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Adamstom.97 (talk | contribs) Undid revision 878998767 by Curly Turkey (talk) this is definitely off-topic. The paraphrasing claims were a personal attack that has since been dropped, and is an unnecessary distraction from the GA review. Insisting that this be left open is tantamount to condoning WP:HOUNDING Tag: Undo |
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*'''Comment''' I'm gonna bring up the same issue here I raised at the original ''GOTG2'' GAN (and recently on the talk pages of both ''Avengers'' 3 and 4: the citations for "Actor X plays Character Y" should be attached to the statements that they verify, not to unrelated character bios created by Wikipedians based on the show itself. This issue was not addressed in the first ''GOTG2'' GAN, and was enough to fail it, the follow-up GAN should not have ignored the reason for the previous one's failure, and this GAN should not pass without its being addressed. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 07:10, 29 December 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' I'm gonna bring up the same issue here I raised at the original ''GOTG2'' GAN (and recently on the talk pages of both ''Avengers'' 3 and 4: the citations for "Actor X plays Character Y" should be attached to the statements that they verify, not to unrelated character bios created by Wikipedians based on the show itself. This issue was not addressed in the first ''GOTG2'' GAN, and was enough to fail it, the follow-up GAN should not have ignored the reason for the previous one's failure, and this GAN should not pass without its being addressed. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 07:10, 29 December 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Further comment''' Article needs a thorough source-check for close paraphrasing. {{tq|''The data excludes viewing that occurred on Netflix's connected TV or mobile apps.''}} is too close to [https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/netflix-marvel-the-defenders-least-viewed-series-debut-1202564402/ the source]'s {{tq|''The data excludes viewing that occurs on connected-TV platforms or Netflix mobile apps''}}, and I don't doubt that a lot of the other non-quoted, non-unsourced-plot content is similarly plagiarized. See also the recent close paraphrasing mess at the [[Black Panther (film)]] article, which was largely written by the same editors and whose topic is part of the same megafranchise. It may not be too hard to check given how much of this article is just direct quotes from primary sources, but that presents [[WP:QUOTEFARM|its own problems]]. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 17:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Further comment''' Article needs a thorough source-check for close paraphrasing. {{tq|''The data excludes viewing that occurred on Netflix's connected TV or mobile apps.''}} is too close to [https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/netflix-marvel-the-defenders-least-viewed-series-debut-1202564402/ the source]'s {{tq|''The data excludes viewing that occurs on connected-TV platforms or Netflix mobile apps''}}, and I don't doubt that a lot of the other non-quoted, non-unsourced-plot content is similarly plagiarized. See also the recent close paraphrasing mess at the [[Black Panther (film)]] article, which was largely written by the same editors and whose topic is part of the same megafranchise. It may not be too hard to check given how much of this article is just direct quotes from primary sources, but that presents [[WP:QUOTEFARM|its own problems]]. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 17:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|''Marvel has "a wonderful concept" behind why the group would form in the MCU and why they would be called the Defenders''}} is lifted almost word-for-word (with the ordering switched around and the "this world" changed to "the MCU") from 1:03-1:14 of [http://www.ign.com/videos/2015/11/19/marvels-quesada-dismisses-iron-fist-tv-movie-rumors this video]. {{tq|''it was announced that Marvel Television and ABC Studios would provide Netflix with live action series centered around Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist, leading up to a miniseries based on the Defenders''}} is probably too close to the [https://deadline.com/2013/11/disney-netflix-marvel-series-629696/ source]'s {{tq|'' Disney will provide Netflix with live action series and a miniseries featuring Marvel characters Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage''}}. Are all these "Marvel Cinematic Universe" articles messes of close paraphrasing? Do they all need to be GARred? [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 17:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC) |
*{{tq|''Marvel has "a wonderful concept" behind why the group would form in the MCU and why they would be called the Defenders''}} is lifted almost word-for-word (with the ordering switched around and the "this world" changed to "the MCU") from 1:03-1:14 of [http://www.ign.com/videos/2015/11/19/marvels-quesada-dismisses-iron-fist-tv-movie-rumors this video]. {{tq|''it was announced that Marvel Television and ABC Studios would provide Netflix with live action series centered around Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist, leading up to a miniseries based on the Defenders''}} is probably too close to the [https://deadline.com/2013/11/disney-netflix-marvel-series-629696/ source]'s {{tq|'' Disney will provide Netflix with live action series and a miniseries featuring Marvel characters Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage''}}. Are all these "Marvel Cinematic Universe" articles messes of close paraphrasing? Do they all need to be GARred? [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 17:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::{{re|TheJoebro64}} As someone who was literally hounded off the project for much of 2013, I find it pretty damned offensive that you would accuse me of "the literal definition of WP:HOUNDING" for noticing that an editor had a recurring copyvio problem, and going back to their early edits to see how long it's been going on. If you find an editor who doesn't understand our content policies, particularly something as important as text copyright, it is a service to the project to do the necessary digging to find out how serious the problem is, '''not hounding'''. