[User talk:SashiRolls|talk]]) 19:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC) |
::::I have reverted and hope that you will seek consensus before removing any more consensus-based material. I would also suggest you don't mix adding and deleting in the same edit so that it is easier to see what your effective changes to articles are. This has been one of my consistent problems with your edits. Thank you for your help in making a neutral POV encyclopedia. [[User:SashiRolls|SashiRolls]] ([[User talk:SashiRolls|talk]]) 19:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC) |
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::::: You deleted a bunch of well-sourced content and re-introduced a long bland quote, along with other cumbersome text. You then demand of me that I edit differently on Wikipedia so that you'll have an easier time reverting content. This is harassment. As for the substance: There is absolutely zero reason to seek consensus for my edits, as they're completely standard fare and you haven't raised any policy-based reasons for reverting them. You're also blatantly lying by claiming that the long bland quote was "consensus-based material". You have absolutely no idea if it was, you're just here to revert my edits whatever they happen to be. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 19:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC) |
::::: You deleted a bunch of well-sourced content and re-introduced a long bland quote, along with other cumbersome text. You then demand of me that I edit differently on Wikipedia so that you'll have an easier time reverting content. This is harassment. As for the substance: There is absolutely zero reason to seek consensus for my edits, as they're completely standard fare and you haven't raised any policy-based reasons for reverting them. You're also blatantly lying by claiming that the long bland quote was "consensus-based material". You have absolutely no idea if it was, you're just here to revert my edits whatever they happen to be. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 19:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC) |
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{od}Look, I'm watching your edits for bias, you know that, especially concerning politicians like Tulsi Gabbard. I reverted your fleshing out of a quote in all its gory glory to make Gabbard look bad, while eliminating entirely the newer position that would make her look less "fringe". I know that the DNC is annoyed because Gabbard resigned, but I don't think this is a reason for unaligned editors to go rewrite Tulsi Gabbard's LGBT section on her Wikipedia page.[[User:SashiRolls|SashiRolls]] ([[User talk:SashiRolls|talk]]) 19:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC) |
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Bill 54 section
No purported benefits of the Bill 54 has been cited in this section.--Helters3 (talk) 09:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
We need to find out how long she was with the DNC and what she did while there.Librab103 (talk) 21:24, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I found this tweet of the letter Gabbard sent to her fellow officers of the DNC which states she has been a vice chair of the DNC for three years. We need to see if we can find a copy of it online.[1]Librab103 (talk) 21:24, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Bill 54 Controversy
In 2011, Gabbard introduced and strongly pushed for a highly controversial measure, Bill 54, in the Honolulu City Council[2]. This measure authorized City workers to confiscate the belongings of homeless persons by labeling the items as "stored property". Despite strong opposition (including human rights concerns, concerns about potential thievery due to resulting desperation, problems with existing shelters, fiscal concerns regarding the high costs of enforcement, and particularly concerns about Hawai'i's unique constitutional law, Kanawai Mamalahoe, which protects "those who sleep by the roadside")[3][4][5][6], the measure passed, and became City Ordinance 1129.
Since its passage in late 2011, the City has used overtime county workers to rout homeless people, by taking the belongings (such as blankets, tents, and tarps) that they need to survive outdoors[7]. It has also paid particular attention to the (de)Occupy Honolulu encampment at Thomas Square, an affiliate of the larger Occupy movement, which has been raided by the City 10 times[8].
Under the ordinance, property is to be stored for a period of 30 days. However, there have been numerous reports of this being practically impossible due to a remote storage location miles from Honolulu, long wait times, a complex system of appointment-making, and flat refusal by the City to return more valuable items (such as generators), making it virtually impossible for indigent persons to reclaim their belongings. City workers have also been on record enforcing the ordinance in controversial ways, such as the confiscation of tagged items from private property, which circulated broadly on internet video[9].
