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Reverting erasures
There are and were more mentions of Bristol than Track. Sarah called the police on Track after he beat his dad bloody, and they had him prosecuted, causing him to get a one-year sentence. There are more mentions of Ivanka and Donald Jr. and Jared in the Trump article than there were of Track before my edits were reverted. Please seek consensus. We're not a fan club for anyone. Activist (talk) 20:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, this isn't a fan club for anyone. It is an online encyclopaedia. One with policies regarding article content, including WP:BLP. And since this article isn't about Track Palin, we need a better reason to include content about him in it than it not being a fan club. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, this is about Palin, Sarah. Not about her son Track or Track's relationship with his father. --StellarNerd (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, WP:BLP states in part in its lede Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. Basically all of those things apply to your proposed edits. That and the fact that the proposed material isnt even about Sarah Palin makes exclusion a no brainer. Bonewah (talk) 21:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Request restoration of deleted text in endorsement section
I believe an editor inadvertently deleted the below line in the endorsement section during this edit, described as "Reverted good faith edits by Activist (talk): This is not an article about Palin's family".
In 2010, former congressman and influential TV host Joe Scarborough urged his party to dissociate itself from her.[1]
Editors on the talk page (above) reached consensus on the removal of the family matters; however, this appears to me to be unintentional. Can it be restored? Ushistorygeek (talk) 17:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absent objections, I will restore this line in the 2010 section. Ushistorygeek (talk) 02:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I object. There is no indication that Joe Scarborough's opinion of Palin is of particular relevance. Everyone has an opinion, you need to demonstrate that this person's opinion had some notable or substantial effect on Palin's life to warrant inclusion in this biography. Per WP:ONUS and BRD i am removing this material pending further discussion. Bonewah (talk) 12:46, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully disagree. This was included in the article for *years* without objection and was removed (by you) without cause and an edit summary that did not address the topic Ushistorygeek (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Magnolia677 The quote you deleted was present in the article for years before and UCR edit. The content removed provides context relevant to the subhead 2010 endorsements, and conforms to BLP . Ushistorygeek (talk) 00:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's a cherrypicked criticism. Please seek consensus, per WP:VNOT. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This section is titled 2010 endorsement and includes quotes and endorsements from the following political and media figures:
Shushannah Walshe
Karl Rove
Ben Smith
Davin Frum
Jonathan Chait
I believe the sourced statement, which has been included in the article for years, is just as, if not more, meaningful than different than the above. Ushistorygeek (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're correct, of course. Scrubbing of Sarah's article is going to full court press. Bonewah has repeated him or herself today. Activist (talk) 20:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This latest addition is another cherrypicked criticism and there is no 'scrubbing' of anything. You attempted to add this on the third of september. Just as above, i see no indication that this one person's criticism had any lasting impact or import to the subject. Again, per WP:ONUS and BRD i am removing this material. Please demonstrate that re-adding this will substantially help the reader understand the subject before re-adding. Bonewah (talk) 13:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So i did a little digging on this subject and the top items i could find all indicate that Palin was not connected to Bill Allen or VECO aside from the one campaign donation. Several of the articles indicate that she worked against Allen and his interests, sometimes explicitly:
This reuters article about VECO and Bill Allen's corruption convictions says this about Palin "Meanwhile, the oil producers and their allies are fighting attempts by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to rewrite the scandal-clouded tax bill."
This Newsminer article about a book on Alaska corruption describes Palin's involvement with VECO thusly ""Palin was a child of Alaska’s boom years who came of age viewing the state’s raw materials as public property, the oil companies as the state’s natural opponents, and the free ride paid for with resource revenues as the God-given birthright of every Alaskan. Consequently, during her brief tenure in office, the woman who has since become the darling of American conservatives governed the state as a socialist, going so far as to pass the largest tax increase in state history on oil producers and to hand out bonus checks to every resident. Along with punitive taxes, she also pushed through a gas line act so anti-industry that it virtually assured the pipeline wouldn’t get built."
