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:The concept has been deemed racist for reasons that seem fairly obvious to me. You are segregating contestants by race and then "pitting" one race against the other. Did you ever see the movie [[The Great White Hype]]? If they had separate them into "Team Catholic, Team Protestant, Team Judaism, and Team Islam" this could have also been seen as divisive. Age and gender, despite CBS's protestations, are not at all similar. For one thing age and gender have affects on health or social skills relating to survival that are less debated. For another there's never been much or any history of "Gender riots", "Age riots", "Gender Segregation", or "Age segregation" in North America.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 04:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
:The concept has been deemed racist for reasons that seem fairly obvious to me. You are segregating contestants by race and then "pitting" one race against the other. Did you ever see the movie [[The Great White Hype]]? If they had separate them into "Team Catholic, Team Protestant, Team Judaism, and Team Islam" this could have also been seen as divisive. Age and gender, despite CBS's protestations, are not at all similar. For one thing age and gender have affects on health or social skills relating to survival that are less debated. For another there's never been much or any history of "Gender riots", "Age riots", "Gender Segregation", or "Age segregation" in North America.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 04:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::Again, I didn't call the sort order racist. I do not think you sorted them for racist reasons. However, I do not agree with your sort order. Your sort order does not make any sense and seems arbitrary to me. It's not by tribe color, tribe name, contestant first or last name, or even alphabetical by the tribe's race. As for why, other editors did not change the order, we did... we changed it to alphabetical by last name as per precedent of previous seasons. -- [[User:Gogo Dodo|Gogo Dodo]] 05:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
Revision as of 05:47, 1 September 2006
Spoiler
Can we take off the spoiler warning, or does mentioning the return of Exile Island count as a spoiler? --Maxamegalon2000 03:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- We can definatly take it off. The name and location has been revealed, and the Exile Island returning part has been revealed, both by the actual show, so it is no longer a spoiler. I'll do that right now TeckWiz 11:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Revert
I have reverted back to revision 66660856 by Hotwiki because the two anons who put/changed info gave no sources. Also, the list of possible contestants is risky, as it hasn't been confirmed at all. TeckWizTalkContribs# of Edits 10:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Contestants list
The articles for the previous series have not had the contestants age and home towns in the table. I'm not sure that information brings any particular value to the table. Any opinions on leaving that information in or removing it? My opinion is to remove it. The bolding seems a little excessive, too. I've also have doubts about the seemingly random choice of tribe colors. I'd rather see no color until the series actually airs since tribe color tends to be important in the game. -- Gogo Dodo 01:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- The tribe colors aren't random - the buffs were on display this morning on the Early Show. HeyNow10029 01:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I was not aware of that. -- Gogo Dodo 02:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
TRIBE NAMES
Havent seen any spoiler sites with these names yet.
and the person who put it up is not a Wiki user nor did they verify (or put in) their source.
Are the tribe names correct?
Removing it until it can be verified click me
<d3345>l4V78> 08:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Order of contestants
Why in that order?
It appeared to be orginally random then someone changed it alpabetically by tribes and contestants, then it was back.
It may not be the case, but the "white" tribe always appear to be on top.
Plus - there should be a consensus over what language to use.
<d3345>l4V78> 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- I would say to order the contestants alphabetical by last name since that is the order used in previous series. Everything will sort out as the survivors are voted out, but until voted out, it should be alphabetical by last name. -- Gogo Dodo 06:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, Ill change it to alphabetical by last name and see what happens... If it changes back to Rarotonga on top then we'll know something's up...
<d3345>l4V78> 08:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, Ill change it to alphabetical by last name and see what happens... If it changes back to Rarotonga on top then we'll know something's up...
- This series of Survivor has sparked a good deal of attention and controversy even outside the United States.[1][2]T. Anthony 06:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- This is already mentioned on the Survivor front page. If you would like, I would say stick it in =)
<d3345>l4V78> 08:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- This is already mentioned on the Survivor front page. If you would like, I would say stick it in =)
- I think it should be, probably in it's own subsection, but I don't think the order of the contestants should be driven by hows the tribes are split. -- Gogo Dodo 06:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Request To Protect Article Page
Not sure if it is significant enough, but if possible, could someone protect the page from vandalism and constant reversions?
- Wikipedia policy is to avoid usage of capitals which were removed, but user 74.12.145.196 reverts back
- Survivor pages dictate contestants to be listed alphabetically by surname pre-show but user 74.12.145.196 reverts back
- Caucasian-American tribe continually returned to top of the table (racist behaviour?)