- Thanks for the links to sources. I've added a paragraph about Bill 54 to the "Honolulu City Council tenure" section. Sumana Harihareswara 16:18, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Can be used to clarify Gabbard stance on the bill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Librab103 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Councilmember Tulsi Gabbard-Tamayo, who introduced the bill, said that the bill is not about the “homeless,” but rather about protecting the right of the public to have free, unfettered access to public facilities and property. Ambiguities regarding the bill are not limited to its implementation. Some of those who support the measure, including Gabbard-Tamayo, acknowledged that it does not address the “homeless” problem in Honolulu. However the State’s Homeless Task Force’s Mark Alexander supported the measure, saying that the bill would encourage the houseless people affected by it to seek the outreach services available to them. He cited encouraging statistics about Honolulu’s “homeless” population, but noted that hard data collected is subject to interpretation.[10]
Previous name
Tulsi Gabbard became Tulsi Gabbard-Tamayo through an arranged marriage in 2002 and she was divorced in 2007. Removed based on no documentation/citation to confirm so-called "arranged marriage'.Tgtfriend 04:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC) .
- I can't find sources with dates for her marriage and divorce, but I have found her note to constituents where she mentions the name change; adding it because it helps clarify why in some sources she's "Gabbard" and in some she is "Gabbard Tamayo". Sumana Harihareswara 16:18, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Requesting help with sources
I'd love some help finding sources on the following topics:
- Her positions on education, gun control, health care reform, China, torture, Iran, civil liberties, Israel, marijuana legalization/the war on drugs, Cuba, North Korea, tariffs and trade, defense spending, progressive taxation, campaign finance, and euthanasia.
- This Truthout interview has some hints but I'd like something more detailed.
- Gabbard's political stance on SOPA and PIPA. I know she was at least interested in them: "Check this out - see where your members of congress stand on SOPA/PIPA and contact them: https://projects.propublica.org/sopa/" (Jan 19 2012 tweet that originally contained a bitly link)
- Gabbard's view on the war in Iraq, which she served in.
What does she believe now, andwhat did she believe when she first enlisted?- She now says, "I was against the war in Iraq. We never should have gone there in the first place." Can anyone help me find what she said when she volunteered to serve in Iraq?
- Any influence she had on Mike Gabbard's party switch from Republican to Democrat. One sort of weak source says that she did push for that.
- The press release on her dad's party switch mentions her. Sumana Harihareswara 21:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Her political differences with her father. Did he campaign with her during the House race? He had previously used his site to announce that she won a City Council seat, but after she split with him on the same-sex marriage issue, did he ever publicly make statements supporting her political career? - "On the evening in August 2012 when Tulsi won the Democratic primary, Mike was all smiles for the cameras. He showed unconditional support for his daughter, despite the fact she publicly rejected his hatred of our people 3 months ago, right here on the pages of eXpression! Magazine." I can find photos of them together during the campaign, but no statements.
- The date of her marriage,
the date of her divorce,and the startdates and enddates of her deployments. Pretty much all the coverage I can find of her early military and political career refer to her as Tulsi Gabbard Tamayo so I figure she must have gotten married in 2002 or earlier, but I can't find a wedding announcement. Her April 30th, 2011 update to constituents says that she "divorced a few years ago, shortly after I returned home from an 18-month long Iraq deployment with the Hawai'i Army National Guard", and she's had two deployments, 2004-2006 and 2008-2009. Her About page says that her first deployment was 12 months long; so I infer that her second deployment was 18 months, and that her divorce followed.
- I found the divorce filing but it's kind of hard to find the date of her marriage. Sumana Harihareswara 01:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
- The date of this photo: "Senator Mike Gabbard and his wife, Carol, welcomed their daughter, former State Representative & First Lieutenant, Tulsi Gabbard Tamayo, and hundreds of other Hawai'i Army National Guard soldiers home at a ceremony at Barbers Point on August 18th" -- what year?
- Her campaign managers for the House election. When did she hire Max Glass (who was her campaign manager as of November 2012), and was her campaign manager ever Devon or Devin Bull?
- Residence questions during her City Council run. - "Tulsi Gabbard Tamayo easily won a City Council seat this year despite questions about her ties to the district" - what concerns? Is it just a baseless smear?
