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::::::::One wonders why you keep bringing up Wikipedia as a source; I haven't cited it, beyond pointing out the same grammatical constructions that you apparently think are fine. |
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::::::::Better start writing some letters to the editor - the ''NYT'' [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/the-historian-jon-meacham-who-wrote-of-the-soul-of-america-has-been-working-on-bidens-speeches.html disagrees with you], as does ''[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/15/molesworth-was-wrong-latin-has-its-uses/ The Telegraph]'', ''[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/15/james-sharpe-obituary The Guardian]'', etc. [[User:Parsecboy|Parsecboy]] ([[User talk:Parsecboy|talk]]) 16:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
::::::::Better start writing some letters to the editor - the ''NYT'' [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/the-historian-jon-meacham-who-wrote-of-the-soul-of-america-has-been-working-on-bidens-speeches.html disagrees with you], as does ''[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/15/molesworth-was-wrong-latin-has-its-uses/ The Telegraph]'', ''[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/15/james-sharpe-obituary The Guardian]'', etc. [[User:Parsecboy|Parsecboy]] ([[User talk:Parsecboy|talk]]) 16:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I haven't "abandoned the discussion" (as you accuse me...). I have already explained why you are wrong. I don't have plenty of time to (mis)allocate to endless parallel monologues with you on grammar and syntax. Sorry... [[User:Shams lnm|Shams lnm]] ([[User talk:Shams lnm|talk]]) 22:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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GA Review
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Spanish battleship Jaime I/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: QatarStarsLeague (talk · contribs) 00:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC) I will be reviewing all three of the España-class battleship articles. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 00:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Lead & infobox
Convert turret length.
- Both are already linked.
Service history
You should red link Spanish gunboat Eduardo Dato.
Conclusion
These two issues remain. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Photos
Here and here. Parsecboy (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Grammar
@Shams lnm: - in this case, "historian" as a title is an adjective that describes the individuals. The definite article is required in this case. You would not say "I went to the the store, and cashier Bob rang me up"; you'd say "I went to the store and the cashier Bob rang me up." Please stop edit-warring poor grammar into the article. Parsecboy (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Historian is NOT an adjective; it’s a noun. And, yes, you are plainly wrong. I am surprised by your confidence. You are so wrong and so confident at the same time. Wow! Shams lnm (talk) 13:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- What you wrote is so wrong in so many respects that I am genuinely surprised. Do you really believe that “historian” is an adjective? Seriously?
- Your example is -equally- wrong. No, we don’t write “I went to the store and the cashier Bob rang me up”; in English, we write: I went to the store and the cashier, Bob, rang me up. Shams lnm (talk) 13:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tell me, if you're eating chicken soup, what part of speech is "chicken"? Parsecboy (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- chicken soup - Wiktionary, the free dictionary Shams lnm (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Chicken is an attributive noun (or noun modifier) in the phrase chicken soup. It tells us what is in the soup." https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/133325/is-chicken-a-modifier-in-chicken-soup Shams lnm (talk) 14:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you know any other words for an “attributive noun”? Also, why are you citing the equivalent of Quora? Do you understand what a reliable source is? Parsecboy (talk) 14:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- “Do you know any other words for an “attributive noun”?”
- Yes, I do.
- “Also, why are you citing the equivalent of Quora?”
- To give you context.
- “Do you understand what a reliable source is?”
- I fully do. Do you understand what a reliable source is? And, actually, do you consider Wikipedia to be a reliable source of information?
- Bottom line: It is evident to anybody with a rudimentary knowledge of the English language that you are wrong. I am still surprised by your confidence. I am tempted to ask you where did you complete your secondary education; was it in an English-speaking country or somewhere else? Shams lnm (talk) 14:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- So you understand that in the phrase "chicken soup", "chicken" is functioning as an adjective that modifies "soup"? Good, glad we're on the same page.
- Clearly you don't, if you're citing a forum post to support your argument.
- Do me a favor and read the rest of the article. Are you suggesting that:
- The French added the battleship Paris, two cruisers, and several other vessels. should drop the definite article?
- On 2 October, sailors from Jaime I, having learned that the destroyer Almirante Ferrándiz had been sunk by the Nationalists should drop the definite article?
- Since you don't seem to be aware, you need to rethink your personalized commentary. Parsecboy (talk) 15:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- - “Chicken” is a noun; “soup” is a noun; “chicken soup” is a noun; in “chicken soup”, “chicken” functions as an attributive noun.
- - “Historian” is a common noun; “Albert Nofi” and “Marco Mattioli” are proper nouns. Using the definite article “the” before “historian” or “military historian” is wrong in the said context.
- - The chicken soup example is an ill-chosen one.
- - I will give you some examples that are indeed relevant. When you visit a hospital, do you say “I have an appointment with doctor Evans” or “I have an appointment with THE doctor Evans”? When you refer to a mathematician’s work on Goldbach’s conjecture, do you write “the proof presented by mathematician Helfgott […]” or “the proof presented by THE mathematician Helfgott […]”? When you talk to a friend of yours on the phone, do you say “THE doctor Evans prescribed me […]” or “Doctor Evans prescribed me […]”?
- - “Do me a favor and read the rest of the article. Are you suggesting that:
- The French added the battleship Paris, two cruisers, and several other vessels. should drop the definite article?
- On 2 October, sailors from Jaime I, having learned that the destroyer Almirante Ferrándiz had been sunk by the Nationalists should drop the definite article?”
- No, I don’t.
- - Do you consider Wikipedia to be a reliable source of information? Is [not always, sometimes] a Wikipedia entry sort of a “forum post”? The answer is “yes”, when we refer to thousands of brief entries citing no bibliography.
- - “Since you don't seem to be aware, you need to rethink your personalized commentary.”
- Same thing for you when you asked me if I “know any other words for an attributive noun” and if I “understand what a reliable source is”. Shams lnm (talk) 16:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please explain why the noun "historian" does not require a definite article when it describes "Albert Nofi", but the noun "battleship" does require the definite article when it describes "Paris".
- As far as your examples, I'm sure you are aware that vernacular English does not follow the same rules.
- One wonders why you keep bringing up Wikipedia as a source; I haven't cited it, beyond pointing out the same grammatical constructions that you apparently think are fine.
- Better start writing some letters to the editor - the NYT disagrees with you, as does The Telegraph, The Guardian, etc. Parsecboy (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you know any other words for an “attributive noun”? Also, why are you citing the equivalent of Quora? Do you understand what a reliable source is? Parsecboy (talk) 14:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tell me, if you're eating chicken soup, what part of speech is "chicken"? Parsecboy (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)