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In any case, to avoid a narrow POV or an imbalanced article, the Resignation section should include, at least, briefly both public statements of others (with knowledge) not in her camp; and secondly internal statements are reported by those with access. I don't have at my fingertips nor am I motivated enough to look up the former, but as for the latter, here it is. The mention should be shorter for this article (and longer in the article specifically on Palin's regisnation) but should mention to balance POV, in the Resignation section here, e.g., wording like "According to a high level aid who received internal emails, in one such email Palin stated that ' I didn't resign bc of the 'tough political hits' as he reports! I did it bc Alaska is getting screwed'[ref link]" or something along those lines [[User:Harel|Harel]] ([[User talk:Harel|talk]]) 23:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC) |
In any case, to avoid a narrow POV or an imbalanced article, the Resignation section should include, at least, briefly both public statements of others (with knowledge) not in her camp; and secondly internal statements are reported by those with access. I don't have at my fingertips nor am I motivated enough to look up the former, but as for the latter, here it is. The mention should be shorter for this article (and longer in the article specifically on Palin's regisnation) but should mention to balance POV, in the Resignation section here, e.g., wording like "According to a high level aid who received internal emails, in one such email Palin stated that ' I didn't resign bc of the 'tough political hits' as he reports! I did it bc Alaska is getting screwed'[ref link]" or something along those lines [[User:Harel|Harel]] ([[User talk:Harel|talk]]) 23:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:Im not so sure I would consider ''Blind Allegiance to Sarah Palin'' to be a reliable source. Ive not read it, but based on a quick look id say it has all the markings of a political hit piece and no indication of fact checking or peer review. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 14:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC) |
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Media invokes Trigg Palin into likeability of Palin
I, as many, feel that children are off limits in campaigns. However, I see this reintroduction of Sarah Palin's Down Syndrome child as a relaunch of the social issue into the 2012 presidential election. This is essentially the dog whistle for Rick Santorum to ignite the issue. I would like to propose an article section for Palin, taking this idea from a hunch, or opinion, to a NPOV; The bias of my interest, and expression of, in this topic is being held in check. I would like input on this as I await the anticipated more reputable coverage of the issue than the Fox News August 12, 2012 interview with Palin. Further more, an accurate or appropriate description of the difficulties of families with Down's children has not done justice. Arguably this expression on her son was personal; but, with the presentation on a political site it is now justifiably, political.
An interview segment; ....I believe that Paul Ryan will certainly be scrutinized. He will be vetted but there is a lot of us who will have his back and we will call out the media for their lies, for their distortions as they try to thrash his reputation and his record," Sarah Palin said on FOX News on Sunday...
The concluding of brash statements with a likeability plug is a classic tool developed by media social scientist and the message should be taken in its entirety.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/12/palin_on_media_scrutinizing_paul_ryan_a_lot_of_us_will_have_his_back.html Wikipietime (talk) 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
- Im not sure what you would like to change about this article, but, the likeability of Palin, Trigg, Rick Santorum and the like is all clearly WP:OR. Please remember, WP:FORUM. Bonewah (talk) 22:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Game Change
I scoured all the Sarah Palin articles and it appears Game Change, which won a bevy of awards as a breakdown of the McCain/Palin campaign based upon the book, bears no mention anywhere in the collected Sarah Palin articles. Have any attempts been made to include this information? My history checks didn't see anything, if not then it should most appropriately be included in the Public Image article, I think. Revrant (talk) 06:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- From my recollection, this topic came up when the Game Change book was initially published. The main issue was that the book had a lot of sensational claims (which were later apparently included in the film). The claims about Palin were anonymously sourced, and were specifically denied on the record by a lot of people, including McCain, a bunch of campaign advisors, and Palin herself. The consensus was that we couldn't include this info per the BLP policy. A similiar discussion was had here when the Joe McGinnis book was published. Policy generally was to include the info in the articles about the books/films themselves without placing them in the BLP. Kelly hi! 15:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think politicians denying things amounts to a credible source nor a reason to eject information pertaining to them from their articles, and going by that metric there's a lot of fluff that shouldn't be in her articles and especially in her Public Image article. Revrant (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Track Palin and Britta File for Divorce