- Why she won the Democratic primary for HI2, especially given Hanneman's early lead. One forum commenter, "Sir Montego", suggests: "I think this is the result of the Sierra Club endorsement destroying Mufi's environmental record (IMHO CD2 people care more about the environment than city slicker CD1 people) and supporters of the other two candidates realizing that they shouldn't throw away their votes on someone who has no chance to win." Stronger sourcing and analysis would be welcome. I'll probably end up putting the majority of the detail into United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii, 2012#District 2.
- The specifics of her faith and religious practice. Here are some bits I can source and bits I can't:
- She was raised Hindu ("my parents raised all five of us with an important value of "karma yoga" and always wanting to be of service through everything that we do") and practices japa meditation. In the Rediff interview, she says "I'm a Vaishnava in the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya. As a Vaishnava, my perspective of Hinduism or Sanatan Dharma comes from the Bhagavad Gita." From Indo American News: she plans to swear in on the Bhagavad Gita. From HuffPo we know a few of her favorite Gita verses.
- Does she attend a temple? She attended a temple dedication ceremony in October 2012 and visited a Hindu monastery in January 2012 and attended a memorial event at ISKCON Hawaii on 19 Aug 2012 to mourn the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin. But none of those imply that she regularly attends services at any of those locations. (From my own experience as a Hindu I would say that it's not too unusual to simply pray at home instead of regularly going to a temple.)
- Does she follow Jagad Guru Siddhaswanupananda Paramahamsa? A kind of thirdhand report says she does, but I'd like something stronger.
- Her small business. Her current Twitter profile describes her as "Member of Congress. Soldier. Small biz owner. Healthy Hawaii Coalition. Doing my best to be of service." But her About page doesn't mention her currently running or owning a business - just mentions that, when she was younger, she helped her parents with their family business. What is the current small business? In 2002, as "Tulasi Gabbard Tamayo", she listed her occupation as "Self-employed martial arts instructor and coordinator for nonprofit environmental education program". Is that it?
- This BusinessInsider piece implies it was a film production company.
- Her experience with Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It was repealed in September 2011, and I remember reading that she mentioned that she was proud to be the person who implemented its repeal in her unit, but I can't find the article now. Can you?
Thanks to anyone who can help. I'm happy to move stuff from the Talk page into the article so you can drop links into this section if that's easier for you. Sumana Harihareswara 13:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Branch?
What branch is she serving in? ANG is not a branch. Images show her with the crossed pistols of the Military Police. 84.23.155.84 (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.23.155.84 (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
- CPT Gabbard is an MP. You can see the crossed pistols and the regimental crest on her uniform. Canute (talk) 15:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- And the MP green shoulder boards. Patrickwooldridge (talk) 05:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
"first American Samoan in Congress" citation
It looks like User:174.61.181.47 didn't understand that one should actually insert the URL of a relevant news article into the article as a reference, rather than simply in an edit summary. No permanent harm done and I've added the citation. Cheers! Sumana Harihareswara 18:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Possible ref re: senate seat
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/26/cory-booker-tulsi-gabbard-hawaii-senate_n_2365658.html
--JBL (talk) 00:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Husband
That link takes you a dead guy from the 1800's. I doubt that is her husband.
There was concern on Huffington Post that her husband was raised by the same so-called ISKON splinter cult as the one she was raised in. Dogru144 (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Tulasi?
The article references her first name on several occasions as being Tulasi instead of Tulsi. Is Tulasi perhaps her legal first name and Tulsi a nickname? By the way, the two links pointing to hoohiki1.courts.state.hi.us (the divorce agreement and the injunction against harassment) are both not working anymore (if they have before). I could not find a replacement, either. --Widerborst (talk) 13:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- I find it possible that Tulasi is or was her legal first name and Tulsi is a nickname, since yes, as you point out, various official sources (such as the White House Fellows candidacy and the legal documents) call her Tulasi. I see that Project Vote Smart says her "Full name" is "Tulsi Gabbard" and a quick skim of Tulsi For Hawai'i filings has her as "Tulsi Gabbard". -- including in places (e.g. this filing) where her dad, Gerald Michael Gabbard, is listed as "Gerald M. Gabbard" rather than by his nickname that he's commonly known by, Mike Gabbard. So maybe she's changed her name since that last court filing? I'll do more digging.
