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::It's your ignorance to state that all other language people would ask to add theirs if we add Tamil. The reason to add Tamil is that it is the oldest language than Sanskrit. It is not wrong to add Sanskrit represting North Indian language and likewise Tamil for a Dravidian language. Since all other Dravidian languages were born from Tamil and Sanskrit together! Shiva is not a mythological figure, he's not some iron man or super man. He is person who lived and became immortal. He spoke Tamil and we have ample evidence for that ex. Sage Agastya! It is your biased nature to not include tamil thinking other language people would ask for the same. That can't be entertained as we soley only have Tamil and Sanskrit as the first languages spoken in Bharath [[Special:Contributions/122.164.84.18|122.164.84.18]] ([[User talk:122.164.84.18|talk]]) 11:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
::It's your ignorance to state that all other language people would ask to add theirs if we add Tamil. The reason to add Tamil is that it is the oldest language than Sanskrit. It is not wrong to add Sanskrit represting North Indian language and likewise Tamil for a Dravidian language. Since all other Dravidian languages were born from Tamil and Sanskrit together! Shiva is not a mythological figure, he's not some iron man or super man. He is person who lived and became immortal. He spoke Tamil and we have ample evidence for that ex. Sage Agastya! It is your biased nature to not include tamil thinking other language people would ask for the same. That can't be entertained as we soley only have Tamil and Sanskrit as the first languages spoken in Bharath [[Special:Contributions/122.164.84.18|122.164.84.18]] ([[User talk:122.164.84.18|talk]]) 11:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:::122, this article's lede is not the place to re-fight old linguistic battles over the primacy and age of Sanskrit and Tamil. Please establish consensus for inclusion instead of edit-warring. Personally, I am okay with the article lede [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shiva&oldid=1158667092 as it is] or even with removing the Devanagari spelling (while leaving in the Romanization and IPA, since they provide important information about pronunciation). But again wait for consensus before changing the stable version. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 14:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
:::122, this article's lede is not the place to re-fight old linguistic battles over the primacy and age of Sanskrit and Tamil. Please establish consensus for inclusion instead of edit-warring. Personally, I am okay with the article lede [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shiva&oldid=1158667092 as it is] or even with removing the Devanagari spelling (while leaving in the Romanization and IPA, since they provide important information about pronunciation). But again wait for consensus before changing the stable version. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 14:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::::You first wait for consensus before removing it. Same here, it is not the place for linguistic battles. Tamil is the oldest classical language even before Sanskrit existed! If you can have your preferred classical language, why not tamil as it is the oldest one of all. It is your ignorance and personal bias which is the actual problem. Shiva spoke tamil and being the oldest language in the world, it must be included!!!! [[Special:Contributions/122.164.84.18|122.164.84.18]] ([[User talk:122.164.84.18|talk]]) 14:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Shiva worship was prohibited in Hinduism
I did not see how Shiva was introduced into Hinduism. Initially worshiping Shiva was prohibited because of being mlechcha but finally was accepted. Would you please mind to add such a very important point 146.196.47.133 (talk) 15:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Shiva was mentioned in the Vedas, for example in Rig Veda 7.59.12: "Tryambaka we worship, sweet augmenter of prosperity. As from its stem the cucumber, so may I be released from death, not reft of immortality." Temp0000002 (talk) 09:31, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Vedanta which is the oral and written down foundation of Hinduism regards Maha Deva Shiva is a balancing energy or force that works with Brahma and Vishnu.
Brahma Deva creates, Vishnu Devata sustains, Maha Deva Shiva destroys. A paradox, he also takes halahala to protect the Universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TejeshwarTaneja (talk • contribs) 22:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Simply beautiful! Lord Shiva is not the destroyer, he is a creator and protector! He is Mahadev! It is once said that when Brahma and Vishnu were quarreling among themselves about who is more powerful, Shiva revealed himself to them as a column of radiant fire and informed them that whoever found the source or limit of it would be superior to the other. After this laborious task, Vishnu discovered that his attempts to find the origin of "Varaha" were futile and acknowledged his inability to do so. Brahma has found out the same, however, due to his pride, he claimed that he had reached the end. As a result, Shiva cursed him for his ego and stated that he will no longer be worshipped in temples. It was then they discovered who was the Mahadev! 104.230.12.92 (talk) 17:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Change title of page
The title of page needs to be changed to "Maha Deva Shiva"
Maha- Great Deva - God Maha Deva Shiva
Maha Deva is a title attached to Lord Shiva. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TejeshwarTaneja (talk • contribs) 22:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, Lord Shiva is Mahadev, the supreme being of the universe. He existed before there was anything and he will exist after there is nothing. He is what we have and what we do not have. He is everything! He is Devon ke Dev, Mahadev! However, I think the title of the article is appropriate as not everyone views him as such, even in Hinduism in itself. Om Namah Shivaya! 104.230.12.92 (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- No, I think the title is fine… 104.230.12.92 (talk) 15:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Shiva has 3 son
Lord Shiva has 3 sons Ganapati Murugan Ayyappan 59.95.3.105 (talk) 06:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, Shiva is known to have many children. However, I think that this article is only mentioning his children with his wife, his other half in the Ardhanarishvara, Devi Parvati! Swami Ayyappan's biological mother is Mohini, Vishnu's female avatar. Also, Swami Ayyappan was adopted by the King of Pandalam- who became his father as well. 104.230.12.92 (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Use of the phrase "Hindu Mythology"
While I understand that this well-written article was created with good intentions, the phrase "Hindu Mythology" has erupted throughout all Wikipedia articles about Hinduism- or Hindu-related gods and can be interpreted as disrespectful. Hinduism is a religion, a way of life, and the 1 billion people who follow this way of life hold its "myths" in high regard. The phrase "Hindu mythology" has been incorrectly used synonymously with the religion for many years, which is understandable, but perhaps it is time to modify that. It is disturbing to simply dismiss the religion as "mythology" given that it is still practiced by a significant portion of the world's population (about 15%). Additionally, as a Hindu myself, I believe it to be quite disrespectful to both my existence. Our Shiva, our Mahadev, is a reality for many, so please refrain from dismissing our Lord Shiva as a myth. I humbly request that the use of mythology in this article should be corrected. I will also be posting this on many other talks including the Hindu Mythology wiki page.