We should note that Track Palin and his wife Britta have filed for a divorce, though they have a 16-month child at the time of that filing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MaynardClark (talk • contribs) 0422, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Why? Bonewah (talk) 07:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. Neither of them are public figures. Kelly hi! 09:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. HiLo48 (talk) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, Carrie Fisher's divorce in the article on Debbie Reynolds, and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in Al Gore. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to Sarah Palin, the subject of the article. (I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic.) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. Horologium (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- I made no comment at all on the motivations of other editors. I did comment on the self-chosen image of politicians (about most of whom I'm cynical), and if you can fault my observation, please do so, but it has nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I didn't report on the divorce. The media did. I attempted to explain why. Oh, and I make equally cynical observations about almost all politicians. HiLo48 (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, Carrie Fisher's divorce in the article on Debbie Reynolds, and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in Al Gore. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to Sarah Palin, the subject of the article. (I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic.) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. Horologium (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. HiLo48 (talk) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. Neither of them are public figures. Kelly hi! 09:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- If only, indeed. Aside from the fact that this is irrelevant to her bio, I think it's important to remember that her children, (or the children of any politician or celebrity), are still private citizens who deserve to have their privacy respected. I find it sad that news agencies don't follow the standards set by the Society of Professional Journalists, regarding these matters, but I feel that, as an encyclopedia, we should strive for more news-worthy information rather than sinking to tabloid-style reporting. Its the mob-mentality that makes it seem ok to go after someone's family or friends to try and get to them, and that makes it far too easy to forget that the pawns in this game are actual human beings. Zaereth (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Sarah's ex daughter in law
Track is no longer married to her. Can someone change that section of the article to say she was his ex or former wife? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/track-palin-wife-divorcing-article-1.1218884 108.93.72.117 (talk) 23:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- I see this was already covered above. Disregard my message, though I still think the wording is inaccurate now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.93.72.117 (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Raging populist
Somebody has to find some reliable sources and write in the article that Palin is a raging populist. Just take a look at this. It's just unbearable. Nataev (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're driving at. This speech you linked is from 2010. There are two definitions of the noun populist, so I am unclear whether you are accusing her of being a supporter of the rights of the people, or a member of the Populist Party. In either case, it would really be up to you to bring some evidence to this claim. Zaereth (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Chairman to Chairwoman
Hi, new to Wikipedia editing. I see that Sarah was appointed Chairman of the Alaskan Oil and Gas Board, or something like that. Can someone please change this to chairwoman? Thank you.
- I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy says about it, although I'm guessing that WP:ENGVAR applies. "Chairman" is often used for both men and women, although "chairwoman" is also acceptable, as is "chair." (Apparently, "chairperson" nobody likes. You can find more detail at the article Chairman.) I am hesitant to make any changes myself without hearing from others on the matter. Zaereth (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Palin's own stated reason (internally) for resignation
Interesting information I came across, worth including for informing readers alone, though also useful to make the article more balanced in terms of POV guidelines.
While including the public statements of Palin herself and of her own aids and husband, the article does not currently include Palin's own words, internally, as reported by a high level aid, Frank Bailey, whose book excepts verbatim many internal emails (see books.google.com at [1] and search there, or search google generally for the two verbatim quotes "dang him" and "Alaska is getting screwed") The fuller quote is "Dang him..and I didn't resign bc of the 'tough political hits' as he reports! I did it bc Alaska is getting screwed" (page 341). SP's fans will point to the fact that even in internal communication with high level aids she denied that resignation was due to "tough political hits" while others may ask what it says about leadership for a governor to react to their state being 'screwed' by resigning - but highly relevant on both these (and other counts). And yes, of course, the article should state "as reported by her high level aid" this email said such and such. But surprised it's not mentioned at all (came across this information by accident in, yes, brick and mortar library display section).
In any case, to avoid a narrow POV or an imbalanced article, the Resignation section should include, at least, briefly both public statements of others (with knowledge) not in her camp; and secondly internal statements are reported by those with access. I don't have at my fingertips nor am I motivated enough to look up the former, but as for the latter, here it is. The mention should be shorter for this article (and longer in the article specifically on Palin's regisnation) but should mention to balance POV, in the Resignation section here, e.g., wording like "According to a high level aid who received internal emails, in one such email Palin stated that ' I didn't resign bc of the 'tough political hits' as he reports! I did it bc Alaska is getting screwed'[ref link]" or something along those lines Harel (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)