- The Hoohiki documents are available, but you have to go to their site first and hit "Enter" and then look at the URL from the reference or directly look up the case number. I don't know any way around that; sorry. Sumana Harihareswara 21:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- So here's something a bit confusing: a legal filing regarding her 2010 city council run (State of Hawaii Campaign Spending Commission records for "Committee: Friends of Tulsi; Report On: 2008-2010 2nd Preliminary Primary July 1 - September 3, 2010"). The campaign bought a few things that summer where she used her own credit card to pay for stuff right away, and this filing records the campaign reimbursing her. Two of the three items say "Tamayo, Tulsi G." and one says "Tamayo, Tulasi G." And then four times in 2012 she lent money to her campaign as "Tamayo, Tulasi G." (April 6th, May 8th, June 14th, and June 22nd 2012). But that implies that even in June of 2012 her name was still "Tamayo," and we know that as of April 2011 she was no longer publicly going by that name; did she never change it? This is quite confusing! Sumana Harihareswara 22:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- First of all, thank you for your diligent work. I will have a look at it later (I wrote the German Wikipedia article on the Congresswoman, so I am very much interested in the details of the facts). In the mean time, I think it might be an option to e-mail her D.C. office and ask for clarification, ideally together with a request for publically available sources confirming whatever answer would be given (to avoid WP:NOR conflicts). This could potentially shortcut a lot of otherwise neccessary detective work which might not even be as fruitful. --Widerborst (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- So here's something a bit confusing: a legal filing regarding her 2010 city council run (State of Hawaii Campaign Spending Commission records for "Committee: Friends of Tulsi; Report On: 2008-2010 2nd Preliminary Primary July 1 - September 3, 2010"). The campaign bought a few things that summer where she used her own credit card to pay for stuff right away, and this filing records the campaign reimbursing her. Two of the three items say "Tamayo, Tulsi G." and one says "Tamayo, Tulasi G." And then four times in 2012 she lent money to her campaign as "Tamayo, Tulasi G." (April 6th, May 8th, June 14th, and June 22nd 2012). But that implies that even in June of 2012 her name was still "Tamayo," and we know that as of April 2011 she was no longer publicly going by that name; did she never change it? This is quite confusing! Sumana Harihareswara 22:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Awards
What are the sources for the awards, especially this one? Also, does anyone know what kind of award exactly Tulsi Gabbard got from the Kuwait National Guard? --Widerborst (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- I just looked at her official service photo (see above on this page in the Branch section) and reported what I saw there (it is very easy to recognize the German award). I didn't recognize the Kuwaiti badge, nor could I find it in a cursory search. Patrickwooldridge (talk) 00:35, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- I found a couple of more recent photos (she is wearing the railroad tracks of a captain) and still wearing the German Armed Forces Badge for Military Proficiency in Gold.[11][12] Also, she appears to have received an oak leaf cluster for her Army Commendation Medal. Patrickwooldridge (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security
Around January 25th, Ms Gabbard seems to have been placed on the United States House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security. I first noticed this on page for the subcommittee on the Dems' site for the overall committee but now also see it on the subcommittee page of the overall committee. I have been unable to find any actual news sources or announcements by Ms Gabbard herself about this subcommittee assignment, though. --Widerborst (talk) 16:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
See also section
I am not sure what Tulsi Gabbard has in common with the other politicians in the "See also" section (or even why an article on one politician should have a "See also" for other politicians). Gabbard is of Samoan/Causian heritage; the others have Indian ancestry. Gabbard practices a non-Christian religion (as do one or two of the others on the list), but so what? Can we just remove the entire section? Peter Chastain (talk) 09:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Fair point. I've removed Jindal and Haley. I think the religious "first"s are pertinent and related to a main reason people would want to look up Gabbard (first Hindu in Congress), so I've left Dalip Singh Saund and Ami Bera. But I don't want to put a giant list there including Hank Johnson and Lewis Charles Levin. Are there existing lists of milestones we could point to instead for "first Congressional Representative by religion" and "first Representative of each ethnicity", kind of like List of Jewish political milestones in the United States or the other lists of firsts? I don't see one so maybe I will create one and link to it. Sumana Harihareswara 19:09, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Military service
