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:::::After I provided two links that show Haley is credited only with "assistance", how can you cite the ''Autobiography'' as a source for your claim that Haley is the author? — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] <sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 19:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC) |
:::::After I provided two links that show Haley is credited only with "assistance", how can you cite the ''Autobiography'' as a source for your claim that Haley is the author? — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] <sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 19:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::I'm holding a copy ''in front of me''. After 6 years, you (I'm an admin & I pretend my name's Malik Shabazz, so I can't be wrong) decide to change something that's correctly stood because [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT|it sounds better to you that way]]? What a goddamn joke this place is.[[User:Mk5384|Mk5384]] ([[User talk:Mk5384|talk]]) 19:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC) |
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The Autobiography of Malcolm X was written by Alex Haley between 1964 and 1965, based on interviews conducted shortly before Malcolm's death (and with an epilogue for after it)....
What is the meaning of what is in the parenthesis? I was going to attempt to make it syntactical, but I can't even figure out what it's supposed to say.
This substantial stub expansion was written by McDogm, un-logged in as a result of computer cookie problems. It needs a link to Cornell Wild.
This article says it was published in 1965, while the Alex Haley article gives a publication date of 1972.
Intercollegiate Review
I see no significance to the reference to the Intercollegiate review. Following the link simply produces a series of highly partisan bashing of various books, in which "Autobiography" in incidentally mentioned. It seems of only transitory value, and I'm removing it from article. -Raskolnikov
- I agree. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 05:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Inaccuracies
Just because the book is important doesn't mean its inaccuracies can't be listed. Malcolm X was known for exaggerating events to serve his rhetorical needs---a wikipedia article should be balanced enough to acknowledge that the book contains inaccuracies proffered by Malcolm X himself, and not due to any error by Haley. Both of the facts listed--the palming of the bullet and the misstating the historical nature of Atilla the Hun---are valid criticisms of Malcom X's autobiography. The final chapters added by Haley after Malcolm's death detail the "palming the bullet" story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.27.111.123 (talk) 01:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Even if the criticisms are valid, they can't be added to the article unless there is a source stating who has made them. ... discospinster talk 02:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- You describe the book's "many inaccuracies" as "notabl[e]". If they are significant, it shouldn't be hard to find a verifiable reliable source that makes those criticisms. Without a source, that's just your own personal commentary, which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 02:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, that's not logical. 1st. The story about Malcolm X "palming the bullet" is IN THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY'S POSTHUMUS CHAPTER. In other words, the citing the story would involve citing the article itself. 2nd. THE STORY ABOUT ATILLA THE HUN IS LINKED TO WIKIPEDIA'S ARTICLE ON ATILLA. You're just trying to stifle criticism of X. Note how you don't allow anything bad in the article criticizing him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.27.111.123 (talk) 15:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- In the first case, if the claim is made in the book itself, then the citation would be the book. In the second case, unfortunately one Wikipedia article cannot use another Wikipedia article as its source (or any open-wiki-type site for that matter). If the claim in Atilla the Hun has a citation, then you can use that citation for this article as well. It's not a matter of "allowing" criticism; it's about verifying claims, whether they are positive or negative. If someone added that Malcolm X developed a cure for cancer, that would be removed too, if it wasn't referenced! ... discospinster talk 15:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- First, Malcolm didn't have a daughter named Attila. Her name is Attallah. Second, nobody would mistake his Autobiography for a book of ancient history (he makes a three word, parenthetical mention of the sack of Rome*), or a work on genetics (he mentions the work of Gregor Mendel), etc. Including a paragraph in the article about Attila and the sack of Rome gives WP:Undue weight to an insignificant point in the book.
- * "Attallah, our oldest daughter, was born in November 1958. She's named for Attilah the Hun (he sacked Rome)." — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 17:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I think that something has been missed here, especially with the "palming the bullet" story. It seems to be implied above that Malcolm lied about the bullet, and Haley corrected it in the end. Note that the entire book was written by Haley. Malcolm told Haley the story about pulling the trigger three times. Later, once their friendship had been solidified, and Haley had, for the better part, gained Malcolm's trust (an extreme rarity), Malcolm admitted to palming the bullet. In describing the conversation, Haley almost makes it seem like Malcolm admitted this to him in a moment of light comic relief. Haley leaves the story as Malcolm first told it, in keeping with the motif of Malcolm's activities, and mindset at the time. Later in the book, when it is learned that Malcolm palmed the bullet, the reader almost has a sense of relief. This is largely the same sense the reader finds later in the book, upon learning that Malcolm was not a racist-that he felt disillusioned with the NOI's (then) teachings about whites after seeing white Muslims in Mecca, or that he regretted telling the young caucasian girl who asked him what she could do to help, "Nothing". This wasn't Malcolm lying in the book. It was Haley leaving the story as it was told to him, then correcting it, as it was later told to him, to make for better reading.Mk5384 (talk) 06:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Time magazine
"Time magazine top ten most important nonfiction books of the 20th century"...anyone have the link to the full list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.174.44 (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Malcolm X's opinion of his Autobiography
During a recent program on CSPAN's Book TV,[1] wherein Ishmael Reed interviews Mark Rudd, Reed interjects that Malcolm X disavowed the Autobiography before he died. Probably not notable enough to put into the article as-is - but might be something a dogged researcher could follow up on. (Might this relate to Manning Marable's book, cited in the article?) Just something to consider, maybe. --Davecampbell (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting. The Autobiography was published after Malcolm X's assassination, but maybe he said something negative about it before he died. Many people are eagerly awaiting Marable's book, which promises all sorts of revelations concerning Haley and the Autobiography. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] (talk · contribs) 00:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Playboy
It first appeared in Playboy, yes? How much of it? Over how many issues? First publication seems notable, but I don't have sources for it. (I learned about the Playboy thing from the article on Haley.) Thmazing (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Authorship
The Autobiography of Malcom X was written by Alex Haley, with assistance from Malcolm X. The first line of the article stated this exactly backwards. I've noted that this was only changed 2 months ago, after having stood correctly for 6 years. Mk5384 (talk) 05:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- The book says "By Malcolm X with the assistance of Alex Haley", and that's what the article should say. In the section "Writing the Autobiography", I made it clear that Haley wrote the book based on his interviews with Malcolm X. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- Here's the book. What does it say on the cover? "With the assistance of Alex Haley". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- Here it is at Google Books. "with the assistance of Alex Haley". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- After I provided two links that show Haley is credited only with "assistance", how can you cite the Autobiography as a source for your claim that Haley is the author? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm holding a copy in front of me. After 6 years, you (I'm an admin & I pretend my name's Malik Shabazz, so I can't be wrong) decide to change something that's correctly stood because it sounds better to you that way? What a goddamn joke this place is.Mk5384 (talk) 19:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- After I provided two links that show Haley is credited only with "assistance", how can you cite the Autobiography as a source for your claim that Haley is the author? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)