- vandalism
<d3345>l4V78> 14:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- We should get semi-protecion for a day of two, which would also give us time to get these accounts blocked. TeckWizTalkContribs# of Edits 14:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Controversy
Can we have some information on the controversy surrounding this? More than a couple of people have voiced their displeasure with the premise of this particular "Survivor," for obvious reasons.SolrosorSolrosor
- A section on the controversy was there, but certain anonymous editors keep removing it. I restored the section in question. -- Gogo Dodo 23:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I am the person who reverts the Survivor Cook Islands page
Hey Gogo Dodo [and possibly others],
I've finally caught up to the person that has been constantly editting the paragraph that I personally put in. Prior to any of your changes, my original contribution and work to wikipedia was as follows:
"On a September 4th issue of TV Guide, the names of the 4 tribes were revealed: Aitutaki (Hispanics-RED), Rarotonga (Caucasians-BLUE), Manihiki (Africans-YELLOW) and Puka Puka (Asians-GREEN). All four tribes are named after the many islands in the nation .[1]"
After your editing to my original work, it became as follows:
"On the September 4 issue of TV Guide, the names of the four tribes were revealed: Aitutaki (Hispanic-Americans - red), Rarotonga (Caucasian-Americans - blue), Manihiki (African-Americans - yellow) and Puka Puka (Asian-Americans - green). All four tribes are named after the many islands in the nation .[4]"
Also I've read your message: "Users: 74.12.145.196 (Azn sam8 ?) keep reverting the Survivor: Cook Islands article in ways that appear to be racist (the Rarotonga - Caucasian American tribe are always changed back to being on top) and inserting capitals that have been changed to lower case more than once. Could you block the offending user or protect the page please?"
I personally take a huge offense to you blaming me of something that I did not or did not intend to do. First of all I do not understand what you are talking about when you say the Caucasians are always being on top. Secondly, I am Asian so why would I be racist to my own people by putting the Asians below the Caucasians? Thirdly, if your going to make something so little become a huge issue then I find that very very immature.
My final complaint is you refering the Caucasians as "Caucasian Americans". Caucasians are already Americans so refering them as "Caucasian Americans" is entirely unnessary
And please feel free to discuss with me through hotmail as well because I'm not quite familiar with the messaging system on Wikipedia.
My hotmail is: azn_sam8@hotmail.com. You may talk to me through MSN Messenger as well.
Seriously we better settle this because I know your starting to get annoyed by me reverting my work. All I'm asking you is to stop editing that ONE PARAGRAPH that I've put up on wikipedia
- Please remember that Wikipedia is an online and open encyclopedia, where everyone is allowed to edit the exisiting information. While you can have your own input, please note that Wikipedians work together to create a consensus on how articles should be edited and presented. These rules and policies are put into place for Wikipedia entries to promote consistency in presentation, meaning, and information.
- If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed fairly by others, do not submit it.
- See Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more information on editing.
- <d3345>l4V78> 03:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Since you are addressing me directly, you need to look at the revision history a little more carefully. I did not make the changes that you claim that I did. I did not call you racist. However, I do agree with the other editors about the changes. As for your specific points: On your revision [4], the caucasian tribe is listed first. The sort order that you have is not apparent to me. It is not sorted by last name, first name, or tribe name. If you review the other seasons of Survivor (and the discussion above), you will see that the default sort order is by last name. The sort order will eventually change to how the contestants are voted out, but for the contestants who are still in the game, the order is by last name. About your reverts, you are reverting more than just your one paragraph. You are also removing any other changes between your last revision on your revert. For example, I made some stylistic changes other other fixes [5], which you promptly removed. As others have pointed out Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia and your additions will get edited and/or thrown out. It happens to everybody. That's the nature of the place. Wikipedia is also a place of consensus. When making large changes, getting consensus is best. And the consensus here appears to be to leave the sort order and changes as they are, not your revision. -- Gogo Dodo 05:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Furthermore
I dont get how you and another user TeckWiz see organizing the tribes by their race as "racist". If you think it is racist dont watch the show. Please give me a clear forward straight answer how this is racist. First and foremost I was not the orginal person who organized them that way so do not rant on me for something that I did not do. Secondly, how can you say that "I" or someone else organized them purely based on their race?? There are other factors that they could've been intended to be grouped: Tribe colour, Tribe name, etc...
Lastly, why are you and TeckWiz making such a huge issue with the Caucasians being on the top? How is that racist towards the other contestants? Keep in mind that I am Asian so why would I demean my own race? And if you view that as racism why don't you organize them by alphabetical order?
Please do email me or even add me on MSN Messenger so we could furthur discuss this because I am really getting annoyed of having to revert the edited articles back into the pre-vandalised ones.
My email is: azn_sam8@hotmail.com
- Please remember that Wikipedia is an online and open encyclopedia, where everyone is allowed to edit the exisiting information. While you can have your own input, please note that Wikipedians work together to create a consensus on how articles should be edited and presented. These rules and policies are put into place for Wikipedia entries to promote consistency in presentation, meaning, and information.
- If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed fairly by others, do not submit it.
- See Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more information on editing.
- <d3345>l4V78> 03:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- The concept has been deemed racist for reasons that seem fairly obvious to me. You are segregating contestants by race and then "pitting" one race against the other. Did you ever see the movie The Great White Hype? If they had separate them into "Team Catholic, Team Protestant, Team Judaism, and Team Islam" this could have also been seen as divisive. Age and gender, despite CBS's protestations, are not at all similar. For one thing age and gender have affects on health or social skills relating to survival that are less debated. For another there's never been much or any history of "Gender riots", "Age riots", "Gender Segregation", or "Age segregation" in North America.--T. Anthony 04:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Again, I didn't call the sort order racist. I do not think you sorted them for racist reasons. However, I do not agree with your sort order. Your sort order does not make any sense and seems arbitrary to me. It's not by tribe color, tribe name, contestant first or last name, or even alphabetical by the tribe's race. As for why, other editors did not change the order, we did... we changed it to alphabetical by last name as per precedent of previous seasons. -- Gogo Dodo 05:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)