Is the subject of this article still an officer in the national guard, or did that end in 2010? The section heading and the content appear to contradict itself.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- According to her House of Representative website biography "Tulsi continues to serve as a Captain in the Hawai'i National Guard's 29th Brigade Combat Team."[3] However, who knows when that was last updated. — -dainomite 04:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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Gabbard's Parents
There seems to be significant disagreement about whether basic information about Gabbard's parents should be included in her article. I looked at some featured articles, which are considered to be the best articles Wikipedia has to offer, including both content and style/format, that are biographies of living people, and they seem to include basic information about the biographed person's families, especially their parents. For example, the article on Barack Obama has basic information about his parents and their birthplaces, as does Mitt Romney. Furthermore, I quickly found several good article that do the same, such as Joseph McCarthy and Bill Clinton. Almost all good articles or featured articles on US federal political figures included basic information about their parents. Therefore, I believe it is not necessarily justified to remove basic information about Gabbard's parents on the basis of it being not relevant. Matt18224 (talk) 03:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- The sentences in question focus for no discernable reason on the citizenship of her parents. They break the flow of the paragraph, violating both the chronological and logical order of information. If you think some part of this information should be included, I invite you to add it in a way that doesn't make the paragraph worse. --JBL (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- Gabbard was born in American Samoa, and children born in American Samoa are not automatically granted citizenship at birth unless at least one of their parents is a US citizen. Considering she's a holder of public office and has been in the media spotlight since her endorsement of Senator Sanders, many would consider her citizenship to be relevant to her biography, just as John McCain's was during the 2008 Presidential election, since both were born outside of the continental United States. I agree that the paragraph does not flow particularly well because of the placement/wording of those sentences, but you're also welcome to reword it and improve it in the future if you feel such edits will contribute to the quality of the article. Matt18224 (talk) 04:44, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- McCain's citizenship was in the news because he was running for president and one of the constitutional requirements for that office is to be a natural-born citizen. There were lots of RSs about it. The source being used in the current section is only dubiously an RS, and it says nothing about T. Gabbard's citizenship as far as I see.
- Your rewritten version is certainly an improvement over the restored version, thank you. --JBL (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
@Matt18224: Maybe it is the election season, but that citizen stuff seems to be in fashion lately. However unless reputable, serious newspapers/media outlets do discuss her citizenship, this is non-issue for Wikipedia. Having said that however I see no problem with adding one or two sentences about her parents. Information about the ancestry is only optional, but certainly not forbidden. In doubt, in particular in the case of disagreements between editors, we simply follow the representations in the most reputable sources on her. If such sources provide information on her ancestry, so do we and if they don't then we don't.--Kmhkmh (talk) 06:23, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://twitter.com/frankthorpNBC/status/703978293301637120
- ^ http://www.kitv.com/news/29948135/detail.html
- ^ http://hawaiiindependent.net/story/homeless-council-bill-passes-despite-opposition
- ^ http://www.change.org/petitions/city-councilmembers-of-honolulu-hawaii-oppose-bill-54
- ^ http://acluhawaii.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/aclu_bill-54.pdf
- ^ http://www.disappearednews.com/.../stop-gabbards-bill-54-attack-on.html
- ^ http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2012/01/10/14500-honolulu-homeless-frustrated-as-belongings-taken/
- ^ http://dougnote.blogspot.com/2012/03/raid-10-on-occupy-honolulu-bill-54.html
- ^ http://dougnote.blogspot.com/2012/02/email-to-mayor-carlisle-re-raid-of.html
- ^ http://hawaiiindependent.net/story/homeless-council-bill-passes-despite-opposition
- ^ [1]
- ^ [2]
Deleted press release
With this edit, Snooganssnoogans deleted a citation which had been here for a while. I don't see any consensus on this here on the talk page.
what got deleted:
Regarding the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage, she said:
"I applaud the Supreme Court's ruling today. Some countries in the world are theocracies. Fortunately, the United States of America is not one of them. Therefore, as long as the government is involved in marriage, it must do so with fairness—treating all Americans equally. Today's ruling by the Supreme Court is an important victory to this end."[1]
References
- ^ "Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Applauds SCOTUS Decision on Marriage Equality". house.gov. Retrieved November 9, 2016.