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about: ArbCom have been pretty clear on this matter, and if it weren't completely tangential to this Good Article review I would go into more detail: instead I'll just ask that you retract the above gross personal attack against me. <small>As an aside, I've "barged onto" like four of these GAs over the last two years, as is my right as a frequent contributor to these articles, and I didn't notice the copyvio until like I week after I commented here about an unrelated issue and was completely ignored. Presenting this as you do is completely out of line, and the optics of your passing this GAN after having viciously and unjustifiedly attacked someone opposing it as you have done here, without even an attempt at apology or retraction (I notice you've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64&dir=prev&offset=20190109114418&limit=3&target=TheJoebro64 apparently] logged in three times since I pinged you above) would be simply atrocious. I can live with a GA having copyvio (it's the project's loss, not mine), but I don't think the project would accept a GA that was promoted under these circumstances, by a reviewer so ''desperate'' to pass it that he would attack anyone questioning the article's quality in this manner. There's literally nothing stopping you from saying you're sorry and retracting the above remark: this isn't the US legal system where your "admitting to wrongdoing" would give me evidence to use against you; rather the opposite is the case.</small> [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 11:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC) |
::::::{{re|TheJoebro64}} As someone who was literally hounded off the project for much of 2013, I find it pretty damned offensive that you would accuse me of "the literal definition of WP:HOUNDING" for noticing that an editor had a recurring copyvio problem, and going back to their early edits to see how long it's been going on. If you find an editor who doesn't understand our content policies, particularly something as important as text copyright, it is a service to the project to do the necessary digging to find out how serious the problem is, '''not hounding'''. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about: ArbCom have been pretty clear on this matter, and if it weren't completely tangential to this Good Article review I would go into more detail: instead I'll just ask that you retract the above gross personal attack against me. <small>As an aside, I've "barged onto" like four of these GAs over the last two years, as is my right as a frequent contributor to these articles, and I didn't notice the copyvio until like I week after I commented here about an unrelated issue and was completely ignored. Presenting this as you do is completely out of line, and the optics of your passing this GAN after having viciously and unjustifiedly attacked someone opposing it as you have done here, without even an attempt at apology or retraction (I notice you've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64&dir=prev&offset=20190109114418&limit=3&target=TheJoebro64 apparently] logged in three times since I pinged you above) would be simply atrocious. I can live with a GA having copyvio (it's the project's loss, not mine), but I don't think the project would accept a GA that was promoted under these circumstances, by a reviewer so ''desperate'' to pass it that he would attack anyone questioning the article's quality in this manner. There's literally nothing stopping you from saying you're sorry and retracting the above remark: this isn't the US legal system where your "admitting to wrongdoing" would give me evidence to use against you; rather the opposite is the case.</small> [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 11:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::(Was busy yesterday, didn't have time to respond.) I didn't mean for you to take that personally (I've never interacted with you before and I didn't join Wikipedia until 2016) so I'm sorry I offended you. But I wasn't commenting about you, I was commenting about your ''tone and actions'' (not a personal attack), which aren't really coming across well. You should've remained calm and brought it up to Favre first, not go "AUGHHHHH COPYVIO!!!", dish it out on numerous talk pages, and then accuse editors defending Favre of bad faith and personal attacks. I'm not desperate to pass this article either—if you looked at this discussion's history, you'd notice there were some pretty bigs gaps between when I was reviewing and when I wasn't. [[User:TheJoebro64|<small style="color:red">JOE</small>]][[User talk:TheJoebro64|<small>BRO</small>]][[Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64|<span style="color:#D18719">64</span>]] 20:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC) |
:::::::(Was busy yesterday, didn't have time to respond.) I didn't mean for you to take that personally (I've never interacted with you before and I didn't join Wikipedia until 2016) so I'm sorry I offended you. But I wasn't commenting about you, I was commenting about your ''tone and actions'' (not a personal attack), which aren't really coming across well. You should've remained calm and brought it up to Favre first, not go "AUGHHHHH COPYVIO!!!", dish it out on numerous talk pages, and then accuse editors defending Favre of bad faith and personal attacks. I'm not desperate to pass this article either—if you looked at this discussion's history, you'd notice there were some pretty bigs gaps between when I was reviewing and when I wasn't. [[User:TheJoebro64|<small style="color:red">JOE</small>]][[User talk:TheJoebro64|<small>BRO</small>]][[Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64|<span style="color:#D18719">64</span>]] 20:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC) |
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Reviewer: TheJoebro64 (talk · contribs) 23:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I'll start this right when I finish Slingshot, so expect comments soon. JOEBRO64 23:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Lead
- The first sentence is kinda a mouthful; I feel like the part about it being based on Marvel Comics characters should either be split into a separate sentence or simplified
- ... and is the culmination of a series of interconnected shows from Marvel and Netflix. I understand what this means since I know how the MCU works, but to a general audience this could be read as saying it's the literal end of the series.
