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:::Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
:::Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, [[Carrie Fisher]]'s divorce in the article on [[Debbie Reynolds]], and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in [[Al Gore]]. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to ''Sarah Palin'', the subject of the article. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarah_Palin&diff=432104020&oldid=432084212 I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic].) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="#112233">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
::::Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, [[Carrie Fisher]]'s divorce in the article on [[Debbie Reynolds]], and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in [[Al Gore]]. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to ''Sarah Palin'', the subject of the article. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarah_Palin&diff=432104020&oldid=432084212 I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic].) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="#112233">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::I made no comment at all on the motivations of other editors. I did comment on the self-chosen image of politicians (about most of whom I'm cynical), and if you can fault my observation, please do so, but it has nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I make equally cynical observations about almost all politicians. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 17:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
:::::I made no comment at all on the motivations of other editors. I did comment on the self-chosen image of politicians (about most of whom I'm cynical), and if you can fault my observation, please do so, but it has nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I didn't report on the divorce. The media did. I attempted to explain why. Oh, and I make equally cynical observations about almost all politicians. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 17:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::If only we were all under the public microscope such that all our mistakes and shortfalls were equally over-scrutinized... Either way, it isn't something that is notable enough for this page. [[User:Ckruschke|Ckruschke]] ([[User talk:Ckruschke|talk]]) 18:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke |
::::::If only we were all under the public microscope such that all our mistakes and shortfalls were equally over-scrutinized... Either way, it isn't something that is notable enough for this page. [[User:Ckruschke|Ckruschke]] ([[User talk:Ckruschke|talk]]) 18:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke |
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The link to Bristol Palin's TV show, in which Sarah Palin appears, has been deleted twice from the article. All that was deleted was the link, not a paragraph or anything UNDUE. I do not want to get into an edit war, so I will open this to discussion - should a link to Bristol Palin: Life's a Tripp be in this article? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:16, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Personally, I would have no objection to adding a link --if the information with it provides new insight about the subject. I don't like the idea of linking just for link's sake. As that addition was preiously written, it is about Bristol, and, therefore, belongs in her article. It doesn't give any info about the subject of this article. Even if Sarah Palin appeared on the show, (although that is great to put in the show's article), it seems rather trivial for this article. Of course, that's just my $0.02. Others may feel differently. Zaereth (talk) 01:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- I see no reason not to have the short sentence on Bristol that you are trying to put in. Yes the page is about Sarah, but it is not UNDUE to add a short snippet about what the children doing. Probably need the editor who is reverting your content to weigh in. Ckruschke (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
- It's become evident over the years that in the eyes of at least a few editors (effectively, an ad hoc WP:PALIN), it's all about Sarah. While a decent enough job has been done on the main article WRT undue weight, the same can't be said about any number of other articles which mention her. The attitude of these editors towards that problem has been along the lines of "yeah, whatever, that's someone else's problem, not mine."RadioKAOS (talk) 07:29, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- The article is about Sarah Palin, not her relatives. I'm not sure why we would want to include this one minor reality show when we don't include Bristol's Dancing With The Stars appearance, which was a much bigger deal ratings-wise. We also don't mention Todd Palin's activities as a racing champion or Track Palin's combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Kelly hi! 08:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- If Todd Palin, or Track Palin had their own TV show - that would that be mentionable here as well. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
To RadioKAOS, I'm not sure I understand your point. While it's true that this is the only political article I've ever worked on, that's because politics just doesn't interest me. I used this article as a starting point for entry into Wikipedia. My views on relevance and organization come not from wiki-policy, but from years of training in the field of writing. I hold the view that information should be relevant to the subject in any article I work on, be it alloys, heat treatment, lasers, swordsmithing, gravity, energy, or fighter maneuvering. It's not about what is my problem or someone else's problem, but simply is about good writing. Zaereth (talk) 19:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- If there is only one objection - I will restore the link, with short description as was written. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- While I commend you for authoring the new article on the television series, it's not really necessary to put links to that article in every subject with a remote linkage to it, like Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, and Public image of Sarah Palin. I think the links in Bristol Palin and the "see also" in Not Afraid of Life: My Journey So Far are sufficient, at least until the new reality show can be shown to have some significance or lasting impact. Kelly hi! 04:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- That seems fair for now, though I would argue that since Sarah and Todd appear in the show, it is noteworthy on their pages. Also, since there is only one dissenting voice, I am also open to other opinions as well. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 13:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- While I commend you for authoring the new article on the television series, it's not really necessary to put links to that article in every subject with a remote linkage to it, like Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, and Public image of Sarah Palin. I think the links in Bristol Palin and the "see also" in Not Afraid of Life: My Journey So Far are sufficient, at least until the new reality show can be shown to have some significance or lasting impact. Kelly hi! 04:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Add reference?