Can you explain this removal? Your additions in the aforementioned edit also seem to me to be rather POV (including long citations from when Ms. Gabbard was 25 rather than paraphrasing, for example). SashiRolls (talk) 18:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- "Here is a thing that the subject of the article said" sourced exclusively to the subject of the article is not very encyclopedic -- did any secondary sources write about the fact that she said this? If not, I'm inclined to support removal. --JBL (talk) 18:15, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- The quote is not particularly notable or interesting. Like nearly all Democrats, she supports the ruling. It's a waste of space to include a long bland quote on it. The pages of other Democratic politicians don't include quotes along those lines on the same-sex marriage ruling (e.g. Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton). I also just want to note it's very disconcerting to see that someone as emotionally and mentally unstable as yourself is following me around and going to quibble with every single edit I make. All I can say is that I'm extremely glad that this account is anonymous, and that your harassment is limited to Wikipedia. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:42, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- Coverage in her constituency [4], [5] My opinion is that it is as notable as her statements at 25 which come from an article saying she has evolved. SashiRolls (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- For unconventional positions or positions from which politicians have evolved, it definitely makes sense to explain what the rationale for the position was. She was a state legislator at the time, so it's not as if we're talking about the youthful indiscretions of a non-politician. Calling civil unions something that only "a small number of homosexual extremists" support is both a fringe view among Democrats at the time and indicative of how far she has evolved on the issue. It definitely belongs in this article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have reverted and hope that you will seek consensus before removing any more consensus-based material. I would also suggest you don't mix adding and deleting in the same edit so that it is easier to see what your effective changes to articles are. This has been one of my consistent problems with your edits. Thank you for your help in making a neutral POV encyclopedia. SashiRolls (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- You deleted a bunch of well-sourced content and re-introduced a long bland quote, along with other cumbersome text. You then demand of me that I edit differently on Wikipedia so that you'll have an easier time reverting content. This is harassment. As for the substance: There is absolutely zero reason to seek consensus for my edits, as they're completely standard fare and you haven't raised any policy-based reasons for reverting them. You're also blatantly lying by claiming that the long bland quote was "consensus-based material". You have absolutely no idea if it was, you're just here to revert my edits whatever they happen to be. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have reverted and hope that you will seek consensus before removing any more consensus-based material. I would also suggest you don't mix adding and deleting in the same edit so that it is easier to see what your effective changes to articles are. This has been one of my consistent problems with your edits. Thank you for your help in making a neutral POV encyclopedia. SashiRolls (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- For unconventional positions or positions from which politicians have evolved, it definitely makes sense to explain what the rationale for the position was. She was a state legislator at the time, so it's not as if we're talking about the youthful indiscretions of a non-politician. Calling civil unions something that only "a small number of homosexual extremists" support is both a fringe view among Democrats at the time and indicative of how far she has evolved on the issue. It definitely belongs in this article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- Coverage in her constituency [4], [5] My opinion is that it is as notable as her statements at 25 which come from an article saying she has evolved. SashiRolls (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
{od}Look, I'm watching your edits for bias, you know that, especially concerning politicians like Tulsi Gabbard. I reverted your fleshing out of a quote in all its gory glory to make Gabbard look bad, while eliminating entirely the newer position that would make her look less "fringe". I know that the DNC is annoyed because Gabbard resigned, but I don't think this is a reason for unaligned editors to go rewrite Tulsi Gabbard's LGBT section on her Wikipedia page.SashiRolls (talk) 19:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)