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I am sure that other acceptible phrases can be found for describing research findings accurately, but describing a desired finding as "shown" but undesired findings as dubious is pretty much the definition of failing NPOV. What other NPOV options for phrasing can folks suggest?<br> |
I am sure that other acceptible phrases can be found for describing research findings accurately, but describing a desired finding as "shown" but undesired findings as dubious is pretty much the definition of failing NPOV. What other NPOV options for phrasing can folks suggest?<br> |
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[[User:James Cantor |— James Cantor]] ([[User talk:James Cantor|talk]]) 20:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
[[User:James Cantor |— James Cantor]] ([[User talk:James Cantor|talk]]) 20:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:James, as an academic, you should know the difference between observed phenomenon (such as the size of a brain structure) and the result of a correlation between self-reported factors that are used as a proxy for the operationalization of a concept. So, what Blanchard has done is showing a correlation, which is still not causation. Hence, he has NOT demonstrated that there are two types, but only shown that it is possible to subdivide the group in two subgroups using his criteria suggesting that maybe his idea is correct. Furthermore, in line with your pledge not to edit autogynephilia and related articles, I am surprised to see you popping up here. -- [[User:KimvdLinde|Kim van der Linde]] <sup>[[User talk:KimvdLinde|at venus]]</sup> 21:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Merge suggestion
See the discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Transgender_sexuality_article. A.A.Graff (talk) 15:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Wrong terminology
Hi, According to Wikipedea, Virgina Prince coined the name transgender, as a term for cross dressers,Please re check your references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.93.0.144 (talk) 19:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Section on religious views
The Bible verses cited are unclear on a number of levels. First, practically speaking, the links each lead to the first chapter of the cited book in the King James Version. That makes them effectively useless. When I went to edit the section, I saw the verse numbers are included in the source code, but apparently either the wrong Bible-citation template is being used, or it is being used incorrectly. I am not up-to-date on the current discussion on Bible citation templates but perhaps (for now at least) {{bibleverse}} should replace {{bibleref}}.
Second, the verses listed as potentially supportive of transgender need explanation. To those unfamiliar with whatever scholarship may have been done on this issue, they may seem vague at best to irrelevant at worst. It would be better to cite a secondary source from a theologian drawing support from those verses. I know there is a secondary article specifically for religion and transgender, but the summary present in this article should nevertheless be clear, if not detailed.
--Ginkgo100talk 14:26, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
POV in mental health section
This section starts by preaching treatment, then switches to lambasting those that aim to 'cure' the transgendered. Neither POV is properly attributed, and the statements about Zucker's motives only come from activist sites. Tijfo098 (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Christianity
The section on religion needs to reflect that Christianity as a faith generally condemns lady men and the like. There are some Protestant denominations that have probably decided to tolerate such behavior but they're not of comparable following with more traditional denominations. K. the Surveyor (talk) 05:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Published evidence showed, demonstrated, or what?
On the mainpage, there is discussion of how best describe scientific findings. The page, thus far, uses words such as "show" to describe findings, such as:
- In 1997, J.N. Zhou, M.A. Hofman, L.J. Gooren and D.F. Swaab conducted tests on the brains of transgender individuals. Their tests showed that...
- Their study was the first to show a female brain structure...
- Their study shows male to female transsexuals are...
I am of the opinion that to maintain NPOV, one would also described Blanchard's original taxonomic finding as:
- Blanchard showed that there were...
or similar.
I am sure that other acceptible phrases can be found for describing research findings accurately, but describing a desired finding as "shown" but undesired findings as dubious is pretty much the definition of failing NPOV. What other NPOV options for phrasing can folks suggest?
— James Cantor (talk) 20:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- James, as an academic, you should know the difference between observed phenomenon (such as the size of a brain structure) and the result of a correlation between self-reported factors that are used as a proxy for the operationalization of a concept. So, what Blanchard has done is showing a correlation, which is still not causation. Hence, he has NOT demonstrated that there are two types, but only shown that it is possible to subdivide the group in two subgroups using his criteria suggesting that maybe his idea is correct. Furthermore, in line with your pledge not to edit autogynephilia and related articles, I am surprised to see you popping up here. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 21:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- ^ Gaughan, Sharon (Saturday, 19 August 2006). "What About Non-op Transsexuals? A No-op Notion" (HTML). TS-SI. Retrieved Septemer 302008.
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- ^ Schoenberg, Nara (November 19), "The Son Also Falls From elephant hunter to bejeweled exhibitionist, the tortured life of Gregory Hemingway.", CHICAGO TRIBUNE
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- ^ Miriam Rivera. Excerpt of "There's Something About Miriam". Miriam a known non-op transsexual talks about how she see's her self, her history, and transsexuality. Compare to Gregory Hemingway then tell me Hemingway is the real post op woman (Television Via Youtube). Filmed in Ibiza, Spain Produced in England.: Edemol & Brighter picture via various Newscorp properties.
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