- The limited series stars... "limited" is unnecessary
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Development on the miniseries began in late 2013... strike "on the miniseries", as we know what's being developed
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Third-party analysis indicated that the miniseries was the least-viewed of the Marvel Netflix series strike "of the"
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'd link binge-watching at the "binge" in ... third-most "Binge Raced"
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Cast
- Hijiri88's comment below does make some sense, I just wanted to hear your thoughts first
- A blind pro-bono lawyer in Hell's Kitchen, with his remaining senses enhanced, who is secretly a vigilante. This is minor but I think this sentence could use some reshuffling and some more background for clarity. How about something like A pro-bono lawyer and vigilante in Hell's Kitchen who, as a child, was caught in a freak accident that left him blind but enhanced his remaining senses. Also, neither of the sources say he's blind, a lawyer, or a vigilante.
- ...pairing the latter with Cage is an homage to the Heroes for Hire comics... Typo: "an" should be an "a" (also, just to be sure, is "the latter" Danny Rand?)
- Done. Yes "the latter" was Rand, but I've just made it "Rand". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- ...with the ability to call upon the mystical power of the Iron Fist... What's the Iron Fist?
- What's a "finger" of the Hand? I think you should clarify this
- ...who is the Black Sky, a weapon of the Hand. How is the Black Sky a weapon of the hand?
- Sigourney Weaver, who portrays the latter... I think "Alexandra" is better here; there's no repetition issue since it's a different sentence
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'd replace one of the "described"s in the second/third sentences of Alexandra's section
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Development
- In October 2013, Deadline Hollywood reported that Marvel... Which Marvel? Marvel Studios? Entertainment? Comics? Television?
- The source never actually clarified, but from context, it is Marvel Television. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Link "Disney" to The Walt Disney Company
- Adjusted the wording here, so link no longer necessary. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'd add "(MCU)" after you mention the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as you use the acronym throughout the article
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Writing
- Just clarification, is "the latter" in the second sentence Loeb?
- Yes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Goddard noted that each of the individual series have different tones from one another, and said that combining them for the miniseries created a different one again. Copyediting suggestion: "Goddard noted that each of the individual series have different tones
from one another, and said that combining them for the miniseries created a different oneagain."- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- ...but in general The Defenders don't have a "Defenders Tower" or matching costumes, for example. This sentence reads as unencyclopedic, I'd revise it
- I've reworded. Let me know what you think. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Choosing an antagonist for the miniseries was another challenge according to Ramirez. There should be a comma after "challenge"
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Loeb did not want a villain like the alien invasion from The Avengers... An alien invasion can't be a villain, just the aliens are villains
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- The final image of The Defenders, in which Murdock wakes up with a nun by his side, is an homage to a panel from the "Born Again" story arc. I'd add that this is a Daredevil arc and it was released in 1986
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Casting
- ...expressed interest in appearing in The Defenders "on the bad side"... The quote can be paraphrased to "as a villain" (or something similar)
- If I recall, the quote was kept to avoid WP:ANTAGONIST. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- ...before Loeb contacted the actress about the project. I'd replace "the actress" with "her", as it's simpler and more direct
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Design (and related subsections)
- Clarkson was also inspired... Cut "also"
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- For Cage's scenes he was inspired by Harris Savides work... → "For Cage's scenes, Lloyd was inspired by Harris Savides' work..."
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- ...designing for The Defenders or for the first season of... Second "for" is unnecessary
- Is there a way to possibly merge the title sequence into another part of the design section (I'm thinking the first paragraph)? One-sentence subsections are discouraged
- I've moved it between the existing paragraph right under "Design" and above the "Cinematography" subsection. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Filming
- The Defenders began filming on October 31... A show can't begin filming, I'd revise to "Filming for The Defenders began on October 31"
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- These caused a lot of issues... WP:EUPHEMISM
- Reworded let me know if this is better. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- and solved their on-set issues. See above
- Simply removed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- ...so much so that... Second "so" is unnecessary
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- Music
- The citation in the second paragraph doesn't need to be repeated, per WP:OVERKILL.
