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The flag shown did not exist until 1801, long after the separation. It should be replaced with what Americans refer to as the King's Colours. Any objections? [[User:PrivateWiddle|PrivateWiddle]] ([[User talk:PrivateWiddle|talk]]) 16:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== Help request == |
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Incorrect British Flag
The flag shown did not exist until 1801, long after the separation. It should be replaced with what Americans refer to as the King's Colours. Any objections? PrivateWiddle (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Help request
I'm working on a page which explains the western land claims surrended by the original Thirteen Colonies in the early years of the American republic. As I've researched, it's become clear to me that there would be no better way to do this than to have a map. Is there anyone out there who knows how to do this, has software which is helpful, digs cartography or knows where I can find a public domain version of this material? I've found several examples on the web. My vomit draft of the page--did I mention it was a vomit draft?--is at User:Jengod/State_cessions. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
thirteen colonies
hi i need to remember the thirteen colonies and how to fing them on a map how do i do that and not forget?
please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.213.76 (talk) 21:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Betsy Ross
When the 13 Colonies declared independence from British North America and Russian Alaska, a flag was made by Betsy Ross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.161.37 (talk) 18:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Ben Franklin quote
The Ben Franklin quote is interesting, but seems out of context in the intro., which is about answering: "what were the original 13 colonies?"
Maybe a later section comparing life in the colonies with that in England or Scotland would be a more appropriate place for this quote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.133.143 (talk) 19:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Categories for discussion notice
Eight colonies?
I am an Amateur historian. Emphasis on amateur. Somewhere in my readings regarding the war for the independence of the thirteen American colonies I read that in the vicinity of 1777/78, about the time Washington had had some success with the win at Saratoga and France's approval, Washington =\|talk]] • contribs) 02:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Edit request: Population
The tables could use cleanung up. Here are some prettier ones, with the numbers lined up: 71.41.210.146 (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Year | Population |
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1625 | 1,980 |
1641 | 50,000 |
1688 | 200,000 |
1702 | 270,000 |
1715 | 435,000 |
1749 | 1,000,000 |
1754 | 1,500,000 |
1765 | 2,200,000 |
1775 | 2,400,000 |
Years | Number[1] |
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1620–1700 | 21,000 |
1701–1760 | 189,000 |
1761–1770 | 63,000 |
1771–1790 | 56,000 |
1791–1800 | 79,000 |
1801–1810 | 124,000[2] |
1810–1865 | 51,000 |
Total | 597,000 |
- Done As far as I can tell, all you did was change the alignment and modified the headings slightly. I agree that it looks better, and I've made the change. (Fwiw, I still don't think it looks great. Wiki markup often confounds me. Anyone should feel free to revert with explanation.) Rivertorch (talk) 05:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Relation with the stars and stripes of the flag
Is it a strange idea to mention the relation with the American flag in the article? Under the banner of "cultural significance" or "lasting legacy" or whatever. In the article about the flag it is mentioned that the 13 stripes refer to the 13 colonies, and that originally the number of stars was also 13. So I think it would make sense to also make (short) notice of this fact in this article, and link to the article about the flag. Anyone against this idea? RagingR2 (talk) 15:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Edit request: hatnote
Since American Colonial Period does not redirect to this article, there seems to be no reason for the {{confused}}
hatnote.
I suggest deleting it. --69.158.92.109 (talk) 00:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
"Patriot" cause
- See also Talk:Thirteen Colonies/Archive 1#Fought the American Revolution (March 2010)
The article currently says "although there was a degree of sympathy with the Patriot cause in several of them". Patriot is a biased word and should be placed in quotes. -- PBS (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- No -- "Patriot" is the exact word. People today assume it has favorable vibes--but in 1770s it was a negative term in Britain --that's one reason the Americans favored it. The bias rules in Wikipedia have to do with the Wiki editors avoiding personal bias (POV), not with the terms used by scholars as in American Insurgents, American Patriots: The Revolution of the People by T. H. Breen (2010) Rjensen (talk) 17:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- We are not writing for an 18th century audience, and the OED definition that you provided on this talk page on the 12 March 2010, makes it clear whatever the meaning in the past that is not the meaning today. If you prefer we could substitute in the word rebels in place of the word Patriot, but I think that would introduced a different pov, which is why I suggest placing "Patriots" in quotes. Placing it in quotes is not an unusual thing to do see for example "The War for America: Loyalists & Patriots" a little article at the British National Army Museum website. -- PBS (talk) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Breen wrote a major book in 2010 = American Insurgents, American Patriots: The Revolution of the People by T. H. Breen (2010) with no quotes. As for the British Army website the first page compares two WORDS (and uses quotes for words) while the rest of the site talks about people and uses Patriot without any quotes, as on page 2, the second page has this statement: It has been estimated that the Patriots had the support of about 40 per cent of the colonial population. with no quotes. This is not some "strange" usage that needs quotes--it has been the standard English language usage for this group of people since the 1770s, and is used in the RS. You can see over 30,000 examples here on google books] I looked at the first 50 citations and found zero examples of using quote marks. Rjensen (talk) 13:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- We are not writing for an 18th century audience, and the OED definition that you provided on this talk page on the 12 March 2010, makes it clear whatever the meaning in the past that is not the meaning today. If you prefer we could substitute in the word rebels in place of the word Patriot, but I think that would introduced a different pov, which is why I suggest placing "Patriots" in quotes. Placing it in quotes is not an unusual thing to do see for example "The War for America: Loyalists & Patriots" a little article at the British National Army Museum website. -- PBS (talk) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- No -- "Patriot" is the exact word. People today assume it has favorable vibes--but in 1770s it was a negative term in Britain --that's one reason the Americans favored it. The bias rules in Wikipedia have to do with the Wiki editors avoiding personal bias (POV), not with the terms used by scholars as in American Insurgents, American Patriots: The Revolution of the People by T. H. Breen (2010) Rjensen (talk) 17:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)