This CNN article tries hard to make Palin look bad, but ultimately says that "Palin aides also asked Allen to resign from a seat on a state board that cultivated ties with the Canadian province of Alberta, a request to which Allen -- who was later sentenced to three years in prison -- quickly agreed."
This 'Alaska Corruption timeline' Politico article says "State Senator John Cowdery (R-Anchorage) indicted on conspiracy and bribery charges related to the VECO scandal. Governor Sarah Palin urged Cowdery to resign from the State Senate." and "Governor Palin Called On Stevens To Break Silence After FBI Raid. Governor Sarah Palin said that she and Alaskans are owed a more thorough explanation from Senator Stevens about why he is under federal investigation."
The New Yorker no friend to Palin, wrote an extensive bio. Some mention of VECO and Bill Allen, but as to any connection with Palin, the New Yorker says "Palin was elected governor just as Alaska’s political establishment was being realigned by the Veco bribery scandal. She had no role in exposing the corruption, but she was swift to see opportunity in the moment of crisis." The article goes on to detail Palin's proposed gas pipe deal with a Canadian Company unconnected to VECO or Bill Allen.
So, based on what reliable sources seem to say about VECO, Bill Allen and Sarah Palin, i feel that insinuating some kind of connection would be totally at odds with what the reliable sources actually say. If anything we should probably detail her hostility towards the state's existing corruption. Bonewah (talk) 14:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scrubbing of article, "recentism," notability, etc.
Sarah Palin's family is a clearly newsworthy topic, much as are Joe Biden's or Donald Trump's. She was present, calling police as Track attacked Todd. Bonewah's ("B"s) edits reveal some interesting features. As of yesterday, "B" has edited the Palin article's Talk page 138 times, adding 71,264 bytes. I haven't the time to go over those one by one, but it appears "B" differed with and erased edits to the articles made by many editors. "B" has edited the "Political Positions of Sarah Palin 122 times, the Sarah Palin article 62 times, the "Public Image of Sarah Palin" article 58 times, the SP "Talk" article 139 times, the "Political Positions of S.P. Talk article 102 times, the S.P. "Public Image" Talk article 39 times, the "Parodies of Sarah Palin" Talk article 31 times, and the "Resignation of Sarah Palin" article 9 times for a total of 600 edits about her. I'd written earlier, Wikipedia is not a fan club. Rather than ostensible "recentism," "VECO"/Bill Allen's contributions to Sarah were first noted in 2002 by the Anchorage Daily News after being reported to the Alaska Political Offices Commission. They constituted 20% of all her contributions for that race. Allen, the richest man in the state, was indicted for bribery and laundering campaign contributions. He turned state's evidence, and with his executive VP, Richard Smith, testified against many other recipients of his corporate largesse, including five state legislators who went to jail, plus an aging, infirm, ex-legislator to house arrest. U.S. Senator Ted Stevens was convicted of seven felonies in a D.C. trial, eight days before losing his reelection after almost 40 years in office. (Sidney Powell wrote a book, "Licensed to Lie," proclaiming Ted's "innocence.") U.S. Rep. Don Young, expecting his own indictment, spent over $1 million in campaign funds preparing for the criminal case though Eric Holder didn't indict him. Bill Allen died this year, but spent three years in the federal pen, along with his Executive V.P. Sarah's family is important: Her kids, save for her youngest, have had regular run ins with the law, even Willow, involved as a juvenile in a destructive invasion of a vacationing elderly couple's home. Track was probably saved from doing prison time the first time he was arrested, thanks to the family position and him being a veteran. His Lake Lucille home invasion was very violent, violating probation and possibly a restraining order. I think the police had to pull Track off the roof. All of that was well covered by "The Frontiersman." Tony Hopfinger who wrote the 2008 piece about VECO dough, was a long time reporter, not a guest or staff columnist, for the Anchorage Daily News and its successor, the Alaska Dispatch News. Six years later, that story had staying power; it hardly was "recentism," but was reportage, not an opinion piece. Let me suggest Sarah's relationship with Bill Allen and his contributions remain. Erasures should be first discussed in the article's Talk page. Activist (talk) 12:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]