I believe the article (linked below) put it best...although the words myth or mythology itself do not mean fiction, they certainly imply it. Perhaps using the a phrase "Hindu epics" or even "Hinduism" itself is a start.
https://bookriot.com/hindu-epics-are-they-myths/
Thank you for understanding and hope to see some changes! :) OtherstuffWP (talk) 21:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- As a Hindu myself, the phrase Hindu mythology is perfectly fine to say. It refers to our collection of stories, and tales that teach us our Sanatana Dharma, our way of life. It does not at all promote that our ideas are fiction. In fact, even if it did imply such, it should not be a problem because as long as you or I believe in what we believe, then Mahadev is with us. Because we both are Bhagvan and Shakti as Shakti and Bhagvan is in us. The Self, the Truth is in both of us. Whether we choose to believe in such is a choice. I believe that every religion in the world is connected through one belief- GOD is with us. We should let people believe and say whatever they wish to say and let it not alter us. 104.230.12.92 (talk) 23:33, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Please understand that editors that work on Hindu mythology articles have reiterated for over a decade that the term mythology, as far as this encyclopedia is concerned, refers to a collection of traditional stories or narratives, with no connotation of fiction or falsehood. Choose not to be disrespected and you won't feel disrespected. Chronikhiles (talk) 11:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Inclusion of Tamil
Tamil being the oldest language in the world than Sanskrit needs to be included in displaying shiva's name. Shiva himself spoke that language and it cannot be neglected because of hatredness towards it! 122.164.84.18 (talk) 07:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Shiva himself is a mythological figure and we don't know what language he spoke. There is no reason to include Tamil in this and the Brahma article over any other Indian language. If we have Tamil in the lead someone will add Kannada, and then Oriya, and then Malayalam, and before you know we've got every Indian language represented before you even get to the first sentence.
- Does anyone else agree/disagree? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 09:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- It's your ignorance to state that all other language people would ask to add theirs if we add Tamil. The reason to add Tamil is that it is the oldest language than Sanskrit. It is not wrong to add Sanskrit represting North Indian language and likewise Tamil for a Dravidian language. Since all other Dravidian languages were born from Tamil and Sanskrit together! Shiva is not a mythological figure, he's not some iron man or super man. He is person who lived and became immortal. He spoke Tamil and we have ample evidence for that ex. Sage Agastya! It is your biased nature to not include tamil thinking other language people would ask for the same. That can't be entertained as we soley only have Tamil and Sanskrit as the first languages spoken in Bharath 122.164.84.18 (talk) 11:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- 122, this article's lede is not the place to re-fight old linguistic battles over the primacy and age of Sanskrit and Tamil. Please establish consensus for inclusion instead of edit-warring. Personally, I am okay with the article lede as it is or even with removing the Devanagari spelling (while leaving in the Romanization and IPA, since they provide important information about pronunciation). But again wait for consensus before changing the stable version. Abecedare (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- You first wait for consensus before removing it. Same here, it is not the place for linguistic battles. Tamil is the oldest classical language even before Sanskrit existed! If you can have your preferred classical language, why not tamil as it is the oldest one of all. It is your ignorance and personal bias which is the actual problem. Shiva spoke tamil and being the oldest language in the world, it must be included!!!! 122.164.84.18 (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- 122, this article's lede is not the place to re-fight old linguistic battles over the primacy and age of Sanskrit and Tamil. Please establish consensus for inclusion instead of edit-warring. Personally, I am okay with the article lede as it is or even with removing the Devanagari spelling (while leaving in the Romanization and IPA, since they provide important information about pronunciation). But again wait for consensus before changing the stable version. Abecedare (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- It's your ignorance to state that all other language people would ask to add theirs if we add Tamil. The reason to add Tamil is that it is the oldest language than Sanskrit. It is not wrong to add Sanskrit represting North Indian language and likewise Tamil for a Dravidian language. Since all other Dravidian languages were born from Tamil and Sanskrit together! Shiva is not a mythological figure, he's not some iron man or super man. He is person who lived and became immortal. He spoke Tamil and we have ample evidence for that ex. Sage Agastya! It is your biased nature to not include tamil thinking other language people would ask for the same. That can't be entertained as we soley only have Tamil and Sanskrit as the first languages spoken in Bharath 122.164.84.18 (talk) 11:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)