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- Aren't track listings discouraged? This might just be something with the video game project, as there we consider it something that doesn't make sense and isn't interesting to a general audience
- MOS:TVPRODUCTION allows them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- MCU tie-ins
- The Defenders is the final miniseries... isn't it the only miniseries? I'd cut "mini"
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Marketing
- A month later, Netflix and Marvel released an official trailer for the miniseries. Bin "official", in this context no one's going to assume it was unofficial
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Italicize Comic Book Resources
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Critical response
- Rotten Tomatoes has updated its numbers for the series: it's at 77% now with 96 reviews and an average of 6.52/10
- I think someone else got to this, but none the less, done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Italicize /Film
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- [Sciretta] noted the use of color throughout the episode to differentiate the characters. I'd change "note" to "praise". "Note" should only be used when stating an objective fact, not an opinion (i.e. "He noted it was raining" is OK, but "He noted the game was fun" is not)
- I used "highlighted" instead. Is that fine for you? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Italicize io9
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Katharine Trendacosta for io9 had positive thoughts, appreciating... I'd simplify to "Katharine Trendacosta for io9 appreciated" for concision
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- This is minor (you don't really need to do anything about it if you don't feel it's important) but general style is to spell out numerals from 1 to 9, so stuff like "He gave the miniseries 3 out of 5 stars" should be revised to "He gave the miniseries three out of five stars"
- It isn't listed as an exception in MOS:NUMNOTES, but I felt it was, since in publications it is common for "star" ratings, when denoted as numbers, to use the numerals, over writing the numbers out. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Italicize Collider, Uproxx, and IGN
- Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- USA Today's Kelly Lawler was more critical of the series, awarding it 2 out of 4 stars, feeling Rand was the "undeniable handicap" of the series, having hoped that "The Defenders would shy away from Danny and his petulance, but unfortunately, Iron Fist is integral to the larger plot." This is a bit of a run-on, I'd revise it
- Split after "2 out of 4 stars". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- She also noted the pacing issues... Again, "note" should only be used for objective facts. Same thing goes for Krupa's comments
- Both changed. Let us know if you have issues with the options chosen. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- References
- Some of your news websites are not italicized. I noticed Screen Rant, IGN, Comic Book Resources, Refinery29, Untapped Cities, Uproxx, TVLine, and ComicBook.com, but I could have missed a few.
- I think I got them all. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Archive your Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic rankings
- Since RT and MC generally change (though for this now probably unfrequent), archives are usually left off for this reason. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Discussion
I've responded to some of the comments. Waiting to see what Adamstom.97 would like to do for some (they are offline currently), but will circle back and address them later if needed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- OK sounds cool. Should finish this by next Monday. JOEBRO64 19:35, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'll try to hit the rest of these soon. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- @TheJoebro64: Sorry for the delay, I ended up not being on here for much of this week. Will definitely get to these comments ASAP. And Adamstom.97 is back on too, so we can both knock these out and any other concerns you may have. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I am back on as well. Since I missed most of the discussion and it all got a bit messy, I was wondering if you would be able to give a quick rundown of your feelings at the moment and what of the above issues are left to be addressed? Just to make it easier for me to join in at this point. Also, I want to note that the below discussion is effectively abandoned at this point due to the user retiring from Wikipedia. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Adamstom.97: Any of the bullets I have not responded to through "Music" I'd like your thoughts on. Anything after "Music" I just did not get around to addressing, but most likely will shortly after I make this comment. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, I have addressed the two left in the lead and will try get to the cast list soon. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Adamstom.97: Any of the bullets I have not responded to through "Music" I'd like your thoughts on. Anything after "Music" I just did not get around to addressing, but most likely will shortly after I make this comment. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I am back on as well. Since I missed most of the discussion and it all got a bit messy, I was wondering if you would be able to give a quick rundown of your feelings at the moment and what of the above issues are left to be addressed? Just to make it easier for me to join in at this point. Also, I want to note that the below discussion is effectively abandoned at this point due to the user retiring from Wikipedia. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- @TheJoebro64: Sorry for the delay, I ended up not being on here for much of this week. Will definitely get to these comments ASAP. And Adamstom.97 is back on too, so we can both knock these out and any other concerns you may have. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'll try to hit the rest of these soon. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- OK sounds cool. Should finish this by next Monday. JOEBRO64 19:35, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I'm gonna bring up the same issue here I raised at the original GOTG2 GAN (and recently on the talk pages of both Avengers 3 and 4: the citations for "Actor X plays Character Y" should be attached to the statements that they verify, not to unrelated character bios created by Wikipedians based on the show itself. This issue was not addressed in the first GOTG2 GAN, and was enough to fail it, the follow-up GAN should not have ignored the reason for the previous one's failure, and this GAN should not pass without its being addressed. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:10, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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