- Romney’s Palin Problem: Where’s Her Convention Invite? "Mitt still hasn’t invited Sarah to the GOP’s nomination assembly in Tampa, and the Tea Party is livid. Peter J. Boyer on how the snub could sabotage Romney’s tenuous ties to the grassroots—and why Palin is keeping the week open, just in case." Jul 16, 2012 NewsWeek (pages 36 to 38 in-print), from Talk:Mitt Romney presidential campaign, 2012
99.109.125.100 (talk) 08:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- Why? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
national ticket??????
Jamesthecat (talk) 00:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC) the introduction says that palin is on the "national ticket". i don't know what that means! i would change it to something else myself, but i can't because, well, i don't understand it!
in general, i feel that if i don't understand it, it probably needs to be changed. (i think i'm a bit of an 'everyman'. or an 'everycat'!)
- American usage is that those sharing a party line on a ballot are referred to as being on the same "ticket." Collect (talk) 01:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Media invokes Trigg Palin into likeability of Palin
I, as many, feel that children are off limits in campaigns. However, I see this reintroduction of Sarah Palin's Down Syndrome child as a relaunch of the social issue into the 2012 presidential election. This is essentially the dog whistle for Rick Santorum to ignite the issue. I would like to propose an article section for Palin, taking this idea from a hunch, or opinion, to a NPOV; The bias of my interest, and expression of, in this topic is being held in check. I would like input on this as I await the anticipated more reputable coverage of the issue than the Fox News August 12, 2012 interview with Palin. Further more, an accurate or appropriate description of the difficulties of families with Down's children has not done justice. Arguably this expression on her son was personal; but, with the presentation on a political site it is now justifiably, political.
An interview segment; ....I believe that Paul Ryan will certainly be scrutinized. He will be vetted but there is a lot of us who will have his back and we will call out the media for their lies, for their distortions as they try to thrash his reputation and his record," Sarah Palin said on FOX News on Sunday...
The concluding of brash statements with a likeability plug is a classic tool developed by media social scientist and the message should be taken in its entirety.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/12/palin_on_media_scrutinizing_paul_ryan_a_lot_of_us_will_have_his_back.html Wikipietime (talk) 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
- Im not sure what you would like to change about this article, but, the likeability of Palin, Trigg, Rick Santorum and the like is all clearly WP:OR. Please remember, WP:FORUM. Bonewah (talk) 22:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Game Change
I scoured all the Sarah Palin articles and it appears Game Change, which won a bevy of awards as a breakdown of the McCain/Palin campaign based upon the book, bears no mention anywhere in the collected Sarah Palin articles. Have any attempts been made to include this information? My history checks didn't see anything, if not then it should most appropriately be included in the Public Image article, I think. Revrant (talk) 06:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- From my recollection, this topic came up when the Game Change book was initially published. The main issue was that the book had a lot of sensational claims (which were later apparently included in the film). The claims about Palin were anonymously sourced, and were specifically denied on the record by a lot of people, including McCain, a bunch of campaign advisors, and Palin herself. The consensus was that we couldn't include this info per the BLP policy. A similiar discussion was had here when the Joe McGinnis book was published. Policy generally was to include the info in the articles about the books/films themselves without placing them in the BLP. Kelly hi! 15:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think politicians denying things amounts to a credible source nor a reason to eject information pertaining to them from their articles, and going by that metric there's a lot of fluff that shouldn't be in her articles and especially in her Public Image article. Revrant (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Track Palin and Britta File for Divorce
We should note that Track Palin and his wife Britta have filed for a divorce, though they have a 16-month child at the time of that filing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MaynardClark (talk • contribs) 0422, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Why? Bonewah (talk) 07:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. Neither of them are public figures. Kelly hi! 09:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. HiLo48 (talk) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, Carrie Fisher's divorce in the article on Debbie Reynolds, and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in Al Gore. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to Sarah Palin, the subject of the article. (I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic.) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. Horologium (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- I made no comment at all on the motivations of other editors. I did comment on the self-chosen image of politicians (about most of whom I'm cynical), and if you can fault my observation, please do so, but it has nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I didn't report on the divorce. The media did. I attempted to explain why. Oh, and I make equally cynical observations about almost all politicians. HiLo48 (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, Carrie Fisher's divorce in the article on Debbie Reynolds, and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in Al Gore. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to Sarah Palin, the subject of the article. (I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic.) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. Horologium (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. HiLo48 (talk) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. Neither of them are public figures. Kelly